On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money
this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money
this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>What nonsense - you failed miserably to defend a policy that is without any value but is anti free market.
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - >>it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Measuring that real estate agents are qualified to provide good
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>What nonsense - you failed miserably to defend a policy that is without any >value but is anti free market.
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - >>>it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
On 14 Feb 2024 23:36:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What a pethetic lie that is, don't you have anything worthwhile? If not don't bother.
On 2024-02-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this >>>>- it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients
Surely in a muti cutural society the people should respect the other >>cultures and not offend them by ones actions.
Some of the Maori values are very much common sense. Shitting is a river, >>keeping the places where food are prepared away from contamination. Wash one >>hands in the hand basin not the kitchen sink. Consider the mice in the >>supermarkets - not a desirable thing.
The example of the head is tapu and thus should not be touched without the >>owners permission. In the western/white/pakeha culture touching heads willy >>nilly is frowned upon. Basically there is agreement.
The issue is one of excess, the more is better arguement. The gravey boat is >>created and instead of acceptance the two tribes form. People do not respond >>well to having something jammed down their throats. Placing an idea an idea >>on the roadside is a far better plan.
- as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it?
Probably not. The other REA people probably have done the course, and >>carried on as before while the "teachers" have ticked the box and collect >>some money from doing so.
I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
Chinese are bilingual, others are decents from the Otago gold rush. The >>stereo type that the Chinese do not speak English is incorect. The recent >>ones maybe not so much but they go from very little English to Kiwi >>English.
I agree; I have friends whose great grandparents emigrated to New
Zealand. In the Real Estate world however a few years ago there was a
rush of Chinese university students buying buildings; presumably with >assistance from parents, and other Chinese seeking bolt holes from
Hong Kong and Taiwan as well as mainland China. That is less of an
issue now, but for estate agents in Auckland it was an important
segment of the market, and may still be. I know of a school in
Auckland where around 5% of new students had English as their language
in the home - largely languages from India as well as Chinese.
I am happy to leave such issues to local areas and the profession -
unlike the current government who want all decisions to be agreed with >Ministers.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:08:09 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>No it is not, well done - but that is not what this is about.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Measuring that real estate agents are qualified to provide good
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>What nonsense - you failed miserably to defend a policy that is without any >>value but is anti free market.
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this >>>>-
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
it
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
service to all potential clients is not anti-free market!
It isDon't ask off topic stupid questions.
however trying to make sure poor experiences with an agent do not make
'do it yourself' more popular with sellers. Many professions have
continuing professional development requirements, which the profession
decide for themselves. Do you want the government to override
professional requirements that the profession set for themselves?
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it?
I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
On 2024-02-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients
Surely in a muti cutural society the people should respect the other
cultures and not offend them by ones actions.
Some of the Maori values are very much common sense. Shitting is a river, >keeping the places where food are prepared away from contamination. Wash one >hands in the hand basin not the kitchen sink. Consider the mice in the >supermarkets - not a desirable thing.
The example of the head is tapu and thus should not be touched without the >owners permission. In the western/white/pakeha culture touching heads willy >nilly is frowned upon. Basically there is agreement.
The issue is one of excess, the more is better arguement. The gravey boat is >created and instead of acceptance the two tribes form. People do not respond >well to having something jammed down their throats. Placing an idea an idea >on the roadside is a far better plan.
- as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it?
Probably not. The other REA people probably have done the course, and
carried on as before while the "teachers" have ticked the box and collect >some money from doing so.
I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
Chinese are bilingual, others are decents from the Otago gold rush. The >stereo type that the Chinese do not speak English is incorect. The recent >ones maybe not so much but they go from very little English to Kiwi
English.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:08:09 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>No it is not, well done - but that is not what this is about.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Measuring that real estate agents are qualified to provide good
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>What nonsense - you failed miserably to defend a policy that is without any >>>value but is anti free market.
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this >>>>>-
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
it
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
service to all potential clients is not anti-free market!
It isDon't ask off topic stupid questions.
however trying to make sure poor experiences with an agent do not make
'do it yourself' more popular with sellers. Many professions have >>continuing professional development requirements, which the profession >>decide for themselves. Do you want the government to override
professional requirements that the profession set for themselves?
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:15:10 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:08:09 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>No it is not, well done - but that is not what this is about.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Measuring that real estate agents are qualified to provide good
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:What nonsense - you failed miserably to defend a policy that is without any >>>>value but is anti free market.
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do >>>>>>this
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
-
it
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous >>>>>complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their >>>>>language . . .
service to all potential clients is not anti-free market!
It isDon't ask off topic stupid questions.
however trying to make sure poor experiences with an agent do not make >>>'do it yourself' more popular with sellers. Many professions have >>>continuing professional development requirements, which the profession >>>decide for themselves. Do you want the government to override >>>professional requirements that the profession set for themselves?
The true disgrace is the poster that said:
"I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist."
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of
government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - >>>it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the
planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing
requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
wrote:
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some
knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as
part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such
matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the
planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing
requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>That is irrelevant - it is about how far such a body can control their members. It cannot be entirely open and this is a step much too far.
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this >>>>- it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:That is irrelevant - it is about how far such a body can control their members.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this >>>>>- it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
It cannot be entirely open and this is a step much too far.
There is nothing unprofessional about not knowing the fulll culture of any of >the dozens of different cultures in this country.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:That is irrelevant - it is about how far such a body can control their members.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this >>>>>- it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
It cannot be entirely open and this is a step much too far.
There is nothing unprofessional about not knowing the fulll culture of any of >the dozens of different cultures in this country.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:02:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?
Bill.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:57:10 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Jeez you are a fool - do you really think people believe you? Get a life.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:02:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do >>>>>>this - it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous >>>>>complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their >>>>>language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend >>>>the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully, >>>>irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory >>>>CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce >>>>Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a >>>professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?
Bill.
It is the new government - they are encouraging all sort of changes;
whatever they think will get them votes next year when the coalition
falls apart.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 00:45:17 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>No that is what you are saying - not me.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:That is irrelevant - it is about how far such a body can control their >>members.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do >>>>>>this
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
- it
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous >>>>>complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their >>>>>language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend >>>>the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully, >>>>irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory >>>>CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce >>>>Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a >>>professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
It cannot be entirely open and this is a step much too far.
There is nothing unprofessional about not knowing the fulll culture of any of >>the dozens of different cultures in this country.
. . ."knowing the fulll culture of any of the dozens of different
cultures in this country"
It is only one and a half hours! Sheesh, what culture could you get
more than scratching the surface of in 90 minutes! They can only
cover critical essentials in that time - although perhaps Tony thinks
his culture could be taught in 10 minutes . . . .
There is something unprofessional in having no idea of any culturalIs that a question or a guess?
issues for potential clients in the area in which you work, Tony.
Let us wait and see hat the court says, and then wait again (whateverYou are a fool. Period.
he decision) to see if NAct1st can agree on any legislative changes to >prevent basic information being conveyed to so-called professionals. .
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Exactly Crash.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this -
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal.
It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
it
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems
and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware
doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the
first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would
also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but
not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the
position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory
condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to
freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand
Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory
CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:57:10 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:02:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous >>>>>complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their >>>>>language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend >>>>the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully, >>>>irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory >>>>CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce >>>>Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking >>>>the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a >>>professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?
Bill.
It is the new government - they are encouraging all sort of changes;
whatever they think will get them votes next year when the coalition
falls apart.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:02:15 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 11:50:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:59:13 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:48:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:46:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Thanks Bill, that initiative is bullshit. The REA have no right to do this - it
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/meetjanetdickson
The REA should not take this power on themselves.
Unless they also insist on Chinese, Tongan, Tokelauan, Samoan, English, >>>>>>>German,
and another 150 ++ cultures.
I hope this woman wins and I hope the practice becomes illegal. >>>>>>>It is racist.
If you want to find out what a complete waste of time, space and money >>>>>>this all is, here is the link.
https://www.wananga.ac.nz/media/2gqlvpwe/te-kakano-update-v3.pdf
The real estate authority is yet another one of a long list of >>>>>>government departments that need to be abolished immediately with all >>>>>>involved sacked and put on the dole.
Bill.
should be stopped.
it is quite common for professional organisations to require some >>>>knowledge of cultural aspects of their job, and how to avoid problems >>>>and get the best results with all clients - as far as I am aware >>>>doctors and teachers and dentists have such cultural issues covered as >>>>part of initial and ongoing professional development course on such >>>>matters from time to time. This was dated April 2023 - is this the >>>>first complaint about it? I have not heard of any previous
complaints. (And I suspect that in some areas Pacifica issues would >>>>also be covered - they are large enough to matter in some areas but >>>>not others; Chinese are known for using agents who speak their
language . . .
While I agree that there has been a bit of a delay with this, the >>>position that Hobson's Pledge are taking is that of over-reach of a >>>professional body with statutory powers. This is the summary of the >>>planned appeal:
***
-RELIEF SOUGHT:
It is expected that the Court will be asked to determine whether:
1. The REAs CPD rules are invalid insofar as they purport to extend
the REAs powers under the Act;
2. In requiring licensees to undertake Te Kakano as a compulsory >>>condition of their licences, the REA has acted unlawfully,
irrationally, unreasonably and/or inconsistently with the rights to >>>freedom of expression and conscience guaranteed under the New Zealand >>>Bill of Rights Act 1990.
3. The REAs commissioning of a single supplier to provide compulsory >>>CPD training to all licensees is in breach of Part 2 of the Commerce
Act 1986.
4. The Registrars refusal to exempt Janet Dickson from undertaking
the Te Kakano course should be set aside.
***
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a
professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?
So this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be
up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so
what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a
member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting
in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a >>>professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?
Bill.
It is the new government - they are encouraging all sort of changes;
whatever they think will get them votes next year when the coalition
falls apart.
On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:18:10 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The coalition is a very mixed bunch, and the government as a whole isSo this is an issue of the REA extending its mandate by imposing >>>>>requirements on its members that are not professionally required.
That certainly appears to be the attitude of Janet Dickson; it will be >>>>up to the Court to determine whether that the claims are valid if so >>>>what actions should be taken in relation to relief sought. Being a >>>>member of a profession does usually require that at least while acting >>>>in their capacity as a member of the profession, they act in a >>>>professional manner and respect rather than offend those relying on
the integrity of members of the association.
None of this nonsense was a requirement in the past. Why is it
suddenly necessary now?
Bill.
It is the new government - they are encouraging all sort of changes; >>whatever they think will get them votes next year when the coalition
falls apart.
OK, so this REA mandate is a National/ACT/NZ First imperative.
Do you agree with it?
Bill.
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