• tack weld SMAW 6010 cellulosics - yes!

    From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 6 10:02:16 2025
    Hello everyone
    Decades after first mention of tack welding with SMAW 6010's, on then
    welding newsgroup and on r.c.m., I tried - and am bowled-over!
    In Britain almost no use of 6010's and 6011's.
    I've used for a couple of decades of root-running.
    "In background" a bit because my Miller Dynasty 200DX welding machine
    won't "keyhole" with 6010. Which was my first application of
    cellulosic 6010's and 6011's - "keyhole" the root of a V-butt weld.
    Well, trying to weld 10mm A/F 6mm nuts to the periphery of a 10mm
    wall thickness tube forming the shell of my rod-mill, suddenly
    recalled 6010's used for tacking in North America.
    So that's "open arc" - use like a 6013 (7018 is "open arc" but very
    close-up due to cup formation at end of rod - so not that similar)
    Wow!
    That was a trick I missed!
    * instant arc-up and pool formation
    * fluidity
    * very "clean"
    * fast freeze
    * directional directable arc
    * smooth and pleasant to use

    Well everyone - best wishes and thanks for all the help along the way,
    Rich S

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  • From Bob La Londe@21:1/5 to Richard Smith on Fri Jun 6 11:42:41 2025
    On 6/6/2025 2:02 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Hello everyone
    Decades after first mention of tack welding with SMAW 6010's, on then
    welding newsgroup and on r.c.m., I tried - and am bowled-over!
    In Britain almost no use of 6010's and 6011's.

    I think that is in part because 6010 doesn't run on all the machines
    that could fly through 6013 and 7018. Only in recent years have I see
    mif price import machines able to run 60610 reliably, and some of them
    have shown mixed results from one machine to the next of the same model.
    I can't speak to older transformer machines. My Lincoln cracker box
    barely ran 7018 well. My only other transformer machine is the Miller
    MIG box. WEll I do have an ancient Hobart (Real Hobart, not Miller
    Hobart) generator welder, but my dad parked it decades ago when it
    melted its starting battery. I haven't got around to trouble shooting it.

    I've used for a couple of decades of root-running.
    "In background" a bit because my Miller Dynasty 200DX welding machine
    won't "keyhole" with 6010. Which was my first application of
    cellulosic 6010's and 6011's - "keyhole" the root of a V-butt weld.
    Well, trying to weld 10mm A/F 6mm nuts to the periphery of a 10mm
    wall thickness tube forming the shell of my rod-mill, suddenly
    recalled 6010's used for tacking in North America.
    So that's "open arc" - use like a 6013 (7018 is "open arc" but very
    close-up due to cup formation at end of rod - so not that similar)
    Wow!
    That was a trick I missed!
    * instant arc-up and pool formation
    * fluidity
    * very "clean"
    * fast freeze
    * directional directable arc
    * smooth and pleasant to use


    Thanks for the info. While the odds are never zero I am unlikely to run
    6010 any time soon. There is always that chance. I will have some
    questions about mid thickness overhead welding soon.

    Well everyone - best wishes and thanks for all the help along the way,
    Rich S

    Same to you.


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    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From Richard Smith@21:1/5 to Bob La Londe on Fri Jun 6 20:45:27 2025
    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> writes:

    On 6/6/2025 2:02 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
    Hello everyone
    Decades after first mention of tack welding with SMAW 6010's, on then
    welding newsgroup and on r.c.m., I tried - and am bowled-over!
    In Britain almost no use of 6010's and 6011's.

    I think that is in part because 6010 doesn't run on all the machines
    that could fly through 6013 and 7018. Only in recent years have I see
    mif price import machines able to run 60610 reliably, and some of them
    have shown mixed results from one machine to the next of the same
    model. I can't speak to older transformer machines. My Lincoln
    cracker box barely ran 7018 well. My only other transformer machine
    is the Miller MIG box. WEll I do have an ancient Hobart (Real Hobart,
    not Miller Hobart) generator welder, but my dad parked it decades ago
    when it melted its starting battery. I haven't got around to trouble shooting it.

    I've used for a couple of decades of root-running.
    "In background" a bit because my Miller Dynasty 200DX welding machine
    won't "keyhole" with 6010. Which was my first application of
    cellulosic 6010's and 6011's - "keyhole" the root of a V-butt weld.
    Well, trying to weld 10mm A/F 6mm nuts to the periphery of a 10mm
    wall thickness tube forming the shell of my rod-mill, suddenly
    recalled 6010's used for tacking in North America.
    So that's "open arc" - use like a 6013 (7018 is "open arc" but very
    close-up due to cup formation at end of rod - so not that similar)
    Wow!
    That was a trick I missed!
    * instant arc-up and pool formation
    * fluidity
    * very "clean"
    * fast freeze
    * directional directable arc
    * smooth and pleasant to use


    Thanks for the info. While the odds are never zero I am unlikely to
    run 6010 any time soon. There is always that chance. I will have
    some questions about mid thickness overhead welding soon.

    Well everyone - best wishes and thanks for all the help along the way,
    Rich S

    Same to you.


    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


    I forgot to mention

    * almost no slag - just a bit of glassy substance - so no slag choking
    the weld area (the "fast freeze" is a corollary of this - no slag?)
    as you tack-weld

    Running 6010 open-arc isn't impossibly hard on the welding machine.
    The voltage when running is higher than with other rods. Why would be a problem for a really feeble inverter - 20 years ago some low-end ones
    would only run 6013.
    If run it much like a 6013, with a bit of arc length, is "just" "nice".
    Never thought to do that with first learning keyholing.

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