• Re: Kroy 80k Lettering machine

    From PennyMc@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 00:46:26 2024
    I used to work with the machines all the time. You had a big circular
    plastic disc with the letters in raised plastic on the back. You rotated the disc to reach the letter you wanted, and then clicked on (something?
    Damn, I forgot) There was also a typewriter machine that would print out letters on transparent tape. I was my first day on a brand new job.
    Very cold introduction. Creepy guys. Then I went over to the drafting typewriter that printed out the tapes and began banging away. All of a sudden, every man there was staring at me. I asked my new boss if my slip was showing or something. He said "No,
    that's the fastest anybody has ever worked on that machine." I went back to my desk, thought a bit, and went back to boss. Said "I quit! I'm a drafter and technical illustrator and graphic artist. But these guys will turn me into their personal typist,
    and I won't do that. Besides, I've never in my life been so coldly treated when going to a new job. Sorry, but I'm outa here!" I packed up and left. Went back to my old job. Maybe they treated the next person a little better. And by the way, the place I
    left so fast? A major engineering company.

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Jim Wilkins on Wed Jan 10 11:46:53 2024
    On 1/10/2024 6:10 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "PennyMc"  wrote in message news:17a8d5d8c7c004b7$4149$2880686$4636d863@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Besides, I've never in my life been so coldly treated when going to a
    new job. Sorry, but I'm outa here!" I packed up and left.

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    In high tech establishments those without STEM skills are replaceable commodities, a concept my father told me about after attending
    management classes. The clerical staff tended to be noticeably insecure
    about their job security while I think the tech staff watched out for themselves and ignored the others unless they needed something. At times
    I became the designated liaison between engineering and production
    because the engineers plainly didn't want to deal with the very
    sarcastic girls. If I wanted them to do something particularly delicate
    I had to demonstrate by doing it myself first, then they couldn't let me embarrass them. My theatre experience with touchy and difficult people
    paid off.

    Since I lack formal credentials I've often had to prove myself to be accepted. At Mitre I was tasked to explore a reported problem with
    equipment used on a satellite link. I set up a bit error test of 10
    million bits at 2400 bits per second and waited for the result. Soon an engineer asked when I would be finished tying up the link, and I
    mentally calculated that the test would take 1 hour, 9 minutes and 26.7 seconds, because I had memorized reciprocals to do mental division and convert fractions to decimals, period to frequency, etc. He tried to
    check and then admitted he didn't know where to start. That finally
    earned me respect and soon I was accepted as a circuit designer. They
    were mainly radio engineers while I had learned computerized
    measurement. I was the right person in the right place when radio became digital, as in cell phones.

    While I understand the physics it was still weird to watch signals
    disappear into empty space and return noticeably later, fully intact.


    I always find it interesting how little quality support staff is valued.
    The higher the "skill" level of the "workers" the worse it seems to
    be. In the medical profession for example the single most frequent
    complaint AHEAD OF malpractice, maiming, and death is unpleasant front
    office staff. They also have the highest turnover. Not because of
    firing, but because they quit. Their poor attitude is projected on
    clients, a frightened mother with a sick kid fights back, and it all
    goes badly. This is indirectly the fault of the staff, but its more
    directly the fault of the managers, doctors, nurses, and other "skilled" workers for not appreciating and respecting the fact that those front
    office staff are important and the face of the whole business.

    My wife had her own medical practice for 25+ years (now she works for a
    clinic owned by hospital), and she had low turnover and high client
    ratings. She paid her staff better than entry level workers, and took
    the time to explain that they were as important to the patient
    experience as any other person there. This really translates to any
    business. I'm terrible as a personnel manager. I just expect you to do
    it right, and if I tell you how you did it wrong understand that next
    time I expect you to do it right, and here is what you did wrong.



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    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Clare Snyder@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 10 17:14:39 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:53 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
    wrote:

    On 1/10/2024 6:10 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "PennyMc"  wrote in message
    news:17a8d5d8c7c004b7$4149$2880686$4636d863@news.newsgroupdirect.com...

    Besides, I've never in my life been so coldly treated when going to a
    new job. Sorry, but I'm outa here!" I packed up and left.

    ---------------------------

    In high tech establishments those without STEM skills are replaceable
    commodities, a concept my father told me about after attending
    management classes. The clerical staff tended to be noticeably insecure
    about their job security while I think the tech staff watched out for
    themselves and ignored the others unless they needed something. At times
    I became the designated liaison between engineering and production
    because the engineers plainly didn't want to deal with the very
    sarcastic girls. If I wanted them to do something particularly delicate
    I had to demonstrate by doing it myself first, then they couldn't let me
    embarrass them. My theatre experience with touchy and difficult people
    paid off.

    Since I lack formal credentials I've often had to prove myself to be
    accepted. At Mitre I was tasked to explore a reported problem with
    equipment used on a satellite link. I set up a bit error test of 10
    million bits at 2400 bits per second and waited for the result. Soon an
    engineer asked when I would be finished tying up the link, and I
    mentally calculated that the test would take 1 hour, 9 minutes and 26.7
    seconds, because I had memorized reciprocals to do mental division and
    convert fractions to decimals, period to frequency, etc. He tried to
    check and then admitted he didn't know where to start. That finally
    earned me respect and soon I was accepted as a circuit designer. They
    were mainly radio engineers while I had learned computerized
    measurement. I was the right person in the right place when radio became
    digital, as in cell phones.

    While I understand the physics it was still weird to watch signals
    disappear into empty space and return noticeably later, fully intact.


    I always find it interesting how little quality support staff is valued.
    The higher the "skill" level of the "workers" the worse it seems to
    be. In the medical profession for example the single most frequent
    complaint AHEAD OF malpractice, maiming, and death is unpleasant front
    office staff. They also have the highest turnover. Not because of
    firing, but because they quit. Their poor attitude is projected on
    clients, a frightened mother with a sick kid fights back, and it all
    goes badly. This is indirectly the fault of the staff, but its more
    directly the fault of the managers, doctors, nurses, and other "skilled" >workers for not appreciating and respecting the fact that those front
    office staff are important and the face of the whole business.

    My wife had her own medical practice for 25+ years (now she works for a >clinic owned by hospital), and she had low turnover and high client
    ratings. She paid her staff better than entry level workers, and took
    the time to explain that they were as important to the patient
    experience as any other person there. This really translates to any >business. I'm terrible as a personnel manager. I just expect you to do
    it right, and if I tell you how you did it wrong understand that next
    time I expect you to do it right, and here is what you did wrong.



    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff
    Reminds me of an experience I had. I was a licesed mechanic and had
    "moved up" to the service manager's position. After a number of years
    another larger local dealership was advertising for a service manager
    and I thought "what the heck - let's see what they have to offer"
    Went for interview and the job was mine for the taking -so I asked
    what the position payed. He asked what I needed, and I told him if I
    wasn't worth $40,000 within the first 6 months, forget it.
    His reply was "service managersdon't make $40,000. My reply was "here
    is one that does" and as I turned to leave I told him "i know how your
    sales department works - doesn't matter HOW much a salesman sells, the lowestselling guy in the dealership every quarter is OUT - Right????"
    he sheepishly nodded in agreement - and I told him "your BEST salesman
    sells your customer his FIRST car - I sell him Number 2, 3, and 4"

    They went through at least 3 service managers in the next 2 years.

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  • From PennyMc@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 12 00:01:42 2024
    Please do not respond again. I have found I no longer need the product. Thanks.

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