French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing handsets.
"Concerning phones already sold, Apple must in the briefest of delays take corrective measures to bring the affected phones into compliance," said the ANFR in a statement on its website.
"Otherwise, Apple will have to recall them."
In article <uds4ke$23gg9$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing
handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided
shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
In article <uds4ke$23gg9$1@dont-email.me>, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing
handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided
shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what
no matter who.
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12 >> for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing
handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided
shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what
no matter who.
In article <udsisj$3uua$1@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12 >>>> for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing
handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- >>> modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided
shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what
no matter who.
nobody said it wouldn't be enforced. the issue is whether the claim has
merit that warrants a change.
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
Am 13.09.23 um 17:19 schrieb nospam:
In article <udsisj$3uua$1@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12 >>>>> for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing >>>>> handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- >>>> modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided >>>> shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what
no matter who.
nobody said it wouldn't be enforced. the issue is whether the claim has
merit that warrants a change.
Nothing to discuss. The fact finding is over.
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing >>>> handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- >>> modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided >>> shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what
no matter who.
nobody said it wouldn't be enforced. the issue is whether the claim has merit that warrants a change.
Nothing to discuss. The fact finding is over.
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
In article <udsk4o$3s3j$1@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing >>>>>> handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- >>>>> modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided >>>>> shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what >>>> no matter who.
nobody said it wouldn't be enforced. the issue is whether the claim has
merit that warrants a change.
Nothing to discuss. The fact finding is over.
nope, because the facts are in dispute.
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the
certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
except that it's *multiple* regulatory agencies, all of which are
independent from apple.
Apple should be able to push an update that reduces the RF output power
of the Qualcomm x55 modem to bring the phone into compliance.
In article <udsk4o$3s3j$1@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing >>>>>> handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12- >>>>> modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog,
Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided >>>>> shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the
world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what >>>> no matter who.
nobody said it wouldn't be enforced. the issue is whether the claim has
merit that warrants a change.
Nothing to discuss. The fact finding is over.
nope, because the facts are in dispute.
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the
certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
except that it's *multiple* regulatory agencies, all of which are
independent from apple.
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone >>>>>> 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing >>>>>> handsets.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/13/apple-denies-that-iphone-12-
modem-exceeds-french-limits-on-radio-exposure>
Apple has said that it has provided France's radiation watchdog, >>>>> Agence nationale des frequences (ANFR), with documentation from
multiple international regulatory agencies. All of the data provided >>>>> shows that Apple is in compliance with limits, everywhere in the >>>>> world.
Totally irrelevant. French/European law will be enforced no matter what >>>> no matter who.
nobody said it wouldn't be enforced. the issue is whether the claim has >>> merit that warrants a change.
Nothing to discuss. The fact finding is over.
nope, because the facts are in dispute.
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the
certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
except that it's *multiple* regulatory agencies, all of which are independent from apple.
*ROTFLSTC*
The French authorities used multiple institutes
and other authorities
have no say in France and Europe.
irrelevant. the emf is what it is regardless of where the phone is
sold, and if other agencies find different numbers, then further investigation is needed.
in other words, the claim is in dispute.
irrelevant. the emf is what it is regardless of where the phone is
sold, and if other agencies find different numbers, then further investigation is needed.
in other words, the claim is in dispute.
Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
within 2 weeks.
In article <udsnja$3ttp$2@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies.
*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the
certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
except that it's *multiple* regulatory agencies, all of which are
independent from apple.
A paid self-declaration.
where's the evidence that apple paid for *all* of the multiple agencies?
Exactly the same that led to the catastrophe of
the B-737 Max. Not lethal in the case of a smartphone. At least not in
the short term.
not even remotely close to the same.
In article <udsprl$3ttp$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
irrelevant. the emf is what it is regardless of where the phone is
sold, and if other agencies find different numbers, then further
investigation is needed.
in other words, the claim is in dispute.
Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
within 2 weeks.
apple has stated that they are *already* in full compliance, based on
data from *multiple* regulatory agencies.
Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
within 2 weeks.
apple has stated that they are *already* in full compliance, based on
data from *multiple* regulatory agencies.
The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
In article <udspui$3ttp$4@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
apple disputes the numbers, based on *multiple* regulatory agencies. >>>>>>*LOL*. You know how these certifcations are done usually? Like the >>>>>> certifacation of the Boeing 737 Max. *ROTFLSTC*.
except that it's *multiple* regulatory agencies, all of which are
independent from apple.
A paid self-declaration.
where's the evidence that apple paid for *all* of the multiple agencies? >>>
Exactly the same that led to the catastrophe of
the B-737 Max. Not lethal in the case of a smartphone. At least not in >>>> the short term.
not even remotely close to the same.
Your life is too short to assess this. Think about the asbestos-disaster.
wtf does asbestos have to do with anything?
Your life is too short to assess this. Think about the asbestos-disaster.
wtf does asbestos have to do with anything?
and you are avoiding the question, where's the evidence that apple paid
for the tests? even *one*, never mind all of them.
Am 13.09.23 um 19:06 schrieb nospam:
In article <udsprl$3ttp$3@solani.org>, Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net>
wrote:
irrelevant. the emf is what it is regardless of where the phone is
sold, and if other agencies find different numbers, then further
investigation is needed.
in other words, the claim is in dispute.
Apple has a clear order by the French authorities to rectify the issue
within 2 weeks.
apple has stated that they are *already* in full compliance, based on
data from *multiple* regulatory agencies.
The order of European authorities based on law are non-negotiable.
Americans and especially the Fanboys in this group have enormous pain to accept that fact.
Now we have the USB-C-connector for the iPhone 15 despite stiff
resistance in this fanboy-group. *ROTFLSTC*.
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the iPhone 12
for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix existing handsets.
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the
iPhone 12 for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix >existing handsets.
The French agency that regulates radio frequencies, the ANFR, said
testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves
susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted.
The ANFR said it "ordered Apple to remove the iPhone 12 from the
French market from September 12 due to the model exceeding the limit"
for electromagnetic absorption by the body.
It said accredited labs had found absorption of electromagnetic
energy by the body at 5.74 watts per kilogram during tests simulating
when the phone was being held in the hand or kept in a pocket.
The European standard is a specific absorption rate of 4.0 watts per
kilogram in such tests.
"Concerning phones already sold, Apple must in the briefest of delays
take corrective measures to bring the affected phones into
compliance," said the ANFR in a statement on its website.
"Otherwise, Apple will have to recall them."
ANFR noted that tests that measure the electromagnetic radiation
absorbed at a distance of five centimetres was in compliance with the
limit of 2.0 watts per kilogram.
ANFR said its agents would verify beginning Wednesday that iPhone 12
models were no longer being offered for sale in France.
When contacted by AFP, Apple disputed the ANFR's results, saying it
had presented multiple independent analyses showing the devices were
in compliance, but that the company would nonetheless continue to
work with the regulator.
Regulators in a number of countries have limits on the amount of >electromagnetic radiation mobile phones may emit to prevent adverse
health effects.
The World Health Organization states on its website that following a
large number of studies that "no adverse health effects have been
established as being caused by mobile phone use".
https://www.barrons.com/news/france-orders-apple-iphone-12-sales-halted-over-radiation-4733323c
badgolferman wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the
iPhone 12 for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix
existing handsets.
The French agency that regulates radio frequencies, the ANFR, said
testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves
susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted.
The ANFR said it "ordered Apple to remove the iPhone 12 from the
French market from September 12 due to the model exceeding the limit"
for electromagnetic absorption by the body.
It said accredited labs had found absorption of electromagnetic
energy by the body at 5.74 watts per kilogram during tests simulating
when the phone was being held in the hand or kept in a pocket.
The European standard is a specific absorption rate of 4.0 watts per
kilogram in such tests.
"Concerning phones already sold, Apple must in the briefest of delays
take corrective measures to bring the affected phones into
compliance," said the ANFR in a statement on its website.
"Otherwise, Apple will have to recall them."
ANFR noted that tests that measure the electromagnetic radiation
absorbed at a distance of five centimetres was in compliance with the
limit of 2.0 watts per kilogram.
ANFR said its agents would verify beginning Wednesday that iPhone 12
models were no longer being offered for sale in France.
When contacted by AFP, Apple disputed the ANFR's results, saying it
had presented multiple independent analyses showing the devices were
in compliance, but that the company would nonetheless continue to
work with the regulator.
Regulators in a number of countries have limits on the amount of
electromagnetic radiation mobile phones may emit to prevent adverse
health effects.
The World Health Organization states on its website that following a
large number of studies that "no adverse health effects have been
established as being caused by mobile phone use".
https://www.barrons.com/news/france-orders-apple-iphone-12-sales-halted-over-radiation-4733323c
Looks like they were guilty after all....
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/15/23874803/apple-iphone-12-france-radiation-update
“We will issue a software update for users in France to accommodate the protocol used by French regulators,” says Apple in a statement to
Reuters. “We look forward to iPhone 12 continuing to be available in France.”
On 9/15/2023 6:57 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
“We will issue a software update for users in France to accommodate
the protocol used by French regulators,” says Apple in a statement
to Reuters. “We look forward to iPhone 12 continuing to be
available in France.”
Yes, that's what everyone said they would do. The side-effect of
reducing the SAR, by reducing the output power, is that it will also
reduce the signal range. You always set the output power to where the
SAR is just a tad below the legal limit.
A good reason for iPhone 12 owners to upgrade to the 15.
A good reason for iPhone 12 owners to upgrade to the 15.
A whole lot of French people are about to start complaining about weak >cellular connectivity. Wonder who they will blame for that...
On 9/15/2023 6:57 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
“We will issue a software update for users in France to accommodate
the protocol used by French regulators,” says Apple in a statement to
Reuters. “We look forward to iPhone 12 continuing to be available in
France.”
Yes, that's what everyone said they would do. The side-effect of
reducing the SAR, by reducing the output power, is that it will also
reduce the signal range. You always set the output power to where the
SAR is just a tad below the legal limit.
A good reason for iPhone 12 owners to upgrade to the 15.
On 2023-09-15, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
On 9/15/2023 6:57 AM, badgolferman wrote:
<snip>
“We will issue a software update for users in France to accommodate
the protocol used by French regulators,” says Apple in a statement to
Reuters. “We look forward to iPhone 12 continuing to be available in
France.”
Yes, that's what everyone said they would do. The side-effect of
reducing the SAR, by reducing the output power, is that it will also
reduce the signal range. You always set the output power to where the
SAR is just a tad below the legal limit.
A good reason for iPhone 12 owners to upgrade to the 15.
This whole thing is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU - but at a *closer* distance. (Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you
absorb more radiation in France. 🤪)
The relevant standard for EU-wide regulations is EN 50566:2013, which
allows manufacturers to choose the separation with up to 25mm (most
vendors standardized on 15mm because this is the maximum separation
allowed under the FCC standard). The French disagree with this standard because: reasons, and specify the limits at a much closer 0mm and 5mm separation, which obviously increases absorption. However, they did not increase the absorption limits accordingly, again because: reasons.
Moving the emitter closer naturally results in a stronger signal, and
the SAR threshold should be adjusted accordingly - which the french
didn't do, because they're obviously low-key catering to the "phones
cause cancer" wackos for political play.
What this really means is that *most* phones are suddenly out of
compliance with the new French regulations. ANFR themselves say "a large proportion of phones" are out of compliance. Since the EU is more of an advisory body and allows individual countries to set such limits individually, the EU has issued an application restriction which
prohibits their usage in France (presumably until manufacturers patch TX power limits downwards as Apple will most likely do).
A whole lot of French people are about to start complaining about weak cellular connectivity. Wonder who they will blame for that... 🤣
badgolferman wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the
iPhone 12 for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix
existing handsets.
The French agency that regulates radio frequencies, the ANFR, said
testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves
susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted.
The ANFR said it "ordered Apple to remove the iPhone 12 from the
French market from September 12 due to the model exceeding the limit"
for electromagnetic absorption by the body.
It said accredited labs had found absorption of electromagnetic
energy by the body at 5.74 watts per kilogram during tests simulating
when the phone was being held in the hand or kept in a pocket.
The European standard is a specific absorption rate of 4.0 watts per
kilogram in such tests.
"Concerning phones already sold, Apple must in the briefest of delays
take corrective measures to bring the affected phones into
compliance," said the ANFR in a statement on its website.
"Otherwise, Apple will have to recall them."
ANFR noted that tests that measure the electromagnetic radiation
absorbed at a distance of five centimetres was in compliance with the
limit of 2.0 watts per kilogram.
ANFR said its agents would verify beginning Wednesday that iPhone 12
models were no longer being offered for sale in France.
When contacted by AFP, Apple disputed the ANFR's results, saying it
had presented multiple independent analyses showing the devices were
in compliance, but that the company would nonetheless continue to
work with the regulator.
Regulators in a number of countries have limits on the amount of
electromagnetic radiation mobile phones may emit to prevent adverse
health effects.
The World Health Organization states on its website that following a
large number of studies that "no adverse health effects have been
established as being caused by mobile phone use".
https://www.barrons.com/news/france-orders-apple-iphone-12-sales-halted-over-radiation-4733323c
Looks like they were guilty after all....
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/15/23874803/apple-iphone-12-france-radiation-update
Apple says it will release a software update for iPhone 12 owners in
France, after regulators ordered a halt of sales of the phone over
concerns the device was breaching strict radiation exposure limits.
“We will issue a software update for users in France to accommodate the protocol used by French regulators,” says Apple in a statement to
Reuters. “We look forward to iPhone 12 continuing to be available in France.”
A whole lot of French people are about to start complaining about weak >>cellular connectivity. Wonder who they will blame for that...
Don't worry, it's the French. They will give up rather quickly!
badgolferman wrote:
French regulators on Tuesday ordered Apple to halt sales of the
iPhone 12 for emitting too much electromagnetic radiation, and to fix
existing handsets.
The French agency that regulates radio frequencies, the ANFR, said
testing found that the model emits more electromagnetic waves
susceptible to be absorbed by the body than permitted.
The ANFR said it "ordered Apple to remove the iPhone 12 from the
French market from September 12 due to the model exceeding the limit"
for electromagnetic absorption by the body.
It said accredited labs had found absorption of electromagnetic
energy by the body at 5.74 watts per kilogram during tests simulating
when the phone was being held in the hand or kept in a pocket.
The European standard is a specific absorption rate of 4.0 watts per
kilogram in such tests.
"Concerning phones already sold, Apple must in the briefest of delays
take corrective measures to bring the affected phones into
compliance," said the ANFR in a statement on its website.
"Otherwise, Apple will have to recall them."
ANFR noted that tests that measure the electromagnetic radiation
absorbed at a distance of five centimetres was in compliance with the
limit of 2.0 watts per kilogram.
ANFR said its agents would verify beginning Wednesday that iPhone 12
models were no longer being offered for sale in France.
When contacted by AFP, Apple disputed the ANFR's results, saying it
had presented multiple independent analyses showing the devices were
in compliance, but that the company would nonetheless continue to
work with the regulator.
Regulators in a number of countries have limits on the amount of
electromagnetic radiation mobile phones may emit to prevent adverse
health effects.
The World Health Organization states on its website that following a
large number of studies that "no adverse health effects have been
established as being caused by mobile phone use".
https://www.barrons.com/news/france-orders-apple-iphone-12-sales-halted-over-radiation-4733323c
Looks like they were guilty after all....
https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/15/23874803/apple-iphone-12-france-radiation-update
Apple says it will release a software update for iPhone 12 owners in
France, after regulators ordered a halt of sales of the phone over
concerns the device was breaching strict radiation exposure limits.
“We will issue a software update for users in France to accommodate the protocol used by French regulators,” says Apple in a statement to
Reuters. “We look forward to iPhone 12 continuing to be available in France.”
You do simply not understand how consumer protection in the civilised
world works.
On 2023-09-13 13:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
You do simply not understand how consumer protection in the civilised
world works.
Neither do you. Looks like Apple were correct all along.
https://data.anfr.fr/anfr/visualisation/table/?sort=-date_pr%C3%A9l%C3%A8vement&refine.marque=APPLE&refine.conformite_aux_normes=Conforme
https://www.anfr.fr/das/COM054210042/1-6460_23-30-03.pdf
Above thanks to Chris.
Am 29.09.23 um 22:34 schrieb Alan Browne:
On 2023-09-13 13:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
You do simply not understand how consumer protection in the civilised
world works.
Neither do you. Looks like Apple were correct all along.
The evidence is against you: They made changes to pass the test.
On 2023-09-13 13:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
You do simply not understand how consumer protection in the civilised
world works.
Neither do you. Looks like Apple were correct all along.
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