• Oldies but goodies Re: deburring inside drilled tubing?

    From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 09:08:46 2023
    Shawn Olsen <s.a.olsen.artist@gmail.com> on Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:33:51
    -0700 (PDT) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
    On Saturday, January 22, 2005 at 12:51:46?PM UTC-6, Wayne Lundberg wrote:
    Back when I was a practicing Mfg. Eng. at Solar Turbines I did extensive
    research into deburring the inside hole made in tubing. I failed to find
    anything really earth-shaking.
    I'm faced with the problem again in advising a client of mine on how to
    deburr the 15 holes he is drilling in 1" od aluminum tubing to create his
    telescopic affair for his cargo net for pickup trucks. He bought a neat
    deburring tool from McMaster, on my recommendation, and is using it quite
    well, but his hand and wrist gets tired after about the 100th hole. He does >> not want to follow the logical step in taking the work to Mexico or China. >> He wants his product to be made in the USA.
    Any burr left on the inside of the tube screws up the easy telescoping
    movement and scratches the inner tube as well.
    Anybody have any proven success with this kind of problem?
    I told him this is one reason so many manufacturers have gone to Mexico or >> China because deburring is really one of those pesky problems requiring
    human hands. Of course he could do the work on a CNC machine and maybe we
    could find a shop to do it but the cost is going to be enormous when he is >> only dealing with a thousand holes a month. Now.
    Wayne

    Can you pump abrasive slurry through it?

    Granted a little late, but something modeled on a brake cylinder
    hone might work
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 12:28:23 2023
    "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message news:tc06hippbmpegm6oniu4sjo55b54mbrg39@4ax.com...

    Granted a little late, but something modeled on a brake cylinder
    hone might work
    pyotr filipivich

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    When I was hunting for low cost used components to build my bucket loader
    the owner of a hydraulics shop proudly showed me the large cylinder honing machine he had designed and built.

    Apparently the bore needs to be very smooth but not necessary exactly round
    or straight, the seals can accommodate variations. It's not like reboring an engine cylinder.

    IIRC a former poster here had a business of resleeving brake cylinders with brass or bronze.

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Tue Sep 26 17:13:29 2023
    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:

    Granted a little late, but something modeled on a brake cylinder
    hone might work

    I duct-tape one end of a strip of abrasive cloth to a piece of dowel,
    wrap the strip around the dowel a few turns in the correct direction
    and put the dowel in an electric drill or drill press. Insert dowel
    in tube and run the drill. Grit of abrasive and size of dowel
    obviously to be chosen to suit requirements.

    Perhaps unsuitable for production work but it serves me fine for
    various one-offs.

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 27 11:59:04 2023
    On 9/27/2023 11:27 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Mike Spencer"  wrote in message news:874jjgbsly.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere...
    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:

    Granted a little late, but something modeled on a brake cylinder
    hone might work

    I duct-tape one end of a strip of abrasive cloth to a piece of dowel,
    wrap the strip around the dowel a few turns in the correct direction
    and put the dowel in an electric drill or drill press.  Insert dowel
    in tube and run the drill. Grit of abrasive and size of dowel
    obviously to be chosen to suit requirements.

    Perhaps unsuitable for production work but it serves me fine for
    various one-offs.

    Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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    I thought about and may have tried winding thin foam with the sandpaper
    to maintain pressure as the abrasive wears down. Today at the auto parts store they had sandpaper with grit as fine as 5000.


    What's that equivalent to in microns ? I have diamond paste ... I
    think "W 1" is one micron ? I was intending to use it to lap a loose
    roller bearing outer race on a 1939 Harley transmission . It's .0015"
    out of round and that causes all kinds of grief .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Wed Sep 27 12:27:13 2023
    "Mike Spencer" wrote in message
    news:874jjgbsly.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere...
    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:

    Granted a little late, but something modeled on a brake cylinder
    hone might work

    I duct-tape one end of a strip of abrasive cloth to a piece of dowel,
    wrap the strip around the dowel a few turns in the correct direction
    and put the dowel in an electric drill or drill press. Insert dowel
    in tube and run the drill. Grit of abrasive and size of dowel
    obviously to be chosen to suit requirements.

    Perhaps unsuitable for production work but it serves me fine for
    various one-offs.

    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

    -------------------------------

    I thought about and may have tried winding thin foam with the sandpaper to maintain pressure as the abrasive wears down. Today at the auto parts store they had sandpaper with grit as fine as 5000.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Sep 27 12:14:16 2023
    On 9/27/2023 11:59 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 9/27/2023 11:27 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Mike Spencer"  wrote in message
    news:874jjgbsly.fsf@enoch.nodomain.nowhere...
    pyotr filipivich <phamp@mindspring.com> writes:

    Granted a little late, but something modeled on a brake cylinder
    hone might work

    I duct-tape one end of a strip of abrasive cloth to a piece of dowel,
    wrap the strip around the dowel a few turns in the correct direction
    and put the dowel in an electric drill or drill press.  Insert dowel
    in tube and run the drill. Grit of abrasive and size of dowel
    obviously to be chosen to suit requirements.

    Perhaps unsuitable for production work but it serves me fine for
    various one-offs.

    Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

    -------------------------------

    I thought about and may have tried winding thin foam with the
    sandpaper to maintain pressure as the abrasive wears down. Today at
    the auto parts store they had sandpaper with grit as fine as 5000.


      What's that equivalent to in microns ? I have diamond paste ... I
    think "W 1" is one micron ? I was intending to use it to lap a loose
    roller bearing outer race on a 1939 Harley transmission . It's .0015"
    out of round and that causes all kinds of grief .

    Clarification : I have several tubes of the diamond lapping paste
    with "W" numbers up to 40 .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 27 13:23:38 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:uf1n0p$36ds7$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/27/2023 11:27 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    Today at the auto parts
    store they had sandpaper with grit as fine as 5000.


    What's that equivalent to in microns ? I have diamond paste ... I
    think "W 1" is one micron ? I was intending to use it to lap a loose
    roller bearing outer race on a 1939 Harley transmission . It's .0015"
    out of round and that causes all kinds of grief .
    Snag

    ---------------------------

    1/5000" or 0.0002" is 5 microns. I once demonstrated that I could adjust a 4 jaw lathe chuck by 1 micron to qualify for an optics tech job.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 27 12:51:32 2023
    On 9/27/2023 12:23 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:uf1n0p$36ds7$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/27/2023 11:27 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    Today at the auto parts
    store they had sandpaper with grit as fine as 5000.


      What's that equivalent to in microns ? I have diamond paste ... I
    think "W 1" is one micron ? I was intending to use it to lap a loose
    roller bearing outer race on a 1939 Harley transmission . It's .0015"
    out of round and that causes all kinds of grief .
    Snag

    ---------------------------

    1/5000" or 0.0002" is 5 microns. I once demonstrated that I could adjust
    a 4 jaw lathe chuck by 1 micron to qualify for an optics tech job.

    Now that's just plain showin' off . I can usually dial it under a
    thou , but depending on the project and subsequent operations even that
    is overkill .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Sep 27 18:55:31 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:uf1q35$37574$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/27/2023 12:23 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag" wrote in message news:uf1n0p$36ds7$1@dont-email.me...

    On 9/27/2023 11:27 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    Today at the auto parts
    store they had sandpaper with grit as fine as 5000.


    What's that equivalent to in microns ? I have diamond paste ... I
    think "W 1" is one micron ? I was intending to use it to lap a loose
    roller bearing outer race on a 1939 Harley transmission . It's .0015"
    out of round and that causes all kinds of grief .
    Snag

    ---------------------------

    1/5000" or 0.0002" is 5 microns. I once demonstrated that I could adjust a
    4 jaw lathe chuck by 1 micron to qualify for an optics tech job.

    Now that's just plain showin' off . I can usually dial it under a
    thou , but depending on the project and subsequent operations even that
    is overkill .
    Snag

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    They brought me into that project as the electronic tech and I demonstrated that I could also handle the closely related optical tech,
    microwave-specific mechanical design and machining aspects of it, at least
    for the laboratory proof of concept. That's how I advanced beyond the expectations of the job I'd been hired for. My partly realized goal was to convince the engineers that they could design outside the bounds of their specialty and ask me to fill in the blanks or know which expert to call on. https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040022537

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