To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s origins, this
latest episode has added more. Why were the results of the swabs
taken in the early months of Covid-19 withheld from the scientific
community for more than three years? Why did the first version of
the Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon dog DNA? And
why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded to Gisaid – left
online long enough to be discovered – and then removed from public
view?
I have an idea why.
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were the results of the swabs
taken in the early months of Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community for more than three years? Why did the first version of
the Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon dog DNA? And
why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded to Gisaid – left
online long enough to be discovered – and then removed from public
view?
I have an idea why.Yes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence of wet
markets after they claimed to have solved the problem following the
SARS-1 outbreak.
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s origins,Yes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence of wet
this latest episode has added more. Why were the results of the
swabs taken in the early months of Covid-19 withheld from the
scientific community for more than three years? Why did the first
version of the Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon
dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded to
Gisaid – left online long enough to be discovered – and then
removed from public view?
I have an idea why.
markets after they claimed to have solved the problem following
the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then there was and
now the files are off limits again. I wonder how easy it is to create
and manipulate a DNA file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually
manipulating the DNA like China was doing.
And the final question.....no one ever found a covid-19 infected coon > dog. Why?
And FWIW, I don't think the Chinese CCP knows what embarrassment is. Everything is an opportunity to manipulate and exploit. But they
never screw up.
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s origins,Yes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence of wet
this latest episode has added more. Why were the results of the
swabs taken in the early months of Covid-19 withheld from the
scientific community for more than three years? Why did the first
version of the Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon
dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded to
Gisaid – left online long enough to be discovered – and then
removed from public view?
I have an idea why.
markets after they claimed to have solved the problem following
the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then there was andThat's where the "statement against interest" comes in. Why fake
now the files are off limits again. I wonder how easy it is to create
and manipulate a DNA file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually manipulating the DNA like China was doing.
something that makes you look bad?
Western scientists used different
tools to find the non-human genetic material.
They may be "off limits" but the files do exist.
And the final question.....no one ever found a covid-19 infected coon > dog. Why?It's been studied:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33089771/
"Susceptibility of Raccoon Dogs for Experimental SARS-CoV-2 Infection
Abstract
Raccoon dogs might have been intermediate hosts for severe acute
respiratory syndrome-associated coronavirus in 2002-2004. We
demonstrated susceptibility of raccoon dogs to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection and transmission to in-contact animals. Infected animals had no signs of illness..."
So raccoon dogs could be asymptomatic. Whether the Chinese found
infected specimens is an open question.
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's where the "statement against interest" comes in. Why fake
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s origins,Yes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence of wet
this latest episode has added more. Why were the results of the
swabs taken in the early months of Covid-19 withheld from the
scientific community for more than three years? Why did the first
version of the Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon
dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded to
Gisaid – left online long enough to be discovered – and then
removed from public view?
I have an idea why.
markets after they claimed to have solved the problem following
the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then there was and
now the files are off limits again. I wonder how easy it is to create
and manipulate a DNA file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually
manipulating the DNA like China was doing.
something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question?
How about this....because the truth makes you look really really bad
in a worst ever mass murderer sort of bad.
Western scientists used different tools to find the non-human genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog sequence
in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
They may be "off limits" but the files do exist.
And the final question.....no one ever found a covid-19 infected coon > dog. Why?It's been studied:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33089771/
But they never found an infected coon doggy.
"Susceptibility of Raccoon Dogs for Experimental SARS-CoV-2 Infection
Abstract
Raccoon dogs might have been intermediate hosts for severe acute
respiratory syndrome-associated coronavirus in 2002-2004. We
demonstrated susceptibility of raccoon dogs to severe acute respiratory
syndrome coronavirus 2 infection and transmission to in-contact animals.
Infected animals had no signs of illness..."
So raccoon dogs could be asymptomatic. Whether the Chinese found
infected specimens is an open question.
No it isn't. If they did....we would know about it.
I know....maybe humans are the intermediate hosts infecting coon dogs!
On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:That's where the "statement against interest" comes in. Why fake
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s origins,Yes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence of wet
this latest episode has added more. Why were the results of the
swabs taken in the early months of Covid-19 withheld from the
scientific community for more than three years? Why did the first >>>>> version of the Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon
dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded to
Gisaid – left online long enough to be discovered – and then
removed from public view?
I have an idea why.
markets after they claimed to have solved the problem following
the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then there was and
now the files are off limits again. I wonder how easy it is to create >>> and manipulate a DNA file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually
manipulating the DNA like China was doing.
something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question?There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was teased out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
How about this....because the truth makes you look really really bad
in a worst ever mass murderer sort of bad.
If they were attempting
scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter egg in files kept hidden for years
with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures necessary to
find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown novels and conspiracy theories. >> Western scientists used different tools to find the non-human genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog sequenceDNA sequences are derived from genetic material.
in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was teased
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109That's where the "statement against interest" comes in. Why
wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’sYes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence
origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were the
results of the swabs taken in the early months of
Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community for more
than three years? Why did the first version of the
Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon dog
DNA? And why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded
to Gisaid – left online long enough to be discovered –
and then removed from public view?
I have an idea why.
of wet markets after they claimed to have solved the
problem following the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then there
was and now the files are off limits again. I wonder how easy
it is to create and manipulate a DNA file? I bet it's a lot
easier than actually manipulating the DNA like China was
doing.
fake something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question? How about this....because
the truth makes you look really really bad in a worst ever mass
murderer sort of bad.
out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
and Stephen goes into his own lala land of the tease.
If they were attempting scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter egg in
files kept hidden for years
They weren't hidden for years. They just put 'em on the database
"long enough to be discovered" and find the coon dog sequence and
then poof....they get locked.
with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures necessary
to find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown novels and
conspiracy theories.
DNA sequences are derived from genetic material.Western scientists used different tools to find the non-human
genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog
sequence in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
or they can be made up.
How do you write A DNA sequence? Image result for what does a dna
sequence look like When representing both strands of the DNA
molecule, we need to write both the forward and reverse strands,
following the Watson-Crick rule of A=T and G=C. In this example, the
second sequence shown is the reverse strand and is the complement of
the forward strand.
Here's your DNA ATG TAC
It's kind of short.
On 3/29/23 1:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was teased
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109That's where the "statement against interest" comes in. Why
wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’sYes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the presence
origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were the
results of the swabs taken in the early months of
Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community for more
than three years? Why did the first version of the
Chinese study claim not to have found any raccoon dog
DNA? And why were the genetic sequences quietly uploaded
to Gisaid – left online long enough to be discovered –
and then removed from public view?
I have an idea why.
of wet markets after they claimed to have solved the
problem following the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then there
was and now the files are off limits again. I wonder how easy
it is to create and manipulate a DNA file? I bet it's a lot
easier than actually manipulating the DNA like China was
doing.
fake something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question? How about this....because
the truth makes you look really really bad in a worst ever mass
murderer sort of bad.
out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
and Stephen goes into his own lala land of the tease.I see you aren't familiar with the details of the study and how the sequences in question were discovered and/or are playing keyword bingo again.
If they were attempting scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter egg in
files kept hidden for years
They weren't hidden for years. They just put 'em on the databasehttps://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences
"long enough to be discovered" and find the coon dog sequence and
then poof....they get locked.
"...the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly
raise questions about why the Chinese team—which includes the former
head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (China
CDC), George Gao—did not make the sequences public earlier."
Not public = hidden
The years are the difference between when the data was collected then sequenced and when it was posted on GISAID.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZCSH_S_MIlK
"On or before 9 March 2023, raw sequence data from these market samples, obtained via metatranscriptomic sequencing, were made public through the GISAID SARS-CoV-2 sequence repository, shared by the scientific team responsible for the environmental sampling at the Huanan market. A scientific team lead by the Chinese CDC released a preprint based on
these metagenomic data in February 2022, reporting the presence of human nucleic acids in the samples positive for SARS-CoV-2;"
Preprint Feb 2022 -> data posted Feb 2023 from samples taken 2020
with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures necessary
to find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown novels and
conspiracy theories.
DNA sequences are derived from genetic material.Western scientists used different tools to find the non-human
genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog
sequence in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
or they can be made up.No one has credibly made that claim.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:06:59 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:"...the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly
On 3/29/23 1:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:I see you aren't familiar with the details of the study and how
On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was
wrote:
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109That's where the "statement against interest" comes in.
wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’sYes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the
origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were
the results of the swabs taken in the early months
of Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community
for more than three years? Why did the first version
of the Chinese study claim not to have found any
raccoon dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences
quietly uploaded to Gisaid – left online long enough
to be discovered – and then removed from public
view?
I have an idea why.
presence of wet markets after they claimed to have
solved the problem following the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then
there was and now the files are off limits again. I
wonder how easy it is to create and manipulate a DNA
file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually manipulating
the DNA like China was doing.
Why fake something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question? How about
this....because the truth makes you look really really bad in
a worst ever mass murderer sort of bad.
teased out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
and Stephen goes into his own lala land of the tease.
the sequences in question were discovered and/or are playing
keyword bingo again.
https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences >>If they were attempting scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter
egg in files kept hidden for years
They weren't hidden for years. They just put 'em on the database
"long enough to be discovered" and find the coon dog sequence
and then poof....they get locked.
raise questions about why the Chinese team—which includes the
former head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and
Prevention (China CDC), George Gao—did not make the sequences
public earlier."
Not public = hidden
The years are the difference between when the data was collected
then sequenced and when it was posted on GISAID.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZCSH_S_MIlK
"On or before 9 March 2023, raw sequence data from these market
samples, obtained via metatranscriptomic sequencing, were made
public through the GISAID SARS-CoV-2 sequence repository, shared by
the scientific team responsible for the environmental sampling at
the Huanan market. A scientific team lead by the Chinese CDC
released a preprint based on these metagenomic data in February
2022, reporting the presence of human nucleic acids in the samples
positive for SARS-CoV-2;"
Preprint Feb 2022 -> data posted Feb 2023 from samples taken 2020
No one has credibly made that claim.with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures
necessary to find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown
novels and conspiracy theories.
DNA sequences are derived from genetic material.Western scientists used different tools to find the
non-human genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog
sequence in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
or they can be made up.
Because no one in the field is so stupid not to realize that's a
possibility.
Explain this. The original CCCP "analysis" of the data found noThe non-human DNA was misidentified because the Chinese used a
animal DNA present. Now suddenly in the newly available database
"In some cases, the amount of animal genetic material was greater
than the amount of human genetic material, consistent with the
presence of SARS-CoV-2 in these samples being due to animal
infections."
How the fuck did the original analysis miss all that non-human DNA?
This whole thing stinks of a massive ruse.
And then...suddenly the data is no longer available for further
analysis.
Time to void the BS GISAID rules developed to protect these
egocentric scientists and their need to be first to publish. Put the
full database out there so people can analyze it. Better yet....make
the "swabs" available. Actually...that's useless too. They could
easily swab someone with covid and then claim it was from your piano
bench. You been eating coon dog again?
On 3/29/23 8:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:06:59 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:"...the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly
On 3/29/23 1:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:I see you aren't familiar with the details of the study and how
On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was
wrote:
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109That's where the "statement against interest" comes in.
wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’sYes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the
origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were
the results of the swabs taken in the early months
of Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community
for more than three years? Why did the first version
of the Chinese study claim not to have found any
raccoon dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences
quietly uploaded to Gisaid – left online long enough
to be discovered – and then removed from public
view?
I have an idea why.
presence of wet markets after they claimed to have
solved the problem following the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then
there was and now the files are off limits again. I
wonder how easy it is to create and manipulate a DNA
file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually manipulating
the DNA like China was doing.
Why fake something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question? How about
this....because the truth makes you look really really bad in
a worst ever mass murderer sort of bad.
teased out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
and Stephen goes into his own lala land of the tease.
the sequences in question were discovered and/or are playing
keyword bingo again.
https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequencesIf they were attempting scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter
egg in files kept hidden for years
They weren't hidden for years. They just put 'em on the database
"long enough to be discovered" and find the coon dog sequence
and then poof....they get locked.
raise questions about why the Chinese team—which includes the
former head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and
Prevention (China CDC), George Gao—did not make the sequences
public earlier."
Not public = hidden
The years are the difference between when the data was collected
then sequenced and when it was posted on GISAID.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZCSH_S_MIlK
"On or before 9 March 2023, raw sequence data from these market
samples, obtained via metatranscriptomic sequencing, were made
public through the GISAID SARS-CoV-2 sequence repository, shared by
the scientific team responsible for the environmental sampling at
the Huanan market. A scientific team lead by the Chinese CDC
released a preprint based on these metagenomic data in February
2022, reporting the presence of human nucleic acids in the samples
positive for SARS-CoV-2;"
Preprint Feb 2022 -> data posted Feb 2023 from samples taken 2020
No one has credibly made that claim.with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures
necessary to find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown
novels and conspiracy theories.
DNA sequences are derived from genetic material.Western scientists used different tools to find the
non-human genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog
sequence in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
or they can be made up.
Because no one in the field is so stupid not to realize that's a possibility.That's quite the nest of negatives there. I don't think you've said what
you mean.
Yes, these are scientists and it's unlikely you've thought of something
they haven't considered, especially if you find it obvious.
Explain this. The original CCCP "analysis" of the data found no
animal DNA present. Now suddenly in the newly available database
"In some cases, the amount of animal genetic material was greater
than the amount of human genetic material, consistent with the
presence of SARS-CoV-2 in these samples being due to animal
infections."
How the fuck did the original analysis miss all that non-human DNA?The non-human DNA was misidentified because the Chinese used a
less-rigorous analytic method.
This whole thing stinks of a massive ruse.
And then...suddenly the data is no longer available for furtherThere's that Chinese transparency you know and love. The data still
analysis.
exists, btw, and is available on "open-access repositories" according to
an updated preprint of the Chinese paper.
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:08:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/29/23 8:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:06:59 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:"...the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly
On 3/29/23 1:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:I see you aren't familiar with the details of the study and how
On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was
wrote:
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109That's where the "statement against interest" comes in.
wrote:
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’sYes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the
origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were
the results of the swabs taken in the early months
of Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community
for more than three years? Why did the first version
of the Chinese study claim not to have found any
raccoon dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences
quietly uploaded to Gisaid – left online long enough
to be discovered – and then removed from public
view?
I have an idea why.
presence of wet markets after they claimed to have
solved the problem following the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then
there was and now the files are off limits again. I
wonder how easy it is to create and manipulate a DNA
file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually manipulating
the DNA like China was doing.
Why fake something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question? How about
this....because the truth makes you look really really bad in
a worst ever mass murderer sort of bad.
teased out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
and Stephen goes into his own lala land of the tease.
the sequences in question were discovered and/or are playing
keyword bingo again.
https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences >>>>If they were attempting scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter
egg in files kept hidden for years
They weren't hidden for years. They just put 'em on the database
"long enough to be discovered" and find the coon dog sequence
and then poof....they get locked.
That's quite the nest of negatives there. I don't think you've said whatraise questions about why the Chinese team—which includes the
former head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and
Prevention (China CDC), George Gao—did not make the sequences
public earlier."
Not public = hidden
The years are the difference between when the data was collected
then sequenced and when it was posted on GISAID.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZCSH_S_MIlK
"On or before 9 March 2023, raw sequence data from these market
samples, obtained via metatranscriptomic sequencing, were made
public through the GISAID SARS-CoV-2 sequence repository, shared by
the scientific team responsible for the environmental sampling at
the Huanan market. A scientific team lead by the Chinese CDC
released a preprint based on these metagenomic data in February
2022, reporting the presence of human nucleic acids in the samples
positive for SARS-CoV-2;"
Preprint Feb 2022 -> data posted Feb 2023 from samples taken 2020
No one has credibly made that claim.with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures
necessary to find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown
novels and conspiracy theories.
DNA sequences are derived from genetic material.Western scientists used different tools to find the
non-human genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog
sequence in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
or they can be made up.
Because no one in the field is so stupid not to realize that's a
possibility.
you mean.
Then you must know what I mean...good enough. Go with that.
I have no desire to debate with you a slightly above 2nd grade sentence structure.
Yes, these are scientists and it's unlikely you've thought of something
they haven't considered, especially if you find it obvious.
Explain this. The original CCCP "analysis" of the data found noThe non-human DNA was misidentified because the Chinese used a
animal DNA present. Now suddenly in the newly available database
"In some cases, the amount of animal genetic material was greater
than the amount of human genetic material, consistent with the
presence of SARS-CoV-2 in these samples being due to animal
infections."
How the fuck did the original analysis miss all that non-human DNA?
less-rigorous analytic method.
I've seen zero proof of that in your sources. Go fetch.
And even if true...how much does that speak for the competence of the source of all
this "data"? Not much.
This whole thing stinks of a massive ruse.There's that Chinese transparency you know and love. The data still
And then...suddenly the data is no longer available for further
analysis.
exists, btw, and is available on "open-access repositories" according to
an updated preprint of the Chinese paper.
Not according to your non-Chicom sources.
On 3/30/23 1:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:08:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/29/23 8:39 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 12:06:59 PM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:"...the data’s discovery and subsequent disappearance will certainly >>>> raise questions about why the Chinese team—which includes the
On 3/29/23 1:25 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:22:19 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote: >>>>>> On 3/28/23 7:44 PM, ScottW wrote:I see you aren't familiar with the details of the study and how
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 12:31:44 PM UTC-7, mINE109There's no sign anything was faked and new animal info was
wrote:
On 3/28/23 12:00 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:40:53 AM UTC-7, mINE109 >>>>>>>>> wrote:That's where the "statement against interest" comes in.
On 3/28/23 11:38 AM, ScottW wrote:
To the storm of questions swirling around Covid-19’s >>>>>>>>>>> origins, this latest episode has added more. Why were >>>>>>>>>>> the results of the swabs taken in the early monthsYes, the Chinese government was embarrassed by the
of Covid-19 withheld from the scientific community
for more than three years? Why did the first version
of the Chinese study claim not to have found any
raccoon dog DNA? And why were the genetic sequences
quietly uploaded to Gisaid – left online long enough >>>>>>>>>>> to be discovered – and then removed from public
view?
I have an idea why.
presence of wet markets after they claimed to have
solved the problem following the SARS-1 outbreak.
Yeah....sure. First there was no racoon dog and then
there was and now the files are off limits again. I
wonder how easy it is to create and manipulate a DNA
file? I bet it's a lot easier than actually manipulating
the DNA like China was doing.
Why fake something that makes you look bad?
You really need to ask that question? How about
this....because the truth makes you look really really bad in >>>>>>> a worst ever mass murderer sort of bad.
teased out of data in a way the Chinese didn't expect.
and Stephen goes into his own lala land of the tease.
the sequences in question were discovered and/or are playing
keyword bingo again.
https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequencesIf they were attempting scientific disinfo, hiding an Easter
egg in files kept hidden for years
They weren't hidden for years. They just put 'em on the database
"long enough to be discovered" and find the coon dog sequence
and then poof....they get locked.
That's quite the nest of negatives there. I don't think you've said what >> you mean.former head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and
Prevention (China CDC), George Gao—did not make the sequences
public earlier."
Not public = hidden
The years are the difference between when the data was collected
then sequenced and when it was posted on GISAID.
https://zenodo.org/record/7754299#.ZCSH_S_MIlK
"On or before 9 March 2023, raw sequence data from these market
samples, obtained via metatranscriptomic sequencing, were made
public through the GISAID SARS-CoV-2 sequence repository, shared by >>>> the scientific team responsible for the environmental sampling at
the Huanan market. A scientific team lead by the Chinese CDC
released a preprint based on these metagenomic data in February
2022, reporting the presence of human nucleic acids in the samples
positive for SARS-CoV-2;"
Preprint Feb 2022 -> data posted Feb 2023 from samples taken 2020 >>>>>> with DNA sequences only apparent with special procedures
No one has credibly made that claim.necessary to find them is the stuff of fantasy, Dan Brown
novels and conspiracy theories.
DNA sequences are derived from genetic material.Western scientists used different tools to find the
non-human genetic material.
They didn't find genetic material....they found coon dog
sequence in a file of DNA sequences. Stop lying.
or they can be made up.
Because no one in the field is so stupid not to realize that's a
possibility.
Then you must know what I mean...good enough. Go with that.So, you're stupid enough to realize it's a possibility but they're not?
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:52:41 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
On 3/30/23 1:09 PM, ScottW wrote:
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:08:21 AM UTC-7, mINE109 wrote:
So, you're stupid enough to realize it's a possibility but they're not?That's quite the nest of negatives there. I don't think you've said what >>>> you mean.No one has credibly made that claim.
Because no one in the field is so stupid not to realize that's a
possibility.
Then you must know what I mean...good enough. Go with that.
What a surprise. Stephen doesn't know what he says he thinks he knows.
He can't even make sense of what he thinks he knows.
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