• Help optimizing CNC lathe part

    From Dean Verhoeven@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 15 06:10:57 2022
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    - Are the 0.010" fillets I have drawn reasonable (not too small)?
    - suggestions for SS material to specify that will be easy to machine and have a nice finish?

    TIA for any thoughts, dean

    This is the pivot for an improved lid shutter on my (Joeveo) coffee mugs. Bosses are to be staked to retain the wave spring washer and the shutter. I'll be looking for a shop to make these too--get in touch if you'd like to quote.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 15 12:55:42 2022
    "Dean Verhoeven" wrote in message news:2bc6af9e-6b6a-407b-a1ea-1122cb29bb17n@googlegroups.com...

    This is the pivot for an improved lid shutter on my (Joeveo) coffee mugs. Bosses are to be staked to retain the wave spring washer and the shutter.
    I'll be looking for a shop to make these too--get in touch if you'd like to quote.

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    Is the heat-regulating material potassium carbonate?

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  • From Dean Verhoeven@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Jun 15 12:35:04 2022
    On Wednesday, June 15, 2022 at 12:55:50 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Dean Verhoeven" wrote in message news:2bc6af9e-6b6a-407b...@googlegroups.com...
    This is the pivot for an improved lid shutter on my (Joeveo) coffee mugs. Bosses are to be staked to retain the wave spring washer and the shutter. I'll be looking for a shop to make these too--get in touch if you'd like to quote.
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    Is the heat-regulating material potassium carbonate?

    It's a wax with melting point around 140°F.

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Dean Verhoeven on Mon Jun 27 03:08:21 2022
    Dean Verhoeven <dean@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    - Are the 0.010" fillets I have drawn reasonable (not too small)?
    - suggestions for SS material to specify that will be easy to machine and have a nice finish?

    TIA for any thoughts, dean

    This is the pivot for an improved lid shutter on my (Joeveo) coffee mugs. Bosses are to be staked to retain the wave spring washer and the shutter. I'll be looking for a shop to make these too--get in touch if you'd like to quote.

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Dean Verhoeven on Mon Jun 27 06:22:29 2022
    Dean Verhoeven <dean@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?

    Why is a bolt for a coffee cup so complex? Why does a coffee cup even need
    all this nonsense?

    All that's missing are english threads, or something adorable like M7x0.8, exotic alloys, ceramic bearings or seals or vent channels, like for high
    vacuum equipment. Don't forget to leave room for the thermocouple.

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  • From Dean Verhoeven@21:1/5 to Cydrome Leader on Mon Jun 27 05:33:08 2022
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:22:33 AM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    Why is a bolt for a coffee cup so complex? Why does a coffee cup even need all this nonsense?

    All that's missing are english threads, or something adorable like M7x0.8, exotic alloys, ceramic bearings or seals or vent channels, like for high vacuum equipment. Don't forget to leave room for the thermocouple.

    Our customers, many of them anyway, would like to be able to put their mug in a backpack or purse without fear of coffee leaks. I'd like to accommodate them with a leak-proof, easy-to-open/close/clean lid.

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Dean Verhoeven on Mon Jun 27 17:12:25 2022
    Dean Verhoeven <dean@joeveo.com> wrote:
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:22:33 AM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    Why is a bolt for a coffee cup so complex? Why does a coffee cup even need >> all this nonsense?

    All that's missing are english threads, or something adorable like M7x0.8, >> exotic alloys, ceramic bearings or seals or vent channels, like for high
    vacuum equipment. Don't forget to leave room for the thermocouple.

    Our customers, many of them anyway, would like to be able to put their
    mug in a backpack or purse without fear of coffee leaks. I'd like to accommodate them with a leak-proof, easy-to-open/close/clean lid.

    How do you clean the crevices for staked on springs on a lid with through
    holes to what looks like the wet side?

    Maybe I'll invent something called a "thermos" with vacuum insulation and
    a leak proof lid, one that even doubles as a cup.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 27 21:19:29 2022
    "Dean Verhoeven" wrote in message news:14ffcce9-ab0b-4d21-b02c-b0de653eb6d0n@googlegroups.com...

    Our customers, many of them anyway, would like to be able to put their mug
    in a backpack or purse without fear of coffee leaks. I'd like to
    accommodate
    them with a leak-proof, easy-to-open/close/clean lid.

    Avex / Coleman / Contigo / China..... https://www.amazon.com/Contigo-AUTOSEAL-Vaccuum-Insulated-Stainless-Travel/dp/B00HZI5XBG?th=1
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076JLCN2D/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

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  • From Dean Verhoeven@21:1/5 to Cydrome Leader on Tue Jun 28 06:41:02 2022
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 1:12:29 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:22:33 AM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC lathe)
    .

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    Why is a bolt for a coffee cup so complex? Why does a coffee cup even need
    all this nonsense?

    All that's missing are english threads, or something adorable like M7x0.8,
    exotic alloys, ceramic bearings or seals or vent channels, like for high >> vacuum equipment. Don't forget to leave room for the thermocouple.

    Our customers, many of them anyway, would like to be able to put their
    mug in a backpack or purse without fear of coffee leaks. I'd like to accommodate them with a leak-proof, easy-to-open/close/clean lid.
    How do you clean the crevices for staked on springs on a lid with through holes to what looks like the wet side?

    Maybe I'll invent something called a "thermos" with vacuum insulation and
    a leak proof lid, one that even doubles as a cup.

    If the clearances are right, you'll be able to put the shutter in the silverware basket of your dishwasher and it will get thoroughly cleaned.

    There are lots of vacuum-insulated travel mugs on the market (as Jim notes), but they all aim to keep your coffee as hot as possible. Mine keeps your coffee at a comfortable drinking temperature. You can drink it right away without burning your mouth,
    and it stays hot for hours.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 28 21:24:17 2022
    "Dean Verhoeven" wrote in message news:e05bf438-0058-418d-b316-2507d7c7a58cn@googlegroups.com...

    If the clearances are right, you'll be able to put the shutter in the silverware basket of your dishwasher and it will get thoroughly cleaned.

    There are lots of vacuum-insulated travel mugs on the market (as Jim notes), but they all aim to keep your coffee as hot as possible. Mine keeps your
    coffee at a comfortable drinking temperature. You can drink it right away without burning your mouth, and it stays hot for hours.

    -------------------------

    As a hands-on experimenter and prototyper I'd like to see a time vs
    temperature graph, if you have one. If not I can tell you how to log temperature, voltage and current data for $35 per optically isolated
    channel.

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  • From Gerry@21:1/5 to dean@joeveo.com on Tue Jun 28 23:13:40 2022
    On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT), Dean Verhoeven
    <dean@joeveo.com> wrote:

    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 1:12:29 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:22:33 AM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC
    lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    Why is a bolt for a coffee cup so complex? Why does a coffee cup even need
    all this nonsense?

    All that's missing are english threads, or something adorable like M7x0.8,
    exotic alloys, ceramic bearings or seals or vent channels, like for high >> >> vacuum equipment. Don't forget to leave room for the thermocouple.

    Our customers, many of them anyway, would like to be able to put their
    mug in a backpack or purse without fear of coffee leaks. I'd like to
    accommodate them with a leak-proof, easy-to-open/close/clean lid.
    How do you clean the crevices for staked on springs on a lid with through
    holes to what looks like the wet side?

    Maybe I'll invent something called a "thermos" with vacuum insulation and
    a leak proof lid, one that even doubles as a cup.

    If the clearances are right, you'll be able to put the shutter in the silverware basket of your dishwasher and it will get thoroughly cleaned.

    Don't bet your life on that!
    There are lots of vacuum-insulated travel mugs on the market (as Jim notes), but they all aim to keep your coffee as hot as possible. Mine keeps your coffee at a comfortable drinking temperature. You can drink it right away without burning your mouth,
    and it stays hot for hours.

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  • From Dean Verhoeven@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Jun 28 19:37:59 2022
    On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 9:24:30 PM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Dean Verhoeven" wrote in message news:e05bf438-0058-418d...@googlegroups.com...
    If the clearances are right, you'll be able to put the shutter in the silverware basket of your dishwasher and it will get thoroughly cleaned.

    There are lots of vacuum-insulated travel mugs on the market (as Jim notes), but they all aim to keep your coffee as hot as possible. Mine keeps your coffee at a comfortable drinking temperature. You can drink it right away without burning your mouth, and it stays hot for hours. -------------------------

    As a hands-on experimenter and prototyper I'd like to see a time vs temperature graph, if you have one. If not I can tell you how to log temperature, voltage and current data for $35 per optically isolated
    channel.

    The graph is on joeveo.com on the "Temperfect Tech" page (https://joeveo.com/pages/the-temperfect-mug). Measured with a USB-TC interface from Measurement Computing and a program I wrote under Linux to get the numbers from it. No optical isolation though.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 29 06:56:43 2022
    "Dean Verhoeven" wrote in message news:914a1536-d043-412a-8f49-83e1d315b223n@googlegroups.com...

    The graph is on joeveo.com on the "Temperfect Tech" page (https://joeveo.com/pages/the-temperfect-mug). Measured with a USB-TC
    interface from Measurement Computing and a program I wrote under Linux to
    get the numbers from it. No optical isolation though.

    -------------------

    Thanks, that's nice.

    I was asked to build a version of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat energy source and quickly noticed questionable experimental procedure and dubious
    explanations, so I limited my participation to advice. For your project I'm
    not going to do a free patent search for lid seal mechanisms. I've already dodged one patent lawsuit.

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  • From Cydrome Leader@21:1/5 to Dean Verhoeven on Wed Jun 29 20:42:35 2022
    Dean Verhoeven <dean@joeveo.com> wrote:
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 1:12:29 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 2:22:33 AM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
    Dean Verhoeven <de...@joeveo.com> wrote:
    Esteemed RCM'ers: I'm designing a part that'll be produced on a CNC lathe and am looking for "design for manufacturing" help from anyone who has more knowledge of CNC lathes than I (that's about everyone, since I have never worked with a CNC
    lathe).

    Here's the design as it stands:
    https://i.imgur.com/vf1ql78.jpg

    I'm thinking:

    1) pick up knurling tool, knurl
    2) RH tool, shape crown, then bevel for next knurl
    3) LH tool, finish head enough to cut face groove
    4) some tool, cut face groove
    5) LH tool, finish profile of part
    6) thread tool, thread
    7) parting tool, part off

    That seems like a lot of tool changes.

    - Any ideas on simplifying this? design tweaks to make it easier?
    Why is a bolt for a coffee cup so complex? Why does a coffee cup even need
    all this nonsense?

    All that's missing are english threads, or something adorable like M7x0.8,
    exotic alloys, ceramic bearings or seals or vent channels, like for high >> >> vacuum equipment. Don't forget to leave room for the thermocouple.

    Our customers, many of them anyway, would like to be able to put their
    mug in a backpack or purse without fear of coffee leaks. I'd like to
    accommodate them with a leak-proof, easy-to-open/close/clean lid.
    How do you clean the crevices for staked on springs on a lid with through
    holes to what looks like the wet side?

    Maybe I'll invent something called a "thermos" with vacuum insulation and
    a leak proof lid, one that even doubles as a cup.

    If the clearances are right, you'll be able to put the shutter in the silverware basket of your dishwasher and it will get thoroughly cleaned.

    Yeah, nothing like 900 parts to toss in a dishwasher.

    There are lots of vacuum-insulated travel mugs on the market (as Jim
    notes), but they all aim to keep your coffee as hot as possible. Mine
    keeps your coffee at a comfortable drinking temperature. You can drink
    it right away without burning your mouth, and it stays hot for hours.

    Any how does some rediculous rube-goldberg lid help with that? It sounds
    like there's some phase change material for temp control, which sounds
    stellar until you look at the absurd container, a problem that was solved
    long ago.

    If you need complexity to seem sophisticated, buy some Zojirushi coffee thermoses with the pushbutton spout, drill a hole in the body and replace
    the vacuum with your wax.

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