https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/RRRP10E.html
It just stopped working one day. I called in a heating engineer; he took two minutes to
get it working again, and just charged me his minimum call-out fee. He said it must have
just overheated, and that if it happened again I'd need a new unit. That was a couple of
weeks ago, and it's working fine, used probably ten or so times daily ever since.
I then googled around and found out the heater has a "reset button" inside it.
https://tinyurl.com/3rup6y94
(:- (:- (:-
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters have the same.
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
Ed
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters
have the same.
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
if it happened again I'd need a new unit.
Ed,
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters
have the same.
Here in Europe they are mandated. Depending on the apparatus some will
reset by themselves, some need user intervention, and others are
single-use..
Be glad that your heater could be reset, as over-temperature protections triggering normally means that something went quite wrong - especially in
the case of a Water heater (boiler).
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
I'm not sure if you are referring to the "heating engineer" there, but he could have made the situation look way more serious, wasting his time fiddeling around doing nothing, and charged you a lot more money than he did...
Also, he would be taking quite a large gamble thinking you would call him to install a new water heater (and not try to find the cheapest one to do it)
If I wanted to be unscrupulous I would change something in there to get it
to fail in a few months and than charge you for a costly fix, only to have
it fail a few months later - again needing a costly fix - and only after having squeezed you for a number of times "reluctantly" have told you you would need to replace it.
IOW, you have little to go on to distrust the guy.
Also, he would have been a rather stupid unscrupulous plumber to forget that almost everyone can google like you did.
if it happened again I'd need a new unit.
You could worse than to contact him and ask him why.
Regards,
Rudy Wieser
He was recommended by a locally living friend (here in Europe) who told me he'd installed a complete heating system in his house a year ago; and he's
a nice guy.
Ed,
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters
have the same.
Here in Europe they are mandated. Depending on the apparatus some will
reset by themselves, some need user intervention, and others are
single-use..
Be glad that your heater could be reset, as over-temperature protections triggering normally means that something went quite wrong - especially in
the case of a Water heater (boiler).
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
I'm not sure if you are referring to the "heating engineer" there, but he could have made the situation look way more serious, wasting his time fiddeling around doing nothing, and charged you a lot more money than he did...
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/RRRP10E.html
It just stopped working one day. I called in a heating engineer; he took
two minutes to get it working again, and just charged me his minimum
call-out fee. He said it must have just overheated, and that if it
happened again I'd need a new unit. That was a couple of weeks ago, and
it's working fine, used probably ten or so times daily ever since.
I then googled around and found out the heater has a "reset button"
inside it.
https://tinyurl.com/3rup6y94
(:- (:- (:-
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters have
the same.
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
Ed
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to
the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies
to the shower as well.
Ed
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:21 +0100, Ed
Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to
the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies
to the shower as well.
Ed
You must be talking about an at-the-sink water heater, right?
I have a central water heater, and I notice that the water temp varies.
from not too hot for me even when not mixed with cold, to too hot when
not mixed. I don't think it's seasonal and it shoudlnt' be since most
of the water sits in the large tank for hours before it's used. Because
I live alone, unless I take a bath, it's days before much is used.
I don't think it's me, either.
micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:21 +0100, Ed
Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to
the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies
to the shower as well.
Ed
You must be talking about an at-the-sink water heater, right?
I have a central water heater, and I notice that the water temp varies.
from not too hot for me even when not mixed with cold, to too hot when
not mixed. I don't think it's seasonal and it shoudlnt' be since most
of the water sits in the large tank for hours before it's used. Because
I live alone, unless I take a bath, it's days before much is used.
I don't think it's me, either.
Hello Americano. (:-
I've never heard the expression "at-the-sink" used; and I don't think
that's what I have. There's no storage tank involved.
It's the same for my bathroom shower. A heating box, pipe in, pipe out;
and the water goes in from the mains supply.
Ed
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 8 May 2025 14:46:20 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/RRRP10E.htmlI'll see your off-topic and raise you.
It just stopped working one day. I called in a heating engineer; he took
two minutes to get it working again, and just charged me his minimum
call-out fee. He said it must have just overheated, and that if it
happened again I'd need a new unit. That was a couple of weeks ago, and
it's working fine, used probably ten or so times daily ever since.
I then googled around and found out the heater has a "reset button"
inside it.
https://tinyurl.com/3rup6y94
(:- (:- (:-
I have a Philips DVDR with hard drive (and digital TV tuning) that I had
to get when tv in the US went digital. I think that was 15 years ago
and I used it about 5 hours a day either to record or play or both at
the same time almost every day, until it broke almost a year ago. (All
that time the HDD was spinning plus hours it was on but not being used.)
Finally it totally broke.
I bought an identical one on Ebay and when I plugged that in with all
its cables, I unplugged the first one. I opened it up, thought it was
the power supply since nothing lit up. Didn't use a meter but it
"looked" fine. Looked around, found a short little black rubber
cylinder 1 to 2mm in diameter and 3-4mm high. Like it was Wt Paint sign
I coudln't resist pushing it down, and everything came to life.
I still haven't connected it to a tv, but all the buttons that make
changes on the display seem to work.
IOW a reset button like on your WH.
Wish I'd found it before buying the replacmeent. I wonder how many
other electonic devices have them inside. On ngs, Carlos, from Spain,
says he's seen them, or maybe read about them.
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters have
the same.
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
Ed
micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 8 May 2025 14:46:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
<ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/RRRP10E.htmlI'll see your off-topic and raise you.
It just stopped working one day. I called in a heating engineer; he took >>> two minutes to get it working again, and just charged me his minimum
call-out fee. He said it must have just overheated, and that if it
happened again I'd need a new unit. That was a couple of weeks ago, and
it's working fine, used probably ten or so times daily ever since.
I then googled around and found out the heater has a "reset button"
inside it.
https://tinyurl.com/3rup6y94
(:- (:- (:-
I have a Philips DVDR with hard drive (and digital TV tuning) that I had
to get when tv in the US went digital. I think that was 15 years ago
and I used it about 5 hours a day either to record or play or both at
the same time almost every day, until it broke almost a year ago. (All
that time the HDD was spinning plus hours it was on but not being used.)
Finally it totally broke.
I bought an identical one on Ebay and when I plugged that in with all
its cables, I unplugged the first one. I opened it up, thought it was
the power supply since nothing lit up. Didn't use a meter but it
"looked" fine. Looked around, found a short little black rubber
cylinder 1 to 2mm in diameter and 3-4mm high. Like it was Wt Paint sign
I coudln't resist pushing it down, and everything came to life.
I still haven't connected it to a tv, but all the buttons that make
changes on the display seem to work.
IOW a reset button like on your WH.
Wish I'd found it before buying the replacmeent. I wonder how many
other electonic devices have them inside. On ngs, Carlos, from Spain,
says he's seen them, or maybe read about them.
It strikes me as highly likely that most modern types of heaters have
the same.
Observe and learn; and don't get scammed by unscrupulous plumbers!
Ed
I always associate "reset button" with "reboot"; ie there's a microchip >controller involved. I can see how a VCR would have one, but a >comon-or-garden water-heater?
Ed
I always associate "reset button" with "reboot"; ie there's a microchip controller involved. I can see how a VCR would have one, but a comon-or-garden water-heater?
Ed
Hello Americano. (:-
I've never heard the expression "at-the-sink" used;
and I don't think
that's what I have. There's no storage tank involved.
It's the same for my bathroom shower. A heating box, pipe in, pipe out;
and the water goes in from the mains supply.
Ed
Hello Americano. (:-
I've never heard the expression "at-the-sink" used; and I don't think
that's what I have. There's no storage tank involved.
It's the same for my bathroom shower. A heating box, pipe in, pipe out;
and the water goes in from the mains supply.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:21 +0100, Ed
Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to
the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies
to the shower as well.
Ed
You must be talking about an at-the-sink water heater, right?
I have a central water heater, and I notice that the water temp varies.
from not too hot for me even when not mixed with cold, to too hot when
not mixed. I don't think it's seasonal and it shoudlnt' be since most
of the water sits in the large tank for hours before it's used. Because
I live alone, unless I take a bath, it's days before much is used.
I don't think it's me, either.
I'll see your off-topic and raise you.
I have a Philips DVDR with hard drive (and digital TV tuning) that I had
to get when tv in the US went digital. I think that was 15 years ago
and I used it about 5 hours a day either to record or play or both at
the same time almost every day, until it broke almost a year ago. (All
that time the HDD was spinning plus hours it was on but not being used.)
Finally it totally broke.
I bought an identical one on Ebay and when I plugged that in with all
its cables, I unplugged the first one. I opened it up, thought it was
the power supply since nothing lit up. Didn't use a meter but it
"looked" fine. Looked around, found a short little black rubber
cylinder 1 to 2mm in diameter and 3-4mm high. Like it was Wt Paint sign
I coudln't resist pushing it down, and everything came to life.
I still haven't connected it to a tv, but all the buttons that make
changes on the display seem to work.
IOW a reset button like on your WH.
Wish I'd found it before buying the replacmeent. I wonder how many
other electonic devices have them inside. On ngs, Carlos, from Spain,
says he's seen them, or maybe read about them.
On Wed, 5/14/2025 1:41 AM, micky wrote:
I'll see your off-topic and raise you.
I have a Philips DVDR with hard drive (and digital TV tuning) that I had
to get when tv in the US went digital. I think that was 15 years ago
and I used it about 5 hours a day either to record or play or both at
the same time almost every day, until it broke almost a year ago. (All
that time the HDD was spinning plus hours it was on but not being used.)
Finally it totally broke.
I bought an identical one on Ebay and when I plugged that in with all
its cables, I unplugged the first one. I opened it up, thought it was
the power supply since nothing lit up. Didn't use a meter but it
"looked" fine. Looked around, found a short little black rubber
cylinder 1 to 2mm in diameter and 3-4mm high. Like it was Wt Paint sign
I coudln't resist pushing it down, and everything came to life.
I still haven't connected it to a tv, but all the buttons that make
changes on the display seem to work.
IOW a reset button like on your WH.
Wish I'd found it before buying the replacmeent. I wonder how many
other electonic devices have them inside. On ngs, Carlos, from Spain,
says he's seen them, or maybe read about them.
What model of HDD would be in a thing like that ?
If it had SMART, you could pull the drive and cable it
up to the PC and check the SMART power-on-hours and see
just how long it's been spinning.
Spinning does not have to be bad for a drive.
Back in the day, the drives had ball bearings, and
the drive would get "noisy" as a metric for how worn
it was.
The drives today use FDB motors, and those have
been "relatively perfected". Initially, there
were some problems with the seal and oil loss,
but that seems to be fixed. An FDB motor should
be able to run for a very long time.
The second issue is flying height of the heads.
As long as the tolerances aren't too tight,
there should not be any platter surface degradation.
This could be why my "heroic" 500GB drive has
lasted so long. Decent flying height. FDB motor.
Some very recent drives, they have added back
the "jiggler" behavior, to prevent the heads from
staying over one track for any period of time.
They have had to do that in the past, then removed
it, and it's been added back for the biggest drives.
The flying height on the highest capacity drives
is quite low now. While the patents say "3nm",
I assume that's bullshit. The surface finish of the
platter, appears to have a roughness of 2nm or so.
And if the head touches, it does not touch metal,
as there is a polymer coat over the polished disc
which is the first point of contact.
You know, some of the older drives did us a disservice.
I opened up a worn out 250GB drive, and it had NO LANDING RAMP.
The bloody heads were found resting on the platter next
to the hub. Apparently the platters are laser-patterned
near the hub, to cure the stiction problem. I did not
know the idiots were still using stiction designs,
in the 250GB era. I am now concerned that when I
open up one of those 0.8" high Seagate 500GB that
gave me so much trouble, I will find the same practice.
For such drives, it is better for them to keep spinning!
Paul
micky wrote:
  In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:21 +0100, Ed
Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to
the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies
to the shower as well.
Ed
You must be talking about an at-the-sink water heater, right?
I have a central water heater, and I notice that the water temp varies.
from not too hot for me even when not mixed with cold, to too hot when
not mixed.  I don't think it's seasonal and it shoudlnt' be since most
of the water sits in the large tank for hours before it's used. Because
I live alone, unless I take a bath, it's days before much is used.
I don't think it's me, either.
Hello Americano. (:-
I've never heard the expression "at-the-sink" used; and I don't think
that's what I have. There's no storage tank involved.
It's the same for my bathroom shower. A heating box, pipe in, pipe out;
and the water goes in from the mains supply.
Ed
On 14/05/2025 7:10 pm, Ed Cryer wrote:
micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:21 +0100, Ed
Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to
the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies >>>> to the shower as well.
Ed
You must be talking about an at-the-sink water heater, right?
I have a central water heater, and I notice that the water temp varies.
from not too hot for me even when not mixed with cold, to too hot when
not mixed. I don't think it's seasonal and it shoudlnt' be since most
of the water sits in the large tank for hours before it's used. Because >>> I live alone, unless I take a bath, it's days before much is used.
I also live alone. Have done since I left The Army thirty-odd years ago
.... and I doubt I've had a Bath in all that time. Sure, the old house
had a Bath but I only used the Shower which was over the Bath!
This house (lived here eight years or so) has a Spa Bath .... but I've
never bothered!!
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 May 2025 00:39:06 +1000, Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:Umm!! Umm!! Umm! ;-P
On 14/05/2025 7:10 pm, Ed Cryer wrote:
micky wrote:
  In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 12 May 2025 14:56:21 +0100, Ed >>>> Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
BTW, I notice a slight seasonal variation; I've always put it down to >>>>> the varying temperature of water in underground pipes. The same applies >>>>> to the shower as well.
Ed
You must be talking about an at-the-sink water heater, right?
I have a central water heater, and I notice that the water temp varies. >>>> from not too hot for me even when not mixed with cold, to too hot when >>>> not mixed.  I don't think it's seasonal and it shoudlnt' be since most >>>> of the water sits in the large tank for hours before it's used. Because >>>> I live alone, unless I take a bath, it's days before much is used.
I also live alone. Have done since I left The Army thirty-odd years ago
.... and I doubt I've had a Bath in all that time. Sure, the old house
had a Bath but I only used the Shower which was over the Bath!
This house (lived here eight years or so) has a Spa Bath .... but I've
never bothered!!
You should not use a Spa bath or you might end up spaed.
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