Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time
difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions? This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on navagation methods?
Hul
On 2021-11-19, Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time >> difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions?
Yes. If you know the delta between the distances to two known
locations, that places you on a hyperbola whose focii are those two
known points. Plot the hyperbola on your map.
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions?
This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a
description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on
navagation methods?
On 2021-11-19, Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time >> difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions?
Yes. If you know the delta between the distances to two known
locations, that places you on a hyperbola whose focii are those two
known points. Plot the hyperbola on your map.
Repat for the other two pairs of points. Hopefully there's one point where all three
intersect.
This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a
description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on
navagation methods?
https://www.sparknotes.com/math/precalc/conicsections/section4/
You can do it analytically instead of graphically if you want:
https://www.analyzemath.com/HyperbolaProblems/hyperbola_intersection.html https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1920147/intersection-of-two-hyperbolas
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time
difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions? This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on navagation methods?
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from
the time difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known
positions?
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time >difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions?
On 2021-11-19, Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> wrote:
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions?
Yes. If you know the delta between the distances to two known
locations, that places you on a hyperbola whose focii are those two
known points. Plot the hyperbola on your map.
Repat for the other two pairs of points. Hopefully there's one point where all three
intersect.
This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on navagation methods?
https://www.sparknotes.com/math/precalc/conicsections/section4/
You can do it analytically instead of graphically if you want:
https://www.analyzemath.com/HyperbolaProblems/hyperbola_intersection.html https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1920147/intersection-of-two-hyperbolas
On 11/19/2021 1:28 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time
difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions? This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on navagation methods?
You will be dealing with families of "concentric" hyperbolae
(as the equation for a hyperbola involves maintaining a constant
difference between lengths of vectors to foci).
LORAN was renowned for using this -- on a global scale. It has
since been decommissioned in the wild but there's an abundance
of information regarding its use and deployment.
Note, however, that there are many subtleties buried in the
LORAN implementation that make it differ from a theoretical
approach. E.g., there are intentional delays introduced
to make the numbers cleaner.
If you are truly looking to navigate on a *large* scale
(hundreds of miles), then you will have to consider things
like changes in propagation delays over different types
of terrain and the "shape" of that terrain (e.g., the Earth
is an oblate sphere). Again, LORAN has these covered but
you'll have to dig for details.
Similar problems exist "in the small" for position
resolution within a structure! (I use similar technology
to determine where, in an "arena" -- home or office, in
my case -- the user is sited)
[If you look at a preprinted maritime map augmented with
LORAN "lines of constant time difference", you'd see
that they differ from what you would otherwise expect
from a more naive mathematical/geometric treatment]
On 11/19/21 2:28 PM, Hul Tytus wrote:
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from the time
difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known positions? This has apparantly been in use since the second world war but a description of the mathematics involved is hiding. Maybe a text on navagation methods?
Hul
The search term is LORAN. I think the last ones were decommissioned
years ago - replaced by GPS.
Hul Tytus <ht@panix.com> writes:
Anyone know the method for calculating a reciever's position from
the time difference between three rf pulse transmiters of known
positions?
See if this helps:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True-range_multilateration
Don - At this point just the basics are of need, but the various subleties are worth looking at. Thanks.
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