I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fine
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
I've written to the vendor, explained everything I did to debug and sent
him copies of their error log.
1) SO WHY DOES HE want to do a remote session? Is there debugging software that can be superimposed on an unmodified program that will
give more information than the log does? That's the only reason I can
think of where a remote session is better than the log****.
2) Precautions:
If I'm watching my monitor, can they be downloading things in background without my seeing?
All of my sensitive information, bank account numbers, userids, and
passwords are either in one email mailbox with an irrelevant name, or
those involving money are in two files password protected by
Libreoffice, and one other email in the outbox. Should I move all
these to external storage and then disconnect that before I allow the session?
Can they read a LibreOffice password**-protected file without the
password?. **Which is only 5 letters long, because it was meant to
stop the average thief who stole my laptop when I travel?
I have a few little bur real reasons to think this guy is not legit,
which I can explain if they are not considered off-topic.
**** Seems to me the log should be enough and they won't learn anything
from watching it run on my computer. If the log is not enough they need
to change the program so it creates more log entries. But If they have
a better debugging program, why not just send it to me and wait until I
send back the log.
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fine
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
I've written to the vendor, explained everything I did to debug and sent
him copies of their error log.
1) SO WHY DOES HE want to do a remote session? Is there debugging software that can be superimposed on an unmodified program that will
give more information than the log does? That's the only reason I can
think of where a remote session is better than the log****.
2) Precautions:
If I'm watching my monitor, can they be downloading things in background without my seeing?
All of my sensitive information, bank account numbers, userids, and
passwords are either in one email mailbox with an irrelevant name, or
those involving money are in two files password protected by
Libreoffice, and one other email in the outbox. Should I move all
these to external storage and then disconnect that before I allow the session?
Can they read a LibreOffice password**-protected file without the
password?. **Which is only 5 letters long, because it was meant to
stop the average thief who stole my laptop when I travel?
I have a few little bur real reasons to think this guy is not legit,
which I can explain if they are not considered off-topic.
**** Seems to me the log should be enough and they won't learn anything
from watching it run on my computer. If the log is not enough they need
to change the program so it creates more log entries. But If they have
a better debugging program, why not just send it to me and wait until I
send back the log.
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fineYou haven't mentioned which remote software the vendor would like to
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
On 7/4/25 10:55 AM, micky wrote:
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fine
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
I've written to the vendor, explained everything I did to debug and sent
him copies of their error log.
1) SO WHY DOES HE want to do a remote session? Is there debugging
software that can be superimposed on an unmodified program that will
give more information than the log does? That's the only reason I can
think of where a remote session is better than the log****.
2) Precautions:
If I'm watching my monitor, can they be downloading things in background
without my seeing?
All of my sensitive information, bank account numbers, userids, and
passwords are either in one email mailbox with an irrelevant name, or
those involving money are in two files password protected by
Libreoffice, and one other email in the outbox. Should I move all
these to external storage and then disconnect that before I allow the
session?
Can they read a LibreOffice password**-protected file without the
password?. **Which is only 5 letters long, because it was meant to
stop the average thief who stole my laptop when I travel?
I have a few little bur real reasons to think this guy is not legit,
which I can explain if they are not considered off-topic.
**** Seems to me the log should be enough and they won't learn anything
from watching it run on my computer. If the log is not enough they need
to change the program so it creates more log entries. But If they have
a better debugging program, why not just send it to me and wait until I
send back the log.
I'm a fan of honesty. Tell him you're paranoid about your PC, nothing against him (not
that he needs to know). Ask what he wants to do and could you do it for him.
micky wrote:
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fineYou haven't mentioned which remote software the vendor would like to
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
use. The inbuilt "Quick Assist" is safe enough IMO, so you could
suggest it ...
1) you have to give permission for him to view your screen
2) you would have to give a separate approval for him to have remote
control of kbd/mouse.
3) It doesn't allow copying on/off of files.
4) If you're logged-in as a non-admin account, it won't allow running
UAC programmes without your approval.
micky wrote:
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fine
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
You haven't mentioned which remote software the vendor would like to
use.
The inbuilt "Quick Assist" is safe enough IMO, so you could
suggest it ...
1) you have to give permission for him to view your screen
2) you would have to give a separate approval for him to have remote
control of kbd/mouse.
3) It doesn't allow copying on/off of files.
4) If you're logged-in as a non-admin account, it won't allow running
UAC programmes without your approval.
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS
users to AI-driven tech support scams
micky wrote:
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS
users to AI-driven tech support scams
They're just saying its up to *you* to decide if you trust the person >offering support via a remote session.
If you just want to demonstrate what's happening, you can do that, if
you're speaking on the phone to them, they can ask you to do stuff, they >can't do stuff without asking you to grant remote control.
Don't leave them in control while you're not watching, they can't do
file transfer, but they could e.g fire up an email client and send >attachments to themselves, or fire up dropbox.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:40:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS
users to AI-driven tech support scams
They're just saying its up to *you* to decide if you trust the person
offering support via a remote session.
If you just want to demonstrate what's happening, you can do that, if
you're speaking on the phone to them, they can ask you to do stuff, they
can't do stuff without asking you to grant remote control.
Don't leave them in control while you're not watching, they can't do
file transfer, but they could e.g fire up an email client and send
attachments to themselves, or fire up dropbox.
Oh, yeah, email attachments. Good point. I think I even have dropbox.
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
On 2025-07-06 04:14, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:40:40 +0100, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS
users to AI-driven tech support scams
They're just saying its up to *you* to decide if you trust the person
offering support via a remote session.
If you just want to demonstrate what's happening, you can do that, if
you're speaking on the phone to them, they can ask you to do stuff, they >>> can't do stuff without asking you to grant remote control.
Don't leave them in control while you're not watching, they can't do
file transfer, but they could e.g fire up an email client and send
attachments to themselves, or fire up dropbox.
Oh, yeah, email attachments. Good point. I think I even have dropbox.
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
Sleep (suspend to RAM) severs any active internet connection, so no.
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:40:40 +0100, Andy Burns ><usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS
users to AI-driven tech support scams
They're just saying its up to *you* to decide if you trust the person >>offering support via a remote session.
If you just want to demonstrate what's happening, you can do that, if >>you're speaking on the phone to them, they can ask you to do stuff, they >>can't do stuff without asking you to grant remote control.
Don't leave them in control while you're not watching, they can't do
file transfer, but they could e.g fire up an email client and send >>attachments to themselves, or fire up dropbox.
Oh, yeah, email attachments. Good point. I think I even have dropbox.
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 6 Jul 2025 15:45:49 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-07-06 04:14, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:40:40 +0100, Andy Burns >>> <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS
users to AI-driven tech support scams
They're just saying its up to *you* to decide if you trust the person
offering support via a remote session.
If you just want to demonstrate what's happening, you can do that, if
you're speaking on the phone to them, they can ask you to do stuff, they >>>> can't do stuff without asking you to grant remote control.
Don't leave them in control while you're not watching, they can't do
file transfer, but they could e.g fire up an email client and send
attachments to themselves, or fire up dropbox.
Oh, yeah, email attachments. Good point. I think I even have dropbox.
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
Sleep (suspend to RAM) severs any active internet connection, so no.
So they can't spy on me but their remote session will be over. I guess
I just won't leave the room (despite my old-man medical problems. I
only have to go every half-hour. Surely this session won't last longer
than that.)
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 05 Jul 2025 22:14:24 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
I figured out how to ask the web about this and google brought up Wake-on-LAN, but I checked and that is disabled by default on my model.
(and probably just about all models, unless a buyer orders it with it enabled. )
A Dell page says:
Wake on LAN
Allows you to enable or disable the feature that powers on the computer
from the Off state when triggered by a LAN signal.
Disabled
LAN Only
LAN with PXE Boot
Default setting: Disabled
So, other than what Carlos just wrote, I shoudl be ok if I sleep t he computer if I have to leave the room.
I figured out how to ask the web about this and google brought up Wake-on-LAN, but I checked and that is disabled by default on my model.
(and probably just about all models, unless a buyer orders it with it enabled. )
On 2025-07-06 22:11, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 05 Jul 2025 22:14:24 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
...
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
I figured out how to ask the web about this and google brought up
Wake-on-LAN, but I checked and that is disabled by default on my model.
(and probably just about all models, unless a buyer orders it with it
enabled. )
A Dell page says:
Wake on LAN
Allows you to enable or disable the feature that powers on the computer
from the Off state when triggered by a LAN signal.
Disabled
LAN Only
LAN with PXE Boot
Default setting: Disabled
So, other than what Carlos just wrote, I shoudl be ok if I sleep t he
computer if I have to leave the room.
Wake On LAN only works in a LAN, as the name says, not over internet.
The router would have to know to what machine to pass on the request.
The router would have to be configured to handle it. Probably only works
on an enterprise LAN distributed over several premises, with some sort
of VPN, and then it would be because IT had set it up it intentionally.
And they would use something else that is sold for this purpose, which I
do not remember the name of. Needs a secondary processor on the main board.
Wake On LAN only works in a LAN, as the name says, not over internet.
So they can't spy on me but their remote session will be over. I guess
I just won't leave the room (despite my old-man medical problems. I
only have to go every half-hour. Surely this session won't last longer
than that.)
micky wrote:
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fine
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
I've written to the vendor, explained everything I did to debug and sent
him copies of their error log.
1) SO WHY DOES HE want to do a remote session? Is there debugging
software that can be superimposed on an unmodified program that will
give more information than the log does? That's the only reason I can
think of where a remote session is better than the log****.
2) Precautions:
If I'm watching my monitor, can they be downloading things in background
without my seeing?
Maybe.
All of my sensitive information, bank account numbers, userids, and
passwords are either in one email mailbox with an irrelevant name, or
those involving money are in two files password protected by
Libreoffice, and one other email in the outbox. Should I move all
these to external storage and then disconnect that before I allow the
session?
Not a good idea to store your personal security needed content in your
email mailbox.
Can they read a LibreOffice password**-protected file without the
password?. **Which is only 5 letters long, because it was meant to
stop the average thief who stole my laptop when I travel?
No
I have a few little bur real reasons to think this guy is not legit,
which I can explain if they are not considered off-topic.
If concerned, uninstall the software and move on.
No software, no need for software vendor to remote in to your device.
**** Seems to me the log should be enough and they won't learn anything
from watching it run on my computer. If the log is not enough they need
to change the program so it creates more log entries. But If they have
a better debugging program, why not just send it to me and wait until I
send back the log.
If asking the above, then sending it to you wouldn't appear to make
sense from their perspective.
Like most of your posts...pertinent information is often left out.
- Something you said you bought (What did you buy)
- Software needed for something you bought (What software does it need)
- How was 'it'(the software) installed in Windows 11
=> was it supported on Win11???
Which era was it released(Win10,
Win8, Win7, WinVista, WinXP, Win95)?? Was it installed in Win10
compatibility mode.
Who knows maybe 'it' needs VS C++ Redistributable 2015-17-19-22 for
Visual Studio.
If so, and since Win11 is x64 only, download it here
<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170>
Look under Architectural Link, for the latest x64 version 14.44.35208.0
The downloaded file name is vc_redist.x64.exe
micky wrote on 7/6/2025 3:13 PM:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 6 Jul 2025 15:45:49 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2025-07-06 04:14, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:40:40 +0100, Andy Burns >>>> <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
micky wrote:
Microsoft warns its Quick Assist app could expose Windows and macOS >>>>>> users to AI-driven tech support scams
They're just saying its up to *you* to decide if you trust the person >>>>> offering support via a remote session.
If you just want to demonstrate what's happening, you can do that, if >>>>> you're speaking on the phone to them, they can ask you to do stuff, they >>>>> can't do stuff without asking you to grant remote control.
Don't leave them in control while you're not watching, they can't do >>>>> file transfer, but they could e.g fire up an email client and send
attachments to themselves, or fire up dropbox.
Oh, yeah, email attachments. Good point. I think I even have dropbox. >>>>
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
Sleep (suspend to RAM) severs any active internet connection, so no.
So they can't spy on me but their remote session will be over. I guess
I just won't leave the room (despite my old-man medical problems. I
only have to go every half-hour. Surely this session won't last longer
than that.)
Why not get yourself a urinal? It's a bottle you can pee in, then you
can empty it later, and maybe rinse it out.
Probably can find them at just about any drug store. Or just use an
empty milk jug or soda bottle.
It only took him 13 minutes to fix it, though then he disappeared for 20
and came back. I sat here without a problem. I guess I'm good for
hours if I'm sitting, but not if I stand up.
micky wrote:
If concerned, uninstall the software and move on.
No software, no need for software vendor to remote in to your device.
Can't do that. This is afaic find out, the only outdoor camera company
that has a PC interface, not just a phone app. And I want a camera (not
for burglars but to watch the deer and birds that sometimes come to my
back yard.)
I just look out the windows...the deer and birds show up every day
spring to fall.
If there is such a thing, I don't have it and they said I need it so
that's probably the problem. But then, why are they wanting to run a
remote session instead of just telling me where I can get a free or low
priced copy, something less than %1200 for a $100 camera.
Get over)move on from) this scenario..you don't and never needed Visual >Studio($1200)
On 2025/7/8 3:47:39, micky wrote:
[]
It only took him 13 minutes to fix it, though then he disappeared for 20
and came back. I sat here without a problem. I guess I'm good for
hours if I'm sitting, but not if I stand up.
So hooray - your problem is fixed! (Do you know what he did?)
And - have to ask - are you _sure_ he was definitely away for that 20 >minutes?
I hope all is well, and people scaremonger about such things
more than the truth warrants, but it might be worth running a deep scan
(or whatever your current AV calls such things) sooner rather than later.
On 2025-07-06 22:11, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sat, 05 Jul 2025 22:14:24 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
...
If I put the computer in sleep, say to make an urgent trip to the
bathroom, can they take it out of sleep?
I figured out how to ask the web about this and google brought up
Wake-on-LAN, but I checked and that is disabled by default on my model.
(and probably just about all models, unless a buyer orders it with it
enabled. )
A Dell page says:
Wake on LAN
Allows you to enable or disable the feature that powers on the computer
from the Off state when triggered by a LAN signal.
Disabled
LAN Only
LAN with PXE Boot
Default setting: Disabled
So, other than what Carlos just wrote, I shoudl be ok if I sleep t he
computer if I have to leave the room.
Wake On LAN only works in a LAN, as the name says, not over internet.
The router would have to know to what machine to pass on the request.
The router would have to be configured to handle it. Probably only works
on an enterprise LAN distributed over several premises, with some sort
of VPN, and then it would be because IT had set it up it intentionally.
And they would use something else that is sold for this purpose, which I
do not remember the name of. Needs a secondary processor on the main board.
He was using AnyDesk
I compared my download with his using BeyondCompare 5, and they were byte-for-byte the same. He had actually used a different link to get his
from what I used to get mine, but they are the same.
But I just realized I still should compare his previous version with
mine. I can do that a little later today.
BeyondCompare 5 will compare not only files but whole folder trees in
one shot!! And other stuff like pictures (which are probably still just files so I don't know why they have separate choices to click on.) It's
free for 30 days of use. Well at least it was in versions 2 and 3 and I haven't seen otherwise. Not elapsed time, they only count the days you
use it. I'll probably never get past 30. After that it's $100 iirc.
Very fast, very easy, very impressive.
I hope all is well, and people scaremonger about such things
Yes, all one hears is how you shouldn't let someone remote control your computer. My friend who is not a techie insisted the only one she would
let do it is someone really big like Microsoft or Google.
more than the truth warrants, but it might be worth running a deep scan
(or whatever your current AV calls such things) sooner rather than later.
I ran malbytesware scan this morning, but I think it's set at moderately deep. I suppose I should go back and set it to deep.
And of course, I just posted another thread asking what to do since PowerDesk, which I have usaed for 10 years with no such problems,
appears to have hijacked Programs-and-Features and the RecycleBin!!!!!
And who knows what I haven't found yet. I don't think this guy did it intentionally, but I were Lt. Tragg or DA Berger, he'd be my prime(I don't understand that last sentence.)
suspect.
micky wrote:
I bought something that requires software. It installed and ran fineYou haven't mentioned which remote software the vendor would like to
the first time on the no-longer in use win10, but only displays a little
blue circle for 4 to 60 seconds, usually 4, on my new, main, win11
laptop.
use. The inbuilt "Quick Assist" is safe enough IMO, so you could
suggest it ...
1) you have to give permission for him to view your screen
2) you would have to give a separate approval for him to have remote
control of kbd/mouse.
3) It doesn't allow copying on/off of files.
4) If you're logged-in as a non-admin account, it won't allow running
UAC programmes without your approval.
On 2025/7/8 21:36:50, micky wrote:
[]
I compared my download with his using BeyondCompare 5, and they were
byte-for-byte the same. He had actually used a different link to get his
from what I used to get mine, but they are the same.
If it's going to result in byte-for-byte equality, I just use "fc /b".>
But I just realized I still should compare his previous version with
mine. I can do that a little later today.
BeyondCompare 5 will compare not only files but whole folder trees in
one shot!! And other stuff like pictures (which are probably still just
files so I don't know why they have separate choices to click on.) It's
A _good_ picture file comparer will have the ability to compare the
pixels, even if the files are different sizes because e. g. one has more >metadata in it. A _dedicated_ picture file comparer will have the
ability to find duplicates even if they are e. g. rotated by 90 degrees, >and/or in different file formats or even resolutions - and will let you
set a match threshold in per cent. The best one I ever came across is no >longer available; I _think_ it was from runningman software (who also no >longer exist).
Just having a look at BeyondCompare. Hmm, >https://www.scootersoftware.com/home/shot_PixCompare.png suggests it
does have a good picture-comparing ability - it shows two pictures of >(slightly) different sizes being compared, along with a "Tolerance"
slider in per cent. Looks good.
free for 30 days of use. Well at least it was in versions 2 and 3 and I
haven't seen otherwise. Not elapsed time, they only count the days you
use it. I'll probably never get past 30. After that it's $100 iirc.
Very fast, very easy, very impressive.
Seems to be $35 or $70.>
I hope all is well, and people scaremonger about such things
Yes, all one hears is how you shouldn't let someone remote control your
computer. My friend who is not a techie insisted the only one she would
let do it is someone really big like Microsoft or Google.
I'm not sure what your experience tells us! I _think_ your remoter
didn't do anything deliberately malicious, but may have done things with >unexpected results.>
more than the truth warrants, but it might be worth running a deep scanI ran malbytesware scan this morning, but I think it's set at moderately
(or whatever your current AV calls such things) sooner rather than later. >>
deep. I suppose I should go back and set it to deep.
And of course, I just posted another thread asking what to do since
PowerDesk, which I have usaed for 10 years with no such problems,
appears to have hijacked Programs-and-Features and the RecycleBin!!!!!
Does that coincide (date from) your remote session? (Did he do anything >involving PowerDesk?)
And who knows what I haven't found yet. I don't think this guy did it(I don't understand that last sentence.)
intentionally, but I were Lt. Tragg or DA Berger, he'd be my prime
suspect.
My best guess now is that
he did what I couldn't because he closed all the other programs, and I stopped doing that 25 years ago. I certainly didn't do it when I
insstalled the same program in win10, but I don't know exactly what all programs were running.
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 9 Jul 2025 06:32:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:[]
A _good_ picture file comparer will have the ability to compare the
pixels, even if the files are different sizes because e. g. one has more
metadata in it. A _dedicated_ picture file comparer will have the
ability to find duplicates even if they are e. g. rotated by 90 degrees,
and/or in different file formats or even resolutions - and will let you
All this sounds very impressive, much more difficult than a byte-by-byte compare.
set a match threshold in per cent. The best one I ever came across is no
longer available; I _think_ it was from runningman software (who also no
longer exist).
Just having a look at BeyondCompare. Hmm,
https://www.scootersoftware.com/home/shot_PixCompare.png suggests it
does have a good picture-comparing ability - it shows two pictures of
(slightly) different sizes being compared, along with a "Tolerance"
slider in per cent. Looks good.
Great, though I don't know when I'd ever need to compare two pictures.
free for 30 days of use. Well at least it was in versions 2 and 3 and I
haven't seen otherwise. Not elapsed time, they only count the days you >>> use it. I'll probably never get past 30. After that it's $100 iirc.
Very fast, very easy, very impressive.
Seems to be $35 or $70.>
You're right. Must have been confusing it with something else I looked
at recently.
Yes, he was for real and he did install it. My best guess now is thatI too now rarely stop things when running an installer, and can't
he did what I couldn't because he closed all the other programs, and I stopped doing that 25 years ago. I certainly didn't do it when I
insstalled the same program in win10, but I don't know exactly what all programs were running.
I'm going to send him a follow-up and suggest their tech suupport remind people to close their other programs (and that they stop saying get distributables for Visual Studio.)
Today i got another email from them, word for word like one a week or so
ago, "We haven't heard from you for a while.... Can we close your
problem." Automated, but inapplicable and stupid-sounding.
Ah, such cop shows always have a dumb cop who jumps to conclusionsAnd who knows what I haven't found yet. I don't think this guy did it(I don't understand that last sentence.)
intentionally, but I were Lt. Tragg or DA Berger, he'd be my prime
suspect.
On the Perry Mason lawyer TV show from the 50's in the USA, they were
the police detective and the prosecutor. Every episode they'd arrest a
guy or gal who looked guilty as sin, foudn standing over the body with
the gun in his hand, for example. But Perry would try to get them off.
Ah, such cop shows always have a dumb cop who jumps to conclusions
(usually the wrong ones). Along with other stock characters - the world- weary older cop who is right if anyone ever asks him, the dim boss, ...
(I'm actually watching - well, it's on, I'm not paying attention, so
I'll never follow it - one now [Vera]; I watch L&A/SVU a lot, too.)
On 2025/7/10 19:58:10, micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Wed, 9 Jul 2025 06:32:22 +0100, "J. P.[]
Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
A _good_ picture file comparer will have the ability to compare the
pixels, even if the files are different sizes because e. g. one has more >>> metadata in it. A _dedicated_ picture file comparer will have the
ability to find duplicates even if they are e. g. rotated by 90 degrees, >>> and/or in different file formats or even resolutions - and will let you
All this sounds very impressive, much more difficult than a byte-by-byte
compare.
set a match threshold in per cent. The best one I ever came across is no >>> longer available; I _think_ it was from runningman software (who also no >>> longer exist).
Just having a look at BeyondCompare. Hmm,
https://www.scootersoftware.com/home/shot_PixCompare.png suggests it
does have a good picture-comparing ability - it shows two pictures of
(slightly) different sizes being compared, along with a "Tolerance"
slider in per cent. Looks good.
Great, though I don't know when I'd ever need to compare two pictures.
Depends what you do with pictures (images, etc.). Some people copy the
same image into lots of different places - say, pictures of my dog,
pictures of my son, pictures of my house, pictures I took in 1975 -
sometimes at different resolutions (maybe for loading into one of those >digital photo frames, which only have limited resolution, and you can
get more images in if you reduce them to that resolution); or, keep the
raw images that come out of their scanner, but also rotated, corrected, >cropped, or whatever. And, after some years, decide to rationalise their >image collection, but can't remember what they did years ago. And/or,
inherit such a collection from someone else (possibly including some
pictures they might have given the person). Or, if you're into
collecting pictures of a given subject - a >celebrity/singer/actor/weatherperson/whatever, a location, a historical >event, and you sometimes encounter a new source of such pictures, but
want to discard any that duplicate ones you've already got (keeping the >"best" of two nominally-identical ones - "best" might be highest
resolution, or least dirt if they're all scanned from identical prints,
or without say a logo in them). [Many picture-compare utilities have the >facility to scan through a couple of folders, popping up for your
inspection pairs that "match" within the percentage you've selected.]>>
free for 30 days of use. Well at least it was in versions 2 and 3 and I >>>> haven't seen otherwise. Not elapsed time, they only count the days you >>>> use it. I'll probably never get past 30. After that it's $100 iirc.
Very fast, very easy, very impressive.
Seems to be $35 or $70.>
You're right. Must have been confusing it with something else I looked
at recently.
(The $70 was the Pro version. I did find a table of what the differences
were - though it wasn't that easy to find! - but couldn't really
understand them. The £35 is tempting - I particularly liked what looks
like it might be a merge that highlights the differences, in that
screenshot - especially with all the other compares that it does;
however, I don't compare things [including images] _that_ often.)[]
Yes, he was for real and he did install it. My best guess now is that
he did what I couldn't because he closed all the other programs, and I
stopped doing that 25 years ago. I certainly didn't do it when I
insstalled the same program in win10, but I don't know exactly what all
programs were running.
I too now rarely stop things when running an installer, and can't
remember the last time (not) doing so gave me any problem.>
I'm going to send him a follow-up and suggest their tech suupport remind
people to close their other programs (and that they stop saying get
distributables for Visual Studio.)
Or at least be more precise in what (including version) they actually
need, and ideally where to get it/them.>
Today i got another email from them, word for word like one a week or so
ago, "We haven't heard from you for a while.... Can we close your
problem." Automated, but inapplicable and stupid-sounding.
And irritating, and doesn't make you well-disposed towards them (as in, >"right hand doesn't know ...").[]
And who knows what I haven't found yet. I don't think this guy did it >>>> intentionally, but I were Lt. Tragg or DA Berger, he'd be my prime
suspect.
(I don't understand that last sentence.)
On the Perry Mason lawyer TV show from the 50's in the USA, they were
the police detective and the prosecutor. Every episode they'd arrest a
guy or gal who looked guilty as sin, foudn standing over the body with
the gun in his hand, for example. But Perry would try to get them off.
Ah, such cop shows always have a dumb cop who jumps to conclusions
(usually the wrong ones). Along with other stock characters - the
world-weary older cop who is right if anyone ever asks him, the dim
boss, ...(I'm actually watching - well, it's on, I'm not paying
attention, so I'll never follow it - one now [Vera]; I watch L&A/SVU a
lot, too.)
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