• Rhythmic vibration at certain speeds

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 19:33:33 2023
    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
    such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
    the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just
    replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
    --
    Snag
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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Oct 3 21:00:27 2023
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:33:33 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
    such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
    the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't >complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just >replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
    Let me guess - the right one?? Right front braring failure seems to
    be most common and at 340000 miles I'd say you were getting close to
    due. On a Ford or a Chebbie you'd likely be about ready for #3 or 4

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Tue Oct 3 20:30:51 2023
    On 10/3/2023 8:00 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:33:33 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
    such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
    the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't
    complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just
    replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
    Let me guess - the right one?? Right front braring failure seems to
    be most common and at 340000 miles I'd say you were getting close to
    due. On a Ford or a Chebbie you'd likely be about ready for #3 or 4


    Nope, this one was on the left front . The same wheel that had a
    lower ball joint failure* a couple of years ago in Memphis .

    *That one was purely my fault . There were indicators of a problem that
    I didn't recognize . I should have been researching the indications ...

    The majority of problems I had today were from press setups . The
    longer I have a hydraulic press* the more odds and ends I seem to
    accumulate to make it adaptable to the task at hand . I need to add a
    box for blocks etc .

    *I recently upgraded the original HF 12T press with an air/hydraulic
    20T bottle jack.
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 07:54:22 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufif8f$3r4cq$1@dont-email.me...

    The majority of problems I had today were from press setups . The
    longer I have a hydraulic press* the more odds and ends I seem to
    accumulate to make it adaptable to the task at hand . I need to add a
    box for blocks etc .

    *I recently upgraded the original HF 12T press with an air/hydraulic
    20T bottle jack.
    Snag

    -------------------------

    One of my justifications for buying machine shop stuff was to make custom repair parts and tooling. Since then I found that most car wear parts
    weren't machined and I could borrow a lot of special tooling like ball joint removers from Autozone, after cleaning up enough to drive there in the other vehicle. Have you been able to make hydraulic press fixtures as needed?

    Lawn and garden equipment is more easily repaired with custom machined parts such as bronze bushings that replace stamped or molded plastic ones.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 07:31:46 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufibsr$3qf4b$1@dont-email.me...

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared.

    ----------------------------

    I've had two wheel symptoms that turned out to be other than what I guessed.

    The first was on the 91 Ford Ranger. I could feel a vibration in the
    steering wheel at 30 and 60MPH. I suspected wheel balance and built a
    balancer that supported the wheel adjustably close to its 3 dimensional
    center of gravity, allowing high sensitivity. When spun it moved from the
    level static to the wobbling dynamic balance position so I adjusted both.
    The down side was that the balancing point wore quickly, but it did work
    well for one balancing, then required remachining and readjusting.

    This almost solved the vibration. While installing the wheel I happened to
    move my head to a position that revealed that the top of the shock had
    broken loose at its rusty mount, which was hidden behind a flange on the
    spring and shock mount stamping. The factory manual specifies how to replace the riveted spring mount with a bolted one.

    The Honda made scraping/grinding noises when turning while driving, but not when jacked up. After disassembling the brakes and rotor I found that the bearing end play was well within spec; the cause was rust that had fallen
    into the narrow gap between the wheel hub and knuckle, blowing it out cured
    the problem. I think the rotor and dust shield may have amplified the
    scraping sound. The test is driving with the windows open in built-up areas where the buildings reflect back wheel and other noises.

    A British classic car show displayed a poster lamenting the worries caused
    by hearing abnormal sounds and wondering which of several usual suspects
    needed service.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 13:14:37 2023
    "Joe Gwinn" wrote in message news:6l5rhihk0edk7v3ldgm81ksqvd3avr42eu@4ax.com...

    I must say that if one intends to run a vehicle for that many miles,
    it might be best to go to an airplane-style maintenance approach,
    where all critical items are replaced on a fixed schedule chosen to
    eliminate the possibility of in-service failures. There will still be
    surprise failures, but far less often or consequential.

    Having all maintenance being scheduled allows for many economies of
    time and money.

    Joe Gwinn

    ---------------------------

    I've tried that with mixed results. If the vehicle is old enough that only aftermarket parts are available the originals may be more reliable, the
    voltage regulator on my 91 Ford for example. After a spare one failed I put
    the original regulator back in and just use the brushes from replacements.

    Today I replaced the entire after-cat exhaust on my Honda, though only one
    pipe was bad. The OEM catcon had been replaced earlier this year because its rear flange rotted away. What is your experience with type 409 stainless exhausts? I read that it's what factory ones are made from and may rust on
    the surface, as the chromium content is lower than for 304.

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Oct 4 12:50:22 2023
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:33:33 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
    such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
    the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't >complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just >replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .

    I must say that if one intends to run a vehicle for that many miles,
    it might be best to go to an airplane-style maintenance approach,
    where all critical items are replaced on a fixed schedule chosen to
    eliminate the possibility of in-service failures. There will still be
    surprise failures, but far less often or consequential.

    Having all maintenance being scheduled allows for many economies of
    time and money.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to muratlanne@gmail.com on Wed Oct 4 17:12:49 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:14:37 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Joe Gwinn" wrote in message >news:6l5rhihk0edk7v3ldgm81ksqvd3avr42eu@4ax.com...

    I must say that if one intends to run a vehicle for that many miles,
    it might be best to go to an airplane-style maintenance approach,
    where all critical items are replaced on a fixed schedule chosen to
    eliminate the possibility of in-service failures. There will still be >surprise failures, but far less often or consequential.

    Having all maintenance being scheduled allows for many economies of
    time and money.

    Joe Gwinn

    ---------------------------

    I've tried that with mixed results. If the vehicle is old enough that only >aftermarket parts are available the originals may be more reliable, the >voltage regulator on my 91 Ford for example. After a spare one failed I put >the original regulator back in and just use the brushes from replacements.

    I didn't have that experience, but then again I gave up on my old
    Volvo at 150,000 miles because things were failing faster and faster
    than I could fix them.


    Today I replaced the entire after-cat exhaust on my Honda, though only one >pipe was bad. The OEM catcon had been replaced earlier this year because its >rear flange rotted away. What is your experience with type 409 stainless >exhausts? I read that it's what factory ones are made from and may rust on >the surface, as the chromium content is lower than for 304.

    I did install the aftermarket stainless steel version of that old
    Volvo's exhaust system, and it never corroded, but I don't know what
    alloy it was. Hmm. I'd guess 302, which I think was invented for just
    such things.

    I'd bet that fatigue cracks would eventually happen, but could be
    repaired by welding and annealing.

    Joe Gwinn

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 4 16:03:21 2023
    On 10/4/2023 6:54 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufif8f$3r4cq$1@dont-email.me...

      The majority of problems I had today were from press setups . The
    longer I have a hydraulic press* the more odds and ends I seem to
    accumulate to make it adaptable to the task at hand . I need to add a
    box for blocks etc .

      *I recently upgraded the original HF 12T press with an air/hydraulic
    20T bottle jack.
    Snag

    -------------------------

    One of my justifications for buying machine shop stuff was to make
    custom repair parts and tooling. Since then I found that most car wear
    parts weren't machined and I could borrow a lot of special tooling like
    ball joint removers from Autozone, after cleaning up enough to drive
    there in the other vehicle. Have you been able to make hydraulic press fixtures as needed?


    Yes , for the most part . I'm going to be buying some solid square
    stock for when I replace the other side . What made this difficult is
    having the brake disc shield in place and no way to remove it without destroying it . Once I got the wheel hub out of the knuckle I could
    remove it for the rest of the press work .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 4 16:24:19 2023
    On 10/4/2023 12:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Joe Gwinn"  wrote in message news:6l5rhihk0edk7v3ldgm81ksqvd3avr42eu@4ax.com...

    I must say that if one intends to run a vehicle for that many miles,
    it might be best to go to an airplane-style maintenance approach,
    where all critical items are replaced on a fixed schedule chosen to
    eliminate the possibility of in-service failures.  There will still be surprise failures, but far less often or consequential.

    Having all maintenance being scheduled allows for many economies of
    time and money.

    Joe Gwinn

    ---------------------------

    I've tried that with mixed results. If the vehicle is old enough that
    only aftermarket parts are available the originals may be more reliable,
    the voltage regulator on my 91 Ford for example. After a spare one
    failed I put the original regulator back in and just use the brushes
    from replacements.

    Today I replaced the entire after-cat exhaust on my Honda, though only
    one pipe was bad. The OEM catcon had been replaced earlier this year
    because its rear flange rotted away. What is your experience with type
    409 stainless exhausts? I read that it's what factory ones are made from
    and may rust on the surface, as the chromium content is lower than for 304.

    Any idea which alloy the shops that bend up their own systems use ? I
    was given a custom system made for a '57 Chevy , which I cut up and
    pieced together for a system for my '86 GMC pickup . Never really
    thought about what it is .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Wed Oct 4 16:18:54 2023
    On 10/4/2023 11:50 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:33:33 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
    such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
    the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't
    complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just
    replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .

    I must say that if one intends to run a vehicle for that many miles,
    it might be best to go to an airplane-style maintenance approach,
    where all critical items are replaced on a fixed schedule chosen to
    eliminate the possibility of in-service failures. There will still be surprise failures, but far less often or consequential.

    Having all maintenance being scheduled allows for many economies of
    time and money.

    Joe Gwinn


    This is true . But I'm a neophyte in extremely high mileage vehicles
    . Well , we did drive that '96 Corsica til IIRC around 248k ... But
    anyway , I do all my own *work except automatic transmissions . I have a
    well equipped machine shop , and I have the time to do it right . Let's
    face it Joe , nobody cares about Snag's ass as much as Snag does . And
    that goes double for Mrs Snag . And especially when it comes to my
    motorcycles .

    *I did pay someone else to install the "new" motor in the 4Runner . I
    am totally not equipped to do that out here in the woods and I've seen
    this guy's work .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Oct 4 18:51:50 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufkjun$gq84$1@dont-email.me...

    What made this difficult is having the brake disc shield in place and no
    way to remove it without destroying it . Once I got the wheel hub out of
    the knuckle I could remove it for the rest of the press work .
    Snag

    The rotor dust shields on my Ford are galvanized sheet metal with the rim flange formed with stovepipe crimping pliers.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 4 18:44:24 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufkl65$h2ku$1@dont-email.me...

    On 10/4/2023 12:14 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    What is your experience with type 409 stainless exhausts? I read that it's what factory ones are made from and may rust on the surface, as the
    chromium content is lower than for 304.

    Any idea which alloy the shops that bend up their own systems use ? I
    was given a custom system made for a '57 Chevy , which I cut up and
    pieced together for a system for my '86 GMC pickup . Never really
    thought about what it is .
    Snag

    ----------------------------

    I asked around when I need a 2" stainless tube for my tube furnace, to
    temper a 5160 froe blade. They had no clue and it wasn't labeled. Amazon had
    a long enough piece grade 304 for beer brewing, with flanged ends, for less than the shop wanted to cut me a piece. It's a second with a defect in the inner wall but the furnace shouldn't care.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 19:38:22 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufks4q$igef$1@dont-email.me...

    Mine are original , and they're pristine . This 4Runner has spent
    it's entire life here in Arkansas . Only place there's excessive rust is
    the rear bumper . I should replace it ...
    Snag

    ------------

    Hopefully retirement means I won't have to drive on salty roads any more. Of course there are holidays and appointments to keep, but now I can spray
    under the car with a gutter cleaner to wash the salt off and not be as concerned with how long the water will take to thaw and let me drive again.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Oct 4 18:23:08 2023
    On 10/4/2023 5:51 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufkjun$gq84$1@dont-email.me...

    What made this difficult is having the brake disc shield in place and
    no way to remove it without destroying it . Once I got the wheel hub
    out of the knuckle I could remove it for the rest of the press work .
    Snag

    The rotor dust shields on my Ford are galvanized sheet metal with the
    rim flange formed with stovepipe crimping pliers.

    Mine are original , and they're pristine . This 4Runner has spent
    it's entire life here in Arkansas . Only place there's excessive rust is
    the rear bumper . I should replace it ...
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Thu Oct 5 00:41:53 2023
    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:23:08 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/4/2023 5:51 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufkjun$gq84$1@dont-email.me...

    What made this difficult is having the brake disc shield in place and
    no way to remove it without destroying it . Once I got the wheel hub
    out of the knuckle I could remove it for the rest of the press work .
    Snag

    The rotor dust shields on my Ford are galvanized sheet metal with the
    rim flange formed with stovepipe crimping pliers.

    Mine are original , and they're pristine . This 4Runner has spent
    it's entire life here in Arkansas . Only place there's excessive rust is
    the rear bumper . I should replace it ...
    I think those bumpers would eventually self destruct if the truck
    was left long enough on the showroom floor. That was ONE part of the 4
    runner that was junk (American made I believe)

    Just like Ford Ranger bumpers. Mine is likely the only original 1996
    ranger rear bumper in Canada that isn't rusted - and someone smashed
    it for me 4 weeks ago. No OEM, used, or third party replacements
    available from any known Canadian supplier - should be one arriving
    from Rock Auto tomorrow.

    It's a bugger when the insurance company wants to write off a
    perfectly good 28 year old truck because the bumper is bent - - - -
    $2800 repair estimate and no sheet metal samage or even a scratch on
    the paint - - - I guess the bumper COULD be repaired - all the
    brackets are like pretzels, 2 welds are torn out and it has about a 30
    degree twist in it. The frame mounted hitch appears to have saved the
    tailgate and tail lights and the back of the box - - -

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 00:30:43 2023
    On Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:12:49 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 13:14:37 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
    <muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Joe Gwinn" wrote in message >>news:6l5rhihk0edk7v3ldgm81ksqvd3avr42eu@4ax.com...

    I must say that if one intends to run a vehicle for that many miles,
    it might be best to go to an airplane-style maintenance approach,
    where all critical items are replaced on a fixed schedule chosen to >>eliminate the possibility of in-service failures. There will still be >>surprise failures, but far less often or consequential.

    Having all maintenance being scheduled allows for many economies of
    time and money.

    Joe Gwinn

    ---------------------------

    I've tried that with mixed results. If the vehicle is old enough that only >>aftermarket parts are available the originals may be more reliable, the >>voltage regulator on my 91 Ford for example. After a spare one failed I put >>the original regulator back in and just use the brushes from replacements.

    I didn't have that experience, but then again I gave up on my old
    Volvo at 150,000 miles because things were failing faster and faster
    than I could fix them.


    Today I replaced the entire after-cat exhaust on my Honda, though only one >>pipe was bad. The OEM catcon had been replaced earlier this year because its >>rear flange rotted away. What is your experience with type 409 stainless >>exhausts? I read that it's what factory ones are made from and may rust on >>the surface, as the chromium content is lower than for 304.

    I did install the aftermarket stainless steel version of that old
    Volvo's exhaust system, and it never corroded, but I don't know what
    alloy it was. Hmm. I'd guess 302, which I think was invented for just
    such things.

    I'd bet that fatigue cracks would eventually happen, but could be
    repaired by welding and annealing.

    Joe Gwinn
    Often the "experienced" parts last longer than the new replacement
    junk

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Snag on Thu Oct 5 08:42:54 2023
    "Clare Snyder" wrote in message news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    On Wed, 4 Oct 2023 18:23:08 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    Mine are original , and they're pristine . This 4Runner has spent
    it's entire life here in Arkansas . Only place there's excessive rust is
    the rear bumper . I should replace it ...
    I think those bumpers would eventually self destruct if the truck
    was left long enough on the showroom floor. That was ONE part of the 4
    runner that was junk (American made I believe)

    Just like Ford Ranger bumpers. Mine is likely the only original 1996
    ranger rear bumper in Canada that isn't rusted - and someone smashed
    it for me 4 weeks ago. No OEM, used, or third party replacements
    available from any known Canadian supplier - should be one arriving
    from Rock Auto tomorrow.
    ------------------------------------------

    Toyotas used to have a terrible rust problem here, reputedly from
    accumulating contamination in the recycled steel they used. The engines
    never wore out because they didn't have a chance to. Other Japanese makes weren't much better. Apparently the conditions that make steel good for
    forming auto bodies aren't the best for other reasons. Google isn't
    responding well to requests.

    I sandblasted the rust from my 91 Ranger's rear bumper well over a decade
    ago and SEM black trim paint has protected it since.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 12:23:26 2023
    Today's rustout problem: I'm running out of empty beer cans to press and
    clamp into models of the rear wheel well curves and bends.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 12:45:09 2023
    "Clare Snyder" wrote in message news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.

    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/
    section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers

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  • From pyotr filipivich@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 11:08:12 2023
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> on Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:30:51 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
    On 10/3/2023 8:00 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:33:33 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse >>> but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's >>> such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all >>> the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't
    complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just
    replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
    Let me guess - the right one?? Right front braring failure seems to
    be most common and at 340000 miles I'd say you were getting close to
    due. On a Ford or a Chebbie you'd likely be about ready for #3 or 4


    Nope, this one was on the left front . The same wheel that had a
    lower ball joint failure* a couple of years ago in Memphis .

    *That one was purely my fault . There were indicators of a problem that
    I didn't recognize . I should have been researching the indications ...

    The majority of problems I had today were from press setups . The
    longer I have a hydraulic press* the more odds and ends I seem to
    accumulate to make it adaptable to the task at hand . I need to add a
    box for blocks etc .

    *I recently upgraded the original HF 12T press with an air/hydraulic
    20T bottle jack.

    Verb Sap - if the left one is going, might as well replace the
    right one while you are at it.
    --
    pyotr filipivich
    "With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Oct 5 14:10:51 2023
    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.

    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/
    section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
    for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
    flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to pyotr filipivich on Thu Oct 5 14:15:42 2023
    On 10/5/2023 1:08 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> on Tue, 3 Oct 2023 20:30:51 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
    On 10/3/2023 8:00 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 19:33:33 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse >>>> but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking >>>> and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's >>>> such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I >>>> spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all >>>> the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't >>>> complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just >>>> replaced was OE .
    I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with >>>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .
    Let me guess - the right one?? Right front braring failure seems to
    be most common and at 340000 miles I'd say you were getting close to
    due. On a Ford or a Chebbie you'd likely be about ready for #3 or 4


    Nope, this one was on the left front . The same wheel that had a
    lower ball joint failure* a couple of years ago in Memphis .

    *That one was purely my fault . There were indicators of a problem that
    I didn't recognize . I should have been researching the indications ...

    The majority of problems I had today were from press setups . The
    longer I have a hydraulic press* the more odds and ends I seem to
    accumulate to make it adaptable to the task at hand . I need to add a
    box for blocks etc .

    *I recently upgraded the original HF 12T press with an air/hydraulic
    20T bottle jack.

    Verb Sap - if the left one is going, might as well replace the
    right one while you are at it.


    Already bought the parts . I need some lengths of square steel bar
    for better press fixturing before I do that one . It's still tight , I
    checked . I think a ball joint failure a couple years back might have
    had something to do with this failure .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Snag on Thu Oct 5 16:59:54 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufn210$13cfm$1@dont-email.me...

    I need some lengths of square steel bar for better press fixturing before
    I do that one.

    That's difficult to find as scrap and damaging to good stock. I have a rusty farm wagon axle that may be sacrificed, the rust pit pattern looks more like steel than wrought iron to me, there's no sign of a grain. I saved the main bearing caps from a scrapped Vega engine as press blocks.

    Milling machine table clamp sets have parts that might serve as press
    blocks.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Thu Oct 5 20:56:58 2023
    On 10/5/2023 3:59 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufn210$13cfm$1@dont-email.me...

    I need some lengths of square steel bar for better press fixturing
    before I do that one.

    That's difficult to find as scrap and damaging to good stock. I have a
    rusty farm wagon axle that may be sacrificed, the rust pit pattern looks
    more like steel than wrought iron to me, there's no sign of a grain. I
    saved the main bearing caps from a scrapped Vega engine as press blocks.

    Milling machine table clamp sets have parts that might serve as press
    blocks.



    I usually need rounds for pressing bearings and the like . This time I
    also need longer pieces to get around the brake disc shield . Talked to
    my neighbor earlier this evening he thinks he has some 1 1/4 square
    stock . That along with the 2 x 1/2" I have and some sections of square
    tube should make this one a lot easier than the first one . Experience
    is a great teacher ...
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 6 00:46:27 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
    news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.

    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-chassis/
    section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
    for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
    flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
    attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
    ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
    original partial grey one

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Fri Oct 6 07:02:57 2023
    On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
    news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper. >>>
    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-
    chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
    for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
    flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
    attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
    ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the original partial grey one


    After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
    for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
    available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
    as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
    money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
    she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
    Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
    on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
    the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
    all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 6 11:03:42 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
    news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper. >>>>
    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-
    chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee
    for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden
    flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
    attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
    ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
    original partial grey one


    After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
    for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely >available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
    as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
    money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
    she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
    Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
    on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
    the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
    all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .

    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 6 09:49:00 2023
    On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
      And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got worse
    but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more checking
    and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on the '99
    4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad that it's
    such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . Whatever , I
    spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced and almost all
    the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff that will make it
    easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one went the other
    ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and the bearing I just replaced was OE .
      I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .


    Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD. You don't swap the bearing.
    You replace the wheel hub assembly.

    I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
    bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


    --
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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 6 17:03:15 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
    that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .

    My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs🙄

    Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
    everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
    last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Fri Oct 6 15:44:31 2023
    On 10/6/2023 10:03 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
    news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper. >>>>>
    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-
    chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee >>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden >>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
    attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
    ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
    original partial grey one


    After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
    for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
    available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
    as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
    money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
    she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
    Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
    on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out
    the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
    all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .

    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
    that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 6 18:09:07 2023
    My 91 Ranger was an odd combination that sat on the lot for 6 months and
    went for $2000 below list. I don't know why the factory chose that
    combination, especially the 4 cylinder, but it fit my needs well then and
    still does now. They didn't say if it was a rejected special order.

    It has a 7' bed, 4WD, MT5, 2.3l (100HP) engine and 4.10 differentials that
    make it reasonably snappy in 1st through 3rd. It has the height to see brake lights ahead and deter aggressive MA drivers, the 4WD to handle their inadequate snow plowing, the cargo volume and length to move firewood,
    machine tools and two garden tractors, and the mid-20's fuel economy for 1/2 hour commutes. Plus the bed is low enough to reach over the side, to easily unload firewood.

    It lacks power in 4th and 5th, topping out between 70 and 80, but had no trouble with 50MPH in a double solid line of commuting traffic. It is NOT powerful enough for towing on the highway or climbing the mountains of the northern part of NH, but the southern part of the state is flatter and the traffic too dense to go fast. Either there is someone in front of me or I
    was returning from night school or a party too late at night to risk speed traps.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Fri Oct 6 19:27:26 2023
    On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
       And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
    worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
    checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
    the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad
    that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
    Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced
    and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
    that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one
    went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
    ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and
    the bearing I just replaced was OE .
       I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .


    Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You replace the wheel hub assembly.

    I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
    bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.



    I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
    axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
    what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
    under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
    someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
    him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 6 22:56:25 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:03:15 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know >>that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .

    My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs?

    Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
    everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
    last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...
    A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
    found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
    gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 6 22:54:02 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 10:03 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
    news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.

    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-
    chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee >>>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden >>>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am
    attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today -
    ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the
    original partial grey one


    After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers
    for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
    available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because
    as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
    money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
    she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
    Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work
    on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out >>> the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
    all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .

    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
    that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
    With under 6 liters that's too tall ANYWHERE there are hills IF you
    intend to use it as a "truck"

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Oct 6 22:59:27 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:27:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
       And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the
    rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
    worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
    checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
    the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad
    that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
    Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced
    and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
    that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one
    went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
    ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and
    the bearing I just replaced was OE .
       I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with
    catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .


    Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You
    replace the wheel hub assembly.

    I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
    bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.



    I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing
    location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
    axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
    what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
    under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find >someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
    him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
    I've seen those axles spray welded and re-ground and actually WORK.
    Likely cheaper to get a new axle - particularly now that custom 3rd
    party axles are readily available - but 60 years ago it made sense to
    "rebuild" them

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Fri Oct 6 22:48:57 2023
    On 10/6/2023 9:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:03:15 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
    that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .

    My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs?

    Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
    everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
    last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...
    A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
    found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
    gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.


    You want to reconsider that last statement Clare ? I think you might
    have it backward on that one . At 5:1 1 ft/lb in gets 5 ft/lb out . To
    get 5 out at 4: you need 1.25 in .
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
    is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
    on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Fri Oct 6 22:55:39 2023
    On 10/6/2023 9:54 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 10:03 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:02:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 14:10:51 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/5/2023 11:45 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Clare Snyder"  wrote in message
    news:92fshilaacp08vlb4dvjhc13afpeqn8glo@4ax.com...

    In NH a 2x6 hardwood plank or beam is acceptable as a replacement bumper.

    https://casetext.com/regulation/new-hampshire-administrative-code/title-saf-department-of-safety/subtitle-saf-c-commissioner-department-of-safety/chapter-saf-c-3200-official-motor-vehicle-inspection-requirements/part-saf-c-3221-vehicle-body-or-
    chassis/section-saf-c-322105-wooden-bumpers


    I ran a wooden bumper on my '58 Chevy work/play truck in Tennessee >>>>>> for years without any problems . It complemented the home built wooden >>>>>> flat bed quite nicely if I do say so myself .
    It would pass here too - but my truck is not a "junker" and I am >>>>> attemting to keep it reasonably "original" Got the new bumper today - >>>>> ends up it is a 1997-98 bumper with the full black pad instead of the >>>>> original partial grey one


    After I read your last post I started looking at replacement bumpers >>>> for the Toyota ... I was surprised that the center section is widely
    available and reasonably priced . I'll probably be ordering one because >>>> as my wife said "What's another couple hundred bucks , after all the
    money you've spent on that thing it's just a drop in the bucket." And
    she's right , but I now expect this SUV will outlast me .
    Now that I'm sure the SUV has no more major problems I plan to work >>>> on the truck some more . I'm eager to see what a difference swapping out >>>> the stock 2.73 gears for 3.42's is going to make ... especially since
    all the motor work was optimized for the lower gears .

    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission.
    3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but
    then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know
    that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .
    With under 6 liters that's too tall ANYWHERE there are hills IF you
    intend to use it as a "truck"


    You got that right ! This truck originally came from Ohio or near ,
    flat country with salted roads ... The motor was built to run in the
    bottom third of the "power band" at highway speeds with the 3.42's . I
    suspect my gas mileage will go up a little after the gear change since
    I'll be running at a more efficient engine speed .
    --
    Snag
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    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Fri Oct 6 23:01:19 2023
    On 10/6/2023 9:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:27:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
       And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the >>>> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
    worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more
    checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
    the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad >>>> that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it .
    Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced >>>> and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
    that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one >>>> went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
    ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and >>>> the bearing I just replaced was OE .
       I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with >>>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and
    back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .


    Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You >>> replace the wheel hub assembly.

    I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
    bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.



    I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing
    location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
    axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
    what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
    under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
    someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
    him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
    I've seen those axles spray welded and re-ground and actually WORK.
    Likely cheaper to get a new axle - particularly now that custom 3rd
    party axles are readily available - but 60 years ago it made sense to "rebuild" them


    I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
    needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 08:13:14 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...

    I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
    needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    Snag

    -------------------------------

    The Navy had a metal spraying rig meant to repair worn shaft journals on
    ships at sea. I think it deposited nickel that wasn't as durable as the original.

    I rebuilt the battered tip of a splitting maul with weld, either MIG or hardface stick, I considered both and have forgotten which I used, and it's held up well. Unlike an axle it was easy to grind to acceptable shape. My grandmother had asked my uncle to remove a bothersome high lump on their granite entry step and he decided that wrecking a tool was safer and better than displeasing his strict mother. Granite rejects were common and cheap or free there, the quarry was visible from the house.

    Needle bearings made from pipe and welding rod have worked well for me on
    low speed yard equipment and my sawmill. The races for DIY ball thrust
    bearings can be turned with the sharpened back end of a carbide drill bit
    held slightly off vertical. HSS bits are soft in that area.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 07:36:38 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufqkf6$25j6d$1@dont-email.me...

    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
    is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
    on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
    Snag

    -----------------------

    My Honda developed that problem, but instead of the transmission the fault
    was with the thermostat, because the computer wouldn't enable lock-up until
    the coolant reached normal operating temperature. Finally the torque
    converter clutch locked after climbing a hill during the warmer afternoon return trip. As you say the obvious sign is whether the tach follows the
    speedo or the throttle.

    The thermostat operated properly in a beaker of water on a hotplate. I think
    a rubber rim on the disk had deteriorated enough to allow leakage. A replacement from Autozone without the rubber fixed the problem, and I keep forgetting to compare it to a new OEM one.

    The temp gauge isn't much more informative than an idiot light: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114159878163
    Now I know that at normal temperature the needle covers the waterline.

    I'm glad Honda provided a tach with the automatic transmission. I wish both vehicles had real oil pressure gauges. The Ford has a dummy oil pressure
    gauge operated by a switch and fixed resistor. I bought the Diesel option
    oil pressure transducer that's supposed to convert the gauge to analog but couldn't make it work with air pressure.

    https://www.hotrodders.com/threads/700r4-3-wires-out-of-plug.172965/

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 08:21:48 2023
    "Snag" wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...

    I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
    needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long .

    How hard do you want it? https://tnfarriersupply.com/products/black-diamond-borium-rods
    "This borium is a slick, gray stick that works well when applied using an acetylene torch."

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sat Oct 7 08:35:14 2023
    On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 22:56:25 -0400
    Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
    found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
    gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.

    It's can't hold 60mph in overdrive (4th) on just a moderate incline. It
    won't hold in 3rd gear on a substantial highway incline. I just got
    used to speeding up before hills and letting it fall back to 40-45mph at
    the crest to keep it in overdrive. Top speed was maybe 90mph in 3rd.

    It's only rated at 130hp, badly made torque converters in my opinion...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 08:46:40 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
    is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
    on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

    Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid
    in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
    of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
    throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
    through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
    switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
    gear.

    You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

    Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
    Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

    Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
    long drives...

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 17:05:47 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 9:56 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:03:15 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:44:31 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    2.73 gears are car gears - particularly with overdrive transmission. >>>>> 3.42 is a highway gear for a truck. I like the 3.55 gearing on my
    Ranger. Occaisionally wish there was another gear on the highway, but >>>>> then I look at the speedo and back off the throttle a little - - -


    Mine is the second pickup of that era that I have noted runs that
    high gearing . I think it might have been a mileage thing . I just know >>>> that up here in the Ozarks that's too tall .

    My old 1982 K10 4x4 with the 6.2L Diesel and 700R4 had .308 diffs?

    Neighbor bought it a couple years ago now. It's still going, nearly
    everyday to his work and back. Had to get the Torque converter rebuilt
    last June or so. That made Torque number 2 it twisted out inside...
    A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
    found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
    gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.


    You want to reconsider that last statement Clare ? I think you might
    have it backward on that one .

    No I don't think I have it wrong. If you have a low numeric rear end
    - say a 2.5:1 to get 1000 ft lb of torque at the rear axle you need
    400 ft lb of input torque.

    With a 4.11:1 rear end to get 1000 ft lb to the rear axle you need
    only 243 ft lb of input torque. The torque converter only sees the
    INPUT torque. In the case of the 6.2 liter Diesel - stock they
    output only 145hp and 275 ft lb of torque at 2000 RPM in about 1984.

    Compare that to a gas engine - say a 305 small block that only makes
    120? ft lb at 2000 - - up to 175 at 3000 and 225 at 3500.

    Cruising at 2000 rpm in direct drive and hit the loud pedal the
    torque converter sees a LOT more torque out of the deisel - than it
    would see out of the 305 - and so will the rear end

    With 4.11 gears the engine will be reving higher at a given road
    speed than with a 2.5:1 - and the deisel feeding the 2.11 will put a
    LOT more punishment on the drivetrain than the 305 would.

    Connected to a 4.11 the 305 is reving high enough to provide a bit
    more torque so it punishes the drive train at closer to the same
    severity as the deisel.


    The .7:1 overdrive of a 700R4 makes 1 3.08 gear into a 2.15 and a
    4.11 into a 2.87
    A 4.38 rear end behind a 700R4 runs like a 3.08 behind a 3 speed
    (direct drive high gear) trans.

    The 3.55 in my 5 speed ranger thinks it is a 2.76 when the tranny is
    in 5th.
    At 5:1 1 ft/lb in gets 5 ft/lb out . To
    get 5 out at 4: you need 1.25 in .
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
    is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
    on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .
    Is the TCC vac switch a 2 wire or 3 wire?. If 2 wire just connect a
    switch to it and extend the wires back to the cab. Turn it on at
    cruise and see if it locks. If it doesn't lock just check either wire
    on the switch for power. If you have power and nolock it's the
    converter. If you have no power it is a control ossue. If it works
    with the switch but not without it is a vac switch problem - or a vac
    sourse problem. With no (or inadequate) vac the switch will never tell
    the TC to lock

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 17:11:55 2023
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:01:19 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 9:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 19:27:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/6/2023 11:49 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 10/3/2023 5:33 PM, Snag wrote:
       And for a while now I thought it was a worn rubber bushing on the >>>>> rear axle lateral stabilizer rod because when I turned left it got
    worse but on right curves it disappeared . But today I did some more >>>>> checking and it was in fact a worn front wheel bearing . This is on
    the '99 4Runner , and I'm glad I finally figured it out . I'm not glad >>>>> that it's such a bitch to disassemble the damn thing to replace it . >>>>> Whatever , I spent the afternoon working on it , and I got it replaced >>>>> and almost all the way back together . I'm going to buy some stuff
    that will make it easier to do the other front wheel , I figure if one >>>>> went the other ain't far behind . I bought the parts for both today
    ... I really can't complain , this unit has over 348,000 miles now and >>>>> the bearing I just replaced was OE .
       I shudder at the thought that damn thing might have come apart with >>>>> catastrophic results on the road ... we drove that SUV to Memphis and >>>>> back over the weekend , a total of almost 400 miles .


    Be glad its not a "newer" Silverado HD.  You don't swap the bearing. You >>>> replace the wheel hub assembly.

    I kept one planning to see if I could reverse engineer swapping the
    bearing, but I got tired of stubbing my toe on it.



    I had a guy one time ask me to weld up and regrind the needle bearing >>> location on a Chevy pickup rear axle . I had to explain to him that the
    axle was a tempered steel unit and that there were many reasons that
    what he wanted just wasn't going to work . I think I heard him mutter
    under his breath as he was leaving something about he was going to find
    someone that could . I almost hoped he would , and that I'd come across
    him standing by his truck on the side of the road .
    I've seen those axles spray welded and re-ground and actually WORK.
    Likely cheaper to get a new axle - particularly now that custom 3rd
    party axles are readily available - but 60 years ago it made sense to
    "rebuild" them


    I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
    needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    GM doesn't think so either which is why they used a ROLLER bearing -
    - - -- - It DID make pulling axles and changing grease seals pretty
    simple though compared to using ball bearings. - and if they were not
    runlow on oil or half filled with water they DID last almost forever.
    The bearing contact surface was something like 10 times the contact
    surface of a ball bearing

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 17:18:58 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:35:14 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 22:56:25 -0400
    Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 6.2 oil burner has enough torque to handle 3.08 gears - but as you
    found it also has enough torque to demolish the converter. Steeper
    gearing lowers the required input torque for a given load.

    It's can't hold 60mph in overdrive (4th) on just a moderate incline. It
    won't hold in 3rd gear on a substantial highway incline. I just got
    used to speeding up before hills and letting it fall back to 40-45mph at
    the crest to keep it in overdrive. Top speed was maybe 90mph in 3rd.

    It's only rated at 130hp, badly made torque converters in my opinion...
    Forgot which oil burner you were laking about, The 387 Detroit was
    pretty anemic, particularly in stock form - and the highway geare they
    put on them for fuel economy didn't help ANYTHING. They WERE part of
    the problem with the torque converters though. Steeper gears unload
    the converter making them last a lot longer.

    Those things were "flatlanders"

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 7 17:22:15 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
    is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
    on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

    Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid
    in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
    of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks >throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes >through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
    switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
    gear.

    You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

    On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
    switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
    IIRC.

    Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
    Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

    Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
    long drives...
    An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a
    truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
    may or may not be locking optimally.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Sat Oct 7 19:54:26 2023
    On 10/7/2023 7:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...

      I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    Snag

    -------------------------------

    The Navy had a metal spraying rig meant to repair worn shaft journals on ships at sea. I think it deposited nickel that wasn't as durable as the original.

    I rebuilt the battered tip of a splitting maul with weld, either MIG or hardface stick, I considered both and have forgotten which I used, and
    it's held up well. Unlike an axle it was easy to grind to acceptable
    shape. My grandmother had asked my uncle to remove a bothersome high
    lump on their granite entry step and he decided that wrecking a tool was safer and better than displeasing his strict mother. Granite rejects
    were common and cheap or free there, the quarry was visible from the house.

    Needle bearings made from pipe and welding rod have worked well for me
    on low speed yard equipment and my sawmill. The races for DIY ball
    thrust bearings can be turned with the sharpened back end of a carbide
    drill bit held slightly off vertical. HSS bits are soft in that area.


    In this case the axle itself was the inner race . Those shafts y'all
    spray welded up probably carried an inner race as part of the bearing .
    --
    Snag
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    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sat Oct 7 19:38:55 2023
    On 10/7/2023 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine
    is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb
    on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

    Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid
    in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
    of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
    throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
    through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
    switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
    gear.

    You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

    On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
    switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
    IIRC.

    Yes I have the vacuum switch . I'm trying to figure out which wire
    "goes hot" when the converter is supposed to lock . I know for a fact it
    was working before the rebuild . The solenoid was bad , it's wired on
    the same fuse as the radio (odd , ennit?) and every time it would try to
    lock it'd blow the fuse and kill the radio . The trans has been rebuilt
    with a new solenoid and many other parts including a shift kit . I'll be checking that hose ... But not tomorrow . Tomorrow I'll be replacing the bearing on the other front wheel . Should be easier than the first ,
    I've gotten some better press blocks now .


    Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
    Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

    Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
    long drives...
    An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a
    truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
    may or may not be locking optimally.


    I don't know if the converter is a heavy duty unit , I do know it's
    been rebuilt . I needed to add .125" spacers between it and the flywheel
    to get proper pump drive engagement .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sat Oct 7 20:01:20 2023
    On 10/7/2023 4:11 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:01:19 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:




    I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
    needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    GM doesn't think so either which is why they used a ROLLER bearing -
    - - -- - It DID make pulling axles and changing grease seals pretty
    simple though compared to using ball bearings. - and if they were not
    runlow on oil or half filled with water they DID last almost forever.
    The bearing contact surface was something like 10 times the contact
    surface of a ball bearing


    I didn't get to see the bearing , just the axle and the dude called
    it a needle bearing . I just knew that I'm not equipped to repair a
    hardened bearing surface properly .
    --
    Snag
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    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 22:32:10 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 19:38:55 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/7/2023 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine >>>> is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb >>>> on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

    Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid >>> in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
    of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
    throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
    through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
    switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
    gear.

    You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

    On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
    switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
    IIRC.

    Yes I have the vacuum switch . I'm trying to figure out which wire
    "goes hot" when the converter is supposed to lock . I know for a fact it
    was working before the rebuild . The solenoid was bad , it's wired on
    the same fuse as the radio (odd , ennit?) and every time it would try to
    lock it'd blow the fuse and kill the radio . The trans has been rebuilt
    with a new solenoid and many other parts including a shift kit . I'll be >checking that hose ... But not tomorrow . Tomorrow I'll be replacing the >bearing on the other front wheel . Should be easier than the first ,
    I've gotten some better press blocks now .


    Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
    Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

    Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
    long drives...
    An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a
    truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
    may or may not be locking optimally.


    I don't know if the converter is a heavy duty unit , I do know it's
    been rebuilt . I needed to add .125" spacers between it and the flywheel
    to get proper pump drive engagement .


    Correction - that was supposed to read "extra heavy duty tranny fluid COOLER"!!!!!

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 22:54:48 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 20:01:20 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/7/2023 4:11 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 23:01:19 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:




    I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that >>> needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    GM doesn't think so either which is why they used a ROLLER bearing -
    - - -- - It DID make pulling axles and changing grease seals pretty
    simple though compared to using ball bearings. - and if they were not
    runlow on oil or half filled with water they DID last almost forever.
    The bearing contact surface was something like 10 times the contact
    surface of a ball bearing


    I didn't get to see the bearing , just the axle and the dude called
    it a needle bearing . I just knew that I'm not equipped to repair a
    hardened bearing surface properly .
    I have an old (1957) lawn mower and an old toy "express" wagon that
    use headless nails as bearings running on about 3/8" rod for axles
    inside a peice of tubing as the wheel hub center. At that speed they
    don't need to be hard -
    Not saying YOU should have repaired the axle - a man needs to know his
    limits - heck "I" wouldn't have done it - but if it was un-obtainium I
    would have found someone who COULD - at least up until 10 years agp.
    Most of the guys I knew who COULD to that back then are dead already
    and the rest of them are likely to shaky or frail or blind to attempt
    it - the shops they worked in are long gone and the machinery may no
    longer exist. They used to do crankshafts and camshafts too - and
    nitride all kinds of parts (TuffTride) - still a place here in
    Kitchener that does that - Plasma nitriding.

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Oct 7 22:47:12 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 19:54:26 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/7/2023 7:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "Snag"  wrote in message news:ufql6f$25n8q$1@dont-email.me...

      I figured that since that part of the axle is the inner race for that
    needle bearing mild steel weldment wasn't going to last long . This was
    the second go-round , he'd worn out both the original bearing and an
    offset bearing . IMO a needle bearing in that location on a truck isn't
    a very good idea .
    Snag

    -------------------------------

    The Navy had a metal spraying rig meant to repair worn shaft journals on
    ships at sea. I think it deposited nickel that wasn't as durable as the
    original.

    I rebuilt the battered tip of a splitting maul with weld, either MIG or
    hardface stick, I considered both and have forgotten which I used, and
    it's held up well. Unlike an axle it was easy to grind to acceptable
    shape. My grandmother had asked my uncle to remove a bothersome high
    lump on their granite entry step and he decided that wrecking a tool was
    safer and better than displeasing his strict mother. Granite rejects
    were common and cheap or free there, the quarry was visible from the house. >>
    Needle bearings made from pipe and welding rod have worked well for me
    on low speed yard equipment and my sawmill. The races for DIY ball
    thrust bearings can be turned with the sharpened back end of a carbide
    drill bit held slightly off vertical. HSS bits are soft in that area.


    In this case the axle itself was the inner race . Those shafts y'all
    spray welded up probably carried an inner race as part of the bearing .
    The "race" portion of Chevy axles were what I've seen welded and
    reground - 1950-54 chevy cars, 1947 to '61 or '62 1/2 tons.

    The one really good thing about that style if axle is it was unluiky
    some hamfisted mechanic would nick it with the torch trying to cut the
    inner race off - - -

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sat Oct 7 22:43:09 2023
    On 10/7/2023 9:32 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 19:38:55 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/7/2023 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine >>>>> is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb >>>>> on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

    Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid >>>> in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
    of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
    throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes >>>> through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another >>>> switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
    gear.

    You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

    On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
    switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
    IIRC.

    Yes I have the vacuum switch . I'm trying to figure out which wire
    "goes hot" when the converter is supposed to lock . I know for a fact it
    was working before the rebuild . The solenoid was bad , it's wired on
    the same fuse as the radio (odd , ennit?) and every time it would try to
    lock it'd blow the fuse and kill the radio . The trans has been rebuilt
    with a new solenoid and many other parts including a shift kit . I'll be
    checking that hose ... But not tomorrow . Tomorrow I'll be replacing the
    bearing on the other front wheel . Should be easier than the first ,
    I've gotten some better press blocks now .


    Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this? >>>> Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

    Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
    long drives...
    An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a >>> truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
    may or may not be locking optimally.


    I don't know if the converter is a heavy duty unit , I do know it's
    been rebuilt . I needed to add .125" spacers between it and the flywheel
    to get proper pump drive engagement .


    Correction - that was supposed to read "extra heavy duty tranny fluid COOLER"!!!!!


    That makes sense . All mine has is the one in the radiator . But then
    I'm not planning on using it to haul heavy loads or pull heavy trailers
    for a living though it may do both occasionally . This truck is a toy
    for me now - and I've been very up front about that to my wife . She
    crabs a bit about the money I'm spending on it ... but then if it wasn't
    the truck it'd be something else . Every once in a while I'll spend some
    on the guns to give her a different subject .
    --
    Snag
    Men don't protect women because they're weak .
    We protect them because they're important .

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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to Snag on Sun Oct 8 00:35:59 2023
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 19:38:55 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 10/7/2023 4:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:46:40 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 22:48:57 -0500
    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    <snip>
    A 700R4 trans question . Any idea which wire coming out of the
    converter lock vacuum switch energizes the lockup ? I don't think mine >>>> is locking up , the RPM's should hold steady with minor throttle
    variations and it doesn't . I want to put a voltmeter or a light bulb >>>> on it while driving on level road at a steady speed to check it .

    Converter lock is done via oil pressure being switched to it by solenoid >>> in the tranny. There is a throttle position switch (was on right side
    of my injector pump) somewhere on your carb/injector body that tracks
    throttle position. Take your foot off the gas it unlocks. It also goes
    through the brake pedal switch. Step on the brake, it unlocks. Another
    switch in tranny that won't allow it to lock till its in at least 2nd
    gear.

    You probably need the wiring diagram to track it down effectively.

    On a gas truck it has a vac switch inplace of the throttle position
    switch. Most common problem with no lockup was a cracked vac hose
    IIRC.

    Yes I have the vacuum switch . I'm trying to figure out which wire
    "goes hot" when the converter is supposed to lock . I know for a fact it
    was working before the rebuild . The solenoid was bad , it's wired on
    the same fuse as the radio (odd , ennit?) and every time it would try to
    lock it'd blow the fuse and kill the radio . The trans has been rebuilt
    with a new solenoid and many other parts including a shift kit . I'll be >checking that hose ... But not tomorrow . Tomorrow I'll be replacing the >bearing on the other front wheel . Should be easier than the first ,
    I've gotten some better press blocks now .


    Don't I remember you installing a different intake/carb setup on this?
    Did you transfer over the throttle position sensor for it?

    Dealership thought it would run hot without the torque locking up on
    long drives...
    An extra heavy duty tranny fluid converter is ALWAYS a good idea on a
    truck with an automatic - especially if it has a lockup converter that
    may or may not be locking optimally.


    I don't know if the converter is a heavy duty unit , I do know it's
    been rebuilt . I needed to add .125" spacers between it and the flywheel
    to get proper pump drive engagement .
    Get your ohm meter. Disconnect the plug from the vac switch. Check
    harness continuity to ground. Whichever one has ground continuity is
    the switched side - the other is the powered side - assuming the
    solenoid is grouinded through the harness. Ir does the switch GROUND
    the solenoid - with power supplied to the solenoid? That has a 4 wire
    connector on the tranny???

    If it hasn't been screwed with get the factory wiring diagram and
    check wire colors.

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  • From Jim Wilkins@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sun Oct 8 07:03:35 2023
    "Clare Snyder" wrote in message news:h264iipjkaterirlli3fijhctstdvg1vba@4ax.com...

    - the shops they worked in are long gone and the machinery may no
    longer exist. They used to do crankshafts and camshafts too - and
    nitride all kinds of parts (TuffTride) - still a place here in
    Kitchener that does that - Plasma nitriding.

    Speaking of gone, there was a shop near here that could rebuild worn
    hydraulic cylinder shafts, IIRC it involved nitriding or hard chrome as appropriate. They were my source for short rod and tubing cutoffs as lathe stock. If a classic vehicle axle can't be replaced a hydraulic shop might be
    an alternative to an automotive one.

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  • From Leon Fisk@21:1/5 to Clare Snyder on Sun Oct 8 08:58:15 2023
    On Sat, 07 Oct 2023 17:18:58 -0400
    Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

    On Sat, 7 Oct 2023 08:35:14 -0400, Leon Fisk <lfiskgr@gmail.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 06 Oct 2023 22:56:25 -0400
    Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

    <snip>
    [...]

    It's can't hold 60mph in overdrive (4th) on just a moderate incline. It >>won't hold in 3rd gear on a substantial highway incline. I just got
    used to speeding up before hills and letting it fall back to 40-45mph at >>the crest to keep it in overdrive. Top speed was maybe 90mph in 3rd.

    It's only rated at 130hp, badly made torque converters in my opinion...
    Forgot which oil burner you were laking about, The 387 Detroit was
    pretty anemic, particularly in stock form - and the highway geare they
    put on them for fuel economy didn't help ANYTHING. They WERE part of
    the problem with the torque converters though. Steeper gears unload
    the converter making them last a lot longer.

    Those things were "flatlanders"

    I had mine in for warranty head gasket leaking coolant three times. It
    was only like the second year the 6.2 was out, maybe first.

    The torque converter on mine had 6 mounting pads to the transfer plate.
    Most 700R4 transmissions use a 3 pad plate hook-up from what I
    understand. Was recently talking to a knowledgeable neighbor about it
    and he said it sounded like the 400 turbo pad arrangement. When I had
    to replace it in the late 1980's the transmission shop had never seen
    anything like it before and they worked on lots of 700R4's. The recent
    repair for it was the same per the new owner. Transmission shop had
    never seen it before nor could they find a new replacement. Had it sent
    out to a place in Kansas? that rebuilt it and sent it back.

    Not being able to look inside... we (tranny mechanic and me) thought it
    had broke a weld where one of the "fans" was fastened to a coupling
    hub. It slipped really bad but I could still move the truck by using
    low range in the transfer case. Would have really liked to see
    the failure, could better guess then why it had failed. It was
    maybe first year production for the 700R4 too. Lots of failure points
    still being determined🤷

    --
    Leon Fisk
    Grand Rapids MI

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