On 7/12/2024 8:07 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2024-07-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
And I really don't see any reason to expect riots in Boston that week or >>> two weeks later.
Recent history on both sides of the political spectrum in the US does not
exactly fill me with confidence in this area.
Given that Massachusetts (and Boston, specifically) are solidly in the Biden camp,
I suspect there won't be a lot of ads airing near the election.
Both sides will be spending their advertising money in the six states where the election
is actually up for grabs.
On 2024-07-12, Robert A. Brooks <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2024 8:07 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2024-07-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
And I really don't see any reason to expect riots in Boston that week or >>>> two weeks later.
Recent history on both sides of the political spectrum in the US does not >>> exactly fill me with confidence in this area.
I really, really, wish I had been wrong about that. :-( :-( :-(
Given that Massachusetts (and Boston, specifically) are solidly in the Biden camp,
I suspect there won't be a lot of ads airing near the election.
Both sides will be spending their advertising money in the six states where the election
is actually up for grabs.
I can only imagine what that US would look like right now if the shooter
had not missed. :-(
You have the US mainstream media not informing the population about
Mr Biden's decline and acting more like the political wing of the
Democratic party.
You have the media saying the shooter was registered as Republican (which
I understand doesn't really mean much when tactical voting is involved)
while not mentioning that he apparently contributed to far-left causes,
so it is _very_ unclear what his politics really are.
You have a part of the population which is becoming more extreme on the right, egged on by certain narrow-minded interests.
And while the right-wing is correctly called out for certain things, you
have an underlying current of hate flowing through the so-called "nice" Democrats:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-assassination-bennie-thompson-aide-b2579916.html
Her employer also wanted to cut off all Secret Service protection for
Mr Trump. Charming. :-(
Mind you, you now have a Secret Service which appears to have gone from
being highly disciplined and effective to being absolutely bloody useless.
What on earth is happening to the US ?
The above is spoken by someone who is an old-school liberal BTW (although
my old-school values seem to be seriously out of fashion these days...)
and is disturbed by what very nearly just happened.
Simon.
They didn't need to worry about the Democratic Primary as it was a
typical communist election with only one candidate.
You have the media saying the shooter was registered as Republican (which
I understand doesn't really mean much when tactical voting is involved)
while not mentioning that he apparently contributed to far-left causes,
so it is _very_ unclear what his politics really are.
On 2024-07-12, Robert A. Brooks <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> wrote:
On 7/12/2024 8:07 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2024-07-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
And I really don't see any reason to expect riots in Boston that week or >>>> two weeks later.
Recent history on both sides of the political spectrum in the US does not >>> exactly fill me with confidence in this area.
I really, really, wish I had been wrong about that. :-( :-( :-(
Given that Massachusetts (and Boston, specifically) are solidly in the Biden camp,
I suspect there won't be a lot of ads airing near the election.
Both sides will be spending their advertising money in the six states where the election
is actually up for grabs.
I can only imagine what that US would look like right now if the shooter
had not missed. :-(
You have the US mainstream media not informing the population about
Mr Biden's decline and acting more like the political wing of the
Democratic party.
You have the media saying the shooter was registered as Republican (which
I understand doesn't really mean much when tactical voting is involved)
while not mentioning that he apparently contributed to far-left causes,
so it is _very_ unclear what his politics really are.
Mind you, you now have a Secret Service which appears to have gone from
being highly disciplined and effective to being absolutely bloody useless.
What on earth is happening to the US ?
Plus 2 high-profile candidates killed: Kennedy in 1968 and Wallace
in 1972.
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:
Plus 2 high-profile candidates killed: Kennedy in 1968 and Wallace
in 1972.
George Wallace was not killed in the assassination attempt, but
paralyzed from the waist down. He died in 1998.
4 out of 46 presidents has been killed.
On 7/15/2024 8:52 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
What on earth is happening to the US ?
See above. Maybe bring back Bill Clinton ???
=?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
4 out of 46 presidents has been killed.
Taft was kind of an outlier. He was shot by an anarchist, but he was
mostly killed by bad doctors.
They did mention that he donated Democratic.
This has now been debunked: someone else of the same name, living in
the same county, was the donor. The investigation is apparently
puzzled about the shooter's motive.
On 7/15/2024 8:52 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
You have the US mainstream media not informing the population about
Mr Biden's decline and acting more like the political wing of the
Democratic party.
Why does everyone harp on this? In one week I'll be 78 years old. I don't work
as quick, or long, as in the past. Sometimes I have a bit of trouble articulating things. But in my head I know what I'm thinking, and perhaps with
experience am better at thinking than in the past. Perhaps a bit lazier also.
Now, I have no idea about Biden's capabilities. But neither does all the press
and such. Just makes for a good story on slow news days.
Example: Some years ago is was seeing my allergist. Very good in his field. But then 90 years old. He had some trouble articulating, but I could tell he knew what he was trying to say.
Speech may be one of the hardest things we can do. I does not always indicate
our thought processes are not working so well.
You have a part of the population which is becoming more extreme on the
right, egged on by certain narrow-minded interests.
I'll tell you what the real problem is. The far left trying to push agendas on
the country that a large part of the population is just not too keen about. And so you get pushback. That's what elected Trump in 2016. The Democrats still haven't learned, and so Trump still has support. It is the extreme left
that is causing much of the extreme right.
And while the right-wing is correctly called out for certain things, you
have an underlying current of hate flowing through the so-called "nice"
Democrats:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-assassination-bennie-thompson-aide-b2579916.html
Her employer also wanted to cut off all Secret Service protection for
Mr Trump. Charming. :-(
Mind you, you now have a Secret Service which appears to have gone from
being highly disciplined and effective to being absolutely bloody useless.
I don't see that. It is impossible to be 100% all the time.
What on earth is happening to the US ?
See above. Maybe bring back Bill Clinton ???
On 7/15/2024 8:52 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
I can only imagine what that US would look like right now if the shooter
had not missed. :-(
Probably not that different from how it actually look like right now.
Based on history then no immediate disaster.
You have the US mainstream media not informing the population about
Mr Biden's decline and acting more like the political wing of the
Democratic party.
You have the media saying the shooter was registered as Republican (which
I understand doesn't really mean much when tactical voting is involved)
while not mentioning that he apparently contributed to far-left causes,
so it is _very_ unclear what his politics really are.
You must be living in a parallel universe.
All media both right leaning and left leaning has focused a lot
on Biden's poor performance in the debate.
Mind you, you now have a Secret Service which appears to have gone from
being highly disciplined and effective to being absolutely bloody useless. >>
What on earth is happening to the US ?
Most agree that Secret Service did not do a good job.
A shooter less than 150 meter from Trump on a white roof should
be as difficult to spot as a pink elephant in a dining room.
It will be investigated.
On 7/15/2024 9:44 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
=?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
4 out of 46 presidents has been killed.
Taft was kind of an outlier. He was shot by an anarchist, but he was
mostly killed by bad doctors.
McKinley?
The ony explanation and most likely is that he sacrificed himself to
boost votes for Trump in November.
Biden will have to do something extraordinary next to knock Trump off
the table.
On 2024-07-15, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
See above. Maybe bring back Bill Clinton ???
Well, he was the last person to deal with your country's finances in
a responsible way...
You have the US mainstream media not informing the population about
Mr Biden's decline and acting more like the political wing of the
Democratic party.
On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 09:17 +0100, John Dallman wrote:
This has now been debunked: someone else of the same name, living
in the same county, was the donor. The investigation is apparently
puzzled about the shooter's motive.
The ony explanation and most likely is that he sacrificed himself to
boost votes for Trump in November.
Trying to hit a person giving a speech, and thus moving a bit, in the ear >without doing significant harm is the act of a fool with a greatly >exaggerated idea of his own marksmanship. He was much more likely to kill
the target than get the result that eventuated.
I'm really not convinced by the self-sacrifice idea.
On 7/16/2024 2:37 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2024-07-15, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
See above. Maybe bring back Bill Clinton ???
Well, he was the last person to deal with your country's finances in
a responsible way...
Well, that's definitely not true, or perhaps at best, damning with faint praise.
You can lay the financial world meltdown in 2008 directly at Clinton's feet.
He removed several regulation checks on the banking world that had they been in place,
would not have allowed the mortgage mess and overleveraging of investment banks.
He was a bit of a breath of fresh air after 12 years of Reagan/Bush, but he was perhaps
only slightly left of center.
If the US deficit continues to increase at its current rate, you will
not have a viable country in 20 years (maybe even 10 years).
I notice once again nobody is talking about this (ie: hiding the truth
from the US public), and by the time the US public realise the horrific implications of this deficit, it is going to be too late to fix it.
Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
Biden will have to do something extraordinary next to knock Trump off
the table.
Sadly that is pretty much true.
--scott
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> spake the secret code
<v73635$mjmr$2@dont-email.me> thusly:
You have the US mainstream media not informing the population about
Mr Biden's decline and acting more like the political wing of the >>Democratic party.
It's been that way for a long, long time. It's only now so amazingly
blatant that it's impossible to hide anymore.
In article <0deacdee3af55f25007e4493e3d24d54e6b7a13f.camel@munted.eu>, alex.buell@munted.eu (Single Stage to Orbit) wrote:
On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 09:17 +0100, John Dallman wrote:
This has now been debunked: someone else of the same name, living
in the same county, was the donor. The investigation is apparently
puzzled about the shooter's motive.
The ony explanation and most likely is that he sacrificed himself to
boost votes for Trump in November.
Trying to hit a person giving a speech, and thus moving a bit, in the ear without doing significant harm is the act of a fool with a greatly exaggerated idea of his own marksmanship. He was much more likely to kill
the target than get the result that eventuated.
I'm really not convinced by the self-sacrifice idea.
On 7/17/2024 3:34 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
If the US deficit continues to increase at its current rate, you will
not have a viable country in 20 years (maybe even 10 years).
I notice once again nobody is talking about this (ie: hiding the truth
from the US public), and by the time the US public realise the horrific
implications of this deficit, it is going to be too late to fix it.
I do not know where you are getting your information, but the knowledge of the deficit
is not a surprise, nor is it being buried in the media.
On 2024-07-16, John Dallman <jgd@cix.co.uk> wrote:
In article <0deacdee3af55f25007e4493e3d24d54e6b7a13f.camel@munted.eu>,
alex.buell@munted.eu (Single Stage to Orbit) wrote:
On Tue, 2024-07-16 at 09:17 +0100, John Dallman wrote:
This has now been debunked: someone else of the same name, living
in the same county, was the donor. The investigation is apparently
puzzled about the shooter's motive.
The ony explanation and most likely is that he sacrificed himself to
boost votes for Trump in November.
Trying to hit a person giving a speech, and thus moving a bit, in the ear
without doing significant harm is the act of a fool with a greatly
exaggerated idea of his own marksmanship. He was much more likely to kill
the target than get the result that eventuated.
I'm really not convinced by the self-sacrifice idea.
I guess Alex was been a bit too subtle. :-)
As a Brit, I interpreted his statement as not exactly been serious. :-)
On a more serious note, remember that if Mr Trump had not turned his
head at the exact moment he did, he would now be dead (and the US would
now be in the middle of a civil war).
As an American who despises Trump and all he stands for, but who
also abhores political violence, it's hard to see how the
attempt did anything other than benefit the former president's
election bid. Had it been successful, it would have just turned
Trump into a martyr and mythologized his ideology. As it
failed, it just seems to have generated sympathy for him.
On 7/17/2024 6:09 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
 Â
As an American who despises Trump and all he stands for, but whoÂ
also abhores political violence, it's hard to see how the
attempt did anything other than benefit the former president's
election bid. Had it been successful, it would have just turned
Trump into a martyr and mythologized his ideology. As it
failed, it just seems to have generated sympathy for him.
+1
On 7/17/2024 6:09 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
As an American who despises Trump and all he stands for, but who also
abhores political violence, it's hard to see how the attempt did
anything other than benefit the former president's election bid. Had
it been successful, it would have just turned Trump into a martyr and
mythologized his ideology. As it failed, it just seems to have
generated sympathy for him.
+1
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) spake the secret code ><v79fel$6a7$1@reader1.panix.com> thusly:
As an American who despises Trump and all he stands for, but who
also abhores political violence, [...]
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >and so-on.
IMO, those people are somewhat culpable for creating an environment
where violence is deemed OK by nutjobs because it makes them feel like
they are the "heroes", although ultimately responsibility for any violence >comes back to the perpretrators.
I'm also assuming that you condemned tha attempted assassination of >Republican Congressman by a deranged leftist at their baseball practice
a few years ago.
As an American who despises Trump and all he stands for, but who
also abhores political violence, [...]
IMO, those people are somewhat culpable for creating an environment
where violence is deemed OK by nutjobs because it makes them feel
like they are the "heroes", although ultimately responsibility for
any violence comes back to the perpretrators.
You Repugnants started this with threats of violence against
minorities.
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >and so-on.
IMO, those people are somewhat culpable for creating an environment
where violence is deemed OK by nutjobs because it makes them feel like
they are the "heroes", although ultimately responsibility for any violence >comes back to the perpretrators.
I'm also assuming that you condemned tha attempted assassination of >Republican Congressman by a deranged leftist at their baseball practice
a few years ago.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a
British king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >> calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >> and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British
king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >>> calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >>> and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British
king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
[SNIP]
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front of "King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front
of "King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
And you now have a choice between someone who has openly declared he
is going to tear down the system and rule for the benefit of his friends,
or someone who makes Bernie Sanders look right-wing (and I didn't think _that_ was even possible. :-))
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a giggling teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously
by the rest of the world.)
On 2024-07-24, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:[SNIP]
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >>>> calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >>>> and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British >>> king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front of
"King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
And you now have a choice between someone who has openly declared he
is going to tear down the system and rule for the benefit of his friends,
or someone who makes Bernie Sanders look right-wing (and I didn't think _that_ was even possible. :-))
I also strongly disapprove of Mr Trump's choice of VP. That guy sounds utterly clueless about the rest of the world and the realities of the
real world. He sounds like he would utterly burn the rest of the world
for his own benefit if he could get away with it.
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a giggling teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously
by the rest of the world.)
Simon.
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
And you now have a choice between someone who has openly declared he
is going to tear down the system and rule for the benefit of his friends,
or someone who makes Bernie Sanders look right-wing (and I didn't think
_that_ was even possible. :-))
Sanders is pretty middle-of-the-road by the way things are done on your
side of the pond and Harris is well to the right of him.
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a giggling >> teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously
by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
On 7/24/2024 9:22 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a
giggling
teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously >>> by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
Why is it that one cannot say anything about some female without getting
that silly word flung at them?
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a giggling >> teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously
by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
On 7/24/24 10:02 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
On 7/24/2024 9:22 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a
giggling
teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously >>>> by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
Why is it that one cannot say anything about some female without getting
that silly word flung at them?
He didn't "say anything." He specifically belittled her for how she expresses emotion in public, which is about as classic as misogyny gets.
If you don't get that, educate yourself. Here might be a good place to start:
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2024/07/kamala-harris-laugh-trump-sexism/679215/
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >>> calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >>> and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British
king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front of >"King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >>>> calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >>>> and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British >>> king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front of
"King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
Some folks wanted to do that. Jefferson was totally against it.
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
They don't at all, as Mr. Trump discovered to his amazement. It's true
that since the constitution was written, a lot of rights were delegated
to the president by Congress (such as the ability to make war) and across
the board that has been a bad thing. It's not too late to undo some of
them.
--scott
On 7/24/24 10:02 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
On 7/24/2024 9:22 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a giggling
teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously >>>> by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
Why is it that one cannot say anything about some female without getting that
silly word flung at them?
He didn't "say anything." He specifically belittled her for how she expresses emotion in public, which is about as classic as misogyny gets.
If you don't get that, educate yourself. Here might be a good place to start:
On 2024-07-25, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 7/24/24 10:02 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
On 7/24/2024 9:22 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a
giggling
teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously >>>>> by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
Why is it that one cannot say anything about some female without getting >>> that silly word flung at them?
He didn't "say anything." He specifically belittled her for how she
expresses emotion in public, which is about as classic as misogyny gets.
If you don't get that, educate yourself. Here might be a good place to
start:
And that reply is a perfect example of what I meant in my followup.
You have taken a legitimate comment about the personality of a person
wanting to do what is one of the most important jobs in your country
and rewritten it to state that any such criticism is an attack on all
women for being women, instead of discussing the criticism itself.
This seems to be quite common in your country at the moment, although
at least it's not as bad as the Google employees who released an AI image generator that refused to draw white men and were so out of touch with reality they simply couldn't see why anyone would have a problem with that.
I hope the rest of your country does not end up as bad as that.
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2024/07/kamala-harris-laugh-trump-sexism/679215/
That's an interesting piece of gaslighting by them...
As already mentioned, one of the problems with Mr Biden leaving it as
late as he did is that Ms Harris has not been tested in your country's primary election process. It also means that there are candidates
(both male and female) who were unable to have their chance to be tested.
That is not a good thing for your country and I really wish your country
had a viable alternative to Mr Trump.
On 2024-07-24, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a giggling
teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously >>> by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
You are damn bloody right I would (provided it reflected the rest of their personality) and I would probably use the exact same language.
And it's not about the giggling laugh which she uses at the most inappropriate of times, it's about the whole persona of which this
is one part.
There is a certain gravitas expected in someone when they want to become
the leader of a major country and Ms Harris is totally lacking in this.
There are certain Republican female leaders in your country who appear
they would do a better job than Ms Harris, but due to Mr Biden refusing
to stand down when he should have done (ie: _before_ the primary elections) they have not been given the opportunity to show the US people what they
are capable of.
Your country desperately needs a viable alternative to Mr Trump, but
Ms Harris is not it.
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
That comment is deeply offensive and way OTT, but accurately reflects
the current trend in your country to make outrageous allegations about someone to avoid having to deal with the legitimate issues they raise.
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people
who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly >>>> calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy >>>> and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British >>> king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front of
"King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
Some folks wanted to do that. Jefferson was totally against it.
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
They don't at all, as Mr. Trump discovered to his amazement. It's true
that since the constitution was written, a lot of rights were delegated
to the president by Congress (such as the ability to make war) and across
the board that has been a bad thing. It's not too late to undo some of
them.
--scott
On 26/07/2024 00:00, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people >>>>> who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by constantly
calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to democracy
and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a British >>>> king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in front of >>> "King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
Some folks wanted to do that. Jefferson was totally against it.
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
They don't at all, as Mr. Trump discovered to his amazement. It's true
that since the constitution was written, a lot of rights were delegated
to the president by Congress (such as the ability to make war) and across
the board that has been a bad thing. It's not too late to undo some of
them.
--scott
Then we should hope that Kamala gets in
On 7/25/2024 7:14 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
On 26/07/2024 00:00, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 22/07/2024 23:01, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article <v7bce3$3k676$1@news.xmission.com>, Richard <> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how have you been responding to all the people >>>>>> who repeatedly ratched up the hysterical incendiary rherotic by
constantly
calling Trump "Hitler" and constantly claiming he is a threat to
democracy
and so-on.
You see, Americans traditionally have not approved of authoritarian
governments. We did actually start the country in reaction to a
British
king who was becoming increasingly oppressive.
It always amuses me that the USA didn't just stick "Elected" in
front of
"King" and toodleloo along. ;-)
Some folks wanted to do that. Jefferson was totally against it.
It's not like they don't have much the same power...
They don't at all, as Mr. Trump discovered to his amazement. It's true >>> that since the constitution was written, a lot of rights were delegated
to the president by Congress (such as the ability to make war) and
across
the board that has been a bad thing. It's not too late to undo some of >>> them.
--scott
Then we should hope that Kamala gets in
I'd rather hope that Trump doesn''t ...
But the damn Democrats sure aren't doing anything helpful ...
On 2024-07-25, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 7/24/24 10:02 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
On 7/24/2024 9:22 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
On 7/24/24 7:15 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
OTOH, Ms Harris needs to learn gravitas and to stop behaving like a
giggling
teenage schoolgirl if she wants to be elected (and to be taken seriously >>>>> by the rest of the world.)
Would you describe a male politician whose laugh you didn't like as
"like a giggling teenage schoolgirl"?
Please take your ignorance and misogyny elsewhere.
Why is it that one cannot say anything about some female without getting >>> that silly word flung at them?
He didn't "say anything." He specifically belittled her for how she
expresses emotion in public, which is about as classic as misogyny gets.
If you don't get that, educate yourself. Here might be a good place to
start:
And that reply is a perfect example of what I meant in my followup.
You have taken a legitimate comment about the personality of a person
wanting to do what is one of the most important jobs in your country
and rewritten it to state that any such criticism is an attack on all
women for being women, instead of discussing the criticism itself.
Ok, at the risk of upsetting some, I'm going to say that the President actually
is above the law. The President has to be at some times. The President is the
implementation of the will of the people. Sometimes he has to "break the laws".
Or is Obama guilty for having Bin Laden killed? Killing is illegal, isn't it.
The only judge and jury for a President is ultimately the voting public, and
sometimes, congress, but we've seen how that doesn't seem to work, haven't we?
On Thu, 2024-07-25 at 21:57 -0400, Dave Froble wrote:
But the damn Democrats sure aren't doing anything helpful ...
They have done:
Affordable Care Act (which Repugnants hate because they don't profit
from it)
On 7/26/2024 9:57 AM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
On Thu, 2024-07-25 at 21:57 -0400, Dave Froble wrote:
But the damn Democrats sure aren't doing anything helpful ...
They have done:
Affordable Care Act (which Repugnants hate because they don't profit
from it)
Horrible!!!
What is needed is universal health care, without the medical insurance companies telling doctors how to practice medicine.
Perhaps if you hadn't phrased it in terms of her acting, "like a
giggling teenage schoolgirl" others wouldn't have found it an
expression of misogyny. After all, you were the one who phrased
it in terms of her being a woman.
On 2024-07-26, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
Perhaps if you hadn't phrased it in terms of her acting, "like a
giggling teenage schoolgirl" others wouldn't have found it an
expression of misogyny. After all, you were the one who phrased
it in terms of her being a woman.
No, I phrased in terms of her personality. I later said I would apply
the exact same language to a man if he behaved in the same way.
What I want to see in a leader is someone who has the gravitas and mindset/strength to deal with a critical world crisis such as a Taiwan invasion, a pandemic with a higher death rate than the last one, or
another financial collapse. I also want to see them being able to
prepare for this in advance.
Ms Harris does not have the skills or character needed for this ...
On 7/29/24 7:19 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2024-07-26, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
Perhaps if you hadn't phrased it in terms of her acting, "like a
giggling teenage schoolgirl" others wouldn't have found it an
expression of misogyny. After all, you were the one who phrased
it in terms of her being a woman.
No, I phrased in terms of her personality. I later said I would apply
the exact same language to a man if he behaved in the same way.
That really strains credibility.
What I want to see in a leader is someone who has the gravitas and
mindset/strength to deal with a critical world crisis such as a Taiwan
invasion, a pandemic with a higher death rate than the last one, or
another financial collapse. I also want to see them being able to
prepare for this in advance.
Ms Harris does not have the skills or character needed for this ...
Like pretty much any candidate, she has a number of strengths and a
number of weaknesses. You have yet to mention a single one of either
and have provided no basis for any of your claims.
You made the dubious claim that she is to the left of Bernie Sanders,
which is not only false but also not really possible in U.S. politics.
Then you simply repeated the smear about her laughter that is not new
but has been revived and circulated again lately by the Trump campaign
and some of his supporters in the right-wing media. I would consider
her laugh about as relevant as Trump's orange hair, but since you
brought it up, a lot of people actually like Harris's laugh; they feel
it lends warmth, approachability, and humanity to someone with a
reputation as a cold, ruthless prosecutor. And it is not a girlish
giggle but more of a throaty cackle, so you're wrong on the facts, too.
Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
Yorkshire town.
On 30/07/2024 13:39, Simon Clubley wrote:
<snip>
Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
Yorkshire town.
That explains a lot ;)
On 7/30/2024 8:52 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
On 30/07/2024 13:39, Simon Clubley wrote:
<snip>
Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
Yorkshire town.
That explains a lot ;)
That's funny. I was raised (though not born there, it doesn't have a hospital) in a small town called Yorkshire (NY).
On 2024-07-29, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 7/29/24 7:19 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2024-07-26, Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
Perhaps if you hadn't phrased it in terms of her acting, "like a
giggling teenage schoolgirl" others wouldn't have found it an
expression of misogyny. After all, you were the one who phrased
it in terms of her being a woman.
No, I phrased in terms of her personality. I later said I would apply
the exact same language to a man if he behaved in the same way.
That really strains credibility.
Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
Yorkshire town.
What I want to see in a leader is someone who has the gravitas and
mindset/strength to deal with a critical world crisis such as a Taiwan
invasion, a pandemic with a higher death rate than the last one, or
another financial collapse. I also want to see them being able to
prepare for this in advance.
Ms Harris does not have the skills or character needed for this ...
Like pretty much any candidate, she has a number of strengths and a
number of weaknesses. You have yet to mention a single one of either
and have provided no basis for any of your claims.
You made the dubious claim that she is to the left of Bernie Sanders,
which is not only false but also not really possible in U.S. politics.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4793371-kamala-harris-sanders-biden-liberal/
You can ignore the blatant infantile language in the following obviously >right-wing article (which I also did) and focus on the facts it raises:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/28/kamala-harris-had-more-leftist-voting-record-in-se/
(I like to read articles from all sides of the political spectrum, not
just the side I agree with. Sometimes you find out things that the side
which you normally agree with "forgets" to mention.)
Then you simply repeated the smear about her laughter that is not new
but has been revived and circulated again lately by the Trump campaign
and some of his supporters in the right-wing media. I would consider
her laugh about as relevant as Trump's orange hair, but since you
brought it up, a lot of people actually like Harris's laugh; they feel
it lends warmth, approachability, and humanity to someone with a
reputation as a cold, ruthless prosecutor. And it is not a girlish
giggle but more of a throaty cackle, so you're wrong on the facts, too.
It's about the lack of a serious trustworthy personality. The laugh
is about her bursting into nervous giggles at the most inappropriate
of times instead of giving a serious and well thought-out response.
I like my politicans to be serious people who have the gravitas to
run a country.
BTW, just in case it is not obvious by now, I am _not_ a fan of Mr Trump.
Simon.
--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.
On 30/07/2024 16:46, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
On 7/30/2024 8:52 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
On 30/07/2024 13:39, Simon Clubley wrote:
<snip>
Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
Yorkshire town.
That explains a lot ;)
That's funny. I was raised (though not born there, it doesn't have a hospital) in a small town called Yorkshire (NY).
Ah...
But our Yorkshire be somehow different!
On 30/07/2024 13:39, Simon Clubley wrote:
<snip>
Not from where I come from. BTW, I was born and raised in a small
Yorkshire town.
That explains a lot ;)
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