• Time for iOS 17?

    From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 28 17:43:08 2023
    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Oct 28 13:57:22 2023
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Oct 28 19:04:53 2023
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 10:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Is there something about your phone or tablet running whatever version
    of iOS you've got that iOS 17 will improve?

    Is there some new feature you need or want?

    I'd like the better autocorrect which isn't quite so prissy.

    I tell my clients all the time:

    If it's not broke, don't fix it.

    I know, but in order to get the security updates you do have to upgrade eventually.

    We're not there yet as we've just got 16.7.2. Is there going to be a 16.7.3 together with 17.2?

    :-)


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Oct 28 11:34:59 2023
    On 2023-10-28 10:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Is there something about your phone or tablet running whatever version
    of iOS you've got that iOS 17 will improve?

    Is there some new feature you need or want?

    I tell my clients all the time:

    If it's not broke, don't fix it.

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sat Oct 28 19:04:54 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy
    update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple
    of days, etc?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Schram@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Oct 28 20:01:19 2023
    On 2023-10-28, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    My favored Navigation app broke under iOS 17, but came back to life with
    the iOS 17.1 update. I'm happy.

    --
    chrispam1@me.com is a filtered spam magnet. Email replies may be lost.
    You're better off replying to this newsgroup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Chris Schram on Sat Oct 28 14:23:50 2023
    On 2023-10-28 13:01, Chris Schram wrote:
    On 2023-10-28, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    My favored Navigation app broke under iOS 17, but came back to life with
    the iOS 17.1 update. I'm happy.


    See, that's a valid reason to have waited.

    :-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat Oct 28 22:54:19 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And
    worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something
    imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt.
    Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you can hear now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sat Oct 28 18:29:13 2023
    badgolferman wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you can hear now.


    Ya, ios 17 was a real turd. Still is at 17.1.

    Not only the sounds, but there are other problems that some may
    not have noticed. For example, things under accesibility/zoom
    are also fubared. Passwords fucks up randomly.

    They'll get everything fixed by 17.8, just in time to fuck it
    again up for V18.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 00:40:40 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 10:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Is there something about your phone or tablet running whatever version
    of iOS you've got that iOS 17 will improve?

    Is there some new feature you need or want?

    I'd like the better autocorrect which isn't quite so prissy.

    I tell my clients all the time:

    If it's not broke, don't fix it.

    I know, but in order to get the security updates you do have to upgrade eventually.

    We're not there yet as we've just got 16.7.2. Is there going to be a 16.7.3 together with 17.2?

    Apple released v15.8 last Wednesday! :O
    --
    "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us." --1 Peter 2:12. 2 much Zs!
    Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
    /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org.
    / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail.
    | |o o| |
    \ _ /
    ( )

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 00:39:39 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    I am going to wait a little longer. I don't need the new features yet
    for my old 12 mini. Too bad Apple can't let us downgrade iOS after a
    while. :(

    --
    "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us." --1 Peter 2:12. 2 much Zs!
    Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
    /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org.
    / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail.
    | |o o| |
    \ _ /
    ( )

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Oct 28 17:43:00 2023
    On 2023-10-28 17:40, Ant wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 10:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the >>>> usual over sensitivity?

    Is there something about your phone or tablet running whatever version
    of iOS you've got that iOS 17 will improve?

    Is there some new feature you need or want?

    I'd like the better autocorrect which isn't quite so prissy.

    I tell my clients all the time:

    If it's not broke, don't fix it.

    I know, but in order to get the security updates you do have to upgrade
    eventually.

    We're not there yet as we've just got 16.7.2. Is there going to be a 16.7.3 >> together with 17.2?

    Apple released v15.8 last Wednesday! :O

    But... ...Arlen tells us Apple doesn't update old versions of iOS!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Hank Rogers on Sun Oct 29 00:41:07 2023
    Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    badgolferman wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there??s no way to change it to something you can hear now.


    Ya, ios 17 was a real turd. Still is at 17.1.

    Not only the sounds, but there are other problems that some may
    not have noticed. For example, things under accesibility/zoom
    are also fubared. Passwords fucks up randomly.

    They'll get everything fixed by 17.8, just in time to fuck it
    again up for V18.

    Yep.
    --
    "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us." --1 Peter 2:12. 2 much Zs!
    Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly.
    /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org.
    / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail.
    | |o o| |
    \ _ /
    ( )

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 00:18:42 2023
    On 10/28/23 1:43 PM, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Its the usual New Version issues.

    I just updated to 16.7.2. By January iOS 17 will be fine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 07:46:25 2023
    Am 29.10.23 um 00:54 schrieb badgolferman:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you can hear now.

    Go get hearing aids.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 07:48:21 2023
    Am 29.10.23 um 05:18 schrieb Tyrone:
    On 10/28/23 1:43 PM, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Its the usual New Version issues.

    I just updated to 16.7.2. By January iOS 17 will be fine.

    Arlen, you are a Troll!

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr3.iad1.usenetexpress.com!69.80.99.27.MISMATCH!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.
    nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 04:18:42 +0000
    Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 00:18:42 -0400
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
    Subject: Re: Time for iOS 17?
    Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
    References: <uhjh7c$3eahi$1@dont-email.me>
    Content-Language: en-US
    From: Tyrone <none@none.none>
    In-Reply-To: <uhjh7c$3eahi$1@dont-email.me>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Message-ID: <wN6cnZsnOtS_QKD4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@supernews.com>
    Lines: 9
    X-Trace: sv3-NpAcBEhRGsk32oytBkKAz7Nbuv5R3pRvmf/ZqLGfN5MbyetrE6nbliiDQ5IYbIKhxo4Fwi4RJPmHWtG!4Tof+VMzagsr08LE+I1FI353fF3Zr5TOWyIlvt0cJT8GNCAk0pjC7iag1qOVBu7w8+/2xtoUu3Wx!S+GD8TmfIQ==
    X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html
    X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html
    X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your
    complaint properly
    X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
    Xref: news.eternal-september.org misc.phone.mobile.iphone:182388

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 07:44:35 2023
    Am 28.10.23 um 19:43 schrieb Chris:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    What is the relative share of users that complain?

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to hugybear@gmx.net on Sun Oct 29 08:20:41 2023
    Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
    Am 29.10.23 um 00:54 schrieb badgolferman:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And
    worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something
    imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt.
    Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there’s no way to >> change it to something you can hear now.

    Go get hearing aids.


    Shouldn’t you be out stalking Arlen, jughead?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Oct 29 09:58:58 2023
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the changelog.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 11:11:36 2023
    Am 29.10.23 um 10:58 schrieb Chris:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon) broke. And
    worst of all, the default notification sound changed to something
    imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from Tritone to Redoubt.
    Unless a third party app has its own notification sound there’s no way to >> change it to something you can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the changelog.

    If that is correct - indeed it seems to be much louder now - it makes a
    clear case to update a mobile device and computer in general immediately
    when an update it is available.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alan Browne@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 06:41:03 2023
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy
    update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple
    of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    --
    “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
    - John Maynard Keynes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 12:42:05 2023
    Chris wrote:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it
    just the usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon)
    broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to >>something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from
    Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own
    notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you
    can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the
    changelog.


    Please show me where it mentions that.
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213781

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 12:44:51 2023
    Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Am 29.10.23 um 00:54 schrieb badgolferman:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it
    just the usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon)
    broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to >>something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from
    Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own
    notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you can
    hear now.

    Go get hearing aids.


    Stop being a selfish jerk. I see why Arlen has included you in his
    list of idiots.

    I have hearing aids. It's still impossible to hear it when carrying
    the phone in your pocket or if there's any background noise around.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 15:55:36 2023
    Am 29.10.23 um 13:44 schrieb badgolferman:
    Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Go get hearing aids.


    Stop being a selfish jerk. I see why Arlen has included you in his
    list of idiots.

    I have hearing aids. It's still impossible to hear it when carrying
    the phone in your pocket or if there's any background noise around.

    That changed with *17.1* back to the old sound and volume.

    And btw: Stop complaining each and every day about iOS or your iPhone
    and buy an Android.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?=@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 15:56:58 2023
    Am 29.10.23 um 13:42 schrieb badgolferman:
    Chris wrote:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it
    just the usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon)
    broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to
    something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from
    Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own
    notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you
    can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the
    changelog.


    Please show me where it mentions that. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213781

    I tested it.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to hugybear@gmx.net on Sun Oct 29 17:00:12 2023
    Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
    Am 29.10.23 um 13:44 schrieb badgolferman:
    Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Go get hearing aids.


    Stop being a selfish jerk. I see why Arlen has included you in his
    list of idiots.

    I have hearing aids. It's still impossible to hear it when carrying
    the phone in your pocket or if there's any background noise around.

    That changed with *17.1* back to the old sound and volume.

    And btw: Stop complaining each and every day about iOS or your iPhone
    and buy an Android.


    This support thread says it hasn’t changed. https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/737407

    I’d like to hear from anyone else who has 17.1 if the default notification sound has been fixed. This is only evident in third party apps which don’t have their own sound setting.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to badgolferman on Sun Oct 29 19:06:02 2023
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it
    just the usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon)
    broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to
    something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from
    Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own
    notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you
    can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the
    changelog.


    Please show me where it mentions that. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213781

    Sorry my mistake. I confused ringtones with notifications.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Alan Browne on Sun Oct 29 19:01:02 2023
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the >>>> usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy
    update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple
    of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    Thanks for the data point.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Paul Goodman@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 19:12:27 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the >>>>> usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy
    update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple >>> of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery
    endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    Thanks for the data point.



    I updated with no issues. I ended up buying a wireless charger on a stand
    to take advantage of standby mode. I charge overnight and I really like
    being able to look and see the time when needed during the night.


    Paul Goodman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 14:14:21 2023
    Jrg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 29.10.23 um 05:18 schrieb Tyrone:
    On 10/28/23 1:43 PM, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is
    it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Its the usual New Version issues.

    I just updated to 16.7.2. By January iOS 17 will be fine.

    Arlen, you are a Troll!

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!1.us.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder.usenetexpress.com!tr3.iad1.usenetexpress.com!69.80.99.27.MISMATCH!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.
    nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail

    NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 04:18:42 +0000
    Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 00:18:42 -0400
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
    Subject: Re: Time for iOS 17?
    Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
    References: <uhjh7c$3eahi$1@dont-email.me>
    Content-Language: en-US
    From: Tyrone <none@none.none>
    In-Reply-To: <uhjh7c$3eahi$1@dont-email.me>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Message-ID: <wN6cnZsnOtS_QKD4nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@supernews.com>
    Lines: 9
    X-Trace: sv3-NpAcBEhRGsk32oytBkKAz7Nbuv5R3pRvmf/ZqLGfN5MbyetrE6nbliiDQ5IYbIKhxo4Fwi4RJPmHWtG!4Tof+VMzagsr08LE+I1FI353fF3Zr5TOWyIlvt0cJT8GNCAk0pjC7iag1qOVBu7w8+/2xtoUu3Wx!S+GD8TmfIQ==

    X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html
    X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html
    X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL
    headers
    X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process
    your complaint properly
    X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
    Xref: news.eternal-september.org misc.phone.mobile.iphone:182388


    Great. Now, go get 'em, JugHead!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Hank Rogers@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 14:17:12 2023
    Chris wrote:
    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris wrote:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it
    just the usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon)
    broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound changed to
    something imperceptible with no way to change it. It went from
    Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has its own
    notification sound there’s no way to change it to something you
    can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the
    changelog.


    Please show me where it mentions that.
    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213781

    Sorry my mistake. I confused ringtones with notifications.


    Exactly. The same problem remains in 17.1.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Tyrone on Sun Oct 29 21:45:41 2023
    Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
    On 10/29/23 2:48 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 29.10.23 um 05:18 schrieb Tyrone:
    On 10/28/23 1:43 PM, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the >>>> usual over sensitivity?

    Its the usual New Version issues.

    I just updated to 16.7.2.  By January iOS 17 will be fine.

    Arlen, you are a Troll!

    Yes, he is. But I assure you I am not Arlen.



    George sees Arlen everywhere! Many of us have been falsely accused so
    you’re in good company.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Paul Goodman@21:1/5 to Chris on Sun Oct 29 21:46:04 2023
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the >>>>>>> usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy >>>>> update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple >>>>> of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery >>>> endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    Thanks for the data point.



    I updated with no issues.

    Noted thanks

    I ended up buying a wireless charger on a stand
    to take advantage of standby mode. I charge overnight and I really like
    being able to look and see the time when needed during the night.

    Out of interest, which one did you get? Standby mode is tempting me too.





    I ended up getting the Belkin Boost^Charge Pro 2-In-1 Wireless Charger
    Stand with MagSafe. Works well for me.


    Paul Goodman

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 17:41:24 2023
    On 10/29/23 2:48 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
    Am 29.10.23 um 05:18 schrieb Tyrone:
    On 10/28/23 1:43 PM, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Its the usual New Version issues.

    I just updated to 16.7.2.  By January iOS 17 will be fine.

    Arlen, you are a Troll!

    Yes, he is. But I assure you I am not Arlen.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Paul Goodman on Sun Oct 29 21:27:50 2023
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the >>>>>> usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy
    update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple >>>> of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery
    endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    Thanks for the data point.



    I updated with no issues.

    Noted thanks

    I ended up buying a wireless charger on a stand
    to take advantage of standby mode. I charge overnight and I really like
    being able to look and see the time when needed during the night.

    Out of interest, which one did you get? Standby mode is tempting me too.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 22:04:32 2023
    Jörg Lorenz wrote:

    Am 29.10.23 um 13:42 schrieb badgolferman:
    Chris wrote:

    badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it
    just the usual over sensitivity?


    I waited until 17.01. My favorite backgammon game (XG Gammon)
    broke. And worst of all, the default notification sound
    changed to something imperceptible with no way to change it.
    It went from Tritone to Redoubt. Unless a third party app has
    its own notification sound there’s no way to change it to
    something you can hear now.

    Apparently that's been fixed in 17.1. There's a mention in the
    changelog.


    Please show me where it mentions that. >>https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213781

    I tested it.


    You are so wrong so often, that I wonder if you purposely lie or really
    are that stupid. I can no longer credit it to any language differences
    since you claim to be so intelligent and knowledeable.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Paul Goodman on Mon Oct 30 08:00:42 2023
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy >>>>>> update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple
    of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery >>>>> endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    Thanks for the data point.



    I updated with no issues.

    Noted thanks

    I ended up buying a wireless charger on a stand
    to take advantage of standby mode. I charge overnight and I really like
    being able to look and see the time when needed during the night.

    Out of interest, which one did you get? Standby mode is tempting me too.





    I ended up getting the Belkin Boost^Charge Pro 2-In-1 Wireless Charger
    Stand with MagSafe. Works well for me.

    Thanks.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Paul Goodman on Mon Oct 30 15:58:49 2023
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Paul Goodman <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 15:04, Chris wrote:
    Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
    On 2023-10-28 13:43, Chris wrote:


    Still seeing a lot of negative reports, even after 17.1. Is it just the
    usual over sensitivity?

    Edge cases scream loud.

    Normal is an orphan.

    I take it you've updated. Any comments or is it just the usual: easy >>>>>> update, some useful changes, some not, things settled down after a couple
    of days, etc?

    I didn't pay much attention to it. Updated, got on with life. Battery >>>>> endurance, no perceptible change, no noticeable heat.

    Thanks for the data point.



    I updated with no issues.

    Noted thanks

    I ended up buying a wireless charger on a stand
    to take advantage of standby mode. I charge overnight and I really like
    being able to look and see the time when needed during the night.

    Out of interest, which one did you get? Standby mode is tempting me too.





    I ended up getting the Belkin Boost^Charge Pro 2-In-1 Wireless Charger
    Stand with MagSafe. Works well for me.

    Thanks.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)