https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
On 9/13/2023 9:31 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates >> the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my
pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
Very few iPhone users ever used the silent switch so its removal is no problem. /s.
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket. >> I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches muted things.
a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg> VolDown button on Moto G7
b. <https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the same.
a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the phone is muted.
b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button & the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost anything.
What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to vibrate.
<https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware switch?
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly differentiates >>> the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into >>> meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket. >>> I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches muted things. >> a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg> VolDown button on Moto G7
b. <https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the same.
a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the phone is muted.
b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button & the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost anything.
What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to vibrate.
<https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm the phone
is muted.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all
the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on
Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button &
the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing
else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to
vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find
out.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find
out.
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly >>>>differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all
the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on
Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button &
the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing
else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to
vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
In article <xn0o6to0l4iube000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't
always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the
switch to find out.
which makes more sense, having a user configurable button that can do >virtually anything the user wants, or a single-function switch that is
often difficult to see because it's covered with a case (and usually
left in one position anyway)?
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't
always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the
switch to find out.
which makes more sense, having a user configurable button that can do >virtually anything the user wants, or a single-function switch that is >often difficult to see because it's covered with a case (and usually
left in one position anyway)?
I have a case and it's not a problem seeing the switch position now.
If they incorporate a label on the Lock screen showing the status of
the "mute" switch that would be an acceptable compromise,
but I would
prefer the hard switch as it is now.
Honestly it feels like Apple is
turning their phone into something more generic as they continue to
remove useful hardware features
such as as Touch ID,
mini jack,
mute
switch, etc.
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm the phone
is muted.
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm the phone
is muted.
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
Samsung has long had a feature similar to the programmable iPhone Action
key using Bixby Routines,
bixby was a flop
Yes, the Silent switch is extremely useful. While the new "Action"
button can be programmed to do various things, it does not give a visual indicator that the phone has been silenced.
Samsung has long had a feature similar to the programmable iPhone Action
key using Bixby Routines,
Lay the Android on the table face down. That will silence the phone.
They seem to have no clue how an Android phone workks.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Ah. I see. Thanks for explaining as I already wrote up a tutorial on
XDA Developers and on the Android newsgroup for creating your own
mute switch.
*Tutorial: How to make a one-tap homescreen shortcut to an activity*
*which isn't EXPORTED as public (e.g., the volume mute)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/f6M__rV10YI>
As Steve already said, with Bixby, I could make it a hardware switch.
But what you want is a VISUAL indicator that the phone is silenced.
Since Android is linux, it can do anything you need it to do, where
the way I'd first imagine to approach that problem is to put it on
the lockscreen.
Would a visual indication on the lockscreen be of use to you,
badgolferman?
On 9/13/2023 9:31 PM, badgolferman wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates >> the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket. >> I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
Very few iPhone users ever used the silent switch so its removal is no problem. /s.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all
the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on
Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button &
the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing
else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to
vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always
remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find
out.
Exactly. A physical toggle is much more obvious.
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all
the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on
Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button &
the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing
else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to
vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find
out.
nospam wrote:
In article <xn0o6to0l4iube000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't
always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the
switch to find out.
which makes more sense, having a user configurable button that can do
virtually anything the user wants, or a single-function switch that is
often difficult to see because it's covered with a case (and usually
left in one position anyway)?
I have a case and it's not a problem seeing the switch position now.
If they incorporate a label on the Lock screen showing the status of
the "mute" switch that would be an acceptable compromise, but I would
prefer the hard switch as it is now. Honestly it feels like Apple is
turning their phone into something more generic as they continue to
remove useful hardware features such as as Touch ID, mini jack, mute
switch, etc.
On 2023-09-14 05:38, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly >>>>>>differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch
all the time when going into meetings and can silence my
phone without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the
Android people fumbling with several soft switches to
silence their phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b. >>>>><https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30
things c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do
mute apps on Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is
the same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button &
the phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up"
button & the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone &
nothing else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost >>>>>anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen
to vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the
hardware switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't
always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the
switch to find out.
The point is that both are EASY, and in fact, checking it by using
the button is more discreet. You can do it without even taking the
phone out of your pocket.
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that
Apple (and only Apple) makes?
Google calls it "Flip to Shhh" on the Pixel line of phones. https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
On 14/09/2023 at 04:05, sms wrote:
Very few iPhone users ever used the silent switch so its removal is no
problem. /s.
I certainly use it very frequently. I'd appreciate a link to the information you have about its infrequent use. Thanks
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not needed,
b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove it, d) there
is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it lowers the cost of
the phone since if they kept the switch they would have to raise the
price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users accidentally switched to silent mode
and thought that their phone was defective.
On 9/14/2023 10:27 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:
<snip>
Google calls it "Flip to Shhh" on the Pixel line of phones.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
I have a Pixel 6a. Flip to Shhh is in the settings and is on.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work.
On 2023-09-14 05:46, Chris wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all
the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on
Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button &
the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing
else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to
vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always
remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find
out.
Exactly. A physical toggle is much more obvious.
And less discreet to check.
Agreed?
In article <udvd7p$2ml7m$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not needed,
b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove it, d) there
is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it lowers the cost of
the phone since if they kept the switch they would have to raise the
price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress protection, g) it often
required replacement, h) many users accidentally switched to silent mode
and thought that their phone was defective.
you're wrong on all counts. no surprise there.
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress >protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was >defective.
On 9/14/2023 11:03 AM, Wilf wrote:
On 14/09/2023 at 04:05, sms wrote:
<snip>
Very few iPhone users ever used the silent switch so its removal is no
problem. /s.
I certainly use it very frequently. I'd appreciate a link to the
information you have about its infrequent use. Thanks
Sorry, the "/s" indicates sarcasm.
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not needed,
b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove it, d) there
is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it lowers the cost of
the phone since if they kept the switch they would have to raise the
price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users accidentally switched to silent mode
and thought that their phone was defective.
sms wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress
protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was
defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-14 05:38, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all
the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on
Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button &
the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing
else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to
vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always
remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find
out.
The point is that both are EASY, and in fact, checking it by using the
button is more discreet. You can do it without even taking the phone out
of your pocket.
Pure speculation. As you say so yourself: "if the haptics are done right".
How can it be more discrete to wake up the screen and/or physically press a button over just looking at a toggle ?
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that Apple
(and only Apple) makes?
Why the kneejerk reaction to dismiss people's opinions?
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-14 05:46, Chris wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all >>>>>>>> the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on >>>>>>> Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button & >>>>>>> the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing >>>>>>> else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to >>>>>>> vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always
remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find >>>> out.
Exactly. A physical toggle is much more obvious.
And less discreet to check.
Agreed?
Not at all. You're simply speculating.
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone. https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only practical
and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as at a meeting.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only
practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as at a
meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do Not Disturb"?
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever existed.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly differentiates >> the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my pocket. >> I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress >>protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was >>defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only
practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as at a
meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do Not
Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone face down.
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that
Apple (and only Apple) makes?
What is this need for you and nospam to constantly defend anything
Apple does? I said I prefer hardware solutions, you can't tell me what
I like or don't like! I like the switch itself to show me where it's
set.
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 16:31:42 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that
Apple (and only Apple) makes?
What is this need for you and nospam to constantly defend anything
Apple does? I said I prefer hardware solutions, you can't tell me what
I like or don't like! I like the switch itself to show me where it's
set.
Only Apple determines what the customer wants. Not the customer.
Their philosophy is "The customer is never right."
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 05:38, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch
all the time when going into meetings and can silence my
phone without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the
Android people fumbling with several soft switches to
silence their phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30
things c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do
mute apps on Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is
the same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button &
the phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up"
button & the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone &
nothing else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen
to vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the
hardware switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't
always remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the
switch to find out.
The point is that both are EASY, and in fact, checking it by using
the button is more discreet. You can do it without even taking the
phone out of your pocket.
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that
Apple (and only Apple) makes?
What is this need for you and nospam to constantly defend anything
Apple does? I said I prefer hardware solutions, you can't tell me what
I like or don't like! I like the switch itself to show me where it's
set.
On 9/14/2023 11:03 AM, Wilf wrote:
On 14/09/2023 at 04:05, sms wrote:
<snip>
Very few iPhone users ever used the silent switch so its removal is no
problem. /s.
I certainly use it very frequently. I'd appreciate a link to the
information you have about its infrequent use. Thanks
Sorry, the "/s" indicates sarcasm.
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not needed,
b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove it, d) there
is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it lowers the cost of
the phone since if they kept the switch they would have to raise the
price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users accidentally switched to silent mode
and thought that their phone was defective.
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only
practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as at a
meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do Not
Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone face down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going
into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my
pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence
their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display that it's silent.
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only
practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as at
a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do Not
Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone face down. >>>
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do anything else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social signalling at
the same time.
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever >>>> existed.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when
going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my
pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to
silence
their phones.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware
switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display
that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
You missed my point:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going
into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my
pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence >>>> their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware
switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display that
it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
On 2023-09-14 13:15, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only
practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as at >>>>>> a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do
Not Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone face
down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do anything
else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social signalling at
the same time.
1. It apparently doesn't work reliably on dark surfaces. A feature that
you can't rely on is just an annoyance.
2. It's pretty easy set the phone face down without thinking about the
fact that you've just muted all notifications. A feature that's too easy
to activate inadvertently is also a problem.
Features on a device like a phone have to be obvious enough and quick
enough to use, and also not designed in a way which will result in use
when you don't want it. Whether a mechanical switch or a programmable
button, each takes a deliberate action to invoke.
On 2023-09-14 16:31, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever >>>>> existed.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when
going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my >>>>>> pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to
silence
their phones.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware
switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display
that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
You missed my point:
No I didn't. Your problem is you believe your preferred solution is the preferred solution for everyone.
I use the switch - and have been doing so for a long time w/o issue. So
I'm in the habit of checking it.
On 2023-09-14 16:24, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:15, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only
practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as
at a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do
Not Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone face
down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do anything
else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social signalling
at the same time.
1. It apparently doesn't work reliably on dark surfaces. A feature
that you can't rely on is just an annoyance.
That seems limited to some Pixel phones as far as I see in search.
This could be improved if they'd simply use the z accelerometer:
- g force in z = +9.98 m/s (± some margin).
- g force in x and y = 0 (± some margin).
2. It's pretty easy set the phone face down without thinking about the
fact that you've just muted all notifications. A feature that's too
easy to activate inadvertently is also a problem.
These things are habits. Quickly developed.
Features on a device like a phone have to be obvious enough and quick
enough to use, and also not designed in a way which will result in use
when you don't want it. Whether a mechanical switch or a programmable
button, each takes a deliberate action to invoke.
As I said it's a habit for the user to develop. Doesn't take much -
then it's second nature.
On 2023-09-14 16:50, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:40, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:24, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:15, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone. >>>>>>>>>> https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only >>>>>>>>> practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as >>>>>>>>> at a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do >>>>>>>> Not Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone
face down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do
anything else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social signalling
at the same time.
1. It apparently doesn't work reliably on dark surfaces. A feature
that you can't rely on is just an annoyance.
That seems limited to some Pixel phones as far as I see in search.
This could be improved if they'd simply use the z accelerometer:
- g force in z = +9.98 m/s (± some margin).
- g force in x and y = 0 (± some margin).
Yet as it stands, it is NOT improved.
And as it stands is limited (AFAICT) to the Pixel.
2. It's pretty easy set the phone face down without thinking about
the fact that you've just muted all notifications. A feature that's
too easy to activate inadvertently is also a problem.
These things are habits. Quickly developed.
Seriously?
You think most people develop the "habit" of never making a mistake?
Habits ingrained break hard.
Features on a device like a phone have to be obvious enough and
quick enough to use, and also not designed in a way which will
result in use when you don't want it. Whether a mechanical switch or
a programmable button, each takes a deliberate action to invoke.
As I said it's a habit for the user to develop. Doesn't take much -
then it's second nature.
So by your argument would using a button become a habit.
Certainly. This button will be on the Pro v. of the 15, but likely will
be on all iPhones from the 16 onward.
Whether I will assign it to "silent" toggle or something else remains to
be seen.
On 2023-09-14 13:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:31, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever >>>>>> existed.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when
going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of
my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to
silence
their phones.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware
switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display
that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
You missed my point:
No I didn't. Your problem is you believe your preferred solution is
the preferred solution for everyone.
I use the switch - and have been doing so for a long time w/o issue.
So I'm in the habit of checking it.
No. That is simply untrue.
And it's telling that you've snipped everything I did say.
We'll just accept that you can't actually refute the points I raised,
shall we?
On 2023-09-14 16:48, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:31, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it >>>>>>> ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when >>>>>>>> going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of >>>>>>>> my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to >>>>>>>> silence
their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware
switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display
that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
You missed my point:
No I didn't. Your problem is you believe your preferred solution is
the preferred solution for everyone.
I use the switch - and have been doing so for a long time w/o issue.
So I'm in the habit of checking it.
No. That is simply untrue.
Of course it's true: I've been using that switch for a long time.
And it's telling that you've snipped everything I did say.
Mostly irrelevant as you spin to justify your POV of things.
We'll just accept that you can't actually refute the points I raised,
shall we?
Not at all. We were talking about a switch that is on past iPhones and remains on the non Pro 15. So your points there are half baked (at best).
You really need to get over yourself.
On 2023-09-14 13:40, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:24, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:15, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone. >>>>>>>>> https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only >>>>>>>> practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such as >>>>>>>> at a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on "Do >>>>>>> Not Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone face >>>>>> down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do anything
else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social signalling
at the same time.
1. It apparently doesn't work reliably on dark surfaces. A feature
that you can't rely on is just an annoyance.
That seems limited to some Pixel phones as far as I see in search.
This could be improved if they'd simply use the z accelerometer:
- g force in z = +9.98 m/s (± some margin).
- g force in x and y = 0 (± some margin).
Yet as it stands, it is NOT improved.
2. It's pretty easy set the phone face down without thinking about
the fact that you've just muted all notifications. A feature that's
too easy to activate inadvertently is also a problem.
These things are habits. Quickly developed.
Seriously?
You think most people develop the "habit" of never making a mistake?
Features on a device like a phone have to be obvious enough and quick
enough to use, and also not designed in a way which will result in
use when you don't want it. Whether a mechanical switch or a
programmable button, each takes a deliberate action to invoke.
As I said it's a habit for the user to develop. Doesn't take much -
then it's second nature.
So by your argument would using a button become a habit.
On 2023-09-14 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:48, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:31, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it >>>>>>>> ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly >>>>>>>>> differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when >>>>>>>>> going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of >>>>>>>>> my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to >>>>>>>>> silence
their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware
switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's display >>>>>>> that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
You missed my point:
No I didn't. Your problem is you believe your preferred solution is
the preferred solution for everyone.
I use the switch - and have been doing so for a long time w/o issue.
So I'm in the habit of checking it.
No. That is simply untrue.
Of course it's true: I've been using that switch for a long time.
The first sentence of your paragraph is untrue.
And it's telling that you've snipped everything I did say.
Mostly irrelevant as you spin to justify your POV of things.
So refute it.
We'll just accept that you can't actually refute the points I raised,
shall we?
Not at all. We were talking about a switch that is on past iPhones
and remains on the non Pro 15. So your points there are half baked
(at best).
You really need to get over yourself.
Get your balls back from whoever it was took them from you.
On 2023-09-14 14:24, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:50, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:40, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:24, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:15, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone. >>>>>>>>>>> https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not only >>>>>>>>>> practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - such >>>>>>>>>> as at a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on >>>>>>>>> "Do Not Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone >>>>>>>> face down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do
anything else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social
signalling at the same time.
1. It apparently doesn't work reliably on dark surfaces. A feature
that you can't rely on is just an annoyance.
That seems limited to some Pixel phones as far as I see in search.
This could be improved if they'd simply use the z accelerometer:
- g force in z = +9.98 m/s (± some margin).
- g force in x and y = 0 (± some margin).
Yet as it stands, it is NOT improved.
And as it stands is limited (AFAICT) to the Pixel.
2. It's pretty easy set the phone face down without thinking about
the fact that you've just muted all notifications. A feature that's
too easy to activate inadvertently is also a problem.
These things are habits. Quickly developed.
Seriously?
You think most people develop the "habit" of never making a mistake?
Habits ingrained break hard.
People make mistakes all the time.
The simple mistake of putting your phone face down shouldn't be allowed
to make you miss important notifications.
Important actions such as choosing "Do Not Disturb" SHOULD require
conscious action.
Features on a device like a phone have to be obvious enough and
quick enough to use, and also not designed in a way which will
result in use when you don't want it. Whether a mechanical switch
or a programmable button, each takes a deliberate action to invoke.
As I said it's a habit for the user to develop. Doesn't take much -
then it's second nature.
So by your argument would using a button become a habit.
Certainly. This button will be on the Pro v. of the 15, but likely
will be on all iPhones from the 16 onward.
Whether I will assign it to "silent" toggle or something else remains
to be seen.
So you admit that this button is every bit as useful as a the mechanical switch it replaces now?
Petulance suits you.
On 2023-09-14 10:26, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-14 05:38, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all >>>>>>>> the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things
c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on >>>>>>> Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the
same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button & >>>>>>> the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing >>>>>>> else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to >>>>>>> vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware
switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm
the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always
remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find >>>> out.
The point is that both are EASY, and in fact, checking it by using the
button is more discreet. You can do it without even taking the phone out >>> of your pocket.
Pure speculation. As you say so yourself: "if the haptics are done right".
Do you think that they won't be? Honestly?
How can it be more discrete to wake up the screen and/or physically press a >> button over just looking at a toggle ?
Because you have to put the phone close enough to your face to SEE the button...
...whereas with haptics you can discover its state without even taking
it out of your pocket.
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that Apple
(and only Apple) makes?
Why the kneejerk reaction to dismiss people's opinions?
I'm not dismissing the opinions, sunshine.
I'm dismissing the statements of supposed "fact".
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:24:52 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress
protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was
defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
There's another childish excuse nospam is fond of giving is he claims that it's there - he says he told us about it many times - yet it doesn't exist.
On 2023-09-14 17:41, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:48, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:31, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:You missed my point:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me >>>>>>>>> it ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly >>>>>>>>>> differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when >>>>>>>>>> going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out >>>>>>>>>> of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches >>>>>>>>>> to silence
their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware >>>>>>>> switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's
display that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there... >>>>>>
No I didn't. Your problem is you believe your preferred solution
is the preferred solution for everyone.
I use the switch - and have been doing so for a long time w/o
issue. So I'm in the habit of checking it.
No. That is simply untrue.
Of course it's true: I've been using that switch for a long time.
The first sentence of your paragraph is untrue.
a) It is true. You always lean in when someone does things not to your liking.
b) Learn to reply in the right place.
And it's telling that you've snipped everything I did say.
Mostly irrelevant as you spin to justify your POV of things.
So refute it.
Not wasting time on it. You'd nitpick and go bananas again.
We'll just accept that you can't actually refute the points I
raised, shall we?
Not at all. We were talking about a switch that is on past iPhones
and remains on the non Pro 15. So your points there are half baked
(at best).
You really need to get over yourself.
Get your balls back from whoever it was took them from you.
Never lost them.
Petulance suits you.
On 2023-09-14 17:43, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:24, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:50, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:40, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:24, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:15, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:53, Alan wrote:Except that:
On 2023-09-14 12:17, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:52, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 11:27, Larry Wolff wrote:
But the flip-shhh-feature has long been on any Android phone. >>>>>>>>>>>> https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
This is something I wish Apple had implemented. It's not >>>>>>>>>>> only practical and intuitive, it is good social signalling - >>>>>>>>>>> such as at a meeting.
As opposed to just opening the Control Center and turning on >>>>>>>>>> "Do Not Disturb"?
Obviously. Don't need to do a thing other than put the phone >>>>>>>>> face down.
It's hardly a hardship...
Flick, tap, done.
Put down the phone as I usually would anyway. No need to do
anything else.
What Google did is plain smart, obvious and great social
signalling at the same time.
1. It apparently doesn't work reliably on dark surfaces. A feature >>>>>> that you can't rely on is just an annoyance.
That seems limited to some Pixel phones as far as I see in search.
This could be improved if they'd simply use the z accelerometer:
- g force in z = +9.98 m/s (± some margin).
- g force in x and y = 0 (± some margin).
Yet as it stands, it is NOT improved.
And as it stands is limited (AFAICT) to the Pixel.
2. It's pretty easy set the phone face down without thinking about >>>>>> the fact that you've just muted all notifications. A feature
that's too easy to activate inadvertently is also a problem.
These things are habits. Quickly developed.
Seriously?
You think most people develop the "habit" of never making a mistake?
Habits ingrained break hard.
People make mistakes all the time.
And survive most of them with little if any consequence or damage.
Important things, less so.
The simple mistake of putting your phone face down shouldn't be
allowed to make you miss important notifications.
A well seasoned habit and it won't happen enough to matter.
Important actions such as choosing "Do Not Disturb" SHOULD require
conscious action.
Why SHOULD (in caps for that matter)? Who gave you enforcement powers
here?
To me putting a phone down and deciding to put it face down can not only
be a conscious action and habit, but also a deliberate social signal.
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-14 10:26, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:Do you think that they won't be? Honestly?
On 2023-09-14 05:38, badgolferman wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all >>>>>>>>> the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things >>>>>>>> c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on >>>>>>>> Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the >>>>>>>> same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button & >>>>>>>> the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing >>>>>>>> else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to >>>>>>>> vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware >>>>>>>> switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm >>>>>>> the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always >>>>> remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find >>>>> out.
The point is that both are EASY, and in fact, checking it by using the >>>> button is more discreet. You can do it without even taking the phone out >>>> of your pocket.
Pure speculation. As you say so yourself: "if the haptics are done right". >>
You're not even sure. "if".
How can it be more discrete to wake up the screen and/or physically press a >>> button over just looking at a toggle ?
Because you have to put the phone close enough to your face to SEE the
button...
That can easily be beyond arm's length.
...whereas with haptics you can discover its state without even taking
it out of your pocket.
Same with the current situation.
What is this kneejerk need you have to criticize any change that Apple >>>> (and only Apple) makes?
Why the kneejerk reaction to dismiss people's opinions?
I'm not dismissing the opinions, sunshine.
Yes you are.
I'm dismissing the statements of supposed "fact".
No you aren't.
Mickey D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:24:52 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress
protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was
defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
There's another childish excuse nospam is fond of giving is he claims
that
it's there - he says he told us about it many times - yet it doesn't
exist.
Nah, he's right. It all boils down to stuff that is no longer needed; features that apple customers no longer use, and shit that is just plain
NOT wanted. Some of the more high-strung apple customers probably jumped
off bridges.
Apple always strains their ass guts out to serve the customers. They
never consider profits, and never try to cheapen the product and save
$$$ Hell, they haven't shown much profit since the iphone debuted.
For example, didn't apple finally remove the headphone jack because of
all the outrage and bitching from customers that didn't use it?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
Petulance suits you.
He’s like a chihuahua. Just doesn’t know when to stop yipping.
sms wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress
protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was
defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
On 2023-09-14 14:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 17:41, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:48, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:42, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 16:31, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 13:16, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:You missed my point:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me >>>>>>>>>> it ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly >>>>>>>>>>> differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time >>>>>>>>>>> when going into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out >>>>>>>>>>> of my pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches >>>>>>>>>>> to silence
their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware >>>>>>>>> switch, there's no indication when looking at the phone's
display that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there... >>>>>>>
No I didn't. Your problem is you believe your preferred solution >>>>>> is the preferred solution for everyone.
I use the switch - and have been doing so for a long time w/o
issue. So I'm in the habit of checking it.
No. That is simply untrue.
Of course it's true: I've been using that switch for a long time.
The first sentence of your paragraph is untrue.
a) It is true. You always lean in when someone does things not to
your liking.
b) Learn to reply in the right place.
And it's telling that you've snipped everything I did say.
Mostly irrelevant as you spin to justify your POV of things.
So refute it.
Not wasting time on it. You'd nitpick and go bananas again.
Cowardice suits you.
We'll just accept that you can't actually refute the points I
raised, shall we?
Not at all. We were talking about a switch that is on past iPhones >>>> and remains on the non Pro 15. So your points there are half baked
(at best).
You really need to get over yourself.
Get your balls back from whoever it was took them from you.
Never lost them.
Petulance suits you.
You really don't know what that word means, do you?
Too bad that so many people are making so much noise just to hear
themselves that no one is listening anymore.
We'll just accept that you can't actually refute the points I
raised, shall we?
Not at all. We were talking about a switch that is on past
iPhones and remains on the non Pro 15. So your points there are
half baked (at best).
You really need to get over yourself.
Get your balls back from whoever it was took them from you.
Never lost them.
Petulance suits you.
You really don't know what that word means, do you?
Precisely. Which is why it fits you. When you don't get your way you
turn into a childish little being.
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going
into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my
pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence >>>> their phones.
existed.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware switch,
there's no indication when looking at the phone's display that it's silent.
Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
In article <ue02vf$2skgd$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
Too bad that so many people are making so much noise just to hear
themselves that no one is listening anymore.
actually, it's just you and 'arlen' making noise.
Mickey D wrote:
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 17:24:52 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they would
have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of ingress
protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone was
defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
There's another childish excuse nospam is fond of giving is he claims that >> it's there - he says he told us about it many times - yet it doesn't exist. >>
Nah, he's right. It all boils down to stuff that is no longer
needed; features that apple customers no longer use, and shit
that is just plain NOT wanted. Some of the more high-strung
apple customers probably jumped off bridges.
Apple always strains their ass guts out to serve the customers.
They never consider profits, and never try to cheapen the
product and save $$$ Hell, they haven't shown much profit since
the iphone debuted.
For example, didn't apple finally remove the headphone jack
because of all the outrage and bitching from customers that
didn't use it?
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-14 15:51, Alan wrote:Not obvious or easy to access if you have a protective case like an
On 2023-09-14 12:40, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Look at the switch - there's even a little orange stripe there...
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:I’ve never had a use for it. Actually this thread reminded me it ever >>>> existed.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/12/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch/ from
https://apple.slashdot.org/story/23/09/13/1226205/apple-is-killing-the-iphones-silent-switch
That really sucks. It’s the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates
the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all the time when going >>>>> into
meetings and can silence my phone without even taking it out of my
pocket.
I see the Android people fumbling with several soft switches to silence >>>>> their phones.
I use “Do Not Disturb” instead.
I tend to forget it's there, and so use DND as well...
...but what's more important is that if you DO use the hardware switch,
there's no indication when looking at the phone's display that it's silent. >>
Otterbox. I’m not here to crap on people who prefer the hardware switch, but when I first got my iPhone 13 no ringing noises were coming out of it
and I panicked until I realized the long forgotten silent switch was the culprit.
With either that switch or do not disturb there is still the PEBCAK of forgetting to implement it when at work. Or forgetting to undo it at home. That’s usually me right here.
Instead of struggling to get to the switch through the protective case I do
a quick pull down gesture on screen and implement dnd.
nospam wrote:
In article <ue02vf$2skgd$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
³Too bad that so many people are making so much noise just to hear
themselves that no one is listening anymore.²
actually, it's just you and 'arlen' making noise.
Say, man, How did you get this job?
Does it pay pretty good?
Do you get lots of free apple shit?
Petulance suits you.
He's like a chihuahua.
Just doesn't know when to stop yipping.
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
Petulance suits you.
He's like a chihuahua.
Hi badgolferman,
Given the iKooks (both Alan B's) have a limited repertoire of arguments,
it's ironic to watch them use their sophomoric ill logic with each other.
It's like watching two toddlers fighting over a toy where neither of them comprehends anything about what they're supposedly trying to discuss.
Alan Baker is defending Apple at all costs with non-sensical claims that
it's there if Alan Browne just had eyes to see it like Alan Baker does.
Meanwhile, Alan Browne (whose IQ, while still well below normal, is twice that of Alan Baker's IQ) is trying to explain that he likes the switch.
Just doesn't know when to stop yipping.
Alan Baker is on Usenet for one reason alone... his own amusement.
There's a reason only Snit and Alan Baker and Joerg Lorenz (among a small select few morons of the worst kind) are in my rather miniscule killfile.
By way of reasoning, even Jolly Roger isn't in my killfile - since he's pretty much the epitome of the classic gullible Apple consumer - I learn a lot by the strange way that he thinks (e.g., Apple can do no wrong).
On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 19:02:50 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
When you don't get your way you
turn into a childish little being.
Irony meter on full tilt for all the Apple apologists.
I don't use the silent switch thingy. With an invention spawned by starlet Hedy Lamarr I don't miss the headphone jack either.
I bluetooth into my car or high quality non-Apple headphones.
On 9/14/2023 9:02 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
I don't use the silent switch thingy. With an invention spawned by starlet >> Hedy Lamarr I don't miss the headphone jack either.
What kind of specious argument is it that because something works perfectly
& because it has worked perfectly for years - that it should be removed?
I bluetooth into my car or high quality non-Apple headphones.
Your entire argument that a hammer, screwdriver & wrench should be replaced with an Apple Leatherman all-purpose tool (with batteries) just because
they work so well there's no maintenance required - is patently absurd.
On 9/14/2023 9:21 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Say, man, How did you get this job?I think there are people who devote way too much time still fighting the OS >> wars.
Does it pay pretty good?
Do you get lots of free apple shit?
It could be that nospam is paid by Apple to defend them much like the media bots are where his role is to deny Apple ever did what Apple always does.
but when I first got my iPhone 13 no ringing noises were coming out of it
and I panicked until I realized the long forgotten silent switch was the culprit.
When you don't get your way you
turn into a childish little being.
On 2023-09-14 10:24, badgolferman wrote:
sms wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they
would have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of
ingress protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone
was defective.
I've heard all these excuses for various lost functionality of the
iPhone.
What functionality has been lost?
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <udvd7p$2ml7m$2@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
I'm sure that our favorite trolls will insist that a) it is not
needed, b) almost no one ever uses it, c) it took courage to remove
it, d) there is a workaround to get the functionality back, e) it
lowers the cost of the phone since if they kept the switch they
would have to raise the price, f) it was problematic in terms of
ingress protection, g) it often required replacement, h) many users
accidentally switched to silent mode and thought that their phone
was defective.
you're wrong on all counts. no surprise there.
So you agree it is needed and people use it. Glad we've cleared that
up.
Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
On 9/14/2023 9:21 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Could be you’re just Arlen again regurgitated.
Say, man, How did you get this job?I think there are people who devote way too much time still fighting the OS >>> wars.
Does it pay pretty good?
Do you get lots of free apple shit?
It could be that nospam is paid by Apple to defend them much like the media >> bots are where his role is to deny Apple ever did what Apple always does.
On 2023-09-14 18:56, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
On 9/14/2023 9:21 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:Could be you’re just Arlen again regurgitated.
Say, man, How did you get this job?I think there are people who devote way too much time still fighting the OS
Does it pay pretty good?
Do you get lots of free apple shit?
wars.
It could be that nospam is paid by Apple to defend them much like the media >>> bots are where his role is to deny Apple ever did what Apple always does. >>>
Is there really any doubt?
:-)
Oh ok. It works for me. I embrace absurdity because I follow Camus uphill everyday thank you very much.
My lightning hole allows for an adapter that one can put a 3.5 mm earbud or headphone into. I used to plug my 7+ into my home entertainment system with an RCA adapter.
The only rationale Apple ever stated for removing what wasn't broken
was that it was "courageous" of Apple to remove something that worked.
That's also absurd.
You really think you can tell that obvious lie without anyone bothering
to fact check you, clown boy? Sorry, but nah:
"That jack takes up a lot of space in the phone, a lot of space. And
there's a lot of more important things we can provide for the consumer
than that jack."
"The audio connector is more than 100 years old," Joswiak says. "It had
its last big innovation about 50 years ago. You know what that was? They
made it smaller. It hasn't been touched since then. It's a dinosaur.
It's time to move on."
"We've got this 50-year-old connector - just a hole filled with air -
and it's just sitting there taking up space, really valuable space,"
Riccio explained. "It was holding us back from a number of things we
wanted to put into the iPhone," Riccio says. "It was fighting for space
with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And frankly,
when there's a better, modern solution available, it's crazy to keep it around." Even better, removing the audio jack also eliminated a key
point of ingress that Riccio says helped the new iPhone finally meet the
IP7 water resistance spec Apple has been after for years (resistant when immersed under 1 meter of water for 30 minutes).
That's also absurd.
Yes, you are absurd. Grow up.
On 16/9/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
You're trying to back track now because your lie is exposed.
What remains is that your argument that everything that works is a
"dinosaur" which Apple must remove is incredibly absurd, that's all.
On 14/9/2023, Jolly Roger wrote:
You really think you can tell that obvious lie without anyone
bothering to fact check you, clown boy? Sorry, but nah:
"That jack takes up a lot of space in the phone, a lot of space. And
there's a lot of more important things we can provide for the
consumer than that jack."
"The audio connector is more than 100 years old," Joswiak says. "It
had its last big innovation about 50 years ago. You know what that
was? They made it smaller. It hasn't been touched since then. It's a
dinosaur. It's time to move on."
"We've got this 50-year-old connector - just a hole filled with air -
and it's just sitting there taking up space, really valuable space,"
Riccio explained. "It was holding us back from a number of things we
wanted to put into the iPhone," Riccio says. "It was fighting for
space with camera technologies and processors and battery life. And
frankly, when there's a better, modern solution available, it's crazy
to keep it around." Even better, removing the audio jack also
eliminated a key point of ingress that Riccio says helped the new
iPhone finally meet the IP7 water resistance spec Apple has been
after for years (resistant when immersed under 1 meter of water for
30 minutes).
I'm only saying that any argument from anyone that the 3.5mm plug
worked flawlessly for decades so it has to be replaced - is absurd.
The only rationale Apple ever stated for removing what wasn't broken
was that it was "courageous" of Apple to remove something that worked.
That's also absurd.
Yes, you are absurd. Grow up.
Calling me names
You're trying to back track now because your lie is exposed.
“Too bad that so many people are making so much noise just to hear themselves that no one is listening anymore.”
On 15. Sep 2023 at 00:54:39 CEST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
“Too bad that so many people are making so much noise just to hear
themselves that no one is listening anymore.”
As long as people keep answering them, they will continue...
On 9/14/2023 10:27 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:
<snip>
Google calls it "Flip to Shhh" on the Pixel line of phones.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
I have a Pixel 6a. Flip to Shhh is in the settings and is on.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work.
In any case, one of the nice things about the Silent switch on the
iPhone is that if you're in a venue where you need to silence the phone
it's very easy to do and you get a visual verification that the phone is silenced.
On Android devices I turn the phone completely off if I'm at a concert, movie, etc..
Am 14.09.23 um 18:39 schrieb sms:
On 9/14/2023 10:27 AM, Larry Wolff wrote:
<snip>
Google calls it "Flip to Shhh" on the Pixel line of phones.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/get-pixels-flip-shhh-feature-any-phone-0200605/
I have a Pixel 6a. Flip to Shhh is in the settings and is on.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work.
In any case, one of the nice things about the Silent switch on the
iPhone is that if you're in a venue where you need to silence the phone
it's very easy to do and you get a visual verification that the phone is
silenced.
On Android devices I turn the phone completely off if I'm at a concert,
movie, etc..
They have an DND-function exactly the same as an iPhone. Learn to use
your phone like a real man.
I said basically that years ago. Then AIOE.org stopped working and
after waiting a long time to see if it would come back, I eventually
had to find a new newsserver ... only to find the same anti-Apple
morons posting their same brainless crap and the same fools still
continually replying to them. :-(
On 15. Sep 2023 at 00:54:39 CEST, "sms" <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
“Too bad that so many people are making so much noise just to hear
themselves that no one is listening anymore.”
I said basically that years ago. Then AIOE.org stopped working and after waiting a long time to see if it would come back, I eventually had to
find a new newsserver ... only to find the same anti-Apple morons
posting their same brainless crap and the same fools still continually replying to them. :-(
A real he man don't use an iphone.
On 2023-09-14 10:26, Chris wrote:
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2023-09-14 05:46, Chris wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2023-09-14 02:22, badgolferman wrote:
Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
That really sucks. It's the one tangible thing which truly
differentiates the iPhone from an Android. I use the switch all >>>>>>>>> the time when going into meetings and can silence my phone
without even taking it out of my pocket. I see the Android
people fumbling with several soft switches to silence their
phones.
Hi badgolferman,
How does the iPhone silencing differ from any typical Android
mute?
On my old $100 Moto G7, from long ago, the hardware switches
muted things. a. <https://i.postimg.cc/JhCps71N/mute01.jpg>
VolDown button on Moto G7 b.
<https://i.postimg.cc/xC0gPsNq/mute02.jpg> Does about 30 things >>>>>>>> c. <https://i.postimg.cc/RFXdpcwd/mute03.jpg> As do mute apps on >>>>>>>> Android
I have a free A325G Samsung now, where the hardware mute is the >>>>>>>> same. a. You press (and hold) the "volume down" button & the
phone is muted. b. You press (and hold) the "volume up" button & >>>>>>>> the phone is un-muted.
What's different about the iPhone mute switch?
Is it that the iPhone h/w switch silences the ringtone & nothing >>>>>>>> else?
The reason I ask is that Android (being Linux) can do almost
anything. What is it, exactly, you want the phone to do?
For example, I've added a one-touch shortcut on my homescreen to >>>>>>>> vibrate. <https://i.postimg.cc/HsCRLykg/mute01.jpg>
What else do you want the Android phone to do with the hardware >>>>>>>> switch?
I want a visual indicator on the outside of the phone to confirm >>>>>>> the phone is muted.
Why? If the haptics are done right, just press the button.
If you change it to the state you want, you're now done.
If you change it to the state you DON'T want, press it again.
Which makes more sense, looking at a switch to see its state, or
pressing it on/off to determine its state? Personally I don't always >>>>> remember if I muted or unmuted my phone so I look at the switch to find >>>>> out.
Exactly. A physical toggle is much more obvious.
And less discreet to check.
Agreed?
Not at all. You're simply speculating.
So?
You don't seem to mention all the speculation all the others are doing.
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