In one of the texts I use for my linguistic research, I have
encountered the following:
Stung by the Giuliani ads, Mr. Dinkins's TV consultants,
Robert Shrum and David Doak, finally unleashed a negative
ad of their own. The screen shows two distorted,
unrecognizable photos, presumably of two politicians.
"Compare two candidates for mayor," says the announcer.
"One says he's for banning cop-killer bullets. [...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are cop-killer bulets? Any help greatly appreciated.
On Wednesday, February 9, 1994 at 8:24:55 AM UTC-5, Maarten Lemmens wrote in alt.usage.english:
In one of the texts I use for my linguistic research, I have
encountered the following:
Stung by the Giuliani ads, Mr. Dinkins's TV consultants,
Robert Shrum and David Doak, finally unleashed a negative
ad of their own. The screen shows two distorted,
unrecognizable photos, presumably of two politicians.
"Compare two candidates for mayor," says the announcer.
"One says he's for banning cop-killer bullets. [...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are cop-killer bulets? Any help greatly appreciated.
There was a: '104th Congress (1995-1996): Cop-Killer Bullet Ban Act of 1995'.
I always thought that most any bullet could fall under that banner. I guess bullets that go through bullet-proof vests qualify. But even a 30-06 (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" ) round could do that. Today' probably even more types could.
On 5/22/2023 3:12 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
On Wednesday, February 9, 1994 at 8:24:55 AM UTC-5, Maarten Lemmens
wrote in alt.usage.english:
In one of the texts I use for my linguistic research, I have
encountered the following:
Stung by the Giuliani ads, Mr. Dinkins's TV consultants,
Robert Shrum and David Doak, finally unleashed a negative
ad of their own. The screen shows two distorted,
unrecognizable photos, presumably of two politicians.
"Compare two candidates for mayor," says the announcer.
"One says he's for banning cop-killer bullets. [...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are cop-killer bulets? Any help greatly appreciated.
There was a: '104th Congress (1995-1996): Cop-Killer Bullet Ban Act of
1995'.
I always thought that most any bullet could fall under that banner. I
guess bullets that go through bullet-proof vests qualify. But even a
30-06 (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" ) round could do that. Today'
probably even more types could.
Many of today's snobbier hunters and shooters kinda of sneer down their
nose at that woefully under powered bastard step child of the
Springfield 30-03. LOL. Most rifles larger than .22 or .22 magnum
would likely punch through the old kevlar fabric only vest. Today the
vest is only part of the equation. Typically its a plate carrier, and
the over all rating is that of the plate. Level IV will stop most, but probably not every possible rifle round.
"According to the standards set by the National Institute of Justice
(NIJ), level IV armor plates should stop all calibers up to a 30.06 armor-piercing round."
There are plenty of rifles more powerful than 30-06, put even a less
powerful round (smaller bullet) at a much higher velocity might punch
armor that would stop a 30-06 depending on the exact load, and the range.
P.S. All the old experienced hunters will tell you a 30-06 will take
any big game in North America including moose and grizzly bear. It's
not an under power round. I was just taking a shot at the "mine is
better" snobs.
P.P.S. "Cop killer bullet" is another made up political term like
"assault rifle" and "Saturday night special." Any time you can get
people riled up about something specific they can point to (or think
they can point to) it can advance the ban agenda.
Note to self: Disengage. Walk away. LOL.
On 5/22/2023 5:49 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 5/22/2023 3:12 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
On Wednesday, February 9, 1994 at 8:24:55 AM UTC-5, Maarten Lemmens
wrote in alt.usage.english:
In one of the texts I use for my linguistic research, I have
encountered the following:
Stung by the Giuliani ads, Mr. Dinkins's TV consultants,
Robert Shrum and David Doak, finally unleashed a negative
ad of their own. The screen shows two distorted,
unrecognizable photos, presumably of two politicians.
"Compare two candidates for mayor," says the announcer.
"One says he's for banning cop-killer bullets. [...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are cop-killer bulets? Any help greatly appreciated.
There was a: '104th Congress (1995-1996): Cop-Killer Bullet Ban Act
of 1995'.
I always thought that most any bullet could fall under that banner.
I guess bullets that go through bullet-proof vests qualify. But even
a 30-06 (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" ) round could do that. Today'
probably even more types could.
Many of today's snobbier hunters and shooters kinda of sneer down
their nose at that woefully under powered bastard step child of the
Springfield 30-03. LOL. Most rifles larger than .22 or .22 magnum
would likely punch through the old kevlar fabric only vest. Today the
vest is only part of the equation. Typically its a plate carrier, and
the over all rating is that of the plate. Level IV will stop most,
but probably not every possible rifle round.
"According to the standards set by the National Institute of Justice
(NIJ), level IV armor plates should stop all calibers up to a 30.06
armor-piercing round."
There are plenty of rifles more powerful than 30-06, put even a less
powerful round (smaller bullet) at a much higher velocity might punch
armor that would stop a 30-06 depending on the exact load, and the range.
P.S. All the old experienced hunters will tell you a 30-06 will take
any big game in North America including moose and grizzly bear. It's
not an under power round. I was just taking a shot at the "mine is
better" snobs.
P.P.S. "Cop killer bullet" is another made up political term like
"assault rifle" and "Saturday night special." Any time you can get
people riled up about something specific they can point to (or think
they can point to) it can advance the ban agenda.
Note to self: Disengage. Walk away. LOL.
This is a hot issue topic ... wasn't the Black Talon teflon coated
bullet the one that make them foul their panties ? There are lots of bullets/loads out there that will punch thru armor , and they ain't all sooooper magnums .
On 5/22/2023 3:12 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
On Wednesday, February 9, 1994 at 8:24:55 AM UTC-5, Maarten Lemmens
wrote in alt.usage.english:
In one of the texts I use for my linguistic research, I have
encountered the following:
Stung by the Giuliani ads, Mr. Dinkins's TV consultants,
Robert Shrum and David Doak, finally unleashed a negative
ad of their own. The screen shows two distorted,
unrecognizable photos, presumably of two politicians.
"Compare two candidates for mayor," says the announcer.
"One says he's for banning cop-killer bullets. [...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are cop-killer bulets? Any help greatly appreciated.
There was a: '104th Congress (1995-1996): Cop-Killer Bullet Ban Act of
1995'.
I always thought that most any bullet could fall under that banner. I
guess bullets that go through bullet-proof vests qualify. But even a
30-06 (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" ) round could do that. Today'
probably even more types could.
Many of today's snobbier hunters and shooters kinda of sneer down their
nose at that woefully under powered bastard step child of the
Springfield 30-03. LOL. Most rifles larger than .22 or .22 magnum
would likely punch through the old kevlar fabric only vest.
On 5/22/2023 4:23 PM, Snag wrote:
On 5/22/2023 5:49 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 5/22/2023 3:12 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
On Wednesday, February 9, 1994 at 8:24:55 AM UTC-5, Maarten Lemmens
wrote in alt.usage.english:
In one of the texts I use for my linguistic research, I have
encountered the following:
Stung by the Giuliani ads, Mr. Dinkins's TV consultants,
Robert Shrum and David Doak, finally unleashed a negative
ad of their own. The screen shows two distorted,
unrecognizable photos, presumably of two politicians.
"Compare two candidates for mayor," says the announcer.
"One says he's for banning cop-killer bullets. [...]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are cop-killer bulets? Any help greatly appreciated.
There was a: '104th Congress (1995-1996): Cop-Killer Bullet Ban Act
of 1995'.
I always thought that most any bullet could fall under that banner.
I guess bullets that go through bullet-proof vests qualify. But
even a 30-06 (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" ) round could do that.
Today' probably even more types could.
Many of today's snobbier hunters and shooters kinda of sneer down
their nose at that woefully under powered bastard step child of the
Springfield 30-03. LOL. Most rifles larger than .22 or .22 magnum
would likely punch through the old kevlar fabric only vest. Today
the vest is only part of the equation. Typically its a plate
carrier, and the over all rating is that of the plate. Level IV will
stop most, but probably not every possible rifle round.
"According to the standards set by the National Institute of Justice
(NIJ), level IV armor plates should stop all calibers up to a 30.06
armor-piercing round."
There are plenty of rifles more powerful than 30-06, put even a less
powerful round (smaller bullet) at a much higher velocity might punch
armor that would stop a 30-06 depending on the exact load, and the
range.
P.S. All the old experienced hunters will tell you a 30-06 will take
any big game in North America including moose and grizzly bear. It's
not an under power round. I was just taking a shot at the "mine is
better" snobs.
P.P.S. "Cop killer bullet" is another made up political term like
"assault rifle" and "Saturday night special." Any time you can get
people riled up about something specific they can point to (or think
they can point to) it can advance the ban agenda.
Note to self: Disengage. Walk away. LOL.
This is a hot issue topic ... wasn't the Black Talon teflon coated
bullet the one that make them foul their panties ? There are lots of
bullets/loads out there that will punch thru armor , and they ain't
all sooooper magnums .
I think the Black Talon was just a segmented hollow point with a lot of advertising hype that kind of failed as it tended to foul with clothing
and then not expand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon I might have a couple boxes
on the shelf given to me by a buddy of mine in some caliber he didn't
have or no longer had. There are lots of similar segmenting hollow
points on the market today.
Teflon coating was the thing I recall them getting their panties in a
twist over. Never made any sense to me. For it to have any significant affect it had to be a regular armor piercing round anyway. Teflon is relatively soft. Its just slippery. Still have to have the mass
velocity, and right construction of the round.
My dad has two boxes of .38 special armor piercing he had from his old hardware store inventory. Some day I'll talk him out of it and do some range day testing with it to see what it will actually penetrate. I have
one round of .38 special armor piercing myself that was in a Dan Wesson
357 a buddy of mine traded me for some "other" tools he needed. I
guess I could shoot that one, but then if it didn't do anything I'd be
all disappointed. Nowhere near as much fun as a 100 rounds that don't
do anything. LOL.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4p2op$3nnq6$1@dont-email.me...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon-coated_bullet
"Critics kept complaining about Teflon's ability to penetrate body armor [...] In fact, Teflon cut down on the round's ability to cut through the nylon or Kevlar of body armor."
Facts and logic don't deter the ignorant rabid hate mongers.
Ever notice that conservative pollsters ask what you think, liberal ones
how you feel?
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:u4rbjr$3tq8$1@dont-email.me...
I reference Titanic because there is so much detailed information
available on line:
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-deckplans/
This is another good source:
https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/
For example here is how to command a U-Boot, retrieved from the captured
one in Chicago:
https://archive.hnsa.org/doc/uboat/index.htm
It's among the world's most difficult jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_Command_Course
In general I study how humans interact with challengingly difficult technology, partly to make my constructions easier to use.
My personal involvement included memorizing the circuitry of very
complex classified military electronics so I wouldn't need to carry the manuals on service calls and risk their loss or capture. The graduation
rate from that unlisted, invitation-only school was under 5%, though
dropouts were offered other courses. After the Vietnam draft ceased to
bring in college tech grads the Army reverted to simpler board swapping.
On 5/27/2023 5:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:u4rbjr$3tq8$1@dont-email.me...
I reference Titanic because there is so much detailed information
available on line:
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-deckplans/
This is another good source:
https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/
For example here is how to command a U-Boot, retrieved from the
captured one in Chicago:
https://archive.hnsa.org/doc/uboat/index.htm
It's among the world's most difficult jobs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_Command_Course
In general I study how humans interact with challengingly difficult
technology, partly to make my constructions easier to use.
My personal involvement included memorizing the circuitry of very
complex classified military electronics so I wouldn't need to carry
the manuals on service calls and risk their loss or capture. The
graduation rate from that unlisted, invitation-only school was under
5%, though dropouts were offered other courses. After the Vietnam
draft ceased to bring in college tech grads the Army reverted to
simpler board swapping.
No worries. This was a rabbit hole topic from the beginning anyway.
Well, that and sometimes your interests are, well, interesting.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4tds1$g24u$2@dont-email.me...
On 5/27/2023 5:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
.....
No worries. This was a rabbit hole topic from the beginning anyway.
Well, that and sometimes your interests are, well, interesting.
Bob La Londe
------------------------
I posted this in rec.aviation.military and like it enough to add it here: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/88459-idiots
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4vtvl$uacs$1@dont-email.me...
sans.military
Were you on the aviation groups back when Robert Bass , Frank and others
were on their rants about barrel rolling a jet liner?
As far as I know its only been publicly recognized to have been done
once (atleast in the western world) at some big fair in the PNW. Some
will even argue that it didn't even count as a barrel roll.
That being said the ex brother-in-law of a friend of mine had a copy of
chase plane video of a big jet going through a roll. Maybe its from
that event, or maybe it has been done more than once. Sadly I think he
has passed on, and I have not heard from in years in any case. I never
saw the video, but my friend says the big jet was twisted all out of
shape as it executed the maneuver. Much of the rest of what I heard
said I have forgotten. It boils down to... I heard... he said somebody
else said... My friend did see the video, and I trust him to have not overly exaggerated what he saw.
Bob La Londe
-------------------------
https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/news/pilot-talk/tex-johnston-the-pilot-that-rolled-a-boeing-707/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_khhzuFlE
One objection was that the fuel system wasn't designed for negative g
but he claimed he maintained positive g throughout the maneuver. It was
a barrel roll, not an aileron roll.
F-22 backflip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWm6jxwClso
Sometimes pilots don't get away with air show stunts in large airplanes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0O18pQUzS8
I was in the B-17 "909" two days before it crashed. Long before I had
helped its crew chief replace a cracked engine cylinder.
I subscribed to r.c.m. and r.a.m. in the 1990's when I was put on FAA projects and given a Mitre lab at the end of a corridor of Air Force personnel. I had much to learn quickly, in both radio and aviation. I
think I was chosen because I had demonstrated ability with computer
hardware and A/D converters, both critical to the development of digital radio.
The advanced digital communications systems Mitre developed in the mid
90's still haven't been fully implemented. The current AM VHF aircraft
radio system is a relic of the 1940's. Mitre developed similar police
and medical digital communications systems and I've been shown the
police one in service. I had been a repairman for an Army wired and
wireless computer network in the early 1970's.
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-17-450
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airband
As with TV, changing from analog to digital permits sending several
times as much information in the existing channel bandwidth.
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4vtvl$uacs$1@dont-email.me......
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u5094p$101ts$1@dont-email.me...
On 5/28/2023 10:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4vtvl$uacs$1@dont-email.me......
I was more talking about their tiff, vitriole, and wild claims over the subject that spilled over into every group they were involved in at the time. Yeah, this would have been back in the 90s.
Bob La Londe
------------------------
I thought r.c.m. was somewhat worse. I tried to post separately so they wouldn't become connected but I may have missed on a reply, or been
followed. There were more nazis and commies on r.a.m., Altavoz and then Gunner's yapping porch puppies here, so one or more of his political or survival groups which I don't subscribe to may be the culprit.
My reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2G-y7ySnI
On 5/28/2023 5:43 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u5094p$101ts$1@dont-email.me...
On 5/28/2023 10:31 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4vtvl$uacs$1@dont-email.me......
I was more talking about their tiff, vitriole, and wild claims over the
subject that spilled over into every group they were involved in at the
time. Yeah, this would have been back in the 90s.
Bob La Londe
------------------------
I thought r.c.m. was somewhat worse. I tried to post separately so
they wouldn't become connected but I may have missed on a reply, or
been followed. There were more nazis and commies on r.a.m., Altavoz
and then Gunner's yapping porch puppies here, so one or more of his
political or survival groups which I don't subscribe to may be the
culprit.
My reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA2G-y7ySnI
My first contact with usenet was over at RMH , and I don't recall who said it but I got some really good advice :
"It's called a carapace . Grow one ."
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4vtvl$uacs$1@dont-email.me...
sans.military
Were you on the aviation groups back when Robert Bass , Frank and others
were on their rants about barrel rolling a jet liner?
As far as I know its only been publicly recognized to have been done
once (atleast in the western world) at some big fair in the PNW. Some
will even argue that it didn't even count as a barrel roll.
That being said the ex brother-in-law of a friend of mine had a copy of
chase plane video of a big jet going through a roll. Maybe its from
that event, or maybe it has been done more than once. Sadly I think he
has passed on, and I have not heard from in years in any case. I never
saw the video, but my friend says the big jet was twisted all out of
shape as it executed the maneuver. Much of the rest of what I heard
said I have forgotten. It boils down to... I heard... he said somebody
else said... My friend did see the video, and I trust him to have not
overly exaggerated what he saw.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 13:31:41 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:u4vtvl$uacs$1@dont-email.me...
sans.military
Were you on the aviation groups back when Robert Bass , Frank and others
were on their rants about barrel rolling a jet liner?
As far as I know its only been publicly recognized to have been done
once (atleast in the western world) at some big fair in the PNW. Some
will even argue that it didn't even count as a barrel roll.
That being said the ex brother-in-law of a friend of mine had a copy of
chase plane video of a big jet going through a roll. Maybe its from
that event, or maybe it has been done more than once. Sadly I think he
has passed on, and I have not heard from in years in any case. I never
saw the video, but my friend says the big jet was twisted all out of
shape as it executed the maneuver. Much of the rest of what I heard
said I have forgotten. It boils down to... I heard... he said somebody
else said... My friend did see the video, and I trust him to have not
overly exaggerated what he saw.
The stories are from 1955, when the Boeing 707 prototype was taken to
an air show in Seattle.
Here is the original one-gravity 707 Barrel Roll video:
.<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk>
Joe Gwinn
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