• Re: Vacuum pump question

    From Arturo Zárate@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 16:03:40 2023
    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it is used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 13:10:30 2023
    "Arturo Zárate" wrote in message news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it is used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

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    This is a good resource for medical equipment if you don't have dealer
    support where you are.
    http://www.frankshospitalworkshop.com/index.html

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 10:29:31 2023
    On 1/12/2023 9:03 AM, Arturo Zárate wrote:
    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it is
    used Ford it , could You please give me the información?



    Just search vacuum pump oil. Its probably a generic light mineral oil
    since in many applications you are supposed to replace it after each use
    or two. If you have used it on a compressor burnout system and/or its
    an expensive pump every time.



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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 12 13:00:19 2023
    "Arturo Zárate" wrote in message news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it is used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

    -------------------------

    It's a medical pump so the industrial oil types may not be right for it.

    http://www.wemed1.com/downloads/dl/file/id/6748/product/4409/manual_for_suc_g_400_401_402_403_404.pdf

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Jan 13 09:24:56 2023
    On 1/12/2023 11:00 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Arturo Zárate"  wrote in message news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it is
    used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

    -------------------------

    It's a medical pump so the industrial oil types may not be right for it.

    http://www.wemed1.com/downloads/dl/file/id/6748/product/4409/manual_for_suc_g_400_401_402_403_404.pdf




    Likely "they say" its been filtered and chemically tested to make sure
    its "pure" light mineral oil, a medical label has been slapped on it,
    and the accountant chortled evilly as he slapped a 10000% markup on it.

    Kinda like a Black & Decker bone drill. (No shit.)

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Jan 13 13:15:47 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tps0kp$qel$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 1/12/2023 11:00 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Arturo Zárate" wrote in message news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it is
    used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

    -------------------------

    It's a medical pump so the industrial oil types may not be right for it.

    http://www.wemed1.com/downloads/dl/file/id/6748/product/4409/manual_for_suc_g_400_401_402_403_404.pdf

    Likely "they say" its been filtered and chemically tested to make sure
    its "pure" light mineral oil, a medical label has been slapped on it,
    and the accountant chortled evilly as he slapped a 10000% markup on it.

    Kinda like a Black & Decker bone drill. (No shit.)

    -----------------------

    I worked in the medical industry and know what you mean, that environment is substantially controlled by the threats of lawsuits and government (mis)management. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
    Like ISO9000 you are covered if you followed the procedures. I can't stop
    him from filling it with used motor oil, but he's been warned.

    Don't use second-hand vacuum pump oil from a chemistry lab or semiconductor
    fab line.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsine

    When the opportunity arose I bought a wheelchair with title so I'll have it
    the moment when needed, not months later. I had been the executor of an
    elderly gentleman who was in it for many years, and after he died the
    supplier offered to sell it cheap. I've loaned it out to needy friends while they waited for paperwork and used it myself when my knee went out.

    Back when I was servicing manual and powered wheelchairs between high tech
    R&D jobs an armrest pad that should cost $5 in Walmart went for $50 when
    billed to Medicare. For that price I'd reupholster it, a skill I learned as
    a stagehand. This "post-industrial" society struggles to support more and
    more people on less and less created value.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Fri Jan 13 14:10:46 2023
    On 1/13/2023 11:15 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:tps0kp$qel$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 1/12/2023 11:00 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Arturo Zárate"  wrote in message
    news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it
    is used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

    -------------------------

    It's a medical pump so the industrial oil types may not be right for it.

    http://www.wemed1.com/downloads/dl/file/id/6748/product/4409/manual_for_suc_g_400_401_402_403_404.pdf

    Likely "they say" its been filtered and chemically tested to make sure
    its "pure" light mineral oil, a medical label has been slapped on it,
    and the accountant chortled evilly as he slapped a 10000% markup on it.

    Kinda like a Black & Decker bone drill.  (No shit.)

    -----------------------

    I worked in the medical industry and know what you mean, that
    environment is substantially controlled by the threats of lawsuits and government (mis)management. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
    Like ISO9000 you are covered if you followed the procedures. I can't
    stop him from filling it with used motor oil, but he's been warned.

    Don't use second-hand vacuum pump oil from a chemistry lab or
    semiconductor fab line.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsine

    When the opportunity arose I bought a wheelchair with title so I'll have
    it the moment when needed, not months later. I had been the executor of
    an elderly gentleman who was in it for many years, and after he died the supplier offered to sell it cheap. I've loaned it out to needy friends
    while they waited for paperwork and used it myself when my knee went out.

    Back when I was servicing manual and powered wheelchairs between high
    tech R&D jobs an armrest pad that should cost $5 in Walmart went for $50
    when billed to Medicare. For that price I'd reupholster it, a skill I
    learned as a stagehand. This "post-industrial" society struggles to
    support more and more people on less and less created value.


    My wife talks about being in med school and they literally used a Black
    & Decker drill for orthopedics, then later they were told it had to have
    a medical certification. The only difference was the color of the
    plastic... and the price. I may have the details off a little, but
    that is the gist of it.




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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Fri Jan 13 14:24:20 2023
    On 1/13/2023 2:10 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 1/13/2023 11:15 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe"  wrote in message news:tps0kp$qel$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    On 1/12/2023 11:00 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Arturo Zárate"  wrote in message
    news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3d9df@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it
    is used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

    -------------------------

    It's a medical pump so the industrial oil types may not be right for it. >>>
    http://www.wemed1.com/downloads/dl/file/id/6748/product/4409/manual_for_suc_g_400_401_402_403_404.pdf

    Likely "they say" its been filtered and chemically tested to make sure
    its "pure" light mineral oil, a medical label has been slapped on it,
    and the accountant chortled evilly as he slapped a 10000% markup on it.

    Kinda like a Black & Decker bone drill.  (No shit.)

    -----------------------

    I worked in the medical industry and know what you mean, that
    environment is substantially controlled by the threats of lawsuits and
    government (mis)management.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
    Like ISO9000 you are covered if you followed the procedures. I can't
    stop him from filling it with used motor oil, but he's been warned.

    Don't use second-hand vacuum pump oil from a chemistry lab or
    semiconductor fab line.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsine

    When the opportunity arose I bought a wheelchair with title so I'll
    have it the moment when needed, not months later. I had been the
    executor of an elderly gentleman who was in it for many years, and
    after he died the supplier offered to sell it cheap. I've loaned it
    out to needy friends while they waited for paperwork and used it
    myself when my knee went out.

    Back when I was servicing manual and powered wheelchairs between high
    tech R&D jobs an armrest pad that should cost $5 in Walmart went for
    $50 when billed to Medicare. For that price I'd reupholster it, a
    skill I learned as a stagehand. This "post-industrial" society
    struggles to support more and more people on less and less created value.


    My wife talks about being in med school and they literally used a Black
    & Decker drill for orthopedics, then later they were told it had to have
    a medical certification.  The only difference was the color of the plastic...  and the price.  I may have the details off a little, but
    that is the gist of it.


    P.S. A few years back (ten or fifteen maybe) I was doing some work on
    the security system for a warehouse for a transfer company, and in one
    section of the warehouse was hundreds (maybe thousands) of old (not that
    old) bedside medical monitors being exported.


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  • From Laura Allen@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Fri Jan 13 17:32:51 2023
    On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:24:25 PM UTC-8, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 1/13/2023 2:10 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 1/13/2023 11:15 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tps0kp$qel$1...@gioia.aioe.org... >>
    On 1/12/2023 11:00 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Arturo Zárate" wrote in message
    news:17399b3c7ade0bbd$146$882354$53d3...@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Hi, I also have a gomco pump , but I don't known what kind of oil it
    is used Ford it , could You please give me the información?

    -------------------------

    It's a medical pump so the industrial oil types may not be right for it. >>>
    http://www.wemed1.com/downloads/dl/file/id/6748/product/4409/manual_for_suc_g_400_401_402_403_404.pdf

    Likely "they say" its been filtered and chemically tested to make sure
    its "pure" light mineral oil, a medical label has been slapped on it,
    and the accountant chortled evilly as he slapped a 10000% markup on it. >>
    Kinda like a Black & Decker bone drill. (No shit.)

    -----------------------

    I worked in the medical industry and know what you mean, that
    environment is substantially controlled by the threats of lawsuits and
    government (mis)management.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
    Like ISO9000 you are covered if you followed the procedures. I can't
    stop him from filling it with used motor oil, but he's been warned.

    Don't use second-hand vacuum pump oil from a chemistry lab or
    semiconductor fab line.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsine

    When the opportunity arose I bought a wheelchair with title so I'll
    have it the moment when needed, not months later. I had been the
    executor of an elderly gentleman who was in it for many years, and
    after he died the supplier offered to sell it cheap. I've loaned it
    out to needy friends while they waited for paperwork and used it
    myself when my knee went out.

    Back when I was servicing manual and powered wheelchairs between high
    tech R&D jobs an armrest pad that should cost $5 in Walmart went for
    $50 when billed to Medicare. For that price I'd reupholster it, a
    skill I learned as a stagehand. This "post-industrial" society
    struggles to support more and more people on less and less created value. >>

    My wife talks about being in med school and they literally used a Black
    & Decker drill for orthopedics, then later they were told it had to have
    a medical certification. The only difference was the color of the plastic... and the price. I may have the details off a little, but
    that is the gist of it.

    P.S. A few years back (ten or fifteen maybe) I was doing some work on
    the security system for a warehouse for a transfer company, and in one section of the warehouse was hundreds (maybe thousands) of old (not that old) bedside medical monitors being exported.
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    Some vacumn pumps have carbon vanes which like some people should not have an alcohol near tem .
    animal

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 07:10:46 2023
    "Laura Allen" wrote in message news:dd3c0260-a809-413a-9af3-a4393e205836n@googlegroups.com...

    Some vacumn pumps have carbon vanes which like some people should not have
    an alcohol near tem .
    animal

    ------------------------

    Do you have references for that? https://www.pumpsandsystems.com/selecting-vacuum-pump-cannabis-processing

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 07:16:26 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tpsi65$1n3gl$1@dont-email.me...

    P.S. A few years back (ten or fifteen maybe) I was doing some work on
    the security system for a warehouse for a transfer company, and in one
    section of the warehouse was hundreds (maybe thousands) of old (not that
    old) bedside medical monitors being exported.

    ---------------------

    Maybe Frank received some in Tanzania or Zambia.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 07:28:48 2023
    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tpshcn$oaj$1@gioia.aioe.org...

    My wife talks about being in med school and they literally used a Black
    & Decker drill for orthopedics, then later they were told it had to have
    a medical certification. The only difference was the color of the
    plastic... and the price. I may have the details off a little, but
    that is the gist of it.

    ----------------------

    We must be safe, at any price.

    My contribution was repairing medical devices so at least they weren't
    thrown away.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 09:21:09 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:28:48 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    My contribution was repairing medical devices so at least they weren't
    thrown away.

    Though of you the other day and your working on these items while
    listening to this NPR clip:

    https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1147052874/a-broken-wheelchair-can-bring-life-to-a-standstill-and-create-multiple-problems

    A lot could be learned from your experience with the hassles and
    liability worries but I'm sure the businesses currently doing it would
    quickly squash any changes :(

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 09:34:14 2023
    "Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:tpu6gc$1vi5u$1@dont-email.me...

    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:tpsi65$1n3gl$1@dont-email.me...

    P.S. A few years back (ten or fifteen maybe) I was doing some work on
    the security system for a warehouse for a transfer company, and in one
    section of the warehouse was hundreds (maybe thousands) of old (not that
    old) bedside medical monitors being exported.

    ---------------------

    Maybe Frank received some in Tanzania or Zambia. https://www.aktionskreis-ostafrika.de/en/ako-projekte/new-project-a-medical-technician-for-kibosho-hospital-194/

    "Material donations of technical tools regularly arrive at the hospital. A recurring problem, however, is that there are no specialists in the country specifically educated in medical technology. A dentist’s chair complete with all its functions or an x-ray machine cannot be repaired by an electrician. There are no service networks from the manufacturer available in the
    country. Even replacement parts are often hard to come by, and when they are available, they are very expensive."

    Manufacturers who require factory-authorized service have attempted to shut
    him down. They have the burden of proving a procedure wasn't followed or a
    part that failed was counterfeit, for example a locally fabricated part that fell off a DC-10 caused the Concorde crash. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Air-France-flight-4590
    "The engine part (a thrust reverser wear strip) had recently been replaced
    in routine maintenance. The mechanic who did the work used a strip made of
    an alloy with 90 percent titanium content, not stainless steel as specified
    by the manufacturer of the engine."

    The answer isn't easy. If the Government demands control over your creations you may stop producing them. Many desirable foreign autos aren't legal to import. https://blog.dupontregistry.com/news/foreign-cars-that-are-illegal-in-usa/

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/medical-tourism
    "Each year, millions of US residents participate in medical tourism. Medical tourists from the United States commonly travel to Mexico and Canada, as
    well as countries in Central America, South America, and the Caribbean."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 14 11:13:38 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:tpua6t$1vmv5$1@dont-email.me...

    Though of you the other day and your working on these items while
    listening to this NPR clip:

    https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1147052874/a-broken-wheelchair-can-bring-life-to-a-standstill-and-create-multiple-problems

    A lot could be learned from your experience with the hassles and
    liability worries but I'm sure the businesses currently doing it would
    quickly squash any changes :(

    Leon Fisk

    ----------------------------

    My father was the deputy commissioner and CFO of NH's largest state
    department, and thus I knew a number of important people socially and
    listened to them. He had to swallow his frustrations at work and then
    unloaded them on us at home, and I have his temperament. I'll confine myself
    to swinging a wrench and mildly complaining or presenting both sides. I did work as lab manager at a think tank that addressed governmental issues, the Mitre Corporation, so I was exposed to what they were, like the dilemma of providing public funding to work that may lead to private gain, such as
    medical research. Non-profit FFRDCs are one solution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federally_funded_research_and_development_centers

    I think the weirdest connection to government I had was preparing a revolver with blanks to be shot at a community theatre actor whose was prosecuting a vicious murderer by day and expertly playing one (Dickens' Bill Sikes) at night. The second was driving in European city traffic with a loaded machine gun after the Munich Olympics massacre.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 12:29:00 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:tpua6t$1vmv5$1@dont-email.me...

    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:28:48 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    My contribution was repairing medical devices so at least they weren't
    thrown away.

    Though of you the other day and your working on these items while
    listening to this NPR clip:

    https://www.npr.org/2023/01/05/1147052874/a-broken-wheelchair-can-bring-life-to-a-standstill-and-create-multiple-problems

    A lot could be learned from your experience with the hassles and
    liability worries but I'm sure the businesses currently doing it would
    quickly squash any changes :(
    Leon Fisk

    ---------------------

    Here's a lawyer fighting the grey market in medical devices. https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/stopping-the-sale-of-gray-market-82873/ "..and storage temperatures may be listed in Centigrade rather than Fahrenheit."

    The Pfizer suit I referenced is an example of no good deed going unpunished. I'm a share holder and the letter I received on the suit cast them as evil demons for trying to relieve pain in unapproved ways. It seems we've lost
    the ability to distinguish ignorant from innocent, culpable from capable.

    There are substantial numbers of the disabled who for various reasons can't deal effectively with the complexities of Medicare (or life itself),
    yesterday I encountered that problem between medical offices with diagnostic codes for a routine blood test, even though I expected the problem, had
    called everyone involved and was assured all was OK. The dysfunctional
    disabled may have to depend instead on the immediate, personal, sympathetic assistance of grey market providers. Since I was a very low level part of
    the System I didn't deal with them but they convinced me not to divert
    surplus equipment to my home projects.

    The only solution I see is to cover my own 'cul' and let society get what it asks for. The needy around here know that I'll open my hands to help them,
    to shingle a roof for instance, but not my wallet which only leads to
    trouble.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 14:16:59 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:29:00 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    The only solution I see is to cover my own 'cul' and let society get what it >asks for. The needy around here know that I'll open my hands to help them,
    to shingle a roof for instance, but not my wallet which only leads to >trouble.

    Agreed ;-) but I rarely offer anymore...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 15:07:39 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:tpurhk$225hk$1@dont-email.me...

    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:29:00 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    The only solution I see is to cover my own 'cul' and let society get what
    it
    asks for. The needy around here know that I'll open my hands to help them,
    to shingle a roof for instance, but not my wallet which only leads to >trouble.

    Agreed ;-) but I rarely offer anymore...
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

    ------------------

    Same here, the old sports injuries have come back. I say I feel like a teen-ager because I hurt in the same places.

    The questionnaire for the next Wellness Visit just arrived. It's Medicare's lite version of an annual physical.
    Q: Do you need help with your daily household activities?
    A: Sometimes. What do you know about industrial machine tools or electric welding equipment?

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 17:20:24 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 15:07:39 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    The questionnaire for the next Wellness Visit just arrived. It's Medicare's >lite version of an annual physical.
    Q: Do you need help with your daily household activities?
    A: Sometimes. What do you know about industrial machine tools or electric >welding equipment?

    I don't take the risk of asking questions like that anymore other than
    in my imagination. Sometimes they actually follow up and then you have
    to explain even farther<eye-roll>.

    Relative did that physical thing. They asked several times if
    there would be any charge and the Office assured them it was all
    covered by Medicare. And as you've already guessed it wasn't and they
    were billed for services not covered :(

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 18:46:36 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:tpv69i$225hk$2@dont-email.me...

    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 15:07:39 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    The questionnaire for the next Wellness Visit just arrived. It's Medicare's >lite version of an annual physical.
    Q: Do you need help with your daily household activities?
    A: Sometimes. What do you know about industrial machine tools or electric >welding equipment?

    I don't take the risk of asking questions like that anymore other than
    in my imagination. Sometimes they actually follow up and then you have
    to explain even farther<eye-roll>.

    -----------------------
    You already know RCM posters have tools. I'm careful what I tell them. Discussing chainsaws and my home-made sawmill tends to move the interview
    past other possessions.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/faq-government-access-medical-records

    Recent and pending updates expand the power to obtain records.

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  • From Laura Allen@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Jan 14 16:36:18 2023
    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:11:40 AM UTC-8, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Laura Allen" wrote in message news:dd3c0260-a809-413a...@googlegroups.com...
    Some vacumn pumps have carbon vanes which like some people should not have an alcohol near tem .
    animal
    ------------------------

    Do you have references for that? https://www.pumpsandsystems.com/selecting-vacuum-pump-cannabis-processing

    I worked for a disk drive manufacturer in the midd/late 70's & we used a vacumn pump on our drives . Our pump had carbon vanes I had to rebuild the pump a few times . I've also seen carbon vane vacumn pumps used in a dental office , but that was all 40
    yers back . About all I can tell you about the ones I seen/worked on is that they were gray & they had small jars where the crap being filtered would get dumped & when the jars got so full you had to empty the jars . I kinda remember that they may have
    been made in Europe . A quick google shows some sources https://www.maitis-carbonvane.com/product/category?id=1&brandId=15&gclid=CjwKCAiAwomeBhBWEiwAM43YIJqpXwzvU2ff-emdNC6bX5MipZttugKQTKat9_GnjAfDI66CsJdO5RoCQO8QAvD_BwE

    https://www.google.com/search?q=european+dental+vacuum+pump&oq=european+dental+vacumn&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j33i10i160l4.10775j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    thats about the best I can do
    animal

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Jan 15 09:05:57 2023
    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 18:46:36 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    You already know RCM posters have tools. I'm careful what I tell them. >Discussing chainsaws and my home-made sawmill tends to move the interview >past other possessions.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/faq-government-access-medical-records

    Recent and pending updates expand the power to obtain records.

    Wasn't precisely aware of that but not all that surprised either.
    Thanks for the heads up :-)

    On a some what related note... Amazon has a Ring camera for your car
    coming out:

    https://www.securityinfowatch.com/ces/press-release/21291681/ring-debuts-car-cam-security-camera

    Pretty sure we can count on that being shared with law enforcement too
    :(

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Jan 15 07:29:35 2023
    "Laura Allen" wrote in message news:f66f0fce-9d5f-412a-be3b-636ac608c797n@googlegroups.com...

    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 4:11:40 AM UTC-8, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Laura Allen" wrote in message
    news:dd3c0260-a809-413a...@googlegroups.com...
    Some vacumn pumps have carbon vanes which like some people should not have
    an alcohol near tem .
    animal
    ------------------------

    Do you have references for that? https://www.pumpsandsystems.com/selecting-vacuum-pump-cannabis-processing

    I worked for a disk drive manufacturer in the midd/late 70's & we used a vacumn pump on our drives . Our pump had carbon vanes I had to rebuild the
    pump a few times . I've also seen carbon vane vacumn pumps used in a dental office , but that was all 40 yers back . About all I can tell you about the ones I seen/worked on is that they were gray & they had small jars where the crap being filtered would get dumped & when the jars got so full you had to empty the jars . I kinda remember that they may have been made in Europe . A quick google shows some sources https://www.maitis-carbonvane.com/product/category?id=1&brandId=15&gclid=CjwKCAiAwomeBhBWEiwAM43YIJqpXwzvU2ff-emdNC6bX5MipZttugKQTKat9_GnjAfDI66CsJdO5RoCQO8QAvD_BwE

    https://www.google.com/search?q=european+dental+vacuum+pump&oq=european+dental+vacumn&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j33i10i160l4.10775j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    thats about the best I can do
    animal

    --------------------

    Thanks. I asked because I acquired a small vacuum oven and Gast pump at auction.
    https://teamequip.com/gast-0211-v138-g218cx-vacuum-pump-t178361/

    The oven had been used to remove air bubbles from cast epoxy, which was
    thick on the oven floor. I learned how to use lab equipment in college but never heard that alcohol -vapor- would harm pumps. We used condensers and
    traps to recover and keep out liquid solvents which would since they are incompressible. Perhaps the distinction between alcohol liquid and vapor was lost in passing on the warning.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Jan 15 09:43:42 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:tq0tme$2bmjq$1@dont-email.me...

    On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 18:46:36 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    You already know RCM posters have tools. I'm careful what I tell them. >Discussing chainsaws and my home-made sawmill tends to move the interview >past other possessions.

    https://www.aclu.org/other/faq-government-access-medical-records

    Recent and pending updates expand the power to obtain records.

    Wasn't precisely aware of that but not all that surprised either.
    Thanks for the heads up :-)

    On a some what related note... Amazon has a Ring camera for your car
    coming out:

    https://www.securityinfowatch.com/ces/press-release/21291681/ring-debuts-car-cam-security-camera

    Pretty sure we can count on that being shared with law enforcement too
    :(

    Leon Fisk

    ----------------------

    I worked in communications security in the Army and later, and avoid WiFi.
    To any monitoring Feds, that's why I visit crypto-related sites.

    My surveillance cameras are hard-wired or trail cams, this laptop is
    physically tethered to the iPhone that links to cellular Internet, and I disconnect before using the laptop for other things, especially the income
    tax spreadsheet I wrote.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sun Jan 15 11:30:13 2023
    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 09:43:42 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    I worked in communications security in the Army and later, and avoid WiFi.
    To any monitoring Feds, that's why I visit crypto-related sites.

    My surveillance cameras are hard-wired or trail cams, this laptop is >physically tethered to the iPhone that links to cellular Internet, and I >disconnect before using the laptop for other things, especially the income >tax spreadsheet I wrote.

    I'm not that fastidious, but I do somewhat keep an eye on what
    my computer is doing...

    Thought the way they tracked down the Washington Substation perps was enlightening:

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23560595-greenwood-and-crahan-complaint

    Nowadays one should just assume that they are on camera being recorded
    and most likely their location is being logged ;-)

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Mon Jan 16 18:08:54 2023
    "Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:tq164u$2bmjq$2@dont-email.me...

    On Sun, 15 Jan 2023 09:43:42 -0500
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    I worked in communications security in the Army and later, and avoid WiFi.
    To any monitoring Feds, that's why I visit crypto-related sites.

    My surveillance cameras are hard-wired or trail cams, this laptop is >physically tethered to the iPhone that links to cellular Internet, and I >disconnect before using the laptop for other things, especially the income >tax spreadsheet I wrote.

    I'm not that fastidious, but I do somewhat keep an eye on what
    my computer is doing...

    Thought the way they tracked down the Washington Substation perps was enlightening:

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23560595-greenwood-and-crahan-complaint

    Nowadays one should just assume that they are on camera being recorded
    and most likely their location is being logged ;-)
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

    ----------
    The cellular system has to track (ping) the phone to know which cell you are in, to receive calls.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking
    "Alternatively tracking with both systems can also occur by having the phone attain its GPS-location directly from the satellites, and then having the information sent via the network to the person that is trying to locate the telephone."

    You can turn off civilian but not law enforcement tracking in Location.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Tue Jan 17 15:45:18 2023
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:

    Back when I was servicing manual and powered wheelchairs between
    high tech R&D jobs an armrest pad that should cost $5 in Walmart
    went for $50 when billed to Medicare.

    ...

    ...

    My wife talks about being in med school and they literally used a
    Black & Decker drill for orthopedics, then later they were told it had
    to have a medical certification. The only difference was the color of
    the plastic... and the price. I may have the details off a little,
    but that is the gist of it.

    Jim, Bob,

    We commonly hold that with "the NHS" - the National Health Service -
    we get twice as much for half as much.

    A friend who is a major level consultant says it's actually
    significantly to the better of that - significantly more than twice as
    much for significantly less than half as much.

    The bill each year is only excruciating because we produce f* all.
    Back to Jim's point about the "post industrial" economy.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Tue Jan 17 15:38:47 2023
    "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:

    ... ...

    ...
    This "post-industrial" society struggles to support more and
    more people on less and less created value.

    That is a brilliant summary. I "caught this in the net" because I
    have been looking for a way to say exactly this for some time.

    FWIW - the need to say this is particularly necessary to characterise
    Britain's situation now?

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 13:39:21 2023
    "Richard Smith" wrote in message news:ly3589magh.fsf@void.com...

    Jim, Bob,

    We commonly hold that with "the NHS" - the National Health Service -
    we get twice as much for half as much.

    A friend who is a major level consultant says it's actually
    significantly to the better of that - significantly more than twice as
    much for significantly less than half as much.

    The bill each year is only excruciating because we produce f* all.
    Back to Jim's point about the "post industrial" economy.

    ---------------------

    There's a lot of noise about the problems of America because the freedom to choose includes the freedom to choose unwisely. My medical insurance, supposedly quite good, is paid for by the standard Part B deduction from
    Social Security, which amounts to a few hours of a skilled tradesman's wages per month.

    Your time is the only stable measure of value. My father told me about his youth during the Depression in the rural South, and how little he earned logging and in the mills. I asked him to translate that into the hours to
    earn the price of a shirt or loaf of bread, and it wasn't much different
    than for me. As bad as the 1930's were, both parents had cars when the War began.

    When riding trains as a hobo he'd go to the poorest, blackest part of town
    when hungry. The typically fat black mammy who answered the door always gave him something to eat. The 'better' areas weren't as generous. That shouldn't
    be forgotten.

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 20 04:14:26 2023
    That is very interesting and insightful comment in various ways.

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