At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic.

Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

--
John C.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read and far more on-topic.

Take back all the tech corporations from India.
Take at least some of the industry back from China.

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J. P. Gilliver wrote:

John C. wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-
topic.

Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

Is moaning about cross-posting, on topic?

(Just joshing ...)

Actually, you're right. I should have put "(O.T.)" at the start of the
subject line. Sorry about that.

--
John C.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read and far more on-topic.

Take back all the tech corporations from India.
Take at least some of the industry back from China.

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On 06/22/2025 9:04 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

On 2025/6/22 13:46:30, John C. wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-
topic.

Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

Is moaning about cross-posting, on topic?

(Just joshing ...)

As a group becomes less used, the spammers increase thier post. I have
seen this in some of the Geneological groups, so it is not surprising
that as people move to Windows 11, there are less relavant post ie spam,
to this news groups.

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"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic.

Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

You don't mention just how your cross-filter rule works. I have one,
too, that looks for cross-posts to more than 4 newsgroups (i.e., 5, or
more, newsgroups gets a post filtered). Perhaps you are more sensitive,
and have a lower count. Some users won't tolerate more than 3
newsgroups, and some not even 2, or more, newsgroups.

Or, maybe your filter is not counting how many newsgroups to which a
post was submitted, but to which newsgroups. I have several filters
that look for what are, to me, garbage newsgroups, so articles cross-
posted there get filtered out.

So, on just what does your "cross-post" filter decide? Obviously if you
were to count 2, or more, newsgroups as excessively cross-posting then
all posts that also include the Win7 or Win11 newsgroups, despite also
being on on-topic over there on a generic Windows question, or the
poster has multiple Windows versions for the same issue, would get
filtered out by you.

Or, were you here to vent, and really didn't want to discuss whatever conditions or actions your unidentified cross-filter is based?

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 05:46:30 -0700, John C. wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic.

Tnx for letting us know. You should add this to your signature.

--
s|b

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On 25/06/22 06:58 AM, VanguardLH wrote:

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic. >>
Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

You don't mention just how your cross-filter rule works. I have one,
too, that looks for cross-posts to more than 4 newsgroups (i.e., 5, or
more, newsgroups gets a post filtered). Perhaps you are more sensitive,
and have a lower count. Some users won't tolerate more than 3
newsgroups, and some not even 2, or more, newsgroups.

Or, maybe your filter is not counting how many newsgroups to which a
post was submitted, but to which newsgroups. I have several filters
that look for what are, to me, garbage newsgroups, so articles cross-
posted there get filtered out.

So, on just what does your "cross-post" filter decide? Obviously if you
were to count 2, or more, newsgroups as excessively cross-posting then
all posts that also include the Win7 or Win11 newsgroups, despite also
being on on-topic over there on a generic Windows question, or the
poster has multiple Windows versions for the same issue, would get
filtered out by you.

Or, were you here to vent, and really didn't want to discuss whatever conditions or actions your unidentified cross-filter is based?

I use Thunderbird. My filter is:

Filter name: Crossposts (block)
Apply filter when:
Manually Run
Getting New Mail - Filter before Junk Classification V
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains , (very simply, a comma)
Perform these actions:
Delete message
Ignore subthread (this last one doesn't always work)

I only allow messages posted exclusively to the newsgroup I'm viewing.

--
John C.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read and far more on-topic.

Take back all the tech corporations from India.
Take at least some of the industry back from China.

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On 25/06/22 05:46 AM, John C. wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything

Whoops. Meant to say, "literally blocking every crossposted message"

being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic.

Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

--
John C.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read and far more on-topic.

Take back all the tech corporations from India.
Take at least some of the industry back from China.

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On 23/06/2025 8:18 pm, John C. wrote:

On 25/06/22 05:46 AM, John C. wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything

Whoops. Meant to say, "literally blocking every crossposted message"

being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic. >>
Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

I might suggest that if, in your filter, you filter out every post where
the "Newsgroups contains ," as you list in your other post showing the
content of your TB filter, I would expect EVERY crossposted message
WOULD be dumped.
--
Daniel70

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Daniel70,

I might suggest that if, in your filter, you filter out every post where
the "Newsgroups contains ,"

Or, if possible "contains other than". Not all crossposts (like between
Win10 and Win11) are a problem.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 25/06/22 06:58 AM, VanguardLH wrote:

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

At this point, my cross-post filter is literally blocking everything
being posted into this group. And I can easily see -by looking at the
filter log- that almost all the cross-posted stuff is completely off-topic. >>>
Too bad. This used to be a useful newsgroup.

You don't mention just how your cross-filter rule works. I have one,
too, that looks for cross-posts to more than 4 newsgroups (i.e., 5, or
more, newsgroups gets a post filtered). Perhaps you are more sensitive,
and have a lower count. Some users won't tolerate more than 3
newsgroups, and some not even 2, or more, newsgroups.

Or, maybe your filter is not counting how many newsgroups to which a
post was submitted, but to which newsgroups. I have several filters
that look for what are, to me, garbage newsgroups, so articles cross-
posted there get filtered out.

So, on just what does your "cross-post" filter decide? Obviously if you
were to count 2, or more, newsgroups as excessively cross-posting then
all posts that also include the Win7 or Win11 newsgroups, despite also
being on on-topic over there on a generic Windows question, or the
poster has multiple Windows versions for the same issue, would get
filtered out by you.

Or, were you here to vent, and really didn't want to discuss whatever
conditions or actions your unidentified cross-filter is based?

I use Thunderbird. My filter is:

Filter name: Crossposts (block)
Apply filter when:
Manually Run
Getting New Mail - Filter before Junk Classification V
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains , (very simply, a comma)
Perform these actions:
Delete message
Ignore subthread (this last one doesn't always work)

I only allow messages posted exclusively to the newsgroup I'm viewing.

Looking for a single comma means the Newsgroup header has 2, or more, newsgroups specified. As you mention, you want to see articles that
have only one newsgroup specified.

That means someone asking a question that applies to Windows 7, 10, and
11 and cross-posts to those newsgroups won't be seen by you despite
their article is on-topic to each newsgroup.

The ignore subthread sometimes doesn't work, because you *deleted* the
parent article. You broke the chain to recurse the ignore into
subthreads. That's why I don't delete unwanted article. I flag them as ignored, and use a default view of Hide Ignored. The parent article
remains in the local message store on which to base ignoring its
children.

You strike me as one of the extremely sensitive visitors. You won't
tolerate an article posted to more than 1 newsgroup. Alas, the naming
of newsgroups has MANY that are related to each other. Say the poster
wanted to know how to change which columns are displayed in File
Explorer. Well, that applies to many versions of Windows, not just one.
What is someone wanted to ask how to use ADB mode on their phone to
connect it to their desktop PC to use a file manager there instead of on
the phone? The solution requires effort on BOTH platforms.

The more newsgroups to which an article is cross-posted, the less likely
it is on-topic to all of them. But there are many related newsgroups by different names or versions of the OS.

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On 2025/6/24 8:4:5, VanguardLH wrote:

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[]

I only allow messages posted exclusively to the newsgroup I'm viewing.

Looking for a single comma means the Newsgroup header has 2, or more, newsgroups specified. As you mention, you want to see articles that
have only one newsgroup specified.

That means someone asking a question that applies to Windows 7, 10, and
11 and cross-posts to those newsgroups won't be seen by you despite
their article is on-topic to each newsgroup.

The ignore subthread sometimes doesn't work, because you *deleted* the
parent article. You broke the chain to recurse the ignore into
subthreads. That's why I don't delete unwanted article. I flag them as ignored, and use a default view of Hide Ignored. The parent article
remains in the local message store on which to base ignoring its
children.

Presumably he's only seeing child posts if one of the followup posters
has deliberately _removed_ all but one 'group from his followup, as
otherwise his comma-seeking filter would still work (or do strange
precedence rules for filters apply? So far I've only use them to
killfile one person).>

You strike me as one of the extremely sensitive visitors. You won't
tolerate an article posted to more than 1 newsgroup. Alas, the naming

Yes, I thought that. (But each to his own. But if he's only doing it
because looking for a comma is easy ... assuming the filter allows
wildcards, then he could filter on ,*, or ,*,*, or ...)[]

The more newsgroups to which an article is cross-posted, the less likely
it is on-topic to all of them. But there are many related newsgroups by different names or versions of the OS.

Or, indeed, similar considerations in newsgroups that have nothing to do
with OSs.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Never rely on somebody else for your happiness.
- Bette Davis, quoted by Celia Imrie, RT 2014/3/12-18

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In message <103b9ig$16dr7$1@dont-email.me>, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com>
writes
<snip>

I use Thunderbird. My filter is:

Filter name: Crossposts (block)
Apply filter when:
Manually Run
Getting New Mail - Filter before Junk Classification V
Match all of the following
Newsgroups contains , (very simply, a comma)
Perform these actions:
Delete message
Ignore subthread (this last one doesn't always work)

I only allow messages posted exclusively to the newsgroup I'm viewing.

If you really want a quiet life, you could try:

Newsgroups contains .

:)
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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J. P. Gilliver wrote:

John C. wrote:
[]

I use Thunderbird. My filter is:

[]

   Newsgroups contains , (very simply, a comma)

That's what I assumed you did.

Perform these actions:
   Delete message
   Ignore subthread (this last one doesn't always work)

(Clever, though.)>

I only allow messages posted exclusively to the newsgroup I'm viewing.

I fear you're cutting off your nose, though; there _are_ valid reasons
to crosspost, as well as plenty of invalid ones.

Perhaps so, but IMHO the cons outweigh the pros. YMMV though.

For example, say someone wanted to discuss some aspect of updates that
can't be opted out of: that would be valid both for this 'group and the
11 one, but not 7 (and earlier). Blocking such posts might deprive you
of useful information (and others the benefit of your contribution, if
you knew the answer to the question posed).

Certainly, to agree with the subject, of_F_-topic crossposting can be irritating - as _can_ off-topic posting that _isn't_ cross-posted,
though that's sometimes less of a sin as people within a 'group know the
tone of the 'group and the sensibilities of the regulars.

--
John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy,
time-limited, trial or web wares for me please.

I filter out crossposted messages, anything from various trolls and
block dizem.com. If you do the same, this newsgroup will be easier for
you to read.

Take back Microsoft from India.

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On 6/23/25 6:34 AM, R.Wieser wrote:

Daniel70,

I might suggest that if, in your filter, you filter out every post where
the "Newsgroups contains ,"

Or, if possible "contains other than". Not all crossposts (like between Win10 and Win11) are a problem.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Agreed. 10 and w11 are not an issue. I
wonder at times why these two are separate
groups.

My filter targets specific sites that get a
lot of hate and cross posts:
alt.atheism
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
alt.politics.trump
rec.arts.tv
alt.politics.scorched-earth

Pretty much clean out the problem cross posts

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T,

alt.atheism
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
rec.arts.tv

I can't say that I've ever encounterd the above.

My own short-list to hard-ignore a (sub)thread is :

*advocacy*
*politics*
*privacy*
*conspiracy*

I than have a few entries in my "allow as is" list (both this and the above seperate for each newsgroup), and than all others (unrecognised newgroup crosspost) get colored (so I can decide not to look at them now).

Pretty much clean out the problem cross posts

Same here.

Hmmm. I see that I had your entries for newsgroups on the MixMin server
too.

free.spam
alt.fan.*
rec.arts.*
alt.atheism

It looks like ES doesn't suffer from such crosspost. It just may have an
"if in these newsgroups no crossposting is allowed" block/filter set.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

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