It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating coolant
in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe condensate
gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
 Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve - 4 valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4 . The crack is in the same cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a 1999 ,
got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around 1400-1800 bucks
- I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right now" . Between the
heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000 total), the SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And that's with me doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop it would be another 2 to 3 grand
. While the motor would have a new top end , the rest of the vehicle
will still have 347k miles on it . And who knows what will fail next ?
Nickel and dimin' is one thing , but when the repairs run a couple
thousand at a whack ...
On 7/11/2023 7:37 PM, Snag wrote:
  It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating
coolant in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe
condensate gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what
I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
  Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve -
4 valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4Â . The crack is in the
same cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a
1999 , got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around
1400-1800 bucks - I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right
now" . Between the heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000
total), the SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And
that's with me doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop
it would be another 2 to 3 grand . While the motor would have a new
top end , the rest of the vehicle will still have 347k miles on it .
And who knows what will fail next ? Nickel and dimin' is one thing ,
but when the repairs run a couple thousand at a whack ...
That's a tough one, but when one looks at the cost of a new road legal vehicle today and the devaluation of currency its a tougher call. IMO. Maybe you have a ready supply of good used vehicles in your part of the country to mitigate that a bit, but out here good used vehicles have
gone crazy for price. The economy is going weak so maybe that will
help, but I think that's a mixed bag. When the economy is weak more
people who have to have a vehicle buy a used one to get by instead of
buying new.
4Runner. At first I thought you were talking about an ATC/V. Then I realized Toyota 4Runner SUV. Any options for a total engine change Like rebuild the mounts and drop a 350/turbo350 in it and register it as a
classic or collector plate? Not old enough? I don't even know if
that's possible like it was with the old Land Cruisers.
It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating coolant
in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe
condensate gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what
I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
 Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve - 4 valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4 . The crack is in the same cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a 1999
, got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around 1400-1800
bucks - I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right now" .
Between the heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000 total), the
SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And that's with me
doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop it would be
another 2 to 3 grand . While the motor would have a new top end , the
rest of the vehicle will still have 347k miles on it . And who knows
what will fail next ? Nickel and dimin' is one thing , but when the
repairs run a couple thousand at a whack ...
I'm hoping to find a private seller ... we're looking for something
older than most want , probably no newer than 2006 or 2007 . Newer than
that is where the prices get crazy .
On 7/12/2023 10:40 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 7/11/2023 7:37 PM, Snag wrote:
  It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating
coolant in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe
condensate gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what
I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
  Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve -
4 valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4Â . The crack is in the
same cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a
1999 , got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around
1400-1800 bucks - I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right
now" . Between the heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000
total), the SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And
that's with me doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop
it would be another 2 to 3 grand . While the motor would have a new
top end , the rest of the vehicle will still have 347k miles on it .
And who knows what will fail next ? Nickel and dimin' is one thing ,
but when the repairs run a couple thousand at a whack ...
That's a tough one, but when one looks at the cost of a new road legal
vehicle today and the devaluation of currency its a tougher call.
IMO. Maybe you have a ready supply of good used vehicles in your part
of the country to mitigate that a bit, but out here good used vehicles
have gone crazy for price. The economy is going weak so maybe that
will help, but I think that's a mixed bag. When the economy is weak
more people who have to have a vehicle buy a used one to get by
instead of buying new.
 I'm hoping to find a private seller ... we're looking for something
older than most want , probably no newer than 2006 or 2007 . Newer than
that is where the prices get crazy .
4Runner. At first I thought you were talking about an ATC/V. Then I
realized Toyota 4Runner SUV. Any options for a total engine change
Like rebuild the mounts and drop a 350/turbo350 in it and register it
as a classic or collector plate? Not old enough? I don't even know
if that's possible like it was with the old Land Cruisers.
 Not quite old enough for an antique tag here , gotta be over I think
40 years now . I grandfathered in with the 1990 Ultra and my '86 GMC
pickup . I don't think the engine compartment is big enough for a 350
... and since it's a 4WD the hydramatic is out too . I'm going to be
real picky about the next car ideally I would love another 4Runner , I
really like this SUV and Toyota has a great rep with their 5VZ motor .
If this unit had 100k less miles I'd be fixing it ...
On 7/11/2023 7:37 PM, Snag wrote:
It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating coolant
in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe condensate
gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what I thought was
likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve - 4
valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4 . The crack is in the same
cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a 1999 ,
got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around 1400-1800 bucks
- I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right now" . Between the
heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000 total), the SUV just isn't
worth the cost of repairs to us . And that's with me doing all the
mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop it would be another 2 to 3 grand
. While the motor would have a new top end , the rest of the vehicle
will still have 347k miles on it . And who knows what will fail next ?
Nickel and dimin' is one thing , but when the repairs run a couple
thousand at a whack ...
That's a tough one, but when one looks at the cost of a new road legal >vehicle today and the devaluation of currency its a tougher call. IMO.
Maybe you have a ready supply of good used vehicles in your part of the >country to mitigate that a bit, but out here good used vehicles have
gone crazy for price. The economy is going weak so maybe that will
help, but I think that's a mixed bag. When the economy is weak more
people who have to have a vehicle buy a used one to get by instead of
buying new.
4Runner. At first I thought you were talking about an ATC/V. Then I >realized Toyota 4Runner SUV. Any options for a total engine change Like >rebuild the mounts and drop a 350/turbo350 in it and register it as a
classic or collector plate? Not old enough? I don't even know if
that's possible like it was with the old Land Cruisers.
--If the frame and body are solid I DEFINITELY would repair or replace
Bob La Londe
Proffessional Hack, Hobbyist, Wannabe, Shade Tree, Button Pushing, Not a
real machinist
On 7/12/2023 10:40 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:Mileage doesn't mean much if it's been maintained, and even early
On 7/11/2023 7:37 PM, Snag wrote:
It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating
coolant in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe
condensate gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what
I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve -
4 valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4 . The crack is in the
same cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a
1999 , got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around
1400-1800 bucks - I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right
now" . Between the heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000
total), the SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And
that's with me doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop
it would be another 2 to 3 grand . While the motor would have a new
top end , the rest of the vehicle will still have 347k miles on it .
And who knows what will fail next ? Nickel and dimin' is one thing ,
but when the repairs run a couple thousand at a whack ...
That's a tough one, but when one looks at the cost of a new road legal
vehicle today and the devaluation of currency its a tougher call. IMO.
Maybe you have a ready supply of good used vehicles in your part of the
country to mitigate that a bit, but out here good used vehicles have
gone crazy for price. The economy is going weak so maybe that will
help, but I think that's a mixed bag. When the economy is weak more
people who have to have a vehicle buy a used one to get by instead of
buying new.
I'm hoping to find a private seller ... we're looking for something
older than most want , probably no newer than 2006 or 2007 . Newer than
that is where the prices get crazy .
4Runner. At first I thought you were talking about an ATC/V. Then I
realized Toyota 4Runner SUV. Any options for a total engine change Like
rebuild the mounts and drop a 350/turbo350 in it and register it as a
classic or collector plate? Not old enough? I don't even know if
that's possible like it was with the old Land Cruisers.
Not quite old enough for an antique tag here , gotta be over I think
40 years now . I grandfathered in with the 1990 Ultra and my '86 GMC
pickup . I don't think the engine compartment is big enough for a 350
... and since it's a 4WD the hydramatic is out too . I'm going to be
real picky about the next car ideally I would love another 4Runner , I
really like this SUV and Toyota has a great rep with their 5VZ motor .
If this unit had 100k less miles I'd be fixing it ...
On 7/12/2023 9:24 AM, Snag wrote:
On 7/12/2023 10:40 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
On 7/11/2023 7:37 PM, Snag wrote:
It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating
coolant in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe
condensate gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what
I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve -
4 valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4 . The crack is in the
same cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a
1999 , got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around
1400-1800 bucks - I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right
now" . Between the heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000
total), the SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And
that's with me doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop
it would be another 2 to 3 grand . While the motor would have a new
top end , the rest of the vehicle will still have 347k miles on it .
And who knows what will fail next ? Nickel and dimin' is one thing ,
but when the repairs run a couple thousand at a whack ...
That's a tough one, but when one looks at the cost of a new road legal
vehicle today and the devaluation of currency its a tougher call.
IMO. Maybe you have a ready supply of good used vehicles in your part
of the country to mitigate that a bit, but out here good used vehicles
have gone crazy for price. The economy is going weak so maybe that
will help, but I think that's a mixed bag. When the economy is weak
more people who have to have a vehicle buy a used one to get by
instead of buying new.
I'm hoping to find a private seller ... we're looking for something
older than most want , probably no newer than 2006 or 2007 . Newer than
that is where the prices get crazy .
4Runner. At first I thought you were talking about an ATC/V. Then I
realized Toyota 4Runner SUV. Any options for a total engine change
Like rebuild the mounts and drop a 350/turbo350 in it and register it
as a classic or collector plate? Not old enough? I don't even know
if that's possible like it was with the old Land Cruisers.
Not quite old enough for an antique tag here , gotta be over I think
40 years now . I grandfathered in with the 1990 Ultra and my '86 GMC
pickup . I don't think the engine compartment is big enough for a 350
... and since it's a 4WD the hydramatic is out too . I'm going to be
real picky about the next car ideally I would love another 4Runner , I
really like this SUV and Toyota has a great rep with their 5VZ motor .
If this unit had 100k less miles I'd be fixing it ...
Yeah, I do seem to recall the old Land Cruiser retros use an adapter
plate or a semi custom bell housing with the stock transmission. Not
really my thing so forgive my ignorance.
Yeah, I know special plates historic/collector/etc plates vary from
state to state. I know my cousin in another state said he ran collector >plates on just about everything to avoid headaches.
--What many don't know is the 'Cruiser 6 cyl "F" engine was made under
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
On 12/07/2023 03:37, Snag wrote:
It's been puffing a little steam on cold startup , indicating coolant
in the combustion chamber(s) - a sweet taste in the tailpipe
condensate gave it away . Got the right side head off today and what
I thought was likely to be a head gasket seep wasn't .
 Turns out there's a crack between an intake and an exhaust valve - 4
valves per cylinder , 24 total V6 DOHC 3.4Â . The crack is in the same
cylinder that blew a spark plug out 3 0r 4 years ago . This is a 1999
, got 347,000 miles on it , and a set of heads runs around 1400-1800
bucks - I'm not going to replace "just what's broke right now" .
Between the heads and all the other parts needed (~$3,000 total), the
SUV just isn't worth the cost of repairs to us . And that's with me
doing all the mechanickin' , if we were paying a shop it would be
another 2 to 3 grand . While the motor would have a new top end , the
rest of the vehicle will still have 347k miles on it . And who knows
what will fail next ? Nickel and dimin' is one thing , but when the
repairs run a couple thousand at a whack ...
Is it worth trying some of that crack sealant that's sold for cases like this.
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/4runner/1999/
On 7/13/2023 5:29 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/4runner/1999/
 You just convinced me that getting another motor is a good idea ... I
can have a used motor with 50-65000 here in a week or so for less than
3500 bucks - or a reman from O'Reilly for about the same money . I had
no idea these were worth that kind of money , we paid around $4000 for
this one 9 years ago .
On 7/13/2023 5:29 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/4runner/1999/
You just convinced me that getting another motor is a good idea ... I
can have a used motor with 50-65000 here in a week or so for less than
3500 bucks - or a reman from O'Reilly for about the same money . I had no idea these were worth that kind of money , we paid around $4000 for this
one 9 years ago .
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
On 7/13/2023 6:50 AM, Snag wrote:
On 7/13/2023 5:29 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/4runner/1999/
  You just convinced me that getting another motor is a good idea ...
I can have a used motor with 50-65000 here in a week or so for less
than 3500 bucks - or a reman from O'Reilly for about the same money .
I had no idea these were worth that kind of money , we paid around
$4000 for this one 9 years ago .
 Well , the ball is rolling , talked to a local shop about install and
the vendor about payment and delivery . This is a low mileage motor from Japan with 50-65k miles . Might be almost broke in !
 If I wasn't so old and tired I'd do it myself , but what the hall ,
it's only money .
Snag
---------------------------
Good luck!
I hope I didn't mislead you. I have two old vehicles that I've kept
fixing though neither is worth very much. Both have practical and useful features that newer and more stylish vehicles have dropped.
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car
each year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely
exceeded a few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop manuals for them so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the
bank earning 4% interest for when I do need a new one, and every few
years I test drive a possible replacement.
On 7/13/2023 11:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:Good move - and the "experienced" engine is likely to be a much
"Snag" wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car
each year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely
exceeded a few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop
manuals for them so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the
bank earning 4% interest for when I do need a new one, and every few
years I test drive a possible replacement.
I absolutely detest car shopping . they'll lie to your face and stick
you in the back for a few bucks . The 4Runner has been dependable aside
from one or two issues that I repaired for a few bucks . We put around
90,000 on it in 9 years , and aside from tires and oil changes I bet we >haven't spent over 1500 bucks on maintenance . With a "new" motor I
expect we'll get many more miles out of it .
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:05:54 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 7/13/2023 11:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:Good move - and the "experienced" engine is likely to be a much
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car
each year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely
exceeded a few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop
manuals for them so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the
bank earning 4% interest for when I do need a new one, and every few
years I test drive a possible replacement.
I absolutely detest car shopping . they'll lie to your face and stick
you in the back for a few bucks . The 4Runner has been dependable aside >>from one or two issues that I repaired for a few bucks . We put around
90,000 on it in 9 years , and aside from tires and oil changes I bet we
haven't spent over 1500 bucks on maintenance . With a "new" motor I
expect we'll get many more miles out of it .
better engine than the "rebuild". If the rust worm doesn't get them 4 Runners. like Land Cruisers, will go forever if you don't abuse them.
Sure, you will have parts wear out, but with the price of ANY
replacement truck or SUV you can keep the 'Runner going for less than
half the interest cost on a new one. Heck, you can keep a FORD on the
road for less than half the interest cost
23 years old, 383000km Ford Ranger - less than $500 a year on repairs
and maintenance over the last 11 years - INCLUDING replacing the box!
"Snag" wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car each >year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely exceeded a
few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop manuals for them >so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the bank earning 4% interest >for when I do need a new one, and every few years I test drive a possible >replacement.
On 7/13/2023 10:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:05:54 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 7/13/2023 11:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:Â Good move - and the "experienced" engine is likely to be a much
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car >>>> each year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely
exceeded a few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop >>>> manuals for them so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the
bank earning 4% interest for when I do need a new one, and every few
years I test drive a possible replacement.
  I absolutely detest car shopping . they'll lie to your face and stick >>> you in the back for a few bucks . The 4Runner has been dependable aside
from one or two issues that I repaired for a few bucks . We put
around 90,000 on it in 9 years , and aside from tires and oil changes
I bet we
haven't spent over 1500 bucks on maintenance . With a "new" motor I
expect we'll get many more miles out of it .
better engine than the "rebuild". If the rust worm doesn't get them 4
Runners. like Land Cruisers, will go forever if you don't abuse them.
Sure, you will have parts wear out, but with the price of ANY
replacement truck or SUV you can keep the 'Runner going for less than
half the interest cost on a new one. Heck, you can keep a FORD on the
road for less than half the interest cost
23 years old, 383000km Ford Ranger - less than $500 a year on repairs
and maintenance over the last 11 years - INCLUDING replacing the box!
 The only rust on this one is the rear bumper . The car has spent it's whole life here in Arkansas where we rarely salt the roads . I do still
need to replace the sway bar bushings , I had the parts in hand (along
with all the stuff to do a head gasket replacement) but returned them
when we thought we were going to buy something else . I should have
replaced them when I did the links to the lower a frames a month ago ...
On 7/14/2023 4:31 AM, Snag wrote:
On 7/13/2023 10:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:05:54 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 7/13/2023 11:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:Â Good move - and the "experienced" engine is likely to be a much
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car >>>>> each year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely
exceeded a few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop >>>>> manuals for them so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the >>>>> bank earning 4% interest for when I do need a new one, and every few >>>>> years I test drive a possible replacement.
  I absolutely detest car shopping . they'll lie to your face and
stick
you in the back for a few bucks . The 4Runner has been dependable aside >>>> from one or two issues that I repaired for a few bucks . We put
around 90,000 on it in 9 years , and aside from tires and oil
changes I bet we
haven't spent over 1500 bucks on maintenance . With a "new" motor I
expect we'll get many more miles out of it .
better engine than the "rebuild". If the rust worm doesn't get them 4
Runners. like Land Cruisers, will go forever if you don't abuse them.
Sure, you will have parts wear out, but with the price of ANY
replacement truck or SUV you can keep the 'Runner going for less than
half the interest cost on a new one. Heck, you can keep a FORD on the
road for less than half the interest cost
23 years old, 383000km Ford Ranger - less than $500 a year on repairs
and maintenance over the last 11 years - INCLUDING replacing the box!
  The only rust on this one is the rear bumper . The car has spent
it's whole life here in Arkansas where we rarely salt the roads . I do
still need to replace the sway bar bushings , I had the parts in hand
(along with all the stuff to do a head gasket replacement) but
returned them when we thought we were going to buy something else . I
should have replaced them when I did the links to the lower a frames a
month ago ...
Please keep us up to date on how it works out for you. I'm looking
forward to seeing a glory shot with it one wheel posed on a bolder.
"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> on Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:46:32
-0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
"Snag" wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car each >> year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely exceeded a
few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop manuals for them >> so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the bank earning 4% interest >> for when I do need a new one, and every few years I test drive a possible
replacement.
I paid off the car, then reduced the car payment, and am "saving
up" for the eventual replacement.
On 7/14/2023 4:31 AM, Snag wrote:
On 7/13/2023 10:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:05:54 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 7/13/2023 11:46 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:Â Good move - and the "experienced" engine is likely to be a much
"Snag"Â wrote in message news:u8p33d$3m3hb$1@dont-email.me...
.... fix or replace? ...
I figure that I break even if I spend 1/10th of the price of a new car >>>>> each year on repairing the old one instead. In practice it's rarely
exceeded a few hundred a year plus my labor. I bought the factory shop >>>>> manuals for them so I'm not just guessing. The money saved is in the >>>>> bank earning 4% interest for when I do need a new one, and every few >>>>> years I test drive a possible replacement.
  I absolutely detest car shopping . they'll lie to your face and
stick
you in the back for a few bucks . The 4Runner has been dependable aside >>>> from one or two issues that I repaired for a few bucks . We put
around 90,000 on it in 9 years , and aside from tires and oil
changes I bet we
haven't spent over 1500 bucks on maintenance . With a "new" motor I
expect we'll get many more miles out of it .
better engine than the "rebuild". If the rust worm doesn't get them 4
Runners. like Land Cruisers, will go forever if you don't abuse them.
Sure, you will have parts wear out, but with the price of ANY
replacement truck or SUV you can keep the 'Runner going for less than
half the interest cost on a new one. Heck, you can keep a FORD on the
road for less than half the interest cost
23 years old, 383000km Ford Ranger - less than $500 a year on repairs
and maintenance over the last 11 years - INCLUDING replacing the box!
  The only rust on this one is the rear bumper . The car has spent
it's whole life here in Arkansas where we rarely salt the roads . I do
still need to replace the sway bar bushings , I had the parts in hand
(along with all the stuff to do a head gasket replacement) but
returned them when we thought we were going to buy something else . I
should have replaced them when I did the links to the lower a frames a
month ago ...
Please keep us up to date on how it works out for you. I'm looking
forward to seeing a glory shot with it one wheel posed on a bolder.
We could have paid cash for a newer car , I just didn't like the
local offerings . Newer stuff has way too much electronics for my taste
- especially stuff like onstar and other tracking stuff .
We could have paid cash for a newer car , I just didn't like the
local offerings . Newer stuff has way too much electronics for my taste
- especially stuff like onstar and other tracking stuff .
"Leon Fisk" wrote in message news:u8u4s9$ctq3$1@dont-email.me...
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 19:49:56 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
<snip>
We could have paid cash for a newer car , I just didn't like the
local offerings . Newer stuff has way too much electronics for my taste
- especially stuff like onstar and other tracking stuff .
I pulled the fuses for OnStar in my used 2013 Impala shortly after
getting it. Has been a few articles that older vehicles like mine
were losing it anyway due to 3G cellular shutting down. For instance:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39301678/3g-internet-sunset-cars/
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI
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4G LTE support allegedly will continue at least to 2030. >https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/2g-3g-4g-lte-network-shutdown-updates
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 19:49:56 -0500
Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
<snip>
We could have paid cash for a newer car , I just didn't like the
local offerings . Newer stuff has way too much electronics for my taste
- especially stuff like onstar and other tracking stuff .
I pulled the fuses for OnStar in my used 2013 Impala shortly after
getting it. Has been a few articles that older vehicles like mine
were losing it anyway due to 3G cellular shutting down. For instance:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39301678/3g-internet-sunset-cars/
I do not know if they are still available, but there used to be an >aftermarket replacement unit for the early Onstar radio modules that
would integrate your in vehicle mic/speaker/radio management with your
cell phone. I debated using one for the onstar in my 2007 Silverado,
but even when I had Onstar service I never used it.
"Bob La Londe"Â wrote in message news:u8ug6l$e5rg$1@dont-email.me...
I do not know at what level the data is stored these days, but the
onboard computer of newer modern vehicles has some black box like
telemetry storage. I read some casual big brother articles on it and
the NHTSA requirements some time back, but I never really got into it.
Bob La Londe
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At least 10 and perhaps 20 years ago a former mechanic told me a story
about a warranty claim denial based on stored data. I didn't hear or
don't clearly remember the make or year of the vehicle, it may have been
a GM in the 90's.
The claim was for a broken transmission on a car the owner said was a
lemon. The mechanic downloaded data proving the owner had shifted into reverse at over 120 MPH to intentionally destroy it.
The CAN Bus that enabled and standardized 2-wire communications between automotive electronic modules was introduced around 1990. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus
GM introduced their proprietary "Computer Command Control" data
transmission and storage in 1981. OBD-II diagnostic code data collection
has been mandatory since 1996.
Memory chips that can retain data with only a tiny keep-alive power
drain have been available since the early 80's. I incorporated some into
my homebrew computer around 1983 to allow it to save its operating state
when power was off, like Sleep or Hibernation but faster since it wasn't
on disk.
Now that ROHS (Reduction of Hazardous Substances) has banned the long-proven >optimal chemistry of materials, failures can occur at any time in the >product's life. Significantly the restrictions have been waived where the >higher chance of failure risks human life. >https://www.getenviropass.com/rohs-exemption/
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