How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalableI've sometimes found that different country versions of the website may
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
There are all sorts of those things, and any time I mention a thing
like this, everyone assumes I was in hand to hand combat with
a Gila Monster. These are tiny things, maybe six inches long.
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:27:43 -0400, Paul wrote :
There are all sorts of those things, and any time I mention a thing
like this, everyone assumes I was in hand to hand combat with
a Gila Monster. These are tiny things, maybe six inches long.
I've been "installing" programs since the 60s and what I do works.
You plan ahead, from day 1, for that move to a new computer.
You do that a decade or two in advance of that actual move.
And every day, you stick to your plan.
1. You create three hierarchies (the actual names don't matter).
a. Software hierarchy (e.g., c:\software\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
b. Installer hierarchy (e.g., c:\programs\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
c. Menu hierarchy (e.g., c:\menus\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
2. Every single time you download an installer, you put it into
the appropriate hierarchy, e.g., if you install VLC, the installer goes
into c:\software\editors\video\vlc which is saved forever.
3. There's one more hierarchy and that's "C:\data" which is free form in
that it contains whatever it needs to contain, but one thing it needs
to contain is "program data" which goes in the same structure as before
namely C:\data\programdata\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
Voila! That's it!
When it comes time to migrate to another machine, you copy most of that
over to the new machine, and you re-install your programs & you're done.
It's really that easy. (almost)
On 07/06/2025 20:57, micky wrote:
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte
Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
The easiest way I do is to image the machine using Macrium/Acronis and restore that image to a new computer. Then I update all drivers on the
new machine and if everything works as expected, I activate the machine.
This is my way of doing this and it has worked since the XP days. I am
on Windows 11 now and I migrated using the same technique (incrementally, of course - xp, vista, 7, 8.0/8.1, 10, 11).
Before imaging the old machine, it is best to clean the temp files and
all that crap it might have stored on the machine. Only use Windows DriveCleaner to do this although you can manually delete the craps from
temp folders.
On 07/06/2025 20:57, micky wrote:[]
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
The easiest way I do is to image the machine using Macrium/Acronis and restore that image to a new computer. Then I update all drivers on the
new machine and if everything works as expected, I activate the machine.
This is my way of doing this and it has worked since the XP days. I am
on Windows 11 now and I migrated using the same technique (incrementally, of course - xp, vista, 7, 8.0/8.1, 10, 11).
Before imaging the old machine, it is best to clean the temp files and
all that crap it might have stored on the machine. Only use Windows DriveCleaner to do this although you can manually delete the craps from
temp folders.
Jai Hind
I agree that it's best to plan ahead but the advice is far too late for
the OP.
My strategy is to place everything other than the operating system on a separate drive (or partition). Like all strategies it has it's faults
but after a Windows re-install most programmes still work.
On 2025/6/9 9:10:50, wasbit wrote:registry, AppData, etc.) for it to be viable to think "OS, software, data" as _three_ separate entities.>
[]
I agree that it's best to plan ahead but the advice is far too late for the OP.I agree, except that I keep on my small C: partition not only the operating system, but installed software and its settings; I decided many OSs ago - possibly somewhere between '9x and XP - that too much software gets its hooks too deeply into the OS (
My strategy is to place everything other than the operating system on a separate drive (or partition). Like all strategies it has it's faults but after a Windows re-install most programmes still work.
Granted, a lot of this is for backup against hardware (mainly drive [spinning or SSD] failure) rather than planning ahead for migration, but some of the same applies.I change computer rarely enough that there is usually an "up"grade of OS involved - i.e. when it becomes necessary, it seems daft to, if I'm having to change anyway, not bite the bullet and accept a later OS and at the same time get the benefits of being able to run things I'd been working around not being able to.
I don't think there is _any_ _easy_ way to move installed prog.s - where there's any choice when selecting software for any given purpose, I _tend_ to seek out the most self-contained option, but often either there's little choice (only two or threeprog.s perform the function I'm looking for), or, more often, it's pretty impossible to tell in advance how much the candidates _do_ embed themselves in the OS.
On 2025/6/8 14:27:3, Operation Sindoor wrote:e. g. BIOS, graphics).
On 07/06/2025 20:57, micky wrote:[]
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
The easiest way I do is to image the machine using Macrium/Acronis and
restore that image to a new computer. Then I update all drivers on the
new machine and if everything works as expected, I activate the machine.
This is my way of doing this and it has worked since the XP days. I am
on Windows 11 now and I migrated using the same technique (incrementally, of course - xp, vista, 7, 8.0/8.1, 10, 11).
I too Macrium-image my small C: partition, but surely that's only really against drive failure: you can't restore an image to a later OS - at best you'll get the earlier OS, but if there is new hardware, drivers may not work, possibly catastrophically (
So when you say you migrated "incrementally" through the versions of windows, I presume you did _not_ use your images?>
Before imaging the old machine, it is best to clean the temp files and(As another has said, what is Windows DriveCleaner - is it part of Windows, or what?)
all that crap it might have stored on the machine. Only use Windows
DriveCleaner to do this although you can manually delete the craps from
temp folders.
Jai Hind
I agree that it's best to plan ahead but the advice is far too late for
the OP.
My strategy is to place everything other than the operating system on a separate drive (or partition). Like all strategies it has it's faults
but after a Windows re-install most programmes still work.
On 09/06/2025 02:10, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:27:43 -0400, Paul wrote :
There are all sorts of those things, and any time I mention a thing
like this, everyone assumes I was in hand to hand combat with
a Gila Monster. These are tiny things, maybe six inches long.
I've been "installing" programs since the 60s and what I do works.
You plan ahead, from day 1, for that move to a new computer.
You do that a decade or two in advance of that actual move.
And every day, you stick to your plan.
1. You create three hierarchies (the actual names don't matter).
   a. Software hierarchy (e.g., c:
\software\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
   b. Installer hierarchy (e.g., c:
\programs\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
   c. Menu hierarchy (e.g., c:\menus\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.} >>
2. Every single time you download an installer, you put it into
   the appropriate hierarchy, e.g., if you install VLC, the installer
goes
   into c:\software\editors\video\vlc which is saved forever.
3. There's one more hierarchy and that's "C:\data" which is free form in
   that it contains whatever it needs to contain, but one thing it needs >>    to contain is "program data" which goes in the same structure as
before
   namely C:\data\programdata\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
Voila! That's it!
When it comes time to migrate to another machine, you copy most of that
over to the new machine, and you re-install your programs & you're done.
It's really that easy. (almost)
I agree that it's best to plan ahead but the advice is far too late for
the OP.
My strategy is to place everything other than the operating system on a separate drive (or partition). Like all strategies it has it's faults
but after a Windows re-install most programmes still work.
Huh.
On a Mac, I just answer with a "Yes" when the setup process asks if I want to set up my new system using the Time Machine backup of the last one...
...and everything is just done.
:-)
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte >Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 07 Jun 2025 15:57:59 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte
Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
It was almost surely not AGent, might have been Eudora which only had
one or two letters of "Eudora" in the install file name!
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
Here's an example: Trying to install the Brother software in my new
laptop. Simplest way would be to go to the Brother support page and
download the file, but it's not there. Lots of little software but not
the most important one. https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj625dw_all&os=10068
Look in my download directory, nothing with Brother in the name, but
found BPRSP_3.0.5.exe, 80 megs, started to install it and says it's
published by Brother, but the name of the program means it's not it.
Also BRAAdminLight, but I remember that one and it's not it either.
Go to Everything and look for Brother. I have a whole subdirectory
under Data called Brother, mostly manuals, but 2 exe files, one 140megs.
That sounds right and it was right. I don't remember what it was
originally named but I renamed it with a more meaningful name.
If I hadn't save it where I could find it, Brother wouldn't have given
it to me.
And this is not like drovers that are very often provided by MS.
Someone had suggested the Wayback Machine, so I put the url above in
there, and it found nothing.
Were they trying to force me to buy a new printer? That would be
shameful. It would cost them next to nothing to store 140 MBytes, and download time would be limited to a few people like me getting a new
computer for an 8 or 10-year old printer.
On 2025-06-09 01:10, wasbit wrote:
On 09/06/2025 02:10, Marion wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:27:43 -0400, Paul wrote :
There are all sorts of those things, and any time I mention a thing
like this, everyone assumes I was in hand to hand combat with
a Gila Monster. These are tiny things, maybe six inches long.
I've been "installing" programs since the 60s and what I do works.
You plan ahead, from day 1, for that move to a new computer.
You do that a decade or two in advance of that actual move.
And every day, you stick to your plan.
1. You create three hierarchies (the actual names don't matter).
   a. Software hierarchy (e.g., c:
\software\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
   b. Installer hierarchy (e.g., c:
\programs\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
   c. Menu hierarchy (e.g., c:\menus\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.} >>>
2. Every single time you download an installer, you put it into
   the appropriate hierarchy, e.g., if you install VLC, the
installer goes
   into c:\software\editors\video\vlc which is saved forever.
3. There's one more hierarchy and that's "C:\data" which is free form in >>> Â Â Â that it contains whatever it needs to contain, but one thing it
needs
   to contain is "program data" which goes in the same structure as
before
   namely C:\data\programdata\{archivers,browsers,editors,etc.}
Voila! That's it!
When it comes time to migrate to another machine, you copy most of that
over to the new machine, and you re-install your programs & you're done. >>>
It's really that easy. (almost)
I agree that it's best to plan ahead but the advice is far too late
for the OP.
My strategy is to place everything other than the operating system on
a separate drive (or partition). Like all strategies it has it's
faults but after a Windows re-install most programmes still work.
Huh.
On a Mac, I just answer with a "Yes" when the setup process asks if I
want to set up my new system using the Time Machine backup of the last
one...
...and everything is just done.
:-)
On Tue, 6/10/2025 1:17 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 07 Jun 2025 15:57:59 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte
Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
It was almost surely not AGent, might have been Eudora which only had
one or two letters of "Eudora" in the install file name!
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable >>>from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
Here's an example: Trying to install the Brother software in my new
laptop. Simplest way would be to go to the Brother support page and
download the file, but it's not there. Lots of little software but not
the most important one.
https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj625dw_all&os=10068
Look in my download directory, nothing with Brother in the name, but
found BPRSP_3.0.5.exe, 80 megs, started to install it and says it's
published by Brother, but the name of the program means it's not it.
Also BRAAdminLight, but I remember that one and it's not it either.
Go to Everything and look for Brother. I have a whole subdirectory
under Data called Brother, mostly manuals, but 2 exe files, one 140megs.
That sounds right and it was right. I don't remember what it was
originally named but I renamed it with a more meaningful name.
If I hadn't save it where I could find it, Brother wouldn't have given
it to me.
And this is not like drovers that are very often provided by MS.
Someone had suggested the Wayback Machine, so I put the url above in
there, and it found nothing.
Were they trying to force me to buy a new printer? That would be
shameful. It would cost them next to nothing to store 140 MBytes, and
download time would be limited to a few people like me getting a new
computer for an 8 or 10-year old printer.
https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj625dw_all&os=10068
OK, how about you try
https://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadtop.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfcj625dw_all
I tried the archive, and it had a bad smell, so I had to change approach.
Paul
On Mon, 6/9/2025 6:17 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
prog.s perform the function I'm looking for), or, more often, it's pretty impossible to tell in advance how much the candidates _do_ embed themselves in the OS.I don't think there is _any_ _easy_ way to move installed prog.s - where there's any choice when selecting software for any given purpose, I _tend_ to seek out the most self-contained option, but often either there's little choice (only two or three
On some windows 7 laptops, when you burn the three DVDs for
factory recovery, there is a fourth CD with the driver
set in it. And that's one way to have a backup set of
drivers for your hardware.
I burned that for my laptop a long time ago, and it is
available if putting Windows 7 back on the machine.
For Windows 10, where the Microsoft server is supposed to
host the drivers, they can remove drivers from the server,
so you're actually worst off with W10/W11, and it
would likely be a good idea to cache the (non-existent)
manufacturer drivers. Hey, hold on a second :-/
"Nothing lasts forever"Thanks for reminding me - I must see if the Synaptics (I think) driver
"You don't know what you've got, 'til it's gone"
You could end up installing the RealTek sound driver
that Microsoft doesn't want you to use. (I still have
the RealTek driver on at least one Win10 installation
here, so nyah nyah Microsoft. That gives a control
panel with "Effects" like Concert Hall, a DSP effect.)
Paul
On Mon, 6/9/2025 6:26 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
(e. g. BIOS, graphics).I too Macrium-image my small C: partition, but surely that's only really against drive failure: you can't restore an image to a later OS - at best you'll get the earlier OS, but if there is new hardware, drivers may not work, possibly catastrophically
So when you say you migrated "incrementally" through the versions of windows, I presume you did _not_ use your images?>
Before imaging the old machine, it is best to clean the temp files and(As another has said, what is Windows DriveCleaner - is it part of Windows, or what?)
all that crap it might have stored on the machine. Only use Windows
DriveCleaner to do this although you can manually delete the craps from
temp folders.
Jai Hind
Macrium has a mounter for .mrimg files. If you want the contents
of your Downloads folder from your C: backup, you can have it without
doing a full restore. This is similar to the mounter that other
commercial backup products have as well. You can do "Copy/Paste"
restores then, once the backup is mounted and assigned a letter.
I mount the backed-up C: drive as K: when working. That's
to aid me in recognizing I've got one of those running, if
I forget. Like if I wake up in the morning, and see a K: ,
that tells me what I was doing the day before.
The "Windows 7 Backup" that Microsoft provides, when it makes
VHD files, those are also easily mounted. A bit more interesting,
is when a more recent version makes VHDX, the rules might not
be as clear-cut. I presume they will mount, but it might require
some part of HyperV enabled and then it potentially could be
a Win11Pro only feature.
There is CCLeaner. There is BleachBit (I only get that for the scripts
and the potential to list locations to look in).
Windows has "cleanmgr.exe", which was back-ported to Windows 7, and
it is also tied into whatever passes for space management on Windows.
You just have to be careful, any time a software offers a tick
box to "clear your Downloads folder". This is one of the reasons
I hate automation for deleting things -- the risk of it selecting
something you don't want to happen.
you can't restore an image to a later OS - at
best you'll get the earlier OS,
but if there is new hardware, drivers
may not work, possibly catastrophically (e. g. BIOS, graphics).
So when you say you migrated "incrementally" through the versions of windows, I presume you did _not_ use your images?>
(As another has said, what is Windows DriveCleaner - is it part of Windows, or what?)
Microsoft PC Manager
I don't think there is _any_ _easy_ way to move installed prog.s - where >there's any choice when selecting software for any given purpose, I
_tend_ to seek out the most self-contained option, but often either
there's little choice (only two or three prog.s perform the function I'm >looking for), or, more often, it's pretty impossible to tell in advance
how much the candidates _do_ embed themselves in the OS.
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:27:43 -0400, Paul wrote :
There are all sorts of those things, and any time I mention a thing
like this, everyone assumes I was in hand to hand combat with
a Gila Monster. These are tiny things, maybe six inches long.
I've been "installing" programs since the 60s and what I do works.
You plan ahead, from day 1, for that move to a new computer.
You do that a decade or two in advance of that actual move.
And every day, you stick to your plan.
You do that a decade or two in advance of that actual move.
And every day, you stick to your plan.
I've been doing that, sort of.
I have a directory called "programs" where I keep the downloaded or
whatever installation files of most of the programs I use regularly.
If I get a new computer, U copy those programs over and instal them
from there.
Since Windows 95 you haven't been able3 to copy the installed version
of most Windows programs across to a new computer. They need to be reinstalled to put them in the registry.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 11:17:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>
wrote:
I don't think there is _any_ _easy_ way to move installed prog.s - where
there's any choice when selecting software for any given purpose, I
_tend_ to seek out the most self-contained option, but often either
there's little choice (only two or three prog.s perform the function I'm
looking for), or, more often, it's pretty impossible to tell in advance
how much the candidates _do_ embed themselves in the OS.
There is one that I have used: I backed all my disks to Acronis and
restored them on the new computer - O/S and all. Just about everything
ran, including MS Office 97, installed on drive E: with registry
entries on drive C:.But that won't work if youre using s different
version of the O/s.
Yup. You can't really "move" an already-installed program all that easily; but, of course, many programs are "portable" so those can be moved.
Every time you install (or update) a program, you save the installer where
it belongs (which is the same logical path as your installed programs,
which is also the same logical path as the menus so it's easier to
remember).
The taskbar menu also is the same logical structure:
C:\menu\editors\txt\{gvim,notepad++,sublime,etc.}
Taskbar: Menu > Editors > Txt > {gvim.lnk,notepad.lnk,sublime.lnk,etc.}
Is there any chance they licensed PaperPort from someone but only for
win10 and not win11? I don't think so, but it seems somewhat similar
to this: A couple years after Qualcomm stopped selling Eudora, some
people negotiated with them and they now a) the source code is public
and copyrights are waived, and b) anyone can use the Pro, ad-free
version for free. But there was a special high-speed search that they
only had a license for and could not give away like that, so the final
free version** didn't include the high-speed search. --- Later they
stopped providing downloads of anything, so if you want a copy you have
to get it from someone who has it, on a couple websites. No one
enforces the You-can't-have-the-high-speed-search rule, but my archives
are not so big that I've ever used it.
**Don't confuse this with a "final" version based on Thunderbird which
I've never seen but it looked like Eudora but didn't work the same,
iiuc. No one liked it, iiuc.
--I tried the archive, and it had a bad smell, so I had to change approach.
Paul
On 2025/6/11 5:47:0, Steve Hayes wrote:all that - aren't that strong. Unless this only applies to twilight OSs, like 7 and earlier.)
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 11:17:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk>Yes, if you're moving to _the same OS_, that can work - and according to (I think it was) Paul and others it does, though taking a little while to get drivers for the new hardware. (Rather suggests the antipiracy measures - licencing, activation and
wrote:
I don't think there is _any_ _easy_ way to move installed prog.s - where >>> there's any choice when selecting software for any given purpose, I
_tend_ to seek out the most self-contained option, but often either
there's little choice (only two or three prog.s perform the function I'm >>> looking for), or, more often, it's pretty impossible to tell in advance
how much the candidates _do_ embed themselves in the OS.
There is one that I have used: I backed all my disks to Acronis and
restored them on the new computer - O/S and all. Just about everything
ran, including MS Office 97, installed on drive E: with registry
entries on drive C:.But that won't work if youre using s different
version of the O/s.
I change computers so rarely that I'm rarely moving to the same OS - in fact I'm not sure if I ever have.
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
On 2025/6/10 14:59:36, micky wrote:
[]
Is there any chance they licensed PaperPort from someone but only for
win10 and not win11? I don't think so, but it seems somewhat similar
Another possibility is that they licenced it from a third party, but
only for a limited time - they may be allowed to still provide it with
older versions. I've no idea about PaperPort, but I have come across
things that were supported in older versions but not newer. (For
example, a _long_ time ago - may be decades! - IrfanView withdrew
support for certain graphic file formats.)
to this: A couple years after Qualcomm stopped selling Eudora, some
people negotiated with them and they now a) the source code is public
and copyrights are waived, and b) anyone can use the Pro, ad-free
version for free. But there was a special high-speed search that they
only had a license for and could not give away like that, so the final
free version** didn't include the high-speed search. --- Later they
stopped providing downloads of anything, so if you want a copy you have
to get it from someone who has it, on a couple websites. No one
enforces the You-can't-have-the-high-speed-search rule, but my archives
are not so big that I've ever used it.
Turnpike at one time included a third-party FTP client - the full
version. But not after version X.>
**Don't confuse this with a "final" version based on Thunderbird which
I've never seen but it looked like Eudora but didn't work the same,
iiuc. No one liked it, iiuc.
It _looked_ like Eudora - but, especially for blind users, the imitation
was poor (we never did find how to tab round between panes). Since it
was based on a very early TB - single-digit version number, IIRR - and
never upgraded, it withered on the vine.>
I tried the archive, and it had a bad smell, so I had to change approach. >>>
Paul
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 11 Jun 2025 09:55:26 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On 2025/6/10 14:59:36, micky wrote:
[]
Is there any chance they licensed PaperPort from someone but only for
win10 and not win11? I don't think so, but it seems somewhat similar
Another possibility is that they licenced it from a third party, but
only for a limited time - they may be allowed to still provide it with
Yes, that would account for PaperPort not being listed for win11. But
not for their own software.
it belongs (which is the same logical path as your installed programs,
which is also the same logical path as the menus so it's easier to
remember).
¡K though I don't necessarily agree about the location - certainly not
that it "belongs" there. Marion,
I have a place where I keep downloaded
installers, separate from my data. We all have our own way - whatever
works for you.[]
The taskbar menu also is the same logical structure:
C:\menu\editors\txt\{gvim,notepad++,sublime,etc.}
Taskbar: Menu > Editors > Txt > {gvim.lnk,notepad.lnk,sublime.lnk,etc.}
I too have a taskbar structure similar to my installer structure.
On Mon, 9 Jun 2025 01:10:54 -0000 (UTC), Marion <marion@facts.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2025 16:27:43 -0400, Paul wrote :
There are all sorts of those things, and any time I mention a thing
like this, everyone assumes I was in hand to hand combat with
a Gila Monster. These are tiny things, maybe six inches long.
I've been "installing" programs since the 60s and what I do works.
You plan ahead, from day 1, for that move to a new computer.
You do that a decade or two in advance of that actual move.
And every day, you stick to your plan.
I've been doing that, sort of.
I have a directory called "programs" where I keep the downloaded or
whatever installation files of most of the programs I use regularly.
If I get a new computer, U copy those programs over and instal them
from there.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2025 09:42:14 +0100, J. P. Gilliver wrote :
it belongs (which is the same logical path as your installed programs,
which is also the same logical path as the menus so it's easier to
remember).
… though I don't necessarily agree about the location - certainly not
that it "belongs" there. Marion,
You need to understand who is the Master of the computer in front of you.
The Master is you. You decide "where it belongs". Nobody else decides that.
Well, some programs (e.g., chrome installers) are notoriously difficult to manage, but still, the basic concept is YOU decide where programs belong.
Once you decide that, excepting minor tweaks, for decades, the programs are installed where they belong on all the computers that you may control.
You can literally copy a WinXP menu to Windows 10 & it will work w/o major tweaks simply because you decided decades ago where your programs belong.
I must have a thousand programs, all of which fit into a dozen folders.
I have a place where I keep downloaded
installers, separate from my data. We all have our own way - whatever
works for you.[]
I suspect most people do NOT even "think" about migration/recovery until
too late - and then they cry - and then they use Macrium-like garbage.
So I think the "royal we" doesn't even think about how to set up a PC.
In fact, I've never met a person in my life who did it as well as I do.
I'm sure they exist, but they're not the "royal we" since most people use
the polluted Windows start menu and the even more polluted program files.
In my humblest of opinions, anyone cloning their setup for the purpose of backup or migration, is doing things in just about the worst way possible.
Anyone "cloning" is thinking only at the end of the process.
The thinking should be done at the beginning of the process.
The taskbar menu also is the same logical structure:I too have a taskbar structure similar to my installer structure.
C:\menu\editors\txt\{gvim,notepad++,sublime,etc.}
Taskbar: Menu > Editors > Txt > {gvim.lnk,notepad.lnk,sublime.lnk,etc.} >>
What's beautiful about using your own taskbar pullout menus is that you can literally (and I mean exactly literally) copy the Windows XP start menu folder to Windows 10 and it will work even if you do that ten years later.
Any menu of mine from twenty years ago, if I copy it to my current Windows
10 machine, will still work - because everything goes where it belongs.
Even my mobile device homescreen can be copied from one phone to another.
You just have to determine if you're the Master of the device or not.
If you're the Master of the device, then YOU decide where programs belong.Agreed. (Though it's hard work sometimes.)
How do you handle programs when moving to another computer:
a) start over from scratch, download program and install.
What if download not available now, software is old and company is
out of business or no longer provides it, or newest version
incompatible.
Maybe I have the downloaded software I once useed but its name is
not something that ties it to the program. IIRC the software for Forte Agent, or maybe it was something else, was like that at one time.
b) somehow copy over the installed program from the current computer.
Can that be done?
I'm scared because I recently found out that no drivers were avalable
from Acer for my Acer computer. So now I'm scared even major companies
may not have software when I need it.
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