On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
water.
Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of water. On >>> the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
water. On the Eel River
Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the Peripheral >>> Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in California as >>> we have.
The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
There is runoff from Federal to State.
For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860 million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today, closer to $10 billion. https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules
If it cost $10 Billion
The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1 billion
to build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant
It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25 billion
per year.
If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover
Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water 3,258,509,400,000,
3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in San
Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25 billion x
10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or 500,000,000
gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times 182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization plants.
If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785
time more water to have damns.
Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the future?
Maybe there are economies of scale?
If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion it
would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build damns
that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
water.
Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of water. On >>> the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
water. On the Eel River
Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the Peripheral >>> Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in California as >>> we have.
The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
There is runoff from Federal to State.
For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860 million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today, closer to $10 billion. https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules
If it cost $10 Billion
The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1 billion
to build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant
It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25 billion
per year.
If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover
Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water 3,258,509,400,000,
3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in San
Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25 billion x
10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or 500,000,000
gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times 182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization plants.
If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785
time more water to have damns.
Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the future?
Maybe there are economies of scale?
If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion it
would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build damns
that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
water.
Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of water. On >>> the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
water. On the Eel River
Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the Peripheral >>> Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in California as >>> we have.
The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
There is runoff from Federal to State.
For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860 million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today, closer to $10 billion. https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules
If it cost $10 Billion
The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1 billion
to build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant
It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25 billion
per year.
If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover
Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water 3,258,509,400,000,
3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in San
Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25 billion x
10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or 500,000,000
gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times 182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization plants.
If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785
time more water to have damns.
Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the future?
Maybe there are economies of scale?
If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion it
would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build damns
that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
water.
Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of water. On >>> the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
water. On the Eel River
Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the Peripheral >>> Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in California as >>> we have.
The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
There is runoff from Federal to State.
For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860 million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today, closer to $10 billion. https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules
If it cost $10 Billion
The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1 billion
to build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant
It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25 billion
per year.
If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover
Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water 3,258,509,400,000,
3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in San
Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25 billion x
10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or 500,000,000
gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times 182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization plants.
If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785
time more water to have damns.
Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the future?
Maybe there are economies of scale?
If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion it
would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build damns
that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
A desalination plan actually creates fresh water.
Alan wrote:
A desalination plan actually creates fresh water.
No - the water is pre-existing and filtered to purity (not "created")
you abstruse bot.
Alan wrote (afer getting his ass kicked again):
On 2024-08-31 12:17, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
A desalination plan actually creates fresh water.
No - the water is pre-existing and filtered to purity (not "created")
you abstruse bot.
In the context of
Dismissed!
On 2024-08-31 12:17, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
A desalination plan actually creates fresh water.
No - the water is pre-existing and filtered to purity (not "created")
you abstruse bot.
In the context of
Yes: you regularly dismiss facts.
Alan wrote:
Yes: you regularly dismiss facts.
Dismissed!
The water pre-exists the plant and process.
On 8/30/2024 6:04 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:Might add that dam generates electricity
On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
water.
Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of
water. On
the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of
water. On the Eel River
Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the
Peripheral
Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately
needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in
California as
we have.
The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
There is runoff from Federal to State.
For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two
largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860
million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today,
closer to $10 billion.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules
If it cost $10 Billion
The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1
billion to build
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant
It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25
billion per year.
If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the Hoover
Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot of water
is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water
3,258,509,400,000, 3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in
San Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25
billion x 10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or
500,000,000 gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times
182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization
plants.
If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be 1.785
time more water to have damns.
Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the
future? Maybe there are economies of scale?
If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion
it would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build
damns that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
where desalinization requires electricity to run.
On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 10:17:30 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 30/08/2024 8:04 pm, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:58 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:
On 8/22/2024 11:45 AM, Intelligent Party wrote:The Hoover Dam cost $49 million to build in 1930, equal to $860
Raise Lake Shasta 200 Feet and thereby add 10 million acre feet of
water.
Put in the Ah Pah Dam and thereby add 15 million acre feet of
water. On
the Klamath River and form a scenic lake.
Put in the Dos Rios Reservoir and thereby add 7 million acre feet of >>>>> water. On the Eel River
Do these projects and then there will be enough water for the
Peripheral
Canal, and a fledgling UC Fresno.
These would be Federal Water Programs, and there is runoff for the
State. These are huge projects like the Hoover Dam, yet desperately >>>>> needed if we are to have an Empire of 40 million people in
California as
we have.
The farmers are 80% of the water, and are Federal water.
The homes are 20% of the water, and are State water.
There is runoff from Federal to State.
For comparison purposes, Lake Mead and Lake Powell, the nation's two >>>>> largest reservoirs are 25 million Acre Feet of water each.
Here is pertinent intelligence accumulated so far, on, ca.water:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ca.water/y5tkrEW4Gkk
million today. Per Quora, we think it would cost much more today,
closer to $10 billion.
https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-build-the-Hoover-Dam-from-scratch-in-todays-dollars-and-under-todays-construction-rules
If it cost $10 Billion
The San Diego County Carlsbad Desalinization plant cost about $1
billion to build
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_%22Bud%22_Lewis_Carlsbad_Desalination_Plant
It produces 50 million gallons of fresh water per day or 18.25
billion per year.
If a dam allowing storage of 10 million acre feet, such as the
Hoover Dam cost $10 billion to build, we calculate that 1 acre foot
of water is 325,851 gallons, and 10 million acre feet of water
3,258,509,400,000, 3.2 Trillion gallons of stored water.
We also calculate that 10 such desalinization plants as the one in
San Diego County, costing $10 billion total, would produce 18.25
billion x 10, 182.5 billion gallons of fresh water per year. Or
500,000,000 gallons x 365 days, also 182,500,000,000 gallons yearly.
We thus conclude, that because 3.2 trillion gallons is 17.85 times
182.5 billion gallons, dams still make more sense that desalinization
plants.
If you were storing only 1 million acre feet, it would still be
1.785 time more water to have damns.
Maybe we can build desalinization plants more efficiently in the
future? Maybe there are economies of scale?
If you stored 10 million acre feet, and the dam only cost $1 billion
it would be 178.5 times more water. However, we should not build
damns that fail, and it should be a Federal project.
If there is anything wrong with this analysis, please correct it.
**What the fuck are "gallons", "acres" and "feet"?
NO ONE on this planet uses those measurements, except an insignificant
5% of the planet's population. Please use accepted international
measurements and re-post so everyone can understand.
What a terminal fuckwit you have always been.
**Just a reminder moron: I am not the one trying to use measurements
that no one on the planet uses, except Americans. Australia, like the
rest of the planet, uses Metric measurements.
On 2024-08-31 13:54, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
Yes: you regularly dismiss facts.
Dismissed!
The water pre-exists the plant and process.
A dam doesn't increase the amount of available fresh water.
Alan wrote:
On 2024-08-31 13:54, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
Yes: you regularly dismiss facts.
Dismissed!
The water pre-exists the plant and process.
A dam doesn't increase the amount of available fresh water.
Non sequitur, you lose again.
https://chemistry.illinois.edu/news/2007-12-31t163909/scientists-discover-new-way-make-water
Scientists at the University of Illinois have discovered a new way to
make water, and without the pop. Not only can they make water from
unlikely starting materials, such as alcohols, their work could also
lead to better catalysts and less expensive fuel cells.
“We found that unconventional metal hydrides can be used for a chemical process called oxygen reduction, which is an essential part of the
process of making water,” said Zachariah Heiden, a doctoral student and lead author of a paper accepted for publication in the Journal of the American Chemical Society, and posted on its Web site.
This thread is about:
Alan wrote:
This thread is about:
Your absurd claim that:
"A desalination plan actually creates fresh water."
Water \creation/ is not their business, water /treatment\ is.
You lose again, bot.
On 2024-09-01 11:18, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
This thread is about:
Your absurd claim that:
"A desalination plan actually creates fresh water."
Water \creation/ is not their business, water /treatment\ is.
You lose again, bot.
Semantics.
Alan wrote:
On 2024-09-01 11:18, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
This thread is about:
Your absurd claim that:
"A desalination plan actually creates fresh water."
Water \creation/ is not their business, water /treatment\ is.
You lose again, bot.
Semantics.
You lost again, bot.
Alan wrote:
On 2024-09-01 13:33, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-09-01 11:18, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
This thread is about:
Your absurd claim that:
"A desalination plan actually creates fresh water."
Water \creation/ is not their business, water /treatment\ is.
You lose again, bot.
Semantics.
You lost again, bot.
Nope.
I pointed out facts...
...you played semantic games.
Is it painful to you having your own argumentation obfuscation strategy
run back on you?
You LOST!
Oh how that must gall you...
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 16:29:53 +1000
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
**Just a reminder moron: I am not the one trying to use measurements
that no one on the planet uses, except Americans. Australia, like the
rest of the planet, uses Metric measurements.
There are still many electronic components, even those made in the Far
East, that fit a 1/10" grid. If you actually use measurements in real
life, you need to be able to deal with any system you may encounter. It
is also not unusual to see dimensions quoted in a strange number of millimetres which turns out to be an exact number of inches. And don't
bother trying to find a metric screw to fit a photographic mount,
anywhere in the world.
On 2024-09-01 13:33, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-09-01 11:18, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
This thread is about:
Your absurd claim that:
"A desalination plan actually creates fresh water."
Water \creation/ is not their business, water /treatment\ is.
You lose again, bot.
Semantics.
You lost again, bot.
Nope.
I pointed out facts...
...you played semantic games.
On 2024-09-01 14:55, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-09-01 13:33, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-09-01 11:18, Mittens Romney wrote:
Alan wrote:
This thread is about:
Your absurd claim that:
"A desalination plan actually creates fresh water."
Water \creation/ is not their business, water /treatment\ is.
You lose again, bot.
Semantics.
You lost again, bot.
Nope.
I pointed out facts...
...you played semantic games.
Is it painful to you having your own argumentation obfuscation
strategy run back on you?
You LOST!
Oh how that must gall you...
<yawn>
On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:02:41 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/09/2024 8:31 pm, Joe wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 16:29:53 +1000
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
There are still many electronic components, even those made in the Far >>> East, that fit a 1/10" grid. If you actually use measurements in real
**Just a reminder moron: I am not the one trying to use measurements
that no one on the planet uses, except Americans. Australia, like the
rest of the planet, uses Metric measurements.
life, you need to be able to deal with any system you may encounter. It
is also not unusual to see dimensions quoted in a strange number of
millimetres which turns out to be an exact number of inches. And don't
bother trying to find a metric screw to fit a photographic mount,
anywhere in the world.
I am well aware of legacy products that are still in Imperial
measurements. Plumbing and, as you say, old school electronic
components. However, common-place measurements (distance, capacity,
etc) are now Metric all over the planet. Except for one, tiny, pocket.
Aircraft aren't one tiny pocket, fuckwit
On Fri, 06 Sep 2024 14:08:44 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 2/09/2024 10:17 am, Rod Speed wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:02:41 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
On 1/09/2024 8:31 pm, Joe wrote:
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 16:29:53 +1000
Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
There are still many electronic components, even those made in the >>>>> Far
**Just a reminder moron: I am not the one trying to use measurements >>>>>> that no one on the planet uses, except Americans. Australia, like the >>>>>> rest of the planet, uses Metric measurements.
East, that fit a 1/10" grid. If you actually use measurements in real >>>>> life, you need to be able to deal with any system you may
encounter. It
is also not unusual to see dimensions quoted in a strange number of
millimetres which turns out to be an exact number of inches. And don't >>>>> bother trying to find a metric screw to fit a photographic mount,
anywhere in the world.
I am well aware of legacy products that are still in Imperial
measurements. Plumbing and, as you say, old school electronic
components. However, common-place measurements (distance, capacity,
etc) are now Metric all over the planet. Except for one, tiny, pocket.
Aircraft aren't one tiny pocket, fuckwit
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us that Airbus Industries use
Imperial measurements when they build aeroplanes?
Nope, that the ENTIRE FUCKING INDUSTRY except for the
russian military uses FEET for altitude, KNOTS for airspeed
and TONS for fuel, and MILLIBARS for QNH fuckwit.
I call bullshit on that. The Frogs would NEVERuse Imperial
measurements for their products.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that
you have never ever had a fucking clue, ever.
However, it would appear that Boeing still use Imperial measurements,
And so does RR, GE and P&W engines.
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