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    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 24 22:59:08 2022
    Got a set of plans from the Logan Lathe email list , looks like I'll
    soon be finding out if it's worth all the work . I started to make one
    several years ago , and it just wasn't coming together . Turns out it
    was simply a matter of scale , I was building something that was better
    suited to a much larger and more powerful lathe than my Logan/Wards 10 x
    31 .
    The body of the one I'm building now is only 2x2x1 1.25 inches , much
    smaller than my original vision ... I've got the parts all at the point
    where tomorrow I'll start to cut dovetails . My only reservation so far
    is cutter height , I'll have to cut a recess in the top of the tool
    holder blocks at the adjustment screw to be sure I can raise the tool
    holder blocks high enough for the cutting edge to be on center with some
    cutter profiles . I may end up going back to the lantern toolpost ...
    time will tell !
    So far I've used only material I have on hand . Looks like the only
    things I'll have to purchase is the setscrews for the tool bits . All
    the brass bits will be made of cartridge cases (damaged or calibers I
    don't shoot) I will or have already melted down and cast into round
    stock . Everything else is salvaged stock from wherever . I even know
    what most of it is !
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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 25 07:18:22 2022
    "Snag" wrote in message news:te6s2d$3ipel$1@dont-email.me...

    ...I was building something that was better suited to a much larger
    and more powerful lathe than my Logan/Wards 10 x 31 .

    ------------------

    A Multifix tool post had been very satisfactory on my old 10" South Bend,
    which is too worn and loose for carbide bits. Like a lantern post it rotates (indexes) to position a hand-ground HSS bit in an Armstrong-type tool holder
    to cut both lengthwise and crosswise, as long as the point angle is less
    than 80 degrees, since it indexes in 9 degree steps.

    I found a second hand Original Swiss size A post with a few holders and
    added some Chinese tool holders which fit perfectly.

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/multifix/ https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/multifix-toolpost-sizes.202847/

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Aug 25 08:36:50 2022
    On 8/25/2022 6:18 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:te6s2d$3ipel$1@dont-email.me...

    ...I was building something that was better suited to a much larger
    and more powerful lathe than my Logan/Wards 10 x 31 .

    ------------------

    A Multifix tool post had been very satisfactory on my old 10" South
    Bend, which is too worn and loose for carbide bits. Like a lantern post
    it rotates (indexes) to position a hand-ground HSS bit in an
    Armstrong-type tool holder to cut both lengthwise and crosswise, as long
    as the point angle is less than 80 degrees, since it indexes in 9 degree steps.

    I found a second hand Original Swiss size A post with a few holders and
    added some Chinese tool holders which fit perfectly.

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/multifix/ https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/multifix-toolpost-sizes.202847/



    I've seen those in videos , but they cost money ... besides ,
    spending time out in the shop is a Good Thing . Keeps me outta my wife's
    hair .
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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Aug 25 12:25:20 2022
    "Snag" wrote in message news:te7ttj$3lhaq$1@dont-email.me...

    On 8/25/2022 6:18 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Multifix tool post ...

    I've seen those in videos , but they cost money ... besides ,
    spending time out in the shop is a Good Thing . Keeps me outta my wife's
    hair .

    -------------------

    Genuine new ones certainly cost, more than I think they are worth, but my second-hand set and the extra Chinese tool holders weren't too bad.

    That day I went to the second-hand tool store looking for a dovetail type to replace the lantern post I'd made from a bolt.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Aug 25 11:00:45 2022
    On 8/25/2022 4:18 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:te6s2d$3ipel$1@dont-email.me...

    ...I was building something that was better suited to a much larger
    and more powerful lathe than my Logan/Wards 10 x 31 .

    ------------------

    A Multifix tool post had been very satisfactory on my old 10" South
    Bend, which is too worn and loose for carbide bits. Like a lantern post
    it rotates (indexes) to position a hand-ground HSS bit in an
    Armstrong-type tool holder to cut both lengthwise and crosswise, as long
    as the point angle is less than 80 degrees, since it indexes in 9 degree steps.

    I found a second hand Original Swiss size A post with a few holders and
    added some Chinese tool holders which fit perfectly.

    http://www.lathes.co.uk/multifix/ https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/multifix-toolpost-sizes.202847/




    Unless you are getting chatter why can't you use carbide? As long as
    tool pressure is constant it shouldn't matter.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Thu Aug 25 10:59:08 2022
    On 8/25/2022 10:55 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 8/24/2022 8:59 PM, Snag wrote:
       Got a set of plans from the Logan Lathe email list , looks like
    I'll soon be finding out if it's worth all the work . I started to
    make one several years ago , and it just wasn't coming together .
    Turns out it was simply a matter of scale , I was building something
    that was better suited to a much larger and more powerful lathe than
    my Logan/Wards 10 x 31 .
      The body of the one I'm building now is only 2x2x1 1.25 inches ,
    much smaller than my original vision ... I've got the parts all at the
    point where tomorrow I'll start to cut dovetails . My only reservation
    so far is cutter height , I'll have to cut a recess in the top of the
    tool holder blocks at the adjustment screw to be sure I can raise the
    tool holder blocks high enough for the cutting edge to be on center
    with some cutter profiles . I may end up going back to the lantern
    toolpost ... time will tell !
       So far I've used only material I have on hand . Looks like the only
    things I'll have to purchase is the setscrews for the tool bits . All
    the brass bits will be made of cartridge cases (damaged or calibers I
    don't shoot) I will or have already melted down and cast into round
    stock . Everything else is salvaged stock from wherever . I even know
    what most of it is !

    If you do much work using multiple tools its definitely worth it.  While tool height (depending on your tool post) might not be perfect from use
    to use, it will be "close enough" if you use proper height settable tool holders.  This alone will save you time over stacking shims.  Of course there is a basic time savings just from the inherent nature of quick
    change tool holders on a quick change tool post.

    One of the things I see often on the pro snobs machinists groups is guys commenting on and maybe even sneering at the number tool holders
    hobbyists and home shop machinists have.  The thing is I can pick up a boring bar I haven't used in weeks, drop it on the machine, and its set
    close enough for my one off job.

    When I am doing things more production oriented (multiple parts the
    same) I have all the tools I will need for that job ready to go.  Except
    to change speeds I can run from facing to parting and everything in
    between without ever shutting off the spindle.  I followed this up on
    the tail stock as well.  I have multiple screwless chucks,


    *****************
    That was supposed to be "Keyless" chucks. Not screwless. I actually
    use a spanner on them, and I never have a drill slip in one. Now it
    will probably happen since I said it. LOL. I talked about it before.
    I bought a decent one with the for the South Bend mill, and I liked it
    so much I decided to see if "cheap" ones worked as well for the lathe.
    They do. I mentioned that here before.
    *****************

    collet chucks
    and tapered drill (some in adapter sleeves) so I can slide the tail
    stock back, swap the tool, and slide it up again very fast.  I do use
    Jacobs style scroll chucks, but I use them like just another tool holder
    with a tool mounted semi permanently or atleast for the course of that job.

    On the flip side if you just enjoy the machining, there is a great deal
    of pleasure from making your own tool holders, adapters, bushings, as needed.  You can make "holders" for tools you might never be able to use
    in a conventional 4 way tool post.  The best part is even your not so
    great holders will mostly still work.  There is a great deal of
    tolerance in turning tool setups.

    Even back in the days when all I had was the little HF 7x10 I found a
    quick change tool post handy from the first day I used it.



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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Thu Aug 25 10:55:40 2022
    On 8/24/2022 8:59 PM, Snag wrote:
      Got a set of plans from the Logan Lathe email list , looks like I'll
    soon be finding out if it's worth all the work . I started to make one several years ago , and it just wasn't coming together . Turns out it
    was simply a matter of scale , I was building something that was better suited to a much larger and more powerful lathe than my Logan/Wards 10 x
    31 .
     The body of the one I'm building now is only 2x2x1 1.25 inches , much smaller than my original vision ... I've got the parts all at the point
    where tomorrow I'll start to cut dovetails . My only reservation so far
    is cutter height , I'll have to cut a recess in the top of the tool
    holder blocks at the adjustment screw to be sure I can raise the tool
    holder blocks high enough for the cutting edge to be on center with some cutter profiles . I may end up going back to the lantern toolpost ...
    time will tell !
      So far I've used only material I have on hand . Looks like the only things I'll have to purchase is the setscrews for the tool bits . All
    the brass bits will be made of cartridge cases (damaged or calibers I
    don't shoot) I will or have already melted down and cast into round
    stock . Everything else is salvaged stock from wherever . I even know
    what most of it is !

    If you do much work using multiple tools its definitely worth it. While
    tool height (depending on your tool post) might not be perfect from use
    to use, it will be "close enough" if you use proper height settable tool holders. This alone will save you time over stacking shims. Of course
    there is a basic time savings just from the inherent nature of quick
    change tool holders on a quick change tool post.

    One of the things I see often on the pro snobs machinists groups is guys commenting on and maybe even sneering at the number tool holders
    hobbyists and home shop machinists have. The thing is I can pick up a
    boring bar I haven't used in weeks, drop it on the machine, and its set
    close enough for my one off job.

    When I am doing things more production oriented (multiple parts the
    same) I have all the tools I will need for that job ready to go. Except
    to change speeds I can run from facing to parting and everything in
    between without ever shutting off the spindle. I followed this up on
    the tail stock as well. I have multiple screwless chucks, collet chucks
    and tapered drill (some in adapter sleeves) so I can slide the tail
    stock back, swap the tool, and slide it up again very fast. I do use
    Jacobs style scroll chucks, but I use them like just another tool holder
    with a tool mounted semi permanently or atleast for the course of that
    job.

    On the flip side if you just enjoy the machining, there is a great deal
    of pleasure from making your own tool holders, adapters, bushings, as
    needed. You can make "holders" for tools you might never be able to use
    in a conventional 4 way tool post. The best part is even your not so
    great holders will mostly still work. There is a great deal of
    tolerance in turning tool setups.

    Even back in the days when all I had was the little HF 7x10 I found a
    quick change tool post handy from the first day I used it.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 25 18:28:46 2022
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:te8dcc$rlr$2@gioia.aioe.org...
    On 8/25/2022 4:18 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

    Unless you are getting chatter why can't you use carbide? As long as
    tool pressure is constant it shouldn't matter.
    -----------------
    I don't know why carbide chips so easily. Maybe I should have bought C2
    instead of C6??

    The lathe is worn enough that I have to adjust the gibs for the tightest
    area and then it's looser elsewhere. I surface-ground the base of the
    compound which helped a lot but I can't grind the vee ways similarly, and my $100 surface grinder is in worse condition than the lathe. I do have the Machine Tool Reconditioning book and some precision straightedges and
    squares I found at auctions.

    Despite its age and wear the lathe does everything I want it to. Often I
    make one part to some degree of friction fit with another so creeping up on final size isn't an issue.

    The most recent is a type T PVC conduit tee that houses a 50A current shunt. The volt/amp readout is in a small box that swivels on the shortened and grooved central spout. It's one of the power monitors I discussed with Bob Prohaska on alt.energy.homepower.

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