• Auckland Water heading for being sold off cheaply?

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 6 14:40:59 2024
    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/127603/government-will-pass-legislation-barring-council-or-crown-support-auckland%E2%80%99s

    The statement in the headline has been corrected - "An earlier version
    of this story incorrectly reported the Crown would be unable to
    financially support Watercare. While the Government won't guarantee intervention in a crisis, it would be able to do so if required."

    It turns out that National's solution is pretty much what Labour
    investigated and eventually rejected as being too expensive -
    effectively it uses private financing, and would be set up so that in
    difficult times (for example if Auckland had another major flooding or earthquake event), the most likely result would be privatisation at a
    cheap price - it is more like a Thames Water model than similar to
    Scottish Water. . . .

    It is telling that the Government is not prepared to guarantee loans -
    there was a time when most local authorities borrowed, at a cost about
    0.5% higher than government borrowing. This scheme would be a great
    payback to wealthy donors to the three Atlas parties - they would be
    in a good position to buy shares cheaply with a similar ability to
    shareholders in the generating company to always achieve good returns
    - at the expense of those living in Auckland.

    It is also telling that they are admitting different arrangements will
    be required elsewhere . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon May 6 04:13:36 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/127603/government-will-pass-legislation-barring-council-or-crown-support-auckland%E2%80%99s

    The statement in the headline has been corrected - "An earlier version
    of this story incorrectly reported the Crown would be unable to
    financially support Watercare. While the Government won't guarantee >intervention in a crisis, it would be able to do so if required."

    It turns out that National's solution is pretty much what Labour
    investigated and eventually rejected as being too expensive -
    effectively it uses private financing, and would be set up so that in >difficult times (for example if Auckland had another major flooding or >earthquake event), the most likely result would be privatisation at a
    cheap price - it is more like a Thames Water model than similar to
    Scottish Water. . . .

    It is telling that the Government is not prepared to guarantee loans -
    there was a time when most local authorities borrowed, at a cost about
    0.5% higher than government borrowing. This scheme would be a great
    payback to wealthy donors to the three Atlas parties - they would be
    in a good position to buy shares cheaply with a similar ability to >shareholders in the generating company to always achieve good returns
    - at the expense of those living in Auckland.

    It is also telling that they are admitting different arrangements will
    be required elsewhere . . .
    Yes it certainly is telling, that this government is flexible and does not tell councils what to do. Refreshing change that.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon May 6 04:57:39 2024
    On 2024-05-06, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/127603/government-will-pass-legislation-barring-council-or-crown-support-auckland%E2%80%99s

    The statement in the headline has been corrected - "An earlier version
    of this story incorrectly reported the Crown would be unable to
    financially support Watercare. While the Government won't guarantee >>intervention in a crisis, it would be able to do so if required."

    It turns out that National's solution is pretty much what Labour >>investigated and eventually rejected as being too expensive -
    effectively it uses private financing, and would be set up so that in >>difficult times (for example if Auckland had another major flooding or >>earthquake event), the most likely result would be privatisation at a
    cheap price - it is more like a Thames Water model than similar to
    Scottish Water. . . .

    It is telling that the Government is not prepared to guarantee loans - >>there was a time when most local authorities borrowed, at a cost about
    0.5% higher than government borrowing. This scheme would be a great
    payback to wealthy donors to the three Atlas parties - they would be
    in a good position to buy shares cheaply with a similar ability to >>shareholders in the generating company to always achieve good returns
    - at the expense of those living in Auckland.

    It is also telling that they are admitting different arrangements will
    be required elsewhere . . .
    Yes it certainly is telling, that this government is flexible and does not tell
    councils what to do. Refreshing change that.

    The Government is also able to listen to the Council and negotate a deal. Unlike the Labour Goverments proposal and actions.

    The Council's borrowing will put the resposibility on the Council to make it work while fixing the issue of long term poor maintainence.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon May 6 06:49:32 2024
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-05-06, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/127603/government-will-pass-legislation-barring-council-or-crown-support-auckland%E2%80%99s

    The statement in the headline has been corrected - "An earlier version
    of this story incorrectly reported the Crown would be unable to >>>financially support Watercare. While the Government won't guarantee >>>intervention in a crisis, it would be able to do so if required."

    It turns out that National's solution is pretty much what Labour >>>investigated and eventually rejected as being too expensive -
    effectively it uses private financing, and would be set up so that in >>>difficult times (for example if Auckland had another major flooding or >>>earthquake event), the most likely result would be privatisation at a >>>cheap price - it is more like a Thames Water model than similar to >>>Scottish Water. . . .

    It is telling that the Government is not prepared to guarantee loans - >>>there was a time when most local authorities borrowed, at a cost about >>>0.5% higher than government borrowing. This scheme would be a great >>>payback to wealthy donors to the three Atlas parties - they would be
    in a good position to buy shares cheaply with a similar ability to >>>shareholders in the generating company to always achieve good returns
    - at the expense of those living in Auckland.

    It is also telling that they are admitting different arrangements will
    be required elsewhere . . .
    Yes it certainly is telling, that this government is flexible and does not >>tell
    councils what to do. Refreshing change that.

    The Government is also able to listen to the Council and negotate a deal. >Unlike the Labour Goverments proposal and actions.

    The Council's borrowing will put the resposibility on the Council to make it >work while fixing the issue of long term poor maintainence.
    And good riddance to co-governance (the opiate of the Labour party).

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon May 6 21:11:25 2024
    On 6 May 2024 04:57:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-05-06, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/127603/government-will-pass-legislation-barring-council-or-crown-support-auckland%E2%80%99s

    The statement in the headline has been corrected - "An earlier version
    of this story incorrectly reported the Crown would be unable to >>>financially support Watercare. While the Government won't guarantee >>>intervention in a crisis, it would be able to do so if required."

    It turns out that National's solution is pretty much what Labour >>>investigated and eventually rejected as being too expensive -
    effectively it uses private financing, and would be set up so that in >>>difficult times (for example if Auckland had another major flooding or >>>earthquake event), the most likely result would be privatisation at a >>>cheap price - it is more like a Thames Water model than similar to >>>Scottish Water. . . .

    It is telling that the Government is not prepared to guarantee loans - >>>there was a time when most local authorities borrowed, at a cost about >>>0.5% higher than government borrowing. This scheme would be a great >>>payback to wealthy donors to the three Atlas parties - they would be
    in a good position to buy shares cheaply with a similar ability to >>>shareholders in the generating company to always achieve good returns
    - at the expense of those living in Auckland.

    It is also telling that they are admitting different arrangements will
    be required elsewhere . . .
    Yes it certainly is telling, that this government is flexible and does not tell
    councils what to do. Refreshing change that.

    The Government is also able to listen to the Council and negotate a deal. >Unlike the Labour Goverments proposal and actions.
    The government initially said that they would not guarantee loan
    repayments; they have now said that they could step in if problems
    become too great but they have not promised to refuse permission for a
    sale of the water entity.


    The Council's borrowing will put the resposibility on the Council to make it >work while fixing the issue of long term poor maintainence.
    At enormous additional cost to New Zealand, and already Auckland are
    saying they do not want to have to pay anything for a neighbouring
    Council.

    Meantime, increasing regressive taxes will make rents increase while
    the wealthy who own their own homes will see prices rise . . . - and
    of course enable tax cuts that favour the wealthy . . .



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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon May 6 19:41:03 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 6 May 2024 04:57:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-05-06, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/127603/government-will-pass-legislation-barring-council-or-crown-support-auckland%E2%80%99s

    The statement in the headline has been corrected - "An earlier version >>>>of this story incorrectly reported the Crown would be unable to >>>>financially support Watercare. While the Government won't guarantee >>>>intervention in a crisis, it would be able to do so if required."

    It turns out that National's solution is pretty much what Labour >>>>investigated and eventually rejected as being too expensive - >>>>effectively it uses private financing, and would be set up so that in >>>>difficult times (for example if Auckland had another major flooding or >>>>earthquake event), the most likely result would be privatisation at a >>>>cheap price - it is more like a Thames Water model than similar to >>>>Scottish Water. . . .

    It is telling that the Government is not prepared to guarantee loans - >>>>there was a time when most local authorities borrowed, at a cost about >>>>0.5% higher than government borrowing. This scheme would be a great >>>>payback to wealthy donors to the three Atlas parties - they would be
    in a good position to buy shares cheaply with a similar ability to >>>>shareholders in the generating company to always achieve good returns
    - at the expense of those living in Auckland.

    It is also telling that they are admitting different arrangements will >>>>be required elsewhere . . .
    Yes it certainly is telling, that this government is flexible and does not >>>tell
    councils what to do. Refreshing change that.

    The Government is also able to listen to the Council and negotate a deal. >>Unlike the Labour Goverments proposal and actions.
    The government initially said that they would not guarantee loan
    repayments; they have now said that they could step in if problems
    become too great but they have not promised to refuse permission for a
    sale of the water entity.
    That is the job of government - to help peopl. Simple really!


    The Council's borrowing will put the resposibility on the Council to make it >>work while fixing the issue of long term poor maintainence.
    At enormous additional cost to New Zealand, and already Auckland are
    saying they do not want to have to pay anything for a neighbouring
    Council.
    That is a lie, there is no additional overall cost - sheer political fantasy on your behalf.

    Meantime, increasing regressive taxes will make rents increase while
    the wealthy who own their own homes will see prices rise . . . - and
    of course enable tax cuts that favour the wealthy . . .
    Another lie - the tax cuts are for lower paid folk.
    You have been reading Goebbels again?

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