• Do the math on SS battery charging

    From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 24 16:22:11 2023
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.

    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize air.

    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV running through it.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Nov 25 09:33:01 2023
    On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity
    that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.

    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't
    pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize
    air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally
    obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV
    running through it.

    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little
    short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's
    future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40%
    reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it
    in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square
    battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick
    charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 25 08:30:35 2023
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity
    that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity.
    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?
    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)

    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't
    pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize
    air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally
    obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV
    running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little
    short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's
    future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure
    to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this transition of transportation to electric vehicles.

    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40% reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it
    in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square
    battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Sat Nov 25 13:30:53 2023
    On 11/25/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity
    that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity.

    If no power is lost, how does the asphalt melt?

    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?

    How much music theory did you take?

    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)

    I'm guessing the real math for recharging is more complicated than that.

    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/

    The Kia Genesis can fully recharge in 32 minutes while the Lucid Air can
    add a hundred-mile amount of charge in eight minutes.

    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't
    pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize
    air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally
    obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the
    asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV
    running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little
    short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's
    future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure
    to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition
    or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this transition of transportation to electric vehicles.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/11/14/could-solid-state-batteries-supercharge-electric-vehicles/?sh=7c5fa646592c

    Looks like EVs and plants both crave electrolytes.

    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40%
    reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it
    in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square
    battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick
    charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?

    No, so we'll know what you're talking about. If it's so obvious fast
    charge times require superconduction or risk melting asphalt, you'd
    think there'd be some mention of that somewhere.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 09:13:37 2023
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/25/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity
    that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity.
    If no power is lost, how does the asphalt melt?

    You're desperately obfuscating again.

    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?
    How much music theory did you take?

    Are we discussing music theory or are you still obfuscating?

    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)
    I'm guessing the real math for recharging is more complicated than that.

    It is...and the results will be even more daunting to implementation.

    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/

    The Kia Genesis can fully recharge in 32 minutes while the Lucid Air can
    add a hundred-mile amount of charge in eight minutes.

    Oh boy....Thanks for proving an e-car is probably ok (if the grid can ever handle it)
    for the average needs of a daily commuter. 
    So why is every e-car designer chasing the holy grail of SS battery ranges?

    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't
    pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize
    air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally
    obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the
    asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV
    running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little
    short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's
    future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition
    or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this transition of transportation to electric vehicles.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/11/14/could-solid-state-batteries-supercharge-electric-vehicles/?sh=7c5fa646592c

    Looks like EVs and plants both crave electrolytes.

    More irrelevant random e-car article for piano teachers.


    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40%
    reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it >> in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square
    battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick >> charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?
    No, so we'll know what you're talking about. If it's so obvious fast
    charge times require superconduction or risk melting asphalt, you'd
    think there'd be some mention of that somewhere.

    I gave you the simple math and still you can't wrap your pea brain around it.
    How many amps at how many volts are required
    to transfer 238 kWh of energy in 10 minutes?
    If you can't comprehend this simple question....you have no business ever discussing the viability
    of e-cars replacing fossil fuels ever again.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Tue Nov 28 11:41:24 2023
    On 11/28/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/25/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity
    that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity.
    If no power is lost, how does the asphalt melt?

    You're desperately obfuscating again.

    It's a direct response to your claim.

    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?
    How much music theory did you take?

    Are we discussing music theory or are you still obfuscating?

    It speaks to the validity of your question.

    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)
    I'm guessing the real math for recharging is more complicated than that.

    It is...and the results will be even more daunting to implementation.

    What do you know that Toyota doesn't?

    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/

    The Kia Genesis can fully recharge in 32 minutes while the Lucid Air can
    add a hundred-mile amount of charge in eight minutes.

    Oh boy....Thanks for proving an e-car is probably ok (if the grid can ever handle it)

    The grid can handle it.

    https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

    "[I]f EVs accounted for 100% of new vehicle sales by 2035, it would take
    until 2050 for almost all vehicles on the road to be electric
    vehicles... On average, meeting this new electricity demand for
    passenger EVs will only require about 1% per year growth in electricity production. This is well below the 3.2% average annual growth rate for
    the electricity generation over the past 70 years."

    For your inevitable quibbling, follow the link.

    for the average needs of a daily commuter.
    So why is every e-car designer chasing the holy grail of SS battery ranges?

    Efficiency. Faster charging. Cheaper storage.

    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't
    pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize
    air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally
    obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the
    asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV
    running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little >>>> short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's
    future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure >>> to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition
    or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this
    transition of transportation to electric vehicles.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/11/14/could-solid-state-batteries-supercharge-electric-vehicles/?sh=7c5fa646592c

    Looks like EVs and plants both crave electrolytes.

    More irrelevant random e-car article for piano teachers.

    It's background on the tech in question in order to respond to your
    point and yet another cultural reference lost on you.

    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40%
    reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it >>>> in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square
    battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick >>>> charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?
    No, so we'll know what you're talking about. If it's so obvious fast
    charge times require superconduction or risk melting asphalt, you'd
    think there'd be some mention of that somewhere.

    I gave you the simple math and still you can't wrap your pea brain around it.

    Siri, how much electricity is needed to "ionize air"?

    How many amps at how many volts are required
    to transfer 238 kWh of energy in 10 minutes?
    If you can't comprehend this simple question....you have no business ever discussing the viability
    of e-cars replacing fossil fuels ever again.

    Nonsense. You yourself agreed the question is "more complicated" and
    "even more daunting" than that.

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 28 20:32:19 2023
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/28/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/25/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity >>>>> that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity.
    If no power is lost, how does the asphalt melt?

    You're desperately obfuscating again.
    It's a direct response to your claim.
    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?
    How much music theory did you take?

    Are we discussing music theory or are you still obfuscating?
    It speaks to the validity of your question.
    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)
    I'm guessing the real math for recharging is more complicated than that.

    It is...and the results will be even more daunting to implementation.
    What do you know that Toyota doesn't?
    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/ >>
    The Kia Genesis can fully recharge in 32 minutes while the Lucid Air can >> add a hundred-mile amount of charge in eight minutes.

    Oh boy....Thanks for proving an e-car is probably ok (if the grid can ever handle it)
    The grid can handle it.

    https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

    "[I]f EVs accounted for 100% of new vehicle sales by 2035, it would take until 2050 for almost all vehicles on the road to be electric
    vehicles... On average, meeting this new electricity demand for
    passenger EVs will only require about 1% per year growth in electricity production. This is well below the 3.2% average annual growth rate for
    the electricity generation over the past 70 years."

    You're going to bank on a history of fossil fuel driven energy growth to repeat? Good luck with that.


    For your inevitable quibbling, follow the link.
    for the average needs of a daily commuter.
    So why is every e-car designer chasing the holy grail of SS battery ranges?
    Efficiency. Faster charging. Cheaper storage.
    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't >>>>> pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize
    air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally
    obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the >>>>> asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV
    running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little >>>> short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's >>>> future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure
    to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition
    or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this >>> transition of transportation to electric vehicles.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/11/14/could-solid-state-batteries-supercharge-electric-vehicles/?sh=7c5fa646592c

    Looks like EVs and plants both crave electrolytes.

    More irrelevant random e-car article for piano teachers.
    It's background on the tech in question in order to respond to your
    point and yet another cultural reference lost on you.
    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40% >>>> reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it >>>> in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square
    battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick >>>> charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?
    No, so we'll know what you're talking about. If it's so obvious fast
    charge times require superconduction or risk melting asphalt, you'd
    think there'd be some mention of that somewhere.

    I gave you the simple math and still you can't wrap your pea brain around it.
    Siri, how much electricity is needed to "ionize air"?

    Siri is smarter than you are.

    When the electric field becomes very strong (on the order of tens of thousands of volts per inch), conditions are ripe for the air to begin breaking down. The electric field causes the surrounding air to become separated into positive ions and electrons â
    €” the air is ionized.May 5, 2022

    Air Ionization - Science | HowStuffWorks

    HowStuffWorks
    https://science.howstuffworks.com › ... › Natural Disasters



    How many amps at how many volts are required
    to transfer 238 kWh of energy in 10 minutes?
    If you can't comprehend this simple question....you have no business ever discussing the viability
    of e-cars replacing fossil fuels ever again.
    Nonsense. You yourself agreed the question is "more complicated" and
    "even more daunting" than that.

    I let you off the hook to answer a far simpler best case scenario....and you failed.....again.

    ScottW

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  • From MINe109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Wed Nov 29 07:48:07 2023
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 10:32:21 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/28/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/25/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity >>>>> that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.

    Look here! Amps, volts, resistance. Where have we heard of those together?

    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity.
    If no power is lost, how does the asphalt melt?

    You're desperately obfuscating again.
    It's a direct response to your claim.
    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?
    How much music theory did you take?

    Are we discussing music theory or are you still obfuscating?
    It speaks to the validity of your question.
    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)
    I'm guessing the real math for recharging is more complicated than that.

    It is...and the results will be even more daunting to implementation.
    What do you know that Toyota doesn't?
    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/

    The Kia Genesis can fully recharge in 32 minutes while the Lucid Air can
    add a hundred-mile amount of charge in eight minutes.

    Oh boy....Thanks for proving an e-car is probably ok (if the grid can ever handle it)
    The grid can handle it.

    https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

    "[I]f EVs accounted for 100% of new vehicle sales by 2035, it would take until 2050 for almost all vehicles on the road to be electric
    vehicles... On average, meeting this new electricity demand for
    passenger EVs will only require about 1% per year growth in electricity production. This is well below the 3.2% average annual growth rate for
    the electricity generation over the past 70 years."
    You're going to bank on a history of fossil fuel driven energy growth to repeat? Good luck with that.

    For your inevitable quibbling, follow the link.

    If you'd done this, you'd have found:

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/summary-report-evs-scale-and-us-electric-power-system-2019

    "U.S. electric power system added an average dispatchable generating capacity of 12 GW per year, with years that exceeded 25 GW when including intermittent resources. In an unmanaged charging scenario intentionally chosen as an illustrative worst case,
    12 GW of dispatchable generating capacity is equivalent to the aggregate demand of nearly 6 million new EVs. This accounts to 1 to 3 times the projected EV market growth through 2030 in the high and medium scenarios respectively."

    for the average needs of a daily commuter.
    So why is every e-car designer chasing the holy grail of SS battery ranges?
    Efficiency. Faster charging. Cheaper storage.
    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't >>>>> pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize >>>>> air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally >>>>> obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the >>>>> asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV >>>>> running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little
    short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's >>>> future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure
    to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition
    or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this >>> transition of transportation to electric vehicles.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/11/14/could-solid-state-batteries-supercharge-electric-vehicles/?sh=7c5fa646592c

    Looks like EVs and plants both crave electrolytes.

    More irrelevant random e-car article for piano teachers.
    It's background on the tech in question in order to respond to your
    point and yet another cultural reference lost on you.
    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40% >>>> reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it
    in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in
    cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square >>>> battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick
    charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers.

    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?
    No, so we'll know what you're talking about. If it's so obvious fast
    charge times require superconduction or risk melting asphalt, you'd
    think there'd be some mention of that somewhere.

    I gave you the simple math and still you can't wrap your pea brain around it.
    Siri, how much electricity is needed to "ionize air"?
    Siri is smarter than you are.

    <snip>

    Air Ionization - Science | HowStuffWorks

    HowStuffWorks
    https://science.howstuffworks.com › ... › Natural Disasters

    Congrats! You've proven my point that search engines exist.

    How many amps at how many volts are required
    to transfer 238 kWh of energy in 10 minutes?
    If you can't comprehend this simple question....you have no business ever discussing the viability
    of e-cars replacing fossil fuels ever again.
    Nonsense. You yourself agreed the question is "more complicated" and
    "even more daunting" than that.
    I let you off the hook to answer a far simpler best case scenario....and you failed.....again.

    https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/ohms-law

    I don't see a time component there. Gas is $2.50/gallon: how long does it take to refuel?

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  • From ScottW@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 29 19:18:32 2023
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:48:09 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 10:32:21 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 9:41:30 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/28/23 11:13 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 11:30:57 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote:
    On 11/25/23 10:30 AM, ScottW wrote:
    On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 7:33:07 AM UTC-8, mINE109 wrote: >>>> On 11/24/23 6:22 PM, ScottW wrote:
    Toyota's new SS claims are a battery with 238 kWh storage capacity >>>>> that can be recharged in 10 min.

    I'll let you do the math on amps vs volts of that charger.
    Maybe solid state batteries will have less resistance.
    Look here! Amps, volts, resistance. Where have we heard of those together?
    That would be "lost" power.
    That isn't even taken into account in filling the storage capacity. >> If no power is lost, how does the asphalt melt?

    You're desperately obfuscating again.
    It's a direct response to your claim.
    Did you ever take a single basic electronics class?
    How much music theory did you take?

    Are we discussing music theory or are you still obfuscating?
    It speaks to the validity of your question.
    Here's all you need.
    V(volts) x I (amps) = Power (watts)
    I'm guessing the real math for recharging is more complicated than that.

    It is...and the results will be even more daunting to implementation.
    What do you know that Toyota doesn't?
    Meanwhile, in the real world:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/

    The Kia Genesis can fully recharge in 32 minutes while the Lucid Air can
    add a hundred-mile amount of charge in eight minutes.

    Oh boy....Thanks for proving an e-car is probably ok (if the grid can ever handle it)
    The grid can handle it.

    https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

    "[I]f EVs accounted for 100% of new vehicle sales by 2035, it would take until 2050 for almost all vehicles on the road to be electric vehicles... On average, meeting this new electricity demand for passenger EVs will only require about 1% per year growth in electricity production. This is well below the 3.2% average annual growth rate for the electricity generation over the past 70 years."
    You're going to bank on a history of fossil fuel driven energy growth to repeat? Good luck with that.

    For your inevitable quibbling, follow the link.
    If you'd done this, you'd have found:

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/summary-report-evs-scale-and-us-electric-power-system-2019

    "U.S. electric power system added an average dispatchable generating capacity of 12 GW per year, with years that exceeded 25 GW when including intermittent resources. In an unmanaged charging scenario intentionally chosen as an illustrative worst case,
    12 GW of dispatchable generating capacity is equivalent to the aggregate demand of nearly 6 million new EVs.

    And we have 290M vehicles on the roads. Last year 13.5 M cars and light trucks were sold. Joe's record. Of course under Trump in his first year some 17.5M cars and light trucks were sold. So you can see how feebel the 6M number really is....and
    most of that electricity is already required by current demand.

    This accounts to 1 to 3 times the projected EV market growth through 2030 in the high and medium scenarios respectively."

    Lucky the EV market is shit or we'd be rationing electricity.

    for the average needs of a daily commuter.
    So why is every e-car designer chasing the holy grail of SS battery ranges?
    Efficiency. Faster charging. Cheaper storage.
    They can't keep the Tesla fast chargers up. But one of these
    suckers is either going to require a copper line you probably can't
    pick up due to it's weight or run at a voltage that could ionize >>>>> air.
    Needless to say...every charging station in existence is totally >>>>> obsolete and the only thing they won't have to replace might be the
    asphalt.....unless asphalt is flammable with a 1000 amps at 10kV >>>>> running through it.
    Looks like you didn't read an original press release. This is a little
    short of technical details, but it might help you separate Toyota's >>>> future goals from their short-term implementations:

    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39330500.html

    Zero mention of what all these goals require from charging infrastructure
    to implement. Not one mention.

    Why do you suppose that is? Is that a "not my problem" hint?
    Perhaps they've decided the gov't has to deal with that end of this transition
    or perhaps they simply have no solution.

    Developing and designing the cars is probably the easiest part of this
    transition of transportation to electric vehicles.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriewinkless/2023/11/14/could-solid-state-batteries-supercharge-electric-vehicles/?sh=7c5fa646592c

    Looks like EVs and plants both crave electrolytes.

    More irrelevant random e-car article for piano teachers.
    It's background on the tech in question in order to respond to your point and yet another cultural reference lost on you.
    Next gen: "We are aiming for a 20% increase in cruising range, a 40%
    reduction in cost, and quick recharging in 30 minutes or less
    (SOC=10-80%) compared to the current bZ4X and considering installing it
    in BEVs in the popular price range."

    Down the road (2027-28): "We are looking at a 20% improvement in >>>> cruising range*1 compared to the performance version of the square >>>> battery shown in 1., while costs are under scrutiny, aiming for a quick
    charge time of 10 minutes or less (SOC=10-80%)."

    You'll need to show how this means using present-day rechargers. >>>
    I'll have to? LoL. Why? So you can live in a dream world?
    No, so we'll know what you're talking about. If it's so obvious fast >> charge times require superconduction or risk melting asphalt, you'd >> think there'd be some mention of that somewhere.

    I gave you the simple math and still you can't wrap your pea brain around it.
    Siri, how much electricity is needed to "ionize air"?
    Siri is smarter than you are.
    <snip>
    Air Ionization - Science | HowStuffWorks

    HowStuffWorks
    https://science.howstuffworks.com › ... › Natural Disasters
    Congrats! You've proven my point that search engines exist.

    That's your point? Stephen pats himself on his ass for pointing out the obvious.

    How many amps at how many volts are required
    to transfer 238 kWh of energy in 10 minutes?
    If you can't comprehend this simple question....you have no business ever discussing the viability
    of e-cars replacing fossil fuels ever again.
    Nonsense. You yourself agreed the question is "more complicated" and "even more daunting" than that.
    I let you off the hook to answer a far simpler best case scenario....and you failed.....again.
    https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/ohms-law

    I don't see a time component there.

    What part of 10 minutes is blinding you?

    Gas is $2.50/gallon: how long does it take to refuel?

    You are so stupid. An insult to every teacher who ever taught you.

    ScottW

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  • From mINE109@21:1/5 to ScottW on Thu Nov 30 10:04:43 2023
    On 11/29/23 9:18 PM, ScottW wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:48:09 AM UTC-8, MINe109 wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 10:32:21 PM UTC-6, ScottW wrote:

    Oh boy....Thanks for proving an e-car is probably ok (if the
    grid can ever handle it)
    The grid can handle it.

    https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/research/blog-can-the-grid-handle-evs-yes/

    For your inevitable quibbling, follow the link.
    If you'd done this, you'd have found:

    https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/summary-report-evs-scale-and-us-electric-power-system-2019

    "U.S. electric power system added an average dispatchable generating
    capacity of 12 GW per year, with years that exceeded 25 GW when
    including intermittent resources. In an unmanaged charging scenario intentionally chosen as an illustrative worst case, 12 GW of
    dispatchable generating capacity is equivalent to the aggregate demand
    of nearly 6 million new EVs.

    And we have 290M vehicles on the roads. Last year 13.5 M cars and
    light trucks were sold. Joe's record. Of course under Trump in his
    first year some 17.5M cars and light trucks were sold. So you can
    see how feebel the 6M number really is....and most of that
    electricity is already required by current demand.

    "Current demand"! Well-done! Also well-spotted is your adoption of the "unmanaged charging scenario intentionally chosen as an illustrative
    worst case" as your reference.

    This accounts to 1 to 3 times the projected EV market growth
    through 2030 in the high and medium scenarios respectively."

    Lucky the EV market is shit or we'd be rationing electricity.

    Glad you can stick to your gut-reactions in the face of real evidence to
    the contrary.

    <snip>

    How many amps at how many volts are required to transfer 238
    kWh of energy in 10 minutes? If you can't comprehend this
    simple question....you have no business ever discussing the
    viability of e-cars replacing fossil fuels ever again.
    Nonsense. You yourself agreed the question is "more
    complicated" and "even more daunting" than that.
    I let you off the hook to answer a far simpler best case
    scenario....and you failed.....again.
    https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/ohms-law

    I don't see a time component there.

    What part of 10 minutes is blinding you?

    There at the link.

    Gas is $2.50/gallon: how long does it take to refuel?

    You are so stupid. An insult to every teacher who ever taught you.

    Since you're the one trying to teach, maybe it's your problem. If you're teaching as you were taught, that's more of a reflection on every
    teacher who ever taught you.

    If you claim that Toyota's charging goals will result in ionization and
    melted asphalt, you need to back that up with more applicable modeling
    than what one can get in "a single basic electronics class" or
    unsolicited pop quizzes on Ohm's Law.

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