On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game. They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are but they are incompetent.
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously >> expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland. >> https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just >imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half
their value. Whew!
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland. https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game. >They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are >but they are incompetent.
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously >>> expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just >>imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>their value. Whew!
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just >>>imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>their value. Whew!
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game. >>They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are
but they are incompetent.
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer,
rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has
a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to
lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Geez what an idiotic piece of prose, you certainly managed to confuse yourself there.
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our >>>>>ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or >>>>>Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just >>>>imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to
go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities
claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were
previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is
blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game. >>>They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council >>>are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils -
and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't
do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has
a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to
lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to
achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional
or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the
NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one
you had in mind, Crash?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just >>>>imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to
go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities
claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were
previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is
blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game. >>>They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils -
and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't
do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has
a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to
lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to
achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional
or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the
NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one
you had in mind, Crash?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just >>>>>imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to
go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is
blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils -
and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't
do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has
a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to
lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to
achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional
or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the
NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one
you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation?
I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central
government issues.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:18:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just
imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to
go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is >>>blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils -
and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't
do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has >>>>a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to >>>>lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to >>>achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional
or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the
NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one >>>you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation?
I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central
government issues.
push costs from central to local government - away from income tax.
Rates are tax-deductible for landlords, and increases in rents to
cover the balance lead to increases in value. What is not to like from
a "business perspective"?
On 2024-09-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I have never understood why people like Rich hate landlords, they provide an essential service and are entitled to a fair profit for doing so. But political rhetoric twists some people.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:18:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our >>>>>>>>ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or >>>>>>>>Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. >>>>>>>Just
imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to
go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>>>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>>>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>>>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is >>>>blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their >>>>>>game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon >>>>>>council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils -
and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't
do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has >>>>>a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to >>>>>lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to >>>>achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional
or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the
NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one >>>>you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation?
I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central
government issues.
push costs from central to local government - away from income tax.
Rates are tax-deductible for landlords, and increases in rents to
cover the balance lead to increases in value. What is not to like from
a "business perspective"?
Thought experiement, the Government makes sure that the private landlords
are not able to be paid for the work/service they provide, rooves over >peoples heads. There will be a great/huge shortage of housing, rentals will >be sky high. However the Landlords will be punished.
All good. This is what the new Left does.
On 2024-09-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:18:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. Just
imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to
go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>>>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>>>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>>>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is >>>>blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils -
and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't
do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has >>>>>a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to >>>>>lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to >>>>achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional
or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the
NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one >>>>you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation?
I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central
government issues.
push costs from central to local government - away from income tax.
Rates are tax-deductible for landlords, and increases in rents to
cover the balance lead to increases in value. What is not to like from
a "business perspective"?
Thought experiement, the Government makes sure that the private landlords
are not able to be paid for the work/service they provide, rooves over >peoples heads. There will be a great/huge shortage of housing, rentals will >be sky high. However the Landlords will be punished.
All good. This is what the new Left does.
On 16 Sep 2024 05:08:14 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Straight out of the Marxist handbook. Totally inappropriate for a democratic country.
On 2024-09-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:18:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our >>>>>>>>>ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or >>>>>>>>>Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. >>>>>>>>Just
imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half >>>>>>>>their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to >>>>>go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>>>>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>>>>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>>>>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is >>>>>blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their >>>>>>>game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon >>>>>>>council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils - >>>>>and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't >>>>>do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>>>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>>>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has >>>>>>a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to >>>>>>lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to >>>>>achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional >>>>>or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the >>>>>NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one >>>>>you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation?
I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central
government issues.
push costs from central to local government - away from income tax.
Rates are tax-deductible for landlords, and increases in rents to
cover the balance lead to increases in value. What is not to like from
a "business perspective"?
Thought experiement, the Government makes sure that the private landlords >>are not able to be paid for the work/service they provide, rooves over >>peoples heads. There will be a great/huge shortage of housing, rentals will >>be sky high. However the Landlords will be punished.
All good. This is what the new Left does.
Of course they do not - landlords have always been able to cover costs
by increasing rents - which increases income and hence capital value.
The impact on private owners is different - the change from
progressive income tax to a greater level of rates will for those on
lower incomes make it harder to meet costs, as wages will not be >automatically increased to meet the costs of house ownership.
Private rentals are good to have as an option for home owners - the
problem comes from so favouring that ownership that markets are
distorted. It is similar to the lack of competition between banks,
and between electricity providers, that leads to higher prices at the
expense of efficient market allocation of resources. It is what has
led to being a landlord becoming a better investment than owning
shares - so we sell our companies off to overseas owners - and also to
our having very high electricity prices and to our banks generating
high profits - lack of competition is not good for the country.
For housing, the best mix appears to be provision by the State for
those on the lowest incomes - but unfortunately National and Act are
not looking for efficient market mechanisms - they want the wealthy to
become wealthier, and long term that makes us all poorer than with
truly competitive markets . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Trust you to so categorise a fair and free market!
On 16 Sep 2024 05:08:14 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Straight out of the Marxist handbook. Totally inappropriate for a democratic >country.
On 2024-09-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:18:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to >>>> push costs from central to local government - away from income tax.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our >>>>>>>>>>ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or >>>>>>>>>>Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. >>>>>>>>>Just
imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to half
their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to >>>>>>go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>>>>>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>>>>>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>>>>>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is >>>>>>blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their >>>>>>>>game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon >>>>>>>>council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils - >>>>>>and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't >>>>>>do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>>>>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>>>>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has >>>>>>>a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to >>>>>>>lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to >>>>>>achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional >>>>>>or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the >>>>>>NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one >>>>>>you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation? >>>>>I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central >>>>>government issues.
Rates are tax-deductible for landlords, and increases in rents to
cover the balance lead to increases in value. What is not to like from >>>> a "business perspective"?
Thought experiement, the Government makes sure that the private landlords >>>are not able to be paid for the work/service they provide, rooves over >>>peoples heads. There will be a great/huge shortage of housing, rentals will >>>be sky high. However the Landlords will be punished.
All good. This is what the new Left does.
Of course they do not - landlords have always been able to cover costs
by increasing rents - which increases income and hence capital value.
The impact on private owners is different - the change from
progressive income tax to a greater level of rates will for those on
lower incomes make it harder to meet costs, as wages will not be >>automatically increased to meet the costs of house ownership.
Private rentals are good to have as an option for home owners - the
problem comes from so favouring that ownership that markets are
distorted. It is similar to the lack of competition between banks,
and between electricity providers, that leads to higher prices at the >>expense of efficient market allocation of resources. It is what has
led to being a landlord becoming a better investment than owning
shares - so we sell our companies off to overseas owners - and also to
our having very high electricity prices and to our banks generating
high profits - lack of competition is not good for the country.
For housing, the best mix appears to be provision by the State for
those on the lowest incomes - but unfortunately National and Act are
not looking for efficient market mechanisms - they want the wealthy to >>become wealthier, and long term that makes us all poorer than with
truly competitive markets . . .
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:52:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyYouir stupidity precedes you, I was of course referring to you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Trust you to so categorise a fair and free market!
On 16 Sep 2024 05:08:14 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Straight out of the Marxist handbook. Totally inappropriate for a democratic >>country.
On 2024-09-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:18:20 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 21:54:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:They are. They are supportive of the move by the ACT-led government to >>>>> push costs from central to local government - away from income tax.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:41:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:06:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
The Taxpayers' Union shows how to be non-partisan and hold our >>>>>>>>>>>ridiculously
expensive councils to account. Glad I don't live in Wellington or >>>>>>>>>>>Auckland.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/20240907_newsletter
One thing for sure transparency is still mess in action.
Interesting figure about the NZ rates almost twice the world average. >>>>>>>>>>Just
imagine standing on a ticket for election to get the rates down to >>>>>>>>>>half
their value. Whew!
They are going up because the Atlas network wants to top tax rate to >>>>>>>go down. The conservative (National) candidates for local authorities >>>>>>>claimed that keeping rates low showed good management - now central >>>>>>>government has increased rates by passing a lot of costs that were >>>>>>>previously largely met by government to local authorities - and is >>>>>>>blaming their own people for keeping rates low . . .
Yes that is persuasvie, Luxon was correct in telling them to fix their >>>>>>>>>game.
They will push back however, just like the idiots in the Wellingon >>>>>>>>>council are
but they are incompetent.
Wellington rates are increasing by less than some other Councils - >>>>>>>and we are also finding out that the then National government didn't >>>>>>>do a particularly good job in Christchurch . . .
My personal view is that the NZTU needs to remain focused on taxpayer, >>>>>>>>rather than ratepayer interests. It also needs to remain focused on >>>>>>>>nationwide, rather than local, issues. I understand that the NZTU has >>>>>>>>a 'sister 'organisation' in Auckland and IMHO they would be wise to >>>>>>>>lave local body issues to similar local organisations.
That depends on what you think the NZ Taxpayers Union is trying to >>>>>>>achieve - they represent less government, whether at local, regional >>>>>>>or national level. Other organisations after the same thing are the >>>>>>>NZ Initiative and NZ Centre for Political Research - which was the one >>>>>>>you had in mind, Crash?
What is it that leads you to believe I had any existing organisation? >>>>>>I am simply advocating that the NZTU stay focused on central >>>>>>government issues.
Rates are tax-deductible for landlords, and increases in rents to
cover the balance lead to increases in value. What is not to like from >>>>> a "business perspective"?
Thought experiement, the Government makes sure that the private landlords >>>>are not able to be paid for the work/service they provide, rooves over >>>>peoples heads. There will be a great/huge shortage of housing, rentals will >>>>be sky high. However the Landlords will be punished.
All good. This is what the new Left does.
Of course they do not - landlords have always been able to cover costs
by increasing rents - which increases income and hence capital value.
The impact on private owners is different - the change from
progressive income tax to a greater level of rates will for those on >>>lower incomes make it harder to meet costs, as wages will not be >>>automatically increased to meet the costs of house ownership.
Private rentals are good to have as an option for home owners - the >>>problem comes from so favouring that ownership that markets are >>>distorted. It is similar to the lack of competition between banks,
and between electricity providers, that leads to higher prices at the >>>expense of efficient market allocation of resources. It is what has
led to being a landlord becoming a better investment than owning
shares - so we sell our companies off to overseas owners - and also to >>>our having very high electricity prices and to our banks generating
high profits - lack of competition is not good for the country.
For housing, the best mix appears to be provision by the State for
those on the lowest incomes - but unfortunately National and Act are
not looking for efficient market mechanisms - they want the wealthy to >>>become wealthier, and long term that makes us all poorer than with
truly competitive markets . . .
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