• Newscum barfs lies again

    From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 12:40:32 2024
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    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/gov-newsom-claims-big-oil-blame-high-gas-prices-new-report-blames-climate


    Article
    Dig Deeper
    California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom has continuously denied that the state’s policies have anything to do with sky-high gas prices the
    state's residents pay, arguing that it’s “Big Oil” driving up gasoline prices. But a new study shows policies have added as much as $1.91 per
    gallon to what Californians pay at the pump.

    According to AAA, Americans on Saturday were paying on average $3.177 a
    gallon for gasoline. Californians were paying $4.676 per gallon on
    average. The gap can vary. A year ago, the average national price was
    $3.814 per gallon, while Californians were paying $6.059 per gallon.

    According to the Energy Policy Research Foundation analysis by
    researcher Max Pyziur, California has several policies impacting
    gasoline prices that are entirely unique to the state.

    In the 1960s, California began targeting gasoline formulations, which
    created blend requirements exceeding those of the EPA. According to the fondation analysis, this requirement alone adds 16 cents a gallon to the
    price of California gas on average.

    The blended gasoline, called California Reformulated Gasoline Blendstock
    for Oxygenate Blending (CARBOB), is only available from in-state
    refiners. The California Energy Commission put together a report in
    August warning that the state’s remaining refineries will close as a
    result of the commission’s projected decline in demand for gasoline as a result of electric vehicle adoption, which the state is mandating.

    The report proposed the state purchase and operate its own refineries,
    but it also proposed the state develop relationships with out-of-state suppliers to ship CARBOB into the state to secure a reliable supply of California gas.

    The foundation report pointed to two other environmental policies
    driving up gas prices in California. The first is California’s Cap and
    Trade program, which aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions statewide.
    The state caps emissions, and the caps have steadily increased since the program was first enacted in 2006. Major emitters have to obtain
    allowances for every ton of greenhouse gasses they emit, and companies
    buy and sell these allowances on a market.

    The second policy driving up California’s gas prices is the state's Low Carbon Fuel Standard, enacted in 2011. The standard targets the carbon intensity of transportation fuels, which includes gasoline. And like the
    Cap and Trade program, the standard grew more stringent over time.
    Combined, the two policies, according to the foundation, increased gas
    prices by 10 cents a gallon in 2004. By 2024, the additional cost was 52
    cents per gallon.

    On top of the policies is California’s excise tax, which was 18 cents
    per gallon in 2000. That increased to 58 cents per gallon in 2024.

    The foundation report states the premium Californians pay for their climate-friendlier gasoline prices over that of the average American was
    $1 during 2022 and 2023. Its peak was $1.91 per gallon on Oct. 3, 2022.
    This year, it has hovered around 90 cents per gallon.

    Newsom has responded to the state’s high gasoline prices by arguing that
    oil companies are bad actors and need further regulation.

    He set out to hold them accountable for alleged price gouging with an anti-price gouging law. He also proposed a law that would require
    refineries to store a certain amount of product to stave off any price
    spikes resulting from drops in supply. The California legislature has
    been reluctant to rapidly pass the bill, and the governors of Arizona
    and Nevada signed a letter warning California the law would result in
    supply shortages and increased gasoline prices.

    Refineries and oil and companies have responded to the state's
    regulations by doing less business in the state. The number of
    refineries went from 43 in 1982 to just 14 this year. Chevron announced
    in August it was moving its headquarters to Houston from San Ramon,
    California.
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Mittens Romney on Sun Oct 6 15:24:29 2024
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    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/6/24 11:40, Mittens Romney wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/gov-newsom-claims-big-oil-blame-high-gas-prices-new-report-blames-climate


    Article
    Dig Deeper
    California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom has continuously denied that the state’s policies have anything to do with sky-high gas prices the
    state's residents pay, arguing that it’s “Big Oil” driving up gasoline prices. But a new study shows policies have added as much as $1.91 per
    gallon to what Californians pay at the pump.

    According to AAA, Americans on Saturday were paying on average $3.177 a gallon for gasoline. Californians were paying $4.676 per gallon on
    average. The gap can vary. A year ago, the average national price was
    $3.814 per gallon, while Californians were paying $6.059 per gallon.

    According to the Energy Policy Research Foundation analysis by
    researcher Max Pyziur, California has several policies impacting
    gasoline prices that are entirely unique to the state.

    In the 1960s, California began targeting gasoline formulations, which
    created blend requirements exceeding those of the EPA. According to the fondation analysis, this requirement alone adds 16 cents a gallon to the price of California gas on average.

    The blended gasoline, called California Reformulated Gasoline Blendstock
    for Oxygenate Blending (CARBOB), is only available from in-state
    refiners. The California Energy Commission put together a report in
    August warning that the state’s remaining refineries will close as a
    result of the commission’s projected decline in demand for gasoline as a result of electric vehicle adoption, which the state is mandating.

    The report proposed the state purchase and operate its own refineries,
    but it also proposed the state develop relationships with out-of-state suppliers to ship CARBOB into the state to secure a reliable supply of California gas.

    The foundation report pointed to two other environmental policies
    driving up gas prices in California. The first is California’s Cap and Trade program, which aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions statewide.
    The state caps emissions, and the caps have steadily increased since the program was first enacted in 2006. Major emitters have to obtain
    allowances for every ton of greenhouse gasses they emit, and companies
    buy and sell these allowances on a market.

    The second policy driving up California’s gas prices is the state's Low Carbon Fuel Standard, enacted in 2011. The standard targets the carbon intensity of transportation fuels, which includes gasoline. And like the
    Cap and Trade program, the standard grew more stringent over time.
    Combined, the two policies, according to the foundation, increased gas
    prices by 10 cents a gallon in 2004. By 2024, the additional cost was 52 cents per gallon.

    On top of the policies is California’s excise tax, which was 18 cents
    per gallon in 2000. That increased to 58 cents per gallon in 2024.

    The foundation report states the premium Californians pay for their climate-friendlier gasoline prices over that of the average American was
    $1 during 2022 and 2023. Its peak was $1.91 per gallon on Oct. 3, 2022.
    This year, it has hovered around 90 cents per gallon.

    Newsom has responded to the state’s high gasoline prices by arguing that oil companies are bad actors and need further regulation.

    He set out to hold them accountable for alleged price gouging with an anti-price gouging law. He also proposed a law that would require
    refineries to store a certain amount of product to stave off any price
    spikes resulting from drops in supply. The California legislature has
    been reluctant to rapidly pass the bill, and the governors of Arizona
    and Nevada signed a letter warning California the law would result in
    supply shortages and increased gasoline prices.

    Refineries and oil and companies have responded to the state's
    regulations by doing less business in the state. The number of
    refineries went from 43 in 1982 to just 14 this year. Chevron announced
    in August it was moving its headquarters to Houston from San Ramon, California.


    This is widely known.

    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office. They must have a death wish.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Sun Oct 6 18:34:35 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/6/24 17:10, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Youz gots two unnerstan -- the fossil bidness is based on massive
    subsidies. They make 3,4,5x more in taxpayer support than they do
    actually selling their dubious products.

    You should check you source before posting narratives.

    https://iprb.org/blog/2021/the-most-targeted-oil-gas-subsidies-arent-subsidies-at-all/

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  • From Jamaal Bowman@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 11:02:55 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Jamaal Bowman on Mon Oct 7 09:55:25 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 5:02 AM, Jamaal Bowman wrote:
    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    Yes they will!

    And they mean to destroy the Electoral College and pack the SCOTUS to
    insure their thievery is generational and irreversible.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Oct 7 10:11:53 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/6/2024 6:10 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Youz gots two unnerstan -- the fossil bidness is based on massive
    subsidies.

    STFU peehole doctor!

    The peer-herded grant (subsidies) mick-science bidnits is supported by
    left wing scumbags who seek to control all our destinies via a climate
    change hoax.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 7 10:29:05 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 7:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    Your goal is to cast doubt on the
    Constitution in the hopes of gaining the power to terminate it.

    You made public death threats on Trump and JD Vance's family.

    Not one word you say will ever be trusted, little man.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Oct 7 10:20:44 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/6/2024 6:10 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Youz gots two unnerstan -- the fossil bidness is based on massive
    subsidies.

    Again...

    STFU peehole doctor!

    The peer-herded grant (subsidies) mick-science bidnits is supported by
    left wing scumbags who seek to control all our destinies via a climate
    change hoax.

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  • From Bill Flett@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Oct 7 11:19:54 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/6/2024 5:10 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In sci.environment T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 10/6/24 11:40, Mr Whiskas wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/gov-newsom-claims-big-oil-blame-high-gas-prices-new-report-blames-climate
    ...
    in August it was moving its headquarters to Houston from San Ramon,
    California.
    This is widely known.
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office. They must have a death wish.

    Youz gots two unnerstan -- the fossil bidness is based on massive
    subsidies. They make 3,4,5x more in taxpayer support than they do
    actually selling their dubious products.

    Bullshit. Even anti-subsidy partisans don't claim it to be that much.

    https://www.budget.senate.gov/chairman/newsroom/press/sen-whitehouse-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-we-are-subsidizing-the-danger-

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Oct 7 13:00:42 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 12:28 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    The fossil industry nebba lies.

    --
    But you do all the time - peehole stretcher.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Oct 7 13:02:00 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 12:30 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Total lies! Dem dam commy newspapas say da oil bidness gets billins
    in subsidies!
    TOTAL FSKN LIES!
    Again...

    STFU peehole doctor!

    The peer-herded grant (subsidies) mock-science bidnits is supported by
    left wing scumbags who seek to control all our destinies via a climate
    change hoax.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 7 13:09:50 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 1:03 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    STFU, Spammy.

    I guess it's time again to reveal who and what YOU are, Jonathan "little
    man" Ball:


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 7 13:11:33 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 1:04 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    Not one word you write will ever be read by me again.

    Oh I can guaranty that will never happen, you're far too addicted to
    trolling to pass anyone by, let alone me.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/kami and a few dozen
    other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Bill Flett@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Mon Oct 7 21:13:30 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 11:30 AM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In sci.environment Bill Flett <an_original@l.a.kings.con> wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 5:10 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In sci.environment T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 10/6/24 11:40, Mr Whiskas wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/gov-newsom-claims-big-oil-blame-high-gas-prices-new-report-blames-climate
    ...
    in August it was moving its headquarters to Houston from San Ramon,
    California.
    This is widely known.
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office. They must have a death wish.
    Youz gots two unnerstan -- the fossil bidness is based on massive
    subsidies. They make 3,4,5x more in taxpayer support than they do
    actually selling their dubious products.
    Bullshit. Even anti-subsidy partisans don't claim it to be that much.

    The numbers speak for themsevesl.

    Your numbers — "3,4,5x more in taxpayer support than they do actually selling their dubious products" — are bullshit lies for which you have no support.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 02:40:05 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 10:29:05 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <lds@example.ut>
    wrote:

    On 10/7/2024 7:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    Your goal is to cast doubt on the
    Constitution in the hopes of gaining the power to terminate it.

    You made public death threats on Trump and JD Vance's family.


    When? Where? I've not seen Swill threaten anyone. But I admit I
    don't reading everything he posts.

    Not one word you say will ever be trusted, little man.

    Why not? Just because you're delusional?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv on Tue Oct 8 02:39:48 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?
    Or is the lack of evidence the proof? Ya know, it must be true
    since the PTB worked so hard to destroy the evidence.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Jamaal Bowman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 8 11:21:43 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?
    Or is the lack of evidence the proof? Ya know, it must be true
    since the PTB worked so hard to destroy the evidence.



    Gaslight much?

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Bill Flett on Tue Oct 8 10:16:03 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/7/2024 10:13 PM, Bill Flett wrote:
    On 10/7/2024 11:30 AM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In sci.environment Bill Flett <an_original@l.a.kings.con> wrote:
    On 10/6/2024 5:10 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In sci.environment T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 10/6/24 11:40, Mr Whiskas wrote:
    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/gov-newsom-claims-big-oil-blame-high-gas-prices-new-report-blames-climate
    ...
    in August it was moving its headquarters to Houston from San Ramon, >>>>>> California.
    This is widely known.
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.  They must have a death wish.
    Youz gots two unnerstan -- the fossil bidness is based on massive
    subsidies. They make 3,4,5x more in taxpayer support than they do
    actually selling their dubious products.
    Bullshit. Even anti-subsidy partisans don't claim it to be that much.

    The numbers speak for themsevesl.

    Your numbers — "3,4,5x more in taxpayer support than they do actually selling their dubious products" — are bullshit lies for which you have
    no support.

    Just remember, you're talking to a guy who makes his living stretching
    out peeholes..

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Tue Oct 8 10:26:04 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/8/2024 3:11 AM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In 2022, fossil fuel subsidies in the United States totaled $757 billion,

    GOOD!

    That's called insuring your strategic resources remain liquid.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 8 10:19:14 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/8/2024 1:39 AM, K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?

    It has, oh garage burgling shill, you and your Dem state liars simply
    want it to go away.

    https://100percentfedup.com/watch-mike-lindell-live-absolute-proof-documentary-on-voter-fraud-video/

    The Left hates him, and he’s been canceled by the media, but like David
    in David and Goliath, the devout Christian and My Pillow CEO Mike
    Lindell, whose product lines have been dropped by Bed Bath & Beyond,
    Kroger, Wayfair, Kohl’s, and Texas grocery chain H-E-B, is not backing down.

    Lindell has created a documentary outlining what he says is solid proof
    of voter fraud that he claims will “100 percent convince” every person
    who watches that massive voter fraud took place in key states across
    America, regardless of their political affiliation.

    Here is the “Absolute Proof” video Lindell has promised. The first video
    is from free-speech Rumble a video service we are trying to use as much
    as possible in place of the highly censored YouTube.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Jamaal Bowman on Tue Oct 8 10:30:08 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/8/2024 5:21 AM, Jamaal Bowman wrote:
    K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

          If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?
          Or is the lack of evidence the proof? Ya know, it must be true
    since the PTB worked so hard to destroy the evidence.



    Gaslight much?

    He does, and here is his background, a murky pool of conviction and
    corruption:

    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 8 10:20:35 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On 10/8/2024 1:40 AM, K Wills wrote:
    You made public death threats on Trump and JD Vance's family.

    When? Where? I've not seen Swill threaten anyone.

    stop the games, garage burglar boi.

    It's all up to be seen:

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks
    wrote their usual multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Oct 8 11:11:12 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Not one word you say will ever be trusted, little man.
    Not one word you write will ever be read by me again.

    Read it and weep, criminal:





    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:35:52 -0700
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Oct 8 11:16:58 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Governor Swill wrote:
    So naturally you think

    That you are a death threat maker:




    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:35:52 -0700
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Hiram Panguitch on Tue Oct 8 15:47:06 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Hiram Panguitch wrote this post; take it under advisement:

    <who the fsck cares?>

    *PLONK*

    --
    Between infinite and short there is a big difference.
    -- G. H. Gonnet

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  • From Hiram Panguitch@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Tue Oct 8 14:26:04 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.california
    XPost: misc.legal, talk.politics.guns

    On 10/8/2024 1:47 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Hiram Panguitch wrote this post; take it under advisement:

    <who the fsck cares?>

    *PLONK*



    Violating your petty little threat posts again Rudey/Swill/Ahlstrom?

    _____________________________________________________________________
    On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 10:29:05 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <lds@example.ut> wrote:

    On 10/7/2024 7:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    Your goal is to cast doubt on the
    Constitution in the hopes of gaining the power to terminate it.

    You made public death threats on Trump and JD Vance's family.

    No, Spammy, I never have.

    Not one word you say will ever be trusted, little man.

    Not one word you write will ever be read by me again. _______________________________________________________________________

    Yeah you're still reading me Swill/Rudey, you gutless little punk!

    And the world still knows you make public death threats on Trump and Vance:


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Bill Flett/kami and a
    few dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:35:52 -0700
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Tue Oct 8 14:58:02 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    <who the fsck cares?>
    *PLONK*
    Why are you prosecution exempt so far?

    Let's change that.


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
    Subject: Re: Triumphant Trump Photo After Assassination Attempt
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv on Wed Oct 9 03:27:16 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Tue, 08 Oct 24 11:21:43 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?
    Or is the lack of evidence the proof? Ya know, it must be true
    since the PTB worked so hard to destroy the evidence.


    Gaslight much?

    So there is no evidence and you lied. Got it.
    Care to explain why you lied? Or do you really HATE truth and
    honesty too much? Time will tell, I suppose.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 03:28:40 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 10:20:35 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <lds@example.ut>
    wrote:

    On 10/8/2024 1:40 AM, K Wills wrote:
    You made public death threats on Trump and JD Vance's family.

    When? Where? I've not seen Swill threaten anyone.

    stop the games, garage burglar boi.


    Way to admit you got caught in a lie. You always use the same
    lies to admit you lied.

    [Snip of posts WITHOUT any death threats against Trump's and/or
    Vance's families.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 03:27:50 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 10:19:14 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <lds@example.ut>
    wrote:

    On 10/8/2024 1:39 AM, K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole
    the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?

    It has, oh garage burgling shill, you and your Dem state liars simply
    want it to go away.

    https://100percentfedup.com/watch-mike-lindell-live-absolute-proof-documentary-on-voter-fraud-video/

    [...]

    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered. Just
    Lindell's claims with nothing true and accurate behind them.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 9 08:47:10 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors lately?


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Oct 9 08:37:19 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Governor Swill wrote:
    To date, Lindell has not paid off despite both arbitration and the court finding
    in Zeidman's favor.

    To date you have made multiple recorded public death threats on
    President Trump and JD Vance's family, little man Ball.





    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
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    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 9 09:00:13 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    R Kym Horsell wrote:
    TLDR (blind).


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 9 08:47:44 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Gaslight much?
    So there is no evidence and you lied. Got it.
    Care to explain why you lied? Or do you really HATE truth and
    honesty too much? Time will tell, I suppose.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 11:39:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, sci.environment

    In article <ve65v2$2ma88$5@dont-email.me>, robberbaron@invalid.ut says...

    K Wills wrote:
    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.


    https://alt.food.fast-food.narkive.com/xueVAawP/kwills-admits-to-being-a-a-convicted-child-molester-and-registered-sex-offender

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 10 02:39:44 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:29:17 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 03:27:50 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 10:19:14 -0600, Hiram Panguitch <lds@example.ut>
    wrote:

    On 10/8/2024 1:39 AM, K Wills wrote:
    On Mon, 07 Oct 24 11:02:55 UTC, Jamaal Bowman
    <jamaal.bowman@dumpster-fire.guv> wrote:

    T wrote:
    The big question is why do Californians constantly vote
    these folks back in office.

    The majority of private-sector people are not that stupid.

    The polls are run by Democrat politicians and their minions. They stole >>>>> the 2020 and they'll steal the 2024.

    If they stole the 2020 election, why has no valid, verifiable,
    credible evidence of it been made known?

    It has, oh garage burgling shill, you and your Dem state liars simply >>>want it to go away.
    https://100percentfedup.com/watch-mike-lindell-live-absolute-proof-documentary-on-voter-fraud-video/

    [...]

    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered. Just >>Lindell's claims with nothing true and accurate behind them.

    Lindell is welcher, a liar and a cheat.

    In other breaking news, fire is hot :)

    He claimed he had "evidence" of
    election rigging that turned out to be from Tina Peters' illegal accessing of a
    Dominion voting machine in Colorado. From that data, he spun a tale of election
    rigging and in 2021 offered five million to anybody who could disprove his >"evidence". Robert Zeidman took up the challenge expecting to confirm the data
    that he, incorrectly, assumed Lindell had thoroughly vetted but found the >evidence was fake after all.

    GASP! Lindell lied?
    There is NO credible, valid, verifiable evidence the election was
    stolen. Since it wasn't, the lack of evidence showing it was should
    not come as a surprise.


    <https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/judge-says-mike-lindell-must-pay-5-million-man-won-prove-mike-wrong-ch-rcna139986>
    <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/us/politics/tina-peters-sentence-colorado.html>

    To date, Lindell has not paid off despite both arbitration and the court finding
    in Zeidman's favor.

    And he never will.
    No one was supposed to question Lindell's claims. Let alone
    challenge them. Everyone was supposed to be as stump stupid as Hiram
    (and assorted other nyms) and accept the lies as 100% true.


    Lindell claims his pillow company is doing well (it's not) but he has no money,
    just his house and his pickup truck. Meanwhile the judge has authorized Zeidman
    to start collections of five mil plus interest.

    A lien can be placed on Lindell's property, real and personal. I
    don't think Zeidman will see a penny even with that. But it will
    hamper Lindell a bit.


    Trumplings: Losing everywhere.

    PS: Lindell originally stated that any disputes would be arbitrated, but when >they found for Zeidman, Lindell refused to be bound by his own arbitrator and >Zeidman was forced to take him to court.

    I'm not the least bit surprised.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Thu Oct 10 02:40:30 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:47:10 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors latel

    ibid.

    When you've been caught in a lie, you ALWAYS use this same method
    to announce you have been caught. Even if the information were about
    me, it has nothing to do with your LIE about Swill making death
    threats.
    Keep posting the same lies in an effort to divert from your
    lying. Or run away from the truth. You will do one of them, since I've commanded you to do so.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 13:58:47 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    I'm not the least bit surprised.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:00:50 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:47:10 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors latel

    ibid.

    When you've been caught in a lie, you ALWAYS use this same method
    to announce you have been caught.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.


    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:01:41 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:02:00 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered.

    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Oct 10 14:02:49 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Trumplings: Losing everywhere.

    Why are you prosecution exempt so far?

    Let's change that.


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
    socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:04:37 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    I've not seen Swill threaten anyone. But I admit I
    don't reading everything he posts.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 10 14:05:05 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    Or is the lack of evidence the proof? Ya know, it must be true
    since the PTB worked so hard to destroy the evidence.

    When your seamy Iowa past is replayed here you always project it upon
    the respondent.

    It never works, but what else can you do?

    Admit to corrupting a minor and doing time in a halfway house?

    No, for some reason you can't come clean on that, even though the court
    record is unambiguous on your conviction:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    I. Background Facts and Proceedings.

    Around 1 a.m., an Ankeny resident called
    the local police to report that a car
    alarm sounded in the resident's
    neighborhood. The city dispatched a police
    officer to the location. Observing nothing
    unusual, the officer left the area, only
    to be stopped a couple of blocks later
    by a person who informed the officer he
    had witnessed someone running from the
    area of the car alarm. As the officer
    started driving back to the area of the
    car alarm, he noticed a person walking
    on the sidewalk. The officer asked the
    person, a minor, if he had noticed anybody
    running from the area. The minor answered
    that he had not. While the officer and
    another officer were speaking to the minor,
    another resident of the neighborhood
    arrived in her car and informed the
    officers that she had observed two people,
    one of whom was heavy set with a blinking
    light on his back pocket, walking in the
    area of her neighbor's residence. She
    observed the heavier-set individual, later
    identified as Wills, enter her neighbor's
    attached garage through an unlocked service
    door. She further observed a smaller
    individual standing by a van parked in
    the neighbor's driveway.

    The officers eventually let the minor leave
    even though they found a large amount of
    coins, a flashlight, and an electronic
    pocket organizer in his pockets. After
    releasing the minor, the police officers
    drove to the residence where the neighbor
    observed the two suspicious people and
    woke the owner. The owner, his wife,
    and two daughters were in the residence
    sleeping at the time. After a search
    of his vehicles, the owner discovered
    change and an electronic pocket organizer
    were missing from the vehicles. The
    owner's daughter reported a diamond ring
    and some change were missing from her
    vehicle. The officers then contacted
    the minor's parents, who informed the
    officers the minor was with Wills. After
    the officers questioned the minor again,
    he admitted his involvement in the theft
    and implicated Wills in the burglary.
    Although Wills denied involvement in the
    burglary, the officers arrested him.

    The State filed a trial information
    charging Wills with second-degree
    burglary. The State later amended the
    information to include two additional
    charges of burglary in the third degree
    and using a juvenile to commit an
    indictable offense.

    The jury returned a verdict finding Wills
    guilty of the crimes of burglary in the
    second degree, burglary in the third
    degree, and using a juvenile to commit
    an indictable offense. Wills appeals his
    conviction for second-degree burglary
    claiming ineffective assistance of
    counsel.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Fri Oct 11 03:00:53 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:00:50 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Oct 2024 08:47:10 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Way to admit you got caught in a lie.

    Corrupt any minors latel

    ibid.

    When you've been caught in a lie, you ALWAYS use this same method
    to announce you have been caught.

    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the >respondent.

    Ibid.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Fri Oct 11 03:01:05 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:02:00 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    There is NO valid, verifiable, credible evidence offered.

    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.

    Ibid.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:51:00 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy past is replayed you always project it upon the respondent.
    Ibid.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:50:21 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy past is replayed here you always project it upon the
    respondent.
    Ibid.


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 11 10:52:03 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy Iowa past is replayed here you always project it upon
    the respondent.
    Ibid.


    Ipso nutso boi:

    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Sat Oct 12 07:41:24 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 10:52:03 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    When your seamy Iowa past is replayed here you always project it upon
    the respondent.
    Ibid.


    Ipso nutso boi:

    What language is that? It starts out in Latin, then goes into
    toddler age babble. Consistent with your displayed intellect.
    BTW, I appreciate your default admission you've been lying all
    along. Had any claim you made had any truth, you wouldn't be so
    DESPERATE to divert.
    You will continue. Since I am commanding you to do so, you have
    no choice. Well, you can run away from the truth. But I allow you no
    other options.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mittens Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sat Oct 12 14:37:14 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    DESPERATE to divert.

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.misc/c/Ou60H28ExUw

    But it's not --- it's all YOURS!
    --
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Sun Oct 13 04:51:25 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:37:14 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Ipso nutso boi:

    What language is that? It starts out in Latin, then goes into
    toddler age babble. Consistent with your displayed intellect.
    BTW, I appreciate your default admission you've been lying all
    along. Had any claim you made had any truth, you wouldn't be so
    DESPERATE to divert.
    You will continue. Since I am commanding you to do so, you have
    no choice. Well, you can run away from the truth. But I allow you no
    other options.

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    Again you prove you MUST do as I command without question or
    pause.
    You will continue to admit you lied. Or run away from the truth
    of your lying. I give you no other options. And you MUST do as I
    command.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From BeamMeUpScotty@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 15:49:40 2024
    XPost: alt.food.fast-food, alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican
    controlled, red states.


    The red state murder rate was 33% higher than the blue state murder
    rate in both 2021 and 2022. 2022 was the 23rd consecutive year that
    murder plagued Trump-voting states at far higher levels than
    Biden-voting states. 8 out of the 10 states with the highest murder
    rates in 2022 voted for Donald Trump in both 2016 and 2020. From 2000
    to 2022, the average red state murder rate was 24% higher than the
    average blue state murder rate. Red states like Mississippi,
    Louisiana, and Alabama are Americas murder capitals and have had the
    highest three murder rates for 15 of the last 23 years. The excuse
    that sky high red state murder rates are because of their blue cities
    is without merit. Even after removing the county with the largest
    city
    from red states, and not from blue states, red state murder rates
    were
    still 20% higher in 2021 and 16% higher in 2022.

    House Republicans held three field hearings on violent crime last year in
    New York City, Chicago, and Washington DC. These hearings should have
    been
    held in the murder-plagued states of Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama.
    In 2023, Speaker Johnsons hometown of Shreveport, Louisiana had a murder
    rate 8 times higher (41.1) than Minority Leader Jeffries hometown of
    Brooklyn, New York (5.0), 6 times higher than Nancy Pelosis San
    Francisco, California (6.6), and more than 7 times higher than the
    national average (5.5). Our 2023 report in the Red State Murder Problem
    series found that murder rates were significantly higher in red states
    than blue states every year from 2000 to 2020. Over these 21 years, the
    red state murder rate was 23% higher than the blue state murder rate. Our analysis of the latest CDC data found that 2021 and 2022 were no
    exception.

    This report analyzes homicide data from 2021 and 2022 for all 50 states
    from the Center of Disease Control Wonders National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Data. Data is based on death certificates collected
    by state registries and provided to the National Vital Statistics System.
    Like in our previous report, we chose CDC data over FBI data because its
    more up to date and does not rely on voluntary reporting from counties
    and
    states. All states are required to report mortality data to the CDC while theyre only encouraged to report crime data to the FBI. To allow for comparison across states, we calculated the states per capita murder
    rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states
    by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even
    25-25 state split.

    We found that murder rates were down 5% nationwide in 2022, but a red
    state murder gap still persists. Murder rates in red states were 33%
    higher than in blue states in both 2021 and 2022. As in 2019 and 2020, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama hold the first, second, and third
    highest murder rates in the country, respectively. The rest of the 10
    states with the highest murder rates include the usual suspectsSouth
    Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee, New Mexico, and Georgia. States with the
    highest murder rates continue to be dominated by red states, not
    perennial
    blue states like New York and California. Even when we removed the county
    with the largest city in red states (and kept them in for blue states),
    murder rates in red states were still 20% higher in 2021 and 16% higher
    in
    2022. This is not a blue cities in red states problem.

    Our analysis confirms that murder rates have been higher in red states
    than blue states every year this century. Yet, the prevalent media and political narrative is that crime is rampant in Democrat-run states and
    cities when the reality is that people are far safer in New York City
    than
    in over a dozen red states. The murder crisis continues to be far higher
    in red states in 2021 and 2022.

    Murder rates in red states were 33% higher than in blue states in both
    2021 and 2022. In 2021, the average red state murder rate was 9.0 per
    100,000 residents while the average blue state murder rate was 6.8 per
    100,000. In 2022, both these numbers dropped slightly to 8.5 per 100,000 residents and 6.4 per 100,000 residents, respectively. If blue states had
    a murder rate as high as red states, they would have seen 4,255
    additional
    murders in 2021 and 3,971 additional murders in 2022.

    While murder rates thankfully dropped in both red and blue states in
    2022,
    red states still see a murder rate significantly higher than blue states
    have ever seen. Over the past 23 years, the murder rate in blue states
    hit
    its peak in 2021 at 6.8, significantly lower than red states peak at 9.0
    the same year. Red states havent seen a murder rate under 6.8 since
    2015,
    when the murder rate was 6.4. Red states clearly have a murder problem
    that defies the easy media narrative prevalent today. Mississippi,
    Louisiana, and Alabama continue to dominate the top three spots.

    Since 2016, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama have had the three
    highest
    murder rates in the country. This trend actually goes back to 2008, with
    just one year, 2015, where Maryland replaced Alabama in the top three.
    These three red states have consistently had the highest murder rates for
    over 15 years now. You would never know it based on the media.

    For example, Republicans and the media constantly talk about rampant
    crime
    in California and New York, but those two states murder rates dont even
    crack the top 25. In 2021, California had the 26th highest murder rate
    and
    New York had the 33rd highest rate. In 2022, California had the 30th and
    New York had the 35th highest murder rates. Mississippi and Louisianas
    murder rates have been more than three times Californias over the past
    two years. And more than four times New Yorks. If California had the
    same
    murder rate as Mississippi, 5,101 more people would have been killed in
    2022. If New York had the same murder rate as Louisiana, 2,814 more
    people
    would have died.

    The rest of the top 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2021 and
    2022 include usual suspects like New Mexico, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia. In 2021, 6 out of the 10 states with the highest
    murder rates voted for Donald Trump in 2020. In 2022, 8 out of 10 voted
    for Donald Trump. Red states like Tennessee and South Carolina have consistently been in the top 10 since 2000, with Arkansas joining the mix
    in 2004 and Missouri in 2008. Blue states like New Mexico and Georgia
    have
    consistently been in the top 10 since 2000. Maryland and Illinois were in
    the top 10 in 2021 but dropped off in 2022 when their murder rates
    decreased by 16% and 15%, respectively. They were replaced in the top 10
    by Arkansas and Alaska. Alaska saw an unexpected 51% increase in
    homicides
    from 2021 to 2022, bringing them from the 24th highest murder rate to the
    10th highest.

    The bottom line is that red states have dominated, and continue to
    dominate, the top 10 states with the highest murder rates since 2000.

    Even when large cities are removed from red states, murder rates are
    still
    higher.

    Red states have a ready excuse for their high murder rates: the blue
    cities located within them. This is laughable. First of all, blue states
    have more blue cities than red states. Thats what makes them blue.
    Second, the numbers dont lie even when giving red states some extra
    help.

    We removed all of the murders in the county with the largest city for 22
    of 25 red states. Three red statesNorth Dakota, Wyoming, and
    Idahodidnt
    have large enough cities to perform this exercise, so we used their
    original rate. We did not give this advantage to blue states. Even with
    this special help, the red state murder problem still persisted.
    (Information on which counties were removed is in the methods section
    below.)

    In 2021, after removing the largest cities, red states still had a murder
    rate 20% higher than blue states. Even after removing Jackson and New
    Orleans, Mississippi and Louisiana still had the two highest murder rates
    in the country. Alabama still held the number three spot, and South
    Carolina the number five spot. Removing big blue cities from red states
    didnt make much of a difference in state rankings.

    In 2022, red states still had a murder rate 16% higher than blue states
    after removing their largest cities. Alabama actually jumped from the
    number three spot to the number one spot. Mississippi held the second
    spot, New Mexico (a blue state that did not get added help) the third,
    and
    Louisiana the fourth. So, while there was some small movement of states
    in
    this exercise, the theme stayed the same: red states continued to
    dominate
    the states with the highest murder rates, even after we gave them the
    advantage of removing their largest city.

    But we shouldnt have to remove these cities from our analysis because
    blue cities in red states are still beholden to red state laws. Laws that
    make it easy for criminals to traffic and buy guns (86% of homicides are committed with a gun). Laws that underinvest in cities, law enforcement,
    and social programs. Laws that are responsible for the highest poverty
    rates and the highest gun violence rates in the country. The fact that
    murder rates are high all across red states, not just in cities, tells us
    that state laws play a part in their crime problem. Blue states spend 33%
    more money per capita on policing than red states.

    For years, Republicans have struck political gold by accusing Democrats
    of
    defunding the police. And for many voters, those accusations have
    stuck.
    In 2022, 48% of voters believed that the Democratic party supports
    defunding the police. But the data tells a different story.

    Using the 2021 Annual Survey of State and Local Government Finances from
    the US Census Bureau, we analyzed police spending in all 50 states. We
    found that blue states spent 33% more money per capita on policing than
    red states. In 2021, blue states on average spent $453.67 per resident on policing while red states only spent $341.37 per resident.

    Many of the states accused of defunding the police, like California,
    New
    York, and Illinois, actually spent the most on policing. California spent
    the most on policing at $634.53 per resident. New York spent the third
    most at $539.92. And Illinois came in sixth place at $471.26. Eight out
    of
    10 states spending the most on policing are blue states, joined by red
    states Alaska and Florida. And those blue states arent just blue,
    theyre
    the bluest of statesCalifornia, New York, Maryland, Illinois, New
    Jersey,
    Rhode Island, and Minnesota.

    In 2021, states on average spent $406.68 per resident on policing. Out of
    the 25 red states, 23 spent less than the national average. About half of
    blue states spent more or the same and half spent less than the national average. High crime states like Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama
    arent
    investing in policing at the same level as blue states. Mississippi came
    in the 44th spot out of 50, spending 34% less than the national average. Louisiana did a bit better, coming in 27th place spending 15% less than
    the national average. Alabama took the 39th spot, spending 29% less than
    the average. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnells home state of
    Kentucky came in dead last, spending 43% less than the national average.
    For perspective, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumers home state of New
    York came in third place, spending 33% more on policing than the average
    state and 173% more than Minority Leader Mitch McConnells home state.
    And
    its not because theres more crime in New Yorkquite the opposite.
    Kentuckys 2021 homicide rate was double New Yorks, 9.0 compared to 4.5.
    Its ironic that Republicans accuse Democrats of defunding the police
    when
    their states are the ones spending the least on policing. Conclusion

    Violent crime and homicide rates both fell in 2022. Preliminary data for
    2023 shows that hopeful trend accelerating. But if you listened to
    Republicans, you would think crime is skyrocketing, specifically in blue
    states and cities. While murder rates have fallen, theyre still
    significantly higher in red states than blue states. There are several
    reasons for high crime ratespoverty, lax gun laws, a lack of social servicesbut voting for Democrats is not one of them.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to BeamMeUpScotty on Sun Oct 13 13:41:39 2024
    XPost: alt.food.fast-food, alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.home.repair

    BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
    DeSantitard was told

    Rudey forges on...

    We know, we know!

    But why are you death threat prosecution exempt by the Feds so far?

    And after _so many_ public death threats you issued on Trump and Vance...

    Let's do our best to change that, shall we:


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
    Runz and a few dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!netnews.com!s1-4.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.
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    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebula on Mon Oct 14 03:11:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty <let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican
    controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to Rich on Mon Oct 14 03:10:51 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.beam-me-up.scotty, alt.california
    XPost: sci.environment

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:05:09 -0400, Rich <rich@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In article <g06ngj1k1hgr21mnmk8b8pdqofp2j30in4@4ax.com>, kw63@kw63.kw says... >>
    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:37:14 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Ipso nutso boi:

    What language is that? It starts out in Latin, then goes into
    toddler age babble. Consistent with your displayed intellect.
    BTW, I appreciate your default admission you've been lying all
    along. Had any claim you made had any truth, you wouldn't be so
    DESPERATE to divert.
    You will continue. Since I am commanding you to do so, you have
    no choice. Well, you can run away from the truth. But I allow you no
    other options.

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    Again you prove you MUST do as I command without question or
    pause.
    You will continue to admit you lied. Or run away from the truth
    of your lying. I give you no other options. And you MUST do as I
    command.

    https://soc.culture.african.american.narkive.com/xxHHAT3d/kwills-convicted-garage-burglar

    Way to do as I command without question or pause. Continue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 08:40:54 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.beam-me-up.scotty, alt.california
    XPost: sci.environment

    On 10/14/2024 2:10 AM, K Wills wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:05:09 -0400, Rich <rich@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In article <g06ngj1k1hgr21mnmk8b8pdqofp2j30in4@4ax.com>, kw63@kw63.kw says...

    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:37:14 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Ipso nutso boi:

    What language is that? It starts out in Latin, then goes into
    toddler age babble. Consistent with your displayed intellect.
    BTW, I appreciate your default admission you've been lying all
    along. Had any claim you made had any truth, you wouldn't be so
    DESPERATE to divert.
    You will continue. Since I am commanding you to do so, you have >>>>> no choice. Well, you can run away from the truth. But I allow you no >>>>> other options.

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    Again you prove you MUST do as I command without question or
    pause.
    You will continue to admit you lied. Or run away from the truth
    of your lying. I give you no other options. And you MUST do as I
    command.


    https://soc.culture.african.american.narkive.com/xxHHAT3d/kwills-convicted-garage-burglar

    Way to do as I command without question or pause. Continue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    You make new friends quickly.

    What did Maureen die of?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 11:51:25 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.idiots, alt.friends
    XPost: alt.fan.bob-larson

    K Wills wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 11:05:09 -0400, Rich <rich@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    In article <g06ngj1k1hgr21mnmk8b8pdqofp2j30in4@4ax.com>, kw63@kw63.kw says...

    On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:37:14 -0600, Mittens Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    Ipso nutso boi:

    What language is that? It starts out in Latin, then goes into
    toddler age babble. Consistent with your displayed intellect.
    BTW, I appreciate your default admission you've been lying all
    along. Had any claim you made had any truth, you wouldn't be so
    DESPERATE to divert.
    You will continue. Since I am commanding you to do so, you have >>>>> no choice. Well, you can run away from the truth. But I allow you no >>>>> other options.

    I would be too, if this were my rap sheet:

    Again you prove you MUST do as I command without question or
    pause.
    You will continue to admit you lied. Or run away from the truth
    of your lying. I give you no other options. And you MUST do as I
    command.


    https://soc.culture.african.american.narkive.com/xxHHAT3d/kwills-convicted-garage-burglar

    Way to do as I command without question or pause. Continue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.


    This "do as I command" act of yours is lame and has been used on way too
    many different posters.

    https://www.arkansasonline.com/obituaries/2018/jul/21/maureen-mcallister-2018-07-21/

    https://alt.pagan.narkive.com/cidWS4Om/happy-birthday-rev-bob-larson#post3

    Maureen McAllister of Dardanelle Arkansas
    stalked and harassed an eBay seller for
    TEN YEARS after she got her refund!

    She has stalked and harassed this one
    televangelist Bob Larson for 27 years!

    But Maureen, a TeeVee TRUE-CRIME fan
    pretends to be a condemnatory armchair
    criminologist yet lies her backside off to
    DEFEND her two time convicted thieving
    felon and garage burglar ally of 8+ years.

    A self-styled pagan, "Moe" once described
    how she had suppressed violent urges
    toward Christians.

    Like many raging atheists and anti-religion
    zealots, Maureen seems to be acting out
    some kind of angry catharsis, but keep
    in mind that she harassed an eBay seller
    for TEN YEARS after getting her refund.

    I suspect that Moe is a sociopath who
    doesn't have real emotions "acts out"
    emotions. I think Moe's anger at religion
    is more about play acting and obsessive
    habit than any actual catharsis.

    Moe lives with her Daddy Frank and he's getting old.
    Kent Wills12 years ago
    PermalinkOn Thu, 31 May 2012 06:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
    Post by Greegor
    Post by Jazzy Belle
    Thanks for referring to someone you admire so much you have his name
    on your posting name. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bob-Larson-Is-A-Fraud/171748786186422 http://www.facebook.com/groups/90279123170/
    I'm sure you are repeating your gloating like you did after Steve
    Irwin passed away.
    Maureen McAllister of Dardanelle Arkansas
    stalked and harassed an eBay seller for
    TEN YEARS after she got her refund!
    [...]
    What does your LIE (you've been asked to offer evidence of your
    claim for over a year and you've run away from it each and every time)
    have to do with Ken Smith or Steve Irwin?
    Please be specific since few who lack your mental illnesses
    (plural) will be able to understand.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 11:41:48 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty <let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican
    controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.
    Obviously it is another Rudey forgery, are you being coy?

    How's your good buddy Ken Smith doing these days?

    Ya'll hunting any more televangelists down?

    WWBD

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 11:54:17 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.bob-larson
    XPost: alt.idiots

    K Wills wrote:
    You will continue to admit you lied. Or run away from the truth
    of your lying. I give you no other options. And you MUST do as I
    command.

    Maureen McAllister of Dardanelle Arkansas
    stalked and harassed an eBay seller for
    TEN YEARS after she got her refund!

    She has stalked and harassed this one
    televangelist Bob Larson for 27 years!

    But Maureen, a TeeVee TRUE-CRIME fan
    pretends to be a condemnatory armchair
    criminologist yet lies her backside off to
    DEFEND her two time convicted thieving
    felon and garage burglar ally of 8+ years.

    A self-styled pagan, "Moe" once described
    how she had suppressed violent urges
    toward Christians.

    Like many raging atheists and anti-religion
    zealots, Maureen seems to be acting out
    some kind of angry catharsis, but keep
    in mind that she harassed an eBay seller
    for TEN YEARS after getting her refund.

    I suspect that Moe is a sociopath who
    doesn't have real emotions "acts out"
    emotions. I think Moe's anger at religion
    is more about play acting and obsessive
    habit than any actual catharsis.

    Moe lives with her Daddy Frank and he's getting old.
    Kent Wills12 years ago
    PermalinkOn Thu, 31 May 2012 06:50:05 -0700 (PDT), Greegor
    Post by Greegor
    Post by Jazzy Belle
    Thanks for referring to someone you admire so much you have his name
    on your posting name. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bob-Larson-Is-A-Fraud/171748786186422 http://www.facebook.com/groups/90279123170/
    I'm sure you are repeating your gloating like you did after Steve
    Irwin passed away.
    Maureen McAllister of Dardanelle Arkansas
    stalked and harassed an eBay seller for
    TEN YEARS after she got her refund!
    [...]
    What does your LIE (you've been asked to offer evidence of your
    claim for over a year and you've run away from it each and every time)
    have to do with Ken Smith or Steve Irwin?
    Please be specific since few who lack your mental illnesses
    (plural) will be able to understand.

    https://www.smithfamilycares.com/obituaries?page=518

    https://www.smithfamilycares.com/obituaries/maureen-mcallister

    Maureen is a little sweet girl that was dedicated to Daddy. She never
    left home. She called me crying one day and I kept calling back and
    calling back but no answer. She died of Leukemia. Michael never told me
    about her being sick or in the hospital. She sure wanted to tell me
    something. I love Maureen. Now it's jist me and Michael. Maureen needed someone to be with her alone on that property. I wish she would have
    asked me.

    Jean Mcallister

    Sep 12, 2018

    Visits: 20

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 12:55:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty.

    Ken Smith
    25/06/2006 22:26:35 UTC
    All:

    If Larson is getting this much traction, perhaps it is high time that

    the BLFC rides again. We won't have to get involved beyond that, since

    our friends at Trinity Foundation has complete Larson files -- they have

    been monitoring him for quite some time -- but we need to put a stop to

    his sudden surge in apparent credibility in the secular press.

    Whoever has archived the website, please let me know what the URLs

    are via e-mail, so that I can include actual page references in the

    release.

    A cheap press release ought to cost $50-100, and will be archived on the

    'Net for basically forever.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 14 12:57:31 2024
    XPost: rec.food.cooking, alt.home.repair, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    XPost: alt.california, sci.environment

    K Wills wrote:
    you do really HATE
    truth and honesty too much to explain

    Ken Smith
    25/06/2006 22:26:35 UTC
    All:

    If Larson is getting this much traction, perhaps it is high time that

    the BLFC rides again. We won't have to get involved beyond that, since

    our friends at Trinity Foundation has complete Larson files -- they have

    been monitoring him for quite some time -- but we need to put a stop to

    his sudden surge in apparent credibility in the secular press.

    Whoever has archived the website, please let me know what the URLs

    are via e-mail, so that I can include actual page references in the

    release.

    A cheap press release ought to cost $50-100, and will be archived on the

    'Net for basically forever.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Oct 16 13:07:43 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:11:05 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty
    <let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican
    controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is dead.


    Yes Rudey, we see you doing that all the time, including your forgery in
    this post - Governor Swill.

    He died of AIDS in Atlanta several years back.

    You're fucking INSANE!


    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
    Runz/Paul S Perso and a few dozen or even more other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.netnews.com!netnews.com!s1-4.netnews.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.
    highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 17 02:41:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:41:31 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:11:05 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty >><let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican >>>controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is >dead.

    I don't know Rudy. At least not by that name.
    Scotty is still posting. Just under different nyms.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Oct 17 11:57:06 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is dead.

    Closing your presence out soon, little man ball:

    https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1846949635018940587

    Now why would the Pentagon want to “create deepfake internet users”?

    Wouldn’t that be “misinformation” and a “threat to our democracy”?

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls. --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 17 16:20:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    I don't know Rudy. At least not by that name.

    How's your old buddy Ken Smith doing?

    Ken Smith
    25/06/2006 22:26:35 UTC
    All:

    If Larson is getting this much traction, perhaps it is high time that

    the BLFC rides again. We won't have to get involved beyond that, since

    our friends at Trinity Foundation has complete Larson files -- they have

    been monitoring him for quite some time -- but we need to put a stop to

    his sudden surge in apparent credibility in the secular press.

    Whoever has archived the website, please let me know what the URLs

    are via e-mail, so that I can include actual page references in the

    release.

    A cheap press release ought to cost $50-100, and will be archived on the

    'Net for basically forever.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Fri Oct 18 03:24:33 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:57:06 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >> presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is >> dead.

    Closing your presence out soon, little man ball:


    What does any of this have to do with Swill and/or Rudy?

    https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1846949635018940587

    Now why would the Pentagon want to create deepfake internet users?


    To gather intelligence. AI "users" may find it easier to glean
    information from various forums.

    Wouldnt that be misinformation

    An argument can be made.

    and a threat to our democracy?

    No.


    The answer is, yes it would, and thats the entire point with these ghouls.

    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Tampon Timmy@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 18 06:02:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    As currently implemented, AI is Artificial Ignorance.

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  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to Tampon Timmy on Fri Oct 18 09:46:58 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Tampon Timmy wrote:
    K Wills wrote:
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    As currently implemented, AI is Artificial Ignorance.

    Amen!

    Programmed by morons to dupe morons.

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 18 09:46:34 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    and a “threat to our democracy”?
    No.

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls.
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    How was the IRS used to gather information on and persecute the
    patriotic enemies of Obammy?

    Lois Lerner much, clownshow?

    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

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  • From Pierre Delecto Romney@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Oct 18 15:24:23 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    not under his own?

    You forging fuckwit.

    ...now exposing your agency origins and goobermint posting shields,
    little man Ball/glowie:

    https://x.com/JoshWalkos/status/1846949635018940587

    Now why would the Pentagon want to “create deepfake internet users”?

    Wouldn’t that be “misinformation” and a “threat to our democracy”?

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls
    --
    ⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to robberbaron@invalid.ut on Sat Oct 19 03:03:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    and a threat to our democracy?
    No.

    The answer is, yes it would, and thats the entire point with these ghouls. >> How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    How was the IRS used to gather information on and persecute the
    patriotic enemies of Obammy?


    It wasn't.
    Now please explain, as requested above.

    Lois Lerner much, clownshow?

    Fear truth and honesty much?
    Spoiler: You do!

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy on Sat Oct 19 03:03:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 06:02:37 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    As currently implemented, AI is Artificial Ignorance.

    I can't really argue against that.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 19 03:03:26 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:14:22 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 02:41:47 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:41:31 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:11:05 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:49:40 -0000 (UTC), BeamMeUpScotty >>>><let.trump.rape.you@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:

    Is Greg Abbott still keeping illegals around to work in his mansion?

    DeSantitard was told to stop you know.

    Armed robbery and murders have soared in the violent, republican >>>>>controlled, red states.

    [...]

    So who are you? Your post is too well formulated and written to
    be Scotty. He has trouble getting above a fourth grade level.

    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >>>presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is >>>dead.

    I don't know Rudy. At least not by that name.
    Scotty is still posting. Just under different nyms.

    But not under his own?

    Not that I've seen for a number of months.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Comerciante_Cuatro@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sat Oct 19 13:46:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    and a “threat to our democracy”?
    No.

    The answer is, yes it would, and that’s the entire point with these ghouls.
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    How was the IRS used to gather information on and persecute the
    patriotic enemies of Obammy?


    It wasn't.
    Now please explain, as requested above.

    Lois Lerner much, clownshow?

    Fear truth and honesty much?
    Spoiler: You do!

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.



    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents yet
    Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Trump Worshippers - Bible Belt Quee@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 19 14:27:41 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    They say DeSantis is going to outlaw floods in Fla because the insurance companies have abandoned the poor 3rd world shithole.

    Why are rightists so inferior? Look at all the redstate crime and the abject poverty you slobs live in. Isn't time to get a job?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Oct 19 19:15:01 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 03:24:33 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:57:06 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Probably Rudy. He has a reputation for posting using nyms of past posters >>>> presumed dead. You'll see him on occasion, asking if poster 'so-and-so' is
    dead.

    Closing your presence out soon, little man ball:


    What does any of this have to do with Swill and/or Rudy?

    The Usenet troll currently posting as Pierre is under that impression that dozens of regular posters, including myself, are actually Rudy. And he subscribes to the John Ball origin theory of Rudy Canoza.



    he said i was rudy as well... i told rudy to tell him no.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 19 16:55:56 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases. They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    --
    Uh-oh -- I've let the cat out of the bag. Let me, then, straightforwardly state the thesis I shall now elaborate: Making variations on a theme is
    really the crux of creativity.
    -- Douglas R. Hofstadter, "Metamagical Themas"

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 19 15:19:38 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <vf16d8$1bt8$3@dont-email.me>, OFeem1987@teleworm.us says...

    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases. They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why so many?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to comerciante.cuatro@alt.home.repair on Sun Oct 20 03:33:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Sat, 19 Oct 24 13:46:16 UTC, Comerciante_Cuatro <comerciante.cuatro@alt.home.repair> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney
    <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    and a threat to our democracy?
    No.

    The answer is, yes it would, and thats the entire point with these ghouls.
    How would the gathering of intelligence be a threat to our
    democracy? I honestly don't see it.

    How was the IRS used to gather information on and persecute the
    patriotic enemies of Obammy?

    It wasn't.
    Now please explain, as requested above.



    Note that I'm still waiting.


    Lois Lerner much, clownshow?

    Fear truth and honesty much?
    Spoiler: You do!

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.


    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents yet >Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.


    What does one have to do with the other?
    Agents are necessary to enforce tax codes and laws. Federal
    agents, regardless as to which department, being armed is nothing new.
    You could wonder about why so many. It's not as if 60,000 retired.

    So after the 2024 Stealection,

    Clearly you're already holding the position that Trump will lose.
    And rather than accept reality, you have already come up with an
    unhinged conspiracy rant.

    will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    Since you already present Trump will lose, we don't have to worry
    about a gang bang. At least in your mind.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sun Oct 20 16:40:19 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents yet
    Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases. They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.
    Darn you are one ignorant fool Chris.

    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Oct 20 18:49:21 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents
    yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block- border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats- immigration-border-bill

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 20 13:24:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <XnsB2118C2B559FF629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents
    yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block- border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats- immigration-border-bill

    There were no up grades. I was a pork filled money laundering scam.

    The border only needs for people to follow the law. It's that simple.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Oct 21 00:44:36 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents
    yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block- border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.
    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.
    At this point you sound like the DNC and MSNBC.
    Foolish.



    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Mon Oct 21 00:46:25 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB2118C2B559FF629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents
    yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democrats-
    immigration-border-bill

    There were no up grades. I was a pork filled money laundering scam.

    The border only needs for people to follow the law. It's that simple.

    Biden cancelled the Trump policies on day one.
    Remain in Mexico, no catch and release etc.
    He also had the power from day 2 to enforce them again.
    He didn't.
    And border Czar Kamala Harris didn't either.

    Case closed.


    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Oct 21 01:50:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever
    the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democra
    ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to pothead@snakebite.com on Mon Oct 21 03:07:36 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:40:19 -0000 (UTC), pothead
    <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS agents yet >>> Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever the
    tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases. They're there
    to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.

    How so? As you will already know, most came to the U.S. legally
    then over stayed their visas. The border isn't the real problem.
    Why don't you want to address the REAL issue? What do you fear
    about the truth? I really do want to know. But I suspect you will
    never answer my question.

    Darn you are one ignorant fool Chris.

    Yet Chris knows more than you. If your posts are an accurate
    indication.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Kimberly Cheatle Roofing@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 21 06:46:18 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    As you will already know, most came to the U.S. legally
    then over stayed their visas. The border isn't the real problem.

    Right! And the vaxxxine is safe and effective.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Oct 21 05:10:56 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    --
    Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
    The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \
    of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Oct 21 12:07:58 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 2024-10-21, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers. >>>>>>
    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever
    the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democra
    ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.

    It doesn't matter WHO wrote the bill.
    They have their reasons.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?



    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Oct 21 13:03:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf5g6u$u9u8$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-21, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut
    or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever
    the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democ
    ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.

    It doesn't matter WHO wrote the bill.
    They have their reasons.



    Even when Republicans try to ssecure the
    border Trump objects.



    Senate Republicans block
    bipartisan
    border package
    February 7, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8



    Republican Efforts to Defund
    Border Security
    May 3, 2023
    http://tinyurl.com/55ttum6h




    Senate Republicans block border
    security bill as they campaign
    on border chaos
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8





    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3ujn9bym

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 06:38:17 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <XnsB211D39D2EA6B629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million taxpayers. >>>>>
    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut or
    gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever
    the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democra
    ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Follow the law. Cross only at legal crossing points. Get vetted. That is
    the way it is. Just do it. You cross illegally you go to jail or get
    sent back. Simple.

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 07:42:25 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <XnsB212517244C2F629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf5g6u$u9u8$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-21, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut >>>>>>> or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever >>>>>> the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democ >>>> ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.

    It doesn't matter WHO wrote the bill.
    They have their reasons.



    Even when Republicans try to ssecure the
    border Trump objects.



    Senate Republicans block
    bipartisan
    border package
    February 7, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8



    Republican Efforts to Defund
    Border Security
    May 3, 2023
    http://tinyurl.com/55ttum6h




    Senate Republicans block border
    security bill as they campaign
    on border chaos
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8





    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3ujn9bym

    You really are this stupid. The fact is they had to climb over it. It
    wasn't just opened for them like Joe and Harris did.

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 07:41:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <vf5gch$uc8a$6@dont-email.me>, chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com
    says...

    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You cross at legal crossing points and get vetted. Cross anywhere else
    and you are breaking the law. Go to jail or get deported. Always been
    that way. No need to change anything.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 11:46:36 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <671659ba$2$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You cross at legal crossing points and get vetted. Cross anywhere else
    and you are breaking the law. Go to jail or get deported. Always been
    that way. No need to change anything.



    That may be the law but in reaality you get put up in a hotel room and
    given a cebit card to spend the money. Maybe other benefits.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 21 10:22:24 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair
    XPost: alt.california.illegals, alt.politics.immigration

    On 10/21/2024 2:07 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.
    How so? As you will already know, most came to the U.S. legally
    then over stayed their visas.

    BULLSHIT LIE!

    https://www.fairus.org/issue/how-many-illegal-aliens-are-united-states-2023-update

    As of June 2023, FAIR estimates that approximately 16.8 million illegal
    aliens reside in the United States. This is significantly higher than
    our January 2022 illegal alien population estimate of 15.5 million.[1]
    This estimate is also a 2.3 million increase from our end-of-2020
    estimate, meaning the illegal alien population increased 16 percent
    nationwide during just the first two years of Joe Biden’s presidency.

    FAIR’s most recent comprehensive fiscal cost study showed that illegal
    aliens and their U.S.-born children impose a net annual cost of $150.6
    billion on American taxpayers as of the beginning of 2023. According to
    the previous (2017) cost study, the annual net cost of illegal migration
    was approximately $116 billion.[2] This means that in the short span of
    5 years, the annual cost to American taxpayers has increased by nearly
    $35 billion. When further adjusted for the increased illegal alien
    population growth demonstrated by this report, taxpayers are being set
    up for annual spending to the tune of $163 billion and counting. This
    burden will only continue to grow as a result of the Biden
    administration’s open-borders policies.

    WHO IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN?
    An illegal alien is simply any alien who is present in the United States without legal status, like a valid visa or lawful permanent residence.

    It is important to note that “legal status” is not the same as “lawful presence.” For example, recipients of deferred action, deferred enforced departure, Temporary Protected Status (TPS), or parole do not have legal status. These programs (some of which are authorized by statute, some
    are not) do not give illegal aliens visas or green cards. They merely
    defer deportation for a period of time.

    Nevertheless, these aliens are still described as “lawfully present” or
    as having “lawful presence.” That is because “lawful presence” is a term of art under immigration law designed to clarify that although an
    alien has no legal status, he or she is not accruing unlawful presence
    under Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) Section 212(a)(9) for
    purposes of the three and ten-year bars.[3]

    Under INA Section 212(a)(9), an alien who has no legal status will start
    to accrue days of unlawful presence. If the alien accrues more than 180
    of unlawful presence and is then deported or otherwise leaves, the alien
    is barred from admission for three years. If the alien accrues 365 or
    more days (one year) of unlawful presence and is then deported or
    otherwise leaves, s/he is barred from admission for ten years.[4]

    However, if an alien is granted a deferral of deportation, such as
    deferred action, the deferral would not be meaningful if, by staying,
    the alien could be barred from re-entry for three to ten years. To
    avoid this outcome, the former Immigration and Naturalization Service
    (INS), now United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), essentially deemed that aliens with such deferrals are “lawfully
    present” so that they do not accrue days of unlawful presence and are
    not subject to the statutory bars.[5]

    For this study’s purposes, we use the definition that conforms to U.S. immigration law and consider individuals present in the U.S. without
    legal status to be illegal aliens, regardless of any deferments
    applicable to their removal or accrual of unlawful presence. Counting individuals in these situations as “legal immigrants” or “lawful residents” would be both incorrect and a biased mischaracterization of immigration law.

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  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Oct 21 10:23:09 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair
    XPost: alt.california.illegals, alt.politics.immigration

    On 10/20/2024 7:50 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill

    Notably, this bill would not stop anyone from being allowed to set foot
    on U.S. soil. It would not, therefore, do anything to bring down “the numbers” on its own. The bill’s proponents hope instead that it will
    reduce the number of people who are allowed to stay in the U.S. outside
    of immigration custody, and therefore, through word of mouth, reduce the
    number of people trying to come to begin with.

    What we have seen, time and time again, is that adding additional
    penalties or complications to the process for asylum seekers once they
    arrive in the U.S. immiserates those asylum seekers without having a
    lasting impact on overall border arrivals. This is especially true when
    the process is made longer and less certain, contributing to bottlenecks throughout the system including dangerous border overcrowding.

    What is instead needed is a way to resolve these cases quickly and certainly—taking months, not years...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Oct 21 10:19:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 10/21/2024 7:03 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Even when Republicans try to ssecure the
    border Trump objects.

    RINOs tried to "insecure the border" so more waves of slave labor could
    enter.

    https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill

    Notably, this bill would not stop anyone from being allowed to set foot
    on U.S. soil. It would not, therefore, do anything to bring down “the numbers” on its own. The bill’s proponents hope instead that it will
    reduce the number of people who are allowed to stay in the U.S. outside
    of immigration custody, and therefore, through word of mouth, reduce the
    number of people trying to come to begin with.

    What we have seen, time and time again, is that adding additional
    penalties or complications to the process for asylum seekers once they
    arrive in the U.S. immiserates those asylum seekers without having a
    lasting impact on overall border arrivals. This is especially true when
    the process is made longer and less certain, contributing to bottlenecks throughout the system including dangerous border overcrowding.

    What is instead needed is a way to resolve these cases quickly and certainly—taking months, not years...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Oct 21 10:25:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair
    XPost: alt.california.illegals, alt.politics.immigration

    On 10/20/2024 12:49 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time

    https://www.heritage.org/homeland-security/report/the-senate-border-bill-disaster-border-security

    THE ISSUE
    The U.S. Senate has finally released the “border security” text that
    three Senators secretly negotiated for weeks with the Biden
    Administration. The Emergency National Security Supplemental
    Appropriations Act of 2024 includes more than $20.2 billion for “border” funding and hundreds of pages of border and immigration reforms. The key takeaway is that neither the funding nor the statutory reforms would
    truly secure the border, and border security is the only measure that
    Congress should use.

    CONGRESS SHOULD STOP FUNDING SANCTUARY CITIES AND NGO INFRASTRUCTURE
    With more than $7 billion for the Departments of Homeland Security,
    State, Justice, and Health and Human Services, the Biden Administration
    would again fund “sanctuary” jurisdictions and nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) that have been facilitating mass illegal
    immigration, using federal grants provided by these departments.
    Sanctuary mayors and governors have decried the volume and cost of
    illegal aliens amassed in their jurisdictions, yet they do not terminate
    their sanctuary policies. Instead, they demand more federal taxpayer
    money to pay for sheltering, transporting, and providing social services
    to the ever-increasing number of illegal aliens. This bill would deliver
    for these mayors and governors.

    Both the Biden Administration and the sanctuary officials work with a
    network of secretive NGOs that built and staff the considerable
    infrastructure that facilitates the mass illegal immigration from as far
    south as South America to, and throughout, the United States. Multiple
    videos have shown that NGO staff at shelters, hotels, and airports
    refuse to answer questions about the illegal aliens they guard and grow physically abusive when filmed. Congress should be investigating and
    shutting down this sanctuary-NGO machinery, not giving it more money to continue operating.

    SENATE-NEGOTIATED BILL CODIFIES BIDEN’S OPEN-BORDER TOOLS
    What three Senators negotiated with the architects of America’s border
    crisis would convert the Biden Administration’s destructive policies and violations of immigration law into statute. These measures would not
    only continue the border crisis but would also make it more difficult
    for a future enforcement-minded President to fix.

    Unacceptably, the Senate bill:

    Accepts and codifies crisis levels of daily illegal immigration. If
    passed into law the bill would create a three-year “Border Emergency Authority” to allow agents to expel illegal aliens back across the
    border during “extraordinary migration circumstances”—but the numerous exceptions and limitations swallow that authority whole. The Secretary
    of Homeland Security has the discretion to activate the authority after
    the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) encounters an average of
    4,000 illegal aliens daily for seven consecutive days. Secretary
    activation of the emergency authority becomes mandatory after the CBP encounters a 5,000 illegal-alien daily average for seven consecutive
    days or 8,500 in one day. Not counted in those numbers are unaccompanied children, parolees, those who claim a fear of persecution, have already
    been in the U.S. for 14 days, or already traveled beyond 100 miles from
    the southwest border. The Secretary would not be able to activate the
    authority for more than 270 days, 225 days, and 180 days in calendar
    years one, two, and three, respectively. The bill then adds cumbersome
    and confusing calendar calculation requirements that further limit the Secretary’s use of the emergency authority. Finally, both the Secretary
    and the President could suspend the authority.

    Continuing to allow these crisis-level numbers of illegal-alien
    encounters means that border agents would remain overwhelmed and more
    illegal crossers would evade the agents—turning into “gotaways”—and bad actors would slip thorough limited and rushed vetting.

    Continues “catch and release” and guts the mandatory detention statute. Current law mandates detention for any alien who illegally enters the
    U.S. while pursuing asylum protection. The Senate bill redefines “detention” to “noncustodial detention” and applies this supervised release-by-another-name only to adults. If passed into law, families and children would be released without supervision. Worse, the bill codifies
    the Flores settlement agreement, as interpreted by a single U.S.
    district judge in California, who ruled that unaccompanied aliens could
    not be in immigration detention longer than 20 days. She later expanded
    her ruling to accompanied aliens, meaning families. This bill encourages
    more child recycling by cartels so that more aliens would pose as
    families to avoid even supervised release. DHS Enforcement Lifecycle
    Reports show that aliens released from detention are rarely removed and
    are far less likely to abide by a court-issued deportation order.
    Noncustodial release will result in a significant increase in the alien fugitive backlog.

    Expands and codifies Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas’s mass parole abuse.
    The Senate should have adopted the parole-narrowing text from the
    House-passed bill, the Secure the Border Act (H.R. 2). Instead, the
    Senate bill expands parole beyond exigent medical circumstances and a significant law enforcement or intelligence purpose for those arriving
    at or between land ports of entry. It includes other urgent humanitarian reasons, religious and cultural celebrations, and permits an
    accompanying alien to join the principal alien. In addition, the bill
    does not limit parole for aliens arriving at air or seaports.

    Continues to encourage asylum fraud and accelerates work permits. In
    violation of the Homeland Security Act and section 103 of the
    Immigration and Nationality Act, Secretary Mayorkas finalized a rule in
    which he removed U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
    attorneys and immigration judges from credible fear asylum cases. He
    replaced them with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
    asylum officers reviewing their fellow asylum officers, resulting in
    rubber stamping grants of asylum. If enacted, the Senate bill would
    codify Secretary Mayorkas’ asylum processing rule. It would give aliens
    work authorization immediately upon release and create a bureaucratic
    third administrative appellate body with multiple chances for review, reconsideration, appeal, and motions to reopen their case. This would
    continue to encourage illegal aliens to submit fraudulent asylum claims
    to gain entry and remain and work in the U.S.

    Provides numerous and significant immigration reforms that are unrelated
    to border security. These include:

    Requiring U.S. taxpayers to fund deportation defense attorneys for unaccompanied aliens under 14 years and aliens found to be incompetent. Deportable aliens should continue to pay for their own deportation
    attorneys or seek the services pro bono. The left is breaking this
    bright line rule, starting with children, but it would certainly expand
    this benefit to other deportable alien populations in future
    legislation. Notably, U.S. citizens do not receive taxpayer-funded civil defense attorneys.
    Providing amnesty (green cards) to Afghans inspected and admitted to the
    U.S. by the date of the bill’s enactment or paroled from July 30, 2021,
    until enactment. The bill also accelerates naturalization for the
    amnestied Afghans and gives “Afghan allies” refugee status for up to 10 years.
    Increasing the annual cap on the number of permanent family-based and employment-based immigrant visas for five years.
    Providing minor status and employment authorization for sons and
    daughters of H-1B visa holders, even though they have turned 21.
    Expanding the “business or pleasure purpose” of the “B” temporary visa to add a broad definition of “family purposes.” The bill also permits family members to use the broader “B” visa to remain in the U.S. while
    they await their family-based green card. This undermines the temporary
    purpose of the “B” visa.

    PRESIDENT BIDEN COULD SECURE BORDER WITH CURRENT AUTHORITY—HE DOES NOT
    WANT TO

    President Joe Biden opened the border and created the country’s crisis
    using only executive, not congressional, authority. He can end the chaos
    with the same executive authority; he does not need congressional authority.

    THE ONLY TEST FOR FUNDING AND LEGISLATION: WOULD IT TRULY SECURE THE BORDER?

    When illegal aliens come to the U.S., they want to enter, remain, and
    work here—and that is the best-case scenario. The border is just as open
    to terrorists, the Chinese, Russians, and any number of people who do
    not want to merely work here. Securing the border requires preventing
    those three things. The bill negotiated by three Senators and President
    Biden funds and facilitates more mass illegal immigration. It is a
    disaster for border security.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Mon Oct 21 17:28:46 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67164b02$3$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB211D39D2EA6B629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut
    or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against
    whatever the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-demo
    cra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Follow the law.


    Like convicted felon Trump doee?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 13:38:01 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <XnsB2127E7D81BE6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67164b02$3$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB211D39D2EA6B629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut
    or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against
    whatever the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-demo
    cra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Follow the law.


    Like convicted felon Trump doee?

    TRUMP


    You're frustration is showing.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Mon Oct 21 15:08:17 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 10/21/2024 11:28 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67164b02$3$2754$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB211D39D2EA6B629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut >>>>>>>> or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against
    whatever the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-demo
    cra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Follow the law.


    Like convicted felon Trump doee?


    Whose "law" - Merchan & Bragg's made up version?

    Your time is nigh, cornholer.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Mon Oct 21 22:41:32 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 2024-10-21, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB212517244C2F629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf5g6u$u9u8$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-21, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut
    or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever
    the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democ
    ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.

    It doesn't matter WHO wrote the bill.
    They have their reasons.



    Even when Republicans try to ssecure the
    border Trump objects.



    Senate Republicans block
    bipartisan
    border package
    February 7, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8



    Republican Efforts to Defund
    Border Security
    May 3, 2023
    http://tinyurl.com/55ttum6h




    Senate Republicans block border
    security bill as they campaign
    on border chaos
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8





    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3ujn9bym

    You really are this stupid. The fact is they had to climb over it. It
    wasn't just opened for them like Joe and Harris did.

    Hollow has run out of material and is now resorting to tossing the pasta at the wall
    to see what sticks.
    I've scored him back to -9999 again along with Rudy and his sock puppets and forgeries.

    Both are a waste of time.

    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Oct 21 16:52:21 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 10/21/2024 4:41 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2024-10-21, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB212517244C2F629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf5g6u$u9u8$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-21, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects >>>>>>>>> royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney >>>>>>>>>>>
    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS >>>>>>>>>> agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut >>>>>>>>>> or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever >>>>>>>>> the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases. >>>>>>>>> They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block- >>>>>>> border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democ >>>>>>> ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.

    It doesn't matter WHO wrote the bill.
    They have their reasons.



    Even when Republicans try to ssecure the
    border Trump objects.



    Senate Republicans block
    bipartisan
    border package
    February 7, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8



    Republican Efforts to Defund
    Border Security
    May 3, 2023
    http://tinyurl.com/55ttum6h




    Senate Republicans block border
    security bill as they campaign
    on border chaos
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8





    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3ujn9bym

    You really are this stupid. The fact is they had to climb over it. It
    wasn't just opened for them like Joe and Harris did.

    Hollow has run out of material and is now resorting to tossing the pasta at the wall
    to see what sticks.
    I've scored him back to -9999 again along with Rudy and his sock puppets and forgeries.

    Both are a waste of time.


    Toss Super70s, Gronk, BKS, Siri, and a dozen others in that basket of
    aging, old, demotarded deplorables!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From citizen winston smith@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 21 16:53:42 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 10/21/2024 4:48 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    all these Republican authored plans

    You misspelled RINO again, Rudence.


    https://www.heritage.org/homeland-security/report/the-senate-border-bill-disaster-border-security

    THE ISSUE
    The U.S. Senate has finally released the “border security” text that
    three Senators secretly negotiated for weeks with the Biden
    Administration. The Emergency National Security Supplemental
    Appropriations Act of 2024 includes more than $20.2 billion for “border” funding and hundreds of pages of border and immigration reforms. The key takeaway is that neither the funding nor the statutory reforms would
    truly secure the border, and border security is the only measure that
    Congress should use.

    CONGRESS SHOULD STOP FUNDING SANCTUARY CITIES AND NGO INFRASTRUCTURE
    With more than $7 billion for the Departments of Homeland Security,
    State, Justice, and Health and Human Services, the Biden Administration
    would again fund “sanctuary” jurisdictions and nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) that have been facilitating mass illegal
    immigration, using federal grants provided by these departments.
    Sanctuary mayors and governors have decried the volume and cost of
    illegal aliens amassed in their jurisdictions, yet they do not terminate
    their sanctuary policies. Instead, they demand more federal taxpayer
    money to pay for sheltering, transporting, and providing social services
    to the ever-increasing number of illegal aliens. This bill would deliver
    for these mayors and governors.

    Both the Biden Administration and the sanctuary officials work with a
    network of secretive NGOs that built and staff the considerable
    infrastructure that facilitates the mass illegal immigration from as far
    south as South America to, and throughout, the United States. Multiple
    videos have shown that NGO staff at shelters, hotels, and airports
    refuse to answer questions about the illegal aliens they guard and grow physically abusive when filmed. Congress should be investigating and
    shutting down this sanctuary-NGO machinery, not giving it more money to continue operating.

    SENATE-NEGOTIATED BILL CODIFIES BIDEN’S OPEN-BORDER TOOLS
    What three Senators negotiated with the architects of America’s border
    crisis would convert the Biden Administration’s destructive policies and violations of immigration law into statute. These measures would not
    only continue the border crisis but would also make it more difficult
    for a future enforcement-minded President to fix.

    Unacceptably, the Senate bill:

    Accepts and codifies crisis levels of daily illegal immigration. If
    passed into law the bill would create a three-year “Border Emergency Authority” to allow agents to expel illegal aliens back across the
    border during “extraordinary migration circumstances”—but the numerous exceptions and limitations swallow that authority whole. The Secretary
    of Homeland Security has the discretion to activate the authority after
    the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) encounters an average of
    4,000 illegal aliens daily for seven consecutive days. Secretary
    activation of the emergency authority becomes mandatory after the CBP encounters a 5,000 illegal-alien daily average for seven consecutive
    days or 8,500 in one day. Not counted in those numbers are unaccompanied children, parolees, those who claim a fear of persecution, have already
    been in the U.S. for 14 days, or already traveled beyond 100 miles from
    the southwest border. The Secretary would not be able to activate the
    authority for more than 270 days, 225 days, and 180 days in calendar
    years one, two, and three, respectively. The bill then adds cumbersome
    and confusing calendar calculation requirements that further limit the Secretary’s use of the emergency authority. Finally, both the Secretary
    and the President could suspend the authority.

    Continuing to allow these crisis-level numbers of illegal-alien
    encounters means that border agents would remain overwhelmed and more
    illegal crossers would evade the agents—turning into “gotaways”—and bad actors would slip thorough limited and rushed vetting.

    Continues “catch and release” and guts the mandatory detention statute. Current law mandates detention for any alien who illegally enters the
    U.S. while pursuing asylum protection. The Senate bill redefines “detention” to “noncustodial detention” and applies this supervised release-by-another-name only to adults. If passed into law, families and children would be released without supervision. Worse, the bill codifies
    the Flores settlement agreement, as interpreted by a single U.S.
    district judge in California, who ruled that unaccompanied aliens could
    not be in immigration detention longer than 20 days. She later expanded
    her ruling to accompanied aliens, meaning families. This bill encourages
    more child recycling by cartels so that more aliens would pose as
    families to avoid even supervised release. DHS Enforcement Lifecycle
    Reports show that aliens released from detention are rarely removed and
    are far less likely to abide by a court-issued deportation order.
    Noncustodial release will result in a significant increase in the alien fugitive backlog.

    Expands and codifies Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas’s mass parole abuse.
    The Senate should have adopted the parole-narrowing text from the
    House-passed bill, the Secure the Border Act (H.R. 2). Instead, the
    Senate bill expands parole beyond exigent medical circumstances and a significant law enforcement or intelligence purpose for those arriving
    at or between land ports of entry. It includes other urgent humanitarian reasons, religious and cultural celebrations, and permits an
    accompanying alien to join the principal alien. In addition, the bill
    does not limit parole for aliens arriving at air or seaports.

    Continues to encourage asylum fraud and accelerates work permits. In
    violation of the Homeland Security Act and section 103 of the
    Immigration and Nationality Act, Secretary Mayorkas finalized a rule in
    which he removed U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)
    attorneys and immigration judges from credible fear asylum cases. He
    replaced them with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
    asylum officers reviewing their fellow asylum officers, resulting in
    rubber stamping grants of asylum. If enacted, the Senate bill would
    codify Secretary Mayorkas’ asylum processing rule. It would give aliens
    work authorization immediately upon release and create a bureaucratic
    third administrative appellate body with multiple chances for review, reconsideration, appeal, and motions to reopen their case. This would
    continue to encourage illegal aliens to submit fraudulent asylum claims
    to gain entry and remain and work in the U.S.

    Provides numerous and significant immigration reforms that are unrelated
    to border security. These include:

    Requiring U.S. taxpayers to fund deportation defense attorneys for unaccompanied aliens under 14 years and aliens found to be incompetent. Deportable aliens should continue to pay for their own deportation
    attorneys or seek the services pro bono. The left is breaking this
    bright line rule, starting with children, but it would certainly expand
    this benefit to other deportable alien populations in future
    legislation. Notably, U.S. citizens do not receive taxpayer-funded civil defense attorneys.
    Providing amnesty (green cards) to Afghans inspected and admitted to the
    U.S. by the date of the bill’s enactment or paroled from July 30, 2021,
    until enactment. The bill also accelerates naturalization for the
    amnestied Afghans and gives “Afghan allies” refugee status for up to 10 years.
    Increasing the annual cap on the number of permanent family-based and employment-based immigrant visas for five years.
    Providing minor status and employment authorization for sons and
    daughters of H-1B visa holders, even though they have turned 21.
    Expanding the “business or pleasure purpose” of the “B” temporary visa to add a broad definition of “family purposes.” The bill also permits family members to use the broader “B” visa to remain in the U.S. while
    they await their family-based green card. This undermines the temporary
    purpose of the “B” visa.

    PRESIDENT BIDEN COULD SECURE BORDER WITH CURRENT AUTHORITY—HE DOES NOT
    WANT TO

    President Joe Biden opened the border and created the country’s crisis
    using only executive, not congressional, authority. He can end the chaos
    with the same executive authority; he does not need congressional authority.

    THE ONLY TEST FOR FUNDING AND LEGISLATION: WOULD IT TRULY SECURE THE BORDER?

    When illegal aliens come to the U.S., they want to enter, remain, and
    work here—and that is the best-case scenario. The border is just as open
    to terrorists, the Chinese, Russians, and any number of people who do
    not want to merely work here. Securing the border requires preventing
    those three things. The bill negotiated by three Senators and President
    Biden funds and facilitates more mass illegal immigration. It is a
    disaster for border security.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Tue Oct 22 01:42:20 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf6las$14c6j$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-21, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB212517244C2F629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf5g6u$u9u8$4@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-21, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed)
    IRS agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a
    taxcut or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against
    whatever the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax
    increases. They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-blo
    ck- border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-d
    emoc ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.

    It doesn't matter WHO wrote the bill.
    They have their reasons.



    Even when Republicans try to ssecure the
    border Trump objects.



    Senate Republicans block
    bipartisan
    border package
    February 7, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8



    Republican Efforts to Defund
    Border Security
    May 3, 2023
    http://tinyurl.com/55ttum6h




    Senate Republicans block border
    security bill as they campaign
    on border chaos
    https://tinyurl.com/3hc674n8





    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3ujn9bym

    You really are this stupid. The fact is they had to climb over it. It
    wasn't just opened for them like Joe and Harris did.

    Hollow has run out of material and is now resorting to tossing the
    pasta at the wall to see what sticks.


    Closed McDonalds being used as a
    phoney campaign prop don't serve pasta.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Oct 22 01:44:33 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:jfmdhj9pd5jp0c20kffpljrbo1mn3ibhv6@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:50:51 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut
    or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever
    the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democ
    ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?



    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican
    authored plans don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.




    Every Republican rant about immigration
    is an admission the Trump Wall was a failure.





    "I did finish the wall. I built a wall,"
    Donald Trump, May 9 2003
    https://tinyurl.com/mrxxdw6t

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 21:07:54 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <XnsB212D28C7D998629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:jfmdhj9pd5jp0c20kffpljrbo1mn3ibhv6@4ax.com:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:50:51 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in >>news:vf485k$kmpo$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-20, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vf3bpj$fv09$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-19, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
    Comerciante_Cuatro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
    royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:46:34 -0600, Pierre Delecto Romney

    <snip>

    I do find it ironic that O'Biden hired 60,000 new (armed) IRS
    agents yet Camala is promising a taxcut for 150 million
    taxpayers.

    So after the 2024 Stealection, will We the People get a taxcut >>>>>>> or gangbanged at gun point?

    You make no sense.

    We need sufficient IRS agents to detect cheaters against whatever >>>>>> the tax law is.

    Hiring agents has nothing to do with tax cuts or tax increases.
    They're there to enforce the tax codes.

    What a drama queen you are!

    Why not hire 60,000 border patrol agents instead?
    That's where the real threat to the country is.


    Ask the Republicans who voted
    AGAINST upgrades to border security.



    Senate Republicans block border security
    bill as they campaign on border chaos
    May 23, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-block-
    border-security-bill-campaign-border-chaos-rcna153607




    Senate Republicans block bipartisan border
    security bill for a second time
    MAy 23 2924

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/23/senate-democ >>>> ra ts- immigration-border-bill

    How many times do you need to be told the bill was a joke.


    The Republicans who wrote the bill
    didn't think it was a joke.


    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?



    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican
    authored plans don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.




    Every Republican rant about immigration
    is an admission the Trump Wall was a failure.


    How dumb was that. You are scraping again.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to kim@roof-wisperer.guv on Tue Oct 22 02:55:38 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:46:18 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing <kim@roof-wisperer.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    As you will already know, most came to the U.S. legally
    then over stayed their visas. The border isn't the real problem.

    Right! And the vaxxxine is safe and effective.

    I'm glad you agree.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Tue Oct 22 02:56:03 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:41:05 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <vf5gch$uc8a$6@dont-email.me>, chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com
    says...

    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You cross at legal crossing points and get vetted.

    As much as possible, anyway. It's not so easy if the country of
    origin refuses to give any details.

    Cross anywhere else
    and you are breaking the law.

    Yep.

    Go to jail or get deported.

    Maybe both.

    Always been
    that way. No need to change anything.

    But what of those who came here legally and overstayed their
    visas?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 02:56:27 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 02:57:28 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:28:46 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Follow the law.


    Like convicted felon Trump doee?

    Trump broke the law and is paying the price for it. Just like
    anyone who tries to enter illegally, or overstays their visa. If
    they're caught, they will be tried. If convicted, they will pay the
    price for the crime.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Kimberly Cheatle Roofing@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Tue Oct 22 06:24:59 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.

    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Kimberly Cheatle Roofing on Tue Oct 22 07:01:35 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Governor Swill wrote:

    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored
    plans don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.

    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?

    She's not the border czar, Einstein.

    --
    Phone call for chucky-pooh.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 22 12:59:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:plmehj5trua7ob4t268b5c22entq45c25g@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:28:46 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Follow the law.


    Like convicted felon Trump doee?

    Trump broke the law and is paying the price for it. Just like
    anyone who tries to enter illegally, or overstays their visa. If
    they're caught, they will be tried. If convicted, they will pay the
    price for the crime.


    Unless they marry a Trump.

    Then their visa violations just...go away.




    Trump's wife worked illegally during her first weeks
    in the US, documents show
    November 05, 2016

    WASHINGTON Melania Trump was paid for 10 modeling
    jobs in the United States worth $20,056 that occurred
    in the seven weeks before she had legal permission to
    work in the country, according to detailed accounting
    ledgers, contracts and related documents from 20 years
    ago provided to The Associated Press.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/05/trumps-wife-worked-illegally- during-her-first-weeks-in-us-documents-show.html

    http://tinyurl.com/gtnck9e

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Ed P@21:1/5 to Kimberly Cheatle Roofing on Tue Oct 22 08:36:43 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/22/2024 6:24 AM, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican
    authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.

    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?

    Because the Republicans, goaded by Trump, did not pass the last bill to
    help. He wants chaos to help him in the election.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 08:01:34 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <dlmehjhn5ok5rc6b36ijcc8a28esn2ncsd@4ax.com>, kw63@kw63.kw
    says...

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:42:25 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3ujn9bym

    You really are this stupid. The fact is they had to climb over it. It >wasn't just opened for them like Joe and Harris did.

    Climbing isn't a great hardship, but it does take a wee bit more
    effort than simply walking through.

    Or them just opening up and allowing them to walk in.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 08:02:56 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <vf80n3$1etvo$2@dont-email.me>, OFeem1987@teleworm.us says...

    Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Governor Swill wrote:

    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored >> plans don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.

    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?

    She's not the border czar, Einstein.

    She isn't anything obviously.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 08:00:43 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <sjmehjthtimvqou02rsudbgjp2gohj001g@4ax.com>, kw63@kw63.kw
    says...

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:41:05 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <vf5gch$uc8a$6@dont-email.me>, chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com
    says...

    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You cross at legal crossing points and get vetted.

    As much as possible, anyway. It's not so easy if the country of
    origin refuses to give any details.

    Not our fault.

    Cross anywhere else
    and you are breaking the law.

    Yep.

    Go to jail or get deported.

    Maybe both.

    Always been
    that way. No need to change anything.

    But what of those who came here legally and overstayed their
    visas?


    Send them back.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 22 08:03:46 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <vf868s$1fssh$1@dont-email.me>, esp@snet.n says...

    On 10/22/2024 6:24 AM, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:
    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican
    authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.

    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?

    Because the Republicans, goaded by Trump, did not pass the last bill to
    help. He wants chaos to help him in the election.

    No bill needed. A bill full of pork. Just follow the laws already put in
    place.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 22 15:15:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to kim@roof-wisperer.guv on Wed Oct 23 02:53:06 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:24:59 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing <kim@roof-wisperer.guv> wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.

    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?

    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual
    position?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to aov@bartenders.guv on Wed Oct 23 02:54:07 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.

    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Wed Oct 23 02:53:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:00:43 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <sjmehjthtimvqou02rsudbgjp2gohj001g@4ax.com>, kw63@kw63.kw
    says...

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:41:05 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <vf5gch$uc8a$6@dont-email.me>, chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com
    says...

    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You cross at legal crossing points and get vetted.

    As much as possible, anyway. It's not so easy if the country of
    origin refuses to give any details.

    Not our fault.

    Correct.


    Cross anywhere else
    and you are breaking the law.

    Yep.

    Go to jail or get deported.

    Maybe both.

    Always been
    that way. No need to change anything.

    But what of those who came here legally and overstayed their
    visas?


    Send them back.

    Except under certain situations, that is what happens, if/when
    they're caught.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tampon Timmy@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 23 06:08:07 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --


    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Tampon Timmy on Wed Oct 23 06:57:42 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Tampon Timmy wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    How about feral Usenet trolls? Take a bow, bwah.

    --
    At once it struck me what quality went to form a man of achievement,
    especially in literature, and which Shakespeare possessed so enormously
    -- I mean negative capability, that is, when a man is capable of being
    in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching
    after fact and reason.
    -- John Keats

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 23 05:33:21 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    In article <vfakrs$20ev1$4@dont-email.me>, OFeem1987@teleworm.us says...

    Tampon Timmy wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums. And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    How about feral Usenet trolls? Take a bow, bwah.

    No refute so he spins it around.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 24 03:13:10 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating them into
    their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy on Thu Oct 24 03:12:22 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole
    they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --


    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in
    premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Al Burt Boarla@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 07:06:27 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums.
    And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.
    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    If you find rodents in your cellar do you open the door and let more in?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tampon Timmy@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 06:54:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:53:06 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:24:59 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.
    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?
    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual
    position?
    The position was invented by right wing media after Biden sent Harris on a >> diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on
    reducing immigration to the US.
    Ah... It's fictional. Now I understand.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    She was officially tasked by President Biden on March 24, 2021, “to lead
    our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle…in stemming the
    movement of…migration to our southern border.”

    "https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/"

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 12:58:52 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.



    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Thu Oct 24 12:57:11 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 24 13:00:57 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:pc0khj5ho2tanpepej7ul8fnb186iiha57@ 4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:04:08 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex >><aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>they came from.

    Should we punch holes in your crate before we ship you back to Europe?

    Did Alexandria come to the U.S. illegally?


    Like Melania did?



    Melania Trump was an undocumented working model
    Nov 4 2016

    Melania Trump, the wife of the Republican nominee
    Donald Trump, was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the
    United States in 1996 before obtaining the necessary
    documents to legally work in the country, the
    Associated Press reported Friday.

    The report, which AP says is based on accounting
    ledgers, contracts and other related documents,
    comes one day after Melania Trump delivered her
    first speech in the campaign since the Republican
    National Convention.

    https://tinyurl.com/yabppx7y

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 07:56:02 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB215506D1F6C2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    Still living in the past?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 07:52:32 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2155110A767629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:pc0khj5ho2tanpepej7ul8fnb186iiha57@ 4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:04:08 -0400, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex >><aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>they came from.

    Should we punch holes in your crate before we ship you back to Europe?

    Did Alexandria come to the U.S. illegally?


    Like Melania did?



    Melania Trump was an undocumented working model
    Nov 4 2016

    Melania Trump, the wife of the Republican nominee
    Donald Trump, was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the
    United States in 1996 before obtaining the necessary
    documents to legally work in the country, the
    Associated Press reported Friday.

    The report, which AP says is based on accounting
    ledgers, contracts and other related documents,
    comes one day after Melania Trump delivered her
    first speech in the campaign since the Republican
    National Convention.

    https://tinyurl.com/yabppx7y

    BUTWHATABOUT

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Thu Oct 24 17:34:27 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 15:27:25 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them. Bus tickets aren't that
    expensive.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Fri Oct 25 01:33:31 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to al.burt.boarla@myocarditis.vax on Fri Oct 25 02:01:55 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:06:27 -0400, Al Burt Boarla <al.burt.boarla@myocarditis.vax> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums. >>> And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.
    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in
    premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    If you find rodents in your cellar do you open the door and let more in?

    No. You find how they got in and do what you can to prevent it in
    the future.
    But that has NOTHING to do with my reply to Timmy. Your attempt
    to divert has failed.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy on Fri Oct 25 02:01:41 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:54:47 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:10:48 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:53:06 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:24:59 -0400, Kimberly Cheatle Roofing wrote:

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Funny how Republicans keep complaining that all these Republican authored plans
    don't do anything to stop illegal immigration.
    Why isn't your border czar doing her job?
    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual
    position?
    The position was invented by right wing media after Biden sent Harris on a >>> diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on >>> reducing immigration to the US.
    Ah... It's fictional. Now I understand.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    She was officially tasked by President Biden on March 24, 2021, to lead
    our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Trianglein stemming the
    movement ofmigration to our southern border.

    "https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/"

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.


    What facts of my own are presented?
    The cite you offer presents the title in scare quotes. Indicating
    that it's NOT true. But having passed fifth grade, you know that.
    So why, exactly, are you presenting your own facts, while making
    it far too easy to prove false? I really do want to know. Not that I
    actually expect any kind of honest answer from you.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 02:02:17 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:57:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    But they were, and are, here legally. Legal aliens doesn't appear
    to be the issue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 02:03:09 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:34:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 >$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.


    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    Whoever is paying to deport people now.
    Hint: That's the tax payers.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 25 12:43:17 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6knmhjhgugp9qpste52rcqvhj4nt1kd7kt@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:57:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    But they were, and are, here legally. Legal aliens doesn't appear
    to be the issue.


    They are "polluting our blood", says Trump.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 25 12:45:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:sknmhjl48kdeh8ghp4004qkel3m25p85v4@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.


    So just encourage people to come here legally.


    Asylum seekers ARE trying come here legally.




    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    As was his right as President. Your point?


    A good policy then, a bad policy now?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Oct 25 12:46:53 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:qlnmhjlcg7i2ciuf2f2cbmuh4niisnc7hh@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:34:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 >>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.


    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    Whoever is paying to deport people now.
    Hint: That's the tax payers.


    Conservatives: Government is spending too much money.

    Also Conservatives: Government needs to spend MORE money.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:31:35 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:33:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2164E1226E9C629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6knmhjhgugp9qpste52rcqvhj4nt1kd7kt@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:57:11 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>news:q3ejhj1dh373g85acipm4dr9coo9v0pl5a@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because
    they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?


    Some of us remember the xenophobic outrage
    when Ford settled thousands of Vietnamese
    refugees across America. Five years their new
    neighbors grew to like them, appreciated their
    hard work, and just accepted them as neighbors.

    But they were, and are, here legally. Legal aliens doesn't appear
    to be the issue.


    They are "polluting our blood", says Trump.

    Do you support the gangs coming here because we don't know who they are?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 07:34:46 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2164E68132AC629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:sknmhjl48kdeh8ghp4004qkel3m25p85v4@ 4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.


    So just encourage people to come here legally.


    Asylum seekers ARE trying come here legally.

    Through legal checkpoints?




    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    As was his right as President. Your point?


    A good policy then, a bad policy now?

    Gang members and drugs....YAY

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Fri Oct 25 17:44:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 14:49:54 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 19:39:24 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB216CF8455849629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671c0438$7$2758$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on
    day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better
    than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?



    Like feeding you?

    Keep the blinders on.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Sat Oct 26 01:26:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671c0438$7$2758$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on
    day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better
    than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?



    Like feeding you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Jamaal Bowman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Oct 26 10:04:40 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Exactly what I said. She was sent on a diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on reducing immigration to the US.

    She succeeded. Illegal immigration from the south is sharply down.

    At least you admit the immigration is illegal.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Oct 26 07:55:10 2024
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    <snip>

    Exactly what I said. She was sent on a diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on reducing immigration to the US.

    She succeeded. Illegal immigration from the south is sharply down.

    That bears repeating.

    https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/

    She's screwing up her own campaign. She should be mentioning how her advice to Biden after her official Diplomatic Mission resulted in a sharp drop in illegal immigration.

    She's already preaching to the choir:

    Kamala Harris correct that border immigration has been cut ...

    Austin American-Statesman
    https://www.statesman.com › politifact › 2024/10/26
    2 days ago — Immigration has been one of the toughest issues for Vice
    President Kamala Harris to address on the campaign trail; her opponent,
    Donald Trump, ...

    Unfortunately that site has a paywall.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-tough-migration-pitch-border-points-shifting-national-mo-rcna172850

    Kamala Harris highlighted her tough-on-migration stance during a
    long-anticipated trip Friday to the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona, aiming
    to cover off a political vulnerability and rebut Donald Trump’s core
    campaign message that Democrats are soft on immigration enforcement.

    Meanwhile the Trump loyalists get propaganda from such as the Heritage Foundation.

    --
    What fools these mortals be.
    -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Oct 26 07:56:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.

    So just legalize them.

    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    Exactly! Put them on the grid so we can watch them, get cheap work out of them,
    tax them, pad the Trust Fund!

    We can't stop them, we can't throw them out. Sometimes we pretend we can but all we're really doing is cutting our own throats.

    I approve this message.

    --
    You have to admit that it's difficult to misplace the Perl sources. :-)
    -- Larry Wall in <1992Aug26.184221.29627@netlabs.com>

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 06:09:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <vfile8$3mpq5$8@dont-email.me>, OFeem1987@teleworm.us says...

    Governor Swill wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
    <snip>
    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.

    So just legalize them.

    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    Exactly! Put them on the grid so we can watch them, get cheap work out of them,
    tax them, pad the Trust Fund!

    We can't stop them, we can't throw them out. Sometimes we pretend we can but
    all we're really doing is cutting our own throats.

    I approve this message.

    Of course you do. How many have you taken in?

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 06:34:40 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 12:45:16 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:sknmhjl48kdeh8ghp4004qkel3m25p85v4@ >4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.


    So just encourage people to come here legally.


    Asylum seekers ARE trying come here legally.


    Which means it doesn't apply to them.
    Why are you so DESPERATE to divert from the issue? And why do you
    make it so obvious you are trying to divert? I really do want to know.




    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    As was his right as President. Your point?


    A good policy then, a bad policy now?

    Bad in both cases. But the President may grant amnesty.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 06:37:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 12:46:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:qlnmhjlcg7i2ciuf2f2cbmuh4niisnc7hh@ >4ax.com:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:34:27 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14 >>>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman >>><noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of >>>segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are breaking >>>the
    law. Send them back.


    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    Whoever is paying to deport people now.
    Hint: That's the tax payers.


    Conservatives: Government is spending too much money.

    Also Conservatives: Government needs to spend MORE money.

    So, you're a conservative. Got it.
    Your point?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 06:38:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:44:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 >$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 26 06:39:16 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:37:35 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 07:06:27 -0400, Al Burt Boarla ><al.burt.boarla@myocarditis.vax> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy
    <tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>>>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --

    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums. >>>> And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.
    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in
    premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    If you find rodents in your cellar do you open the door and let more in?

    Illegals aren't rodents. They're human beings. Just as America spent centuries
    in the past taking in immigrants which proved a successful action, so America >must continue to take immigrants in the future to be successful. Our failure >has been to pick and choose rather than follow our old policy of, "you're not >sick and you work? Welcome!

    Comparing illegals to rodents is a poor choice. But if one has
    rodents, said person will find out how they're getting in and take
    action to reduce, if not eliminate, the access.
    And I'm not aware of any way rodents in the cellar can be a
    benefit.
    How this all escapes Al Burt Boarla worries me a bit.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 26 06:38:48 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:32:39 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 03:12:22 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:08:07 -0400, Tampon Timmy >><tampon.timmy@bonus-hole.boy> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:15:16 -0400, Alexandria Ocrazyo-Vortex
    <aov@bartenders.guv> wrote:

    K Wills wrote:
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.
    The cheapest solution would be to air freight them back to the shithole >>>>> they came from.
    The *cheapest* solution would be to do nothing. No cost
    associated with that. But it's not a good solution.

    --


    The cost of doing nothing is increased home and auto insurance premiums. >>>And we all pay for shoplifters too.

    Removing feral illegals from society is the best long-term solution.

    People born in the U.S, or here legally, can cause increases in >>premiums. And can shoplift as well.

    Repeating again, native born Americans are FAR more likely to commit crime in >the US. Immigrants don't come here to steal, they come here for better >opportunity. Yes, the Italians brought the Mafia and the Irish their own Mafia,
    but Hispanics other wise don't bring an overarching criminal element. They >bring only gangs and they must compete with the far more numerous, NATIVE gangs.

    Most anyone, regardless as to where they were born, are capable
    of committing crimes. Those with certain disabilities won't be able,
    of course.
    Immigrants, legal or not, tend to get the most press. But this
    doesn't diminish those who were born in the US who commit the same,
    sometimes worse, crimes.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 26 06:40:32 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:49:00 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 03:13:10 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because >>>>>> they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating them into
    their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.

    Illegally or legally, no.

    Assimilation into and contribution to American culture is both desirable and >required.


    If they're here legally.

    Even things so simple as pot roast (England), with carrots, celery and onions >(France) with mashed potatoes (Ireland), Christmas trees (from Germany via >England) and piatas (Mexico).

    Did these come from *illegal* aliens? I will enjoy reviewing the
    valid, verifiable evidence they did that you will offer.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 26 06:42:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:15:47 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:49:54 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...
    <snip>
    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    Like picking lettuce, emptying bedpans and scrubbing toilets.

    Unless, of course, you've been coveting one of those jobs for your kids.


    If any of my children wish to do any of those jobs, fine. It's
    honest work. And being in the nursing field, emptying bedpans and
    more, isn't too bad. The others aren't as glamorous, of course.

    A servant underclass has always underlaid every prosperous culture.

    Said class can exist with LEGAL immigrants.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 26 06:44:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:36:59 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:02:34 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:58:52 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than nothing. >>>>>>For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution would be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of segregating >>>>>them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.


    So just encourage people to come here legally.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    The waiting list is a decade long.


    Last I checked, and I admit it's been a while, it was five years.

    By the time they got here, they'd be too old to do the jobs we need to let them
    in to do in the first place.


    Let's see. People in their 20's may reach their 30's, using your
    numbers. I fail to see how that would make them too old. And while
    there are immigrants who are elderly, the ones I see, and I see MANY,
    are in their late 20's to early 40's.

    Their kids assimilate in public school but still speak some old langage. *Their*
    kids usually speak little, if any old language and are as American as anybody >else but they continue to carry the work ethic.


    And? Do you suggest this excesses illegal entry?

    "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those
    who have put down roots and lived here, even
    though sometime back they may have entered
    illegally"
    Ronald Reagan, granting amnesty to all illegal
    immigrants, 1986

    As was his right as President. Your point?

    *shrug* Tough call for libs to quote Reagan, who did so much damage. That >said, tough admission for the right which has been slowly abandoning him.

    I do find it interesting how Reagan was the Republican poster boy
    for so long, but is a bit of an embarrassment now.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sat Oct 26 06:46:49 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:51:16 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual
    position?
    The position was invented by right wing media after Biden sent Harris on a >>>> diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on >>>> reducing immigration to the US.
    Ah... It's fictional. Now I understand.

    She was officially tasked by President Biden on March 24, 2021, to lead >>our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Trianglein stemming the
    movement ofmigration to our southern border.

    Exactly what I said. She was sent on a diplomatic mission to south of the >border to work with heads of state on reducing immigration to the US.

    She succeeded. Illegal immigration from the south is sharply down.


    Which is good. And I appreciate your admitting the problem is
    *illegal* immigration.

    "https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/"

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.


    She's screwing up her own campaign. She should be mentioning how her advice to
    Biden after her official Diplomatic Mission resulted in a sharp drop in illegal
    immigration.

    This would be a wise move on her part. I do wonder why she, or
    someone who is advising her campaign, hasn't gone this route.


    --
    Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

    Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 11 days.

    59) Trump repeatedly suggested he might serve more than
    two terms in violation of the Constitution. And continues
    to do so! (Trump: "We may have to go for an extra term."


    He can certainly WANT to serve more than two terms. He may be
    even legally permitted to campaign for a third term (I've not looked
    into the matter). But he won't be allowed to hold the office of
    President, so it would be pointless. So it's very probable Trump will
    try :)
    He is also free to lobby for a Constitutional Amendment
    permitting a third term. But it's a LONG process, so not too likely to
    be realized. Not during his lifetime at least. But his only guaranteed
    way to lose is to do nothing.

    60) Trump called Haiti and African nations "sh*thole countries."

    Africa is a continent. You should point that out as well.
    Something so basic as the difference between countries and continents
    is something a President really should know.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sat Oct 26 14:35:10 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:hasphj1760j0urirkhhf7h32jtuervdsnb@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:15:47 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:49:54 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>says...
    <snip>
    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    Like picking lettuce, emptying bedpans and scrubbing toilets.

    Unless, of course, you've been coveting one of those jobs for your
    kids.


    If any of my children wish to do any of those jobs, fine. It's
    honest work. And being in the nursing field, emptying bedpans and
    more, isn't too bad. The others aren't as glamorous, of course.

    A servant underclass has always underlaid every prosperous culture.

    Said class can exist with LEGAL immigrants.


    Where are the "legal immigrants" when
    the tough jobs have to be done?






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    http://tinyurl.com/npl7yys



    Crops Rot due to Lack of WorkersFarmers Talk of Immigration Reform
    9/25/12
    http://tinyurl.com/lcv53w2



    Farmers Face Labor Shortages
    09/26/13
    http://tinyurl.com/ogr7xam



    Shortage of migrant workers forces farmers to let some crops rot
    Aug 26, 2013
    http://tinyurl.com/n2qxnww

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sat Oct 26 14:45:19 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:fdsphj1dj44sbhqmqdoasnpciccbthiht6@4ax.com:



    I do find it interesting how Reagan was the Republican poster boy
    for so long, but is a bit of an embarrassment now.


    Reagan at least paid lip service to
    conservative values like fiscal conservatism
    and family values and defending democracy
    and standing up to Russia.

    Trump could care less about any of
    that, he just wants power.

    And his supporters want to give it
    to him.



    Donald Trump Supporters Excited About Him Becoming a Dictator
    Dec 13, 2023

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-dictator-supporters-day-one-biden- 1852021

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sat Oct 26 14:24:30 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:h5sphjhg7232bp7ruberp30h29dfvm2s43@ 4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:44:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 >>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs, you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 10:22:42 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2175F3B5B836629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:h5sphjhg7232bp7ruberp30h29dfvm2s43@ 4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:44:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753 >>$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671a51f4$1$14
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>, >>noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day >>one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better than
    nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs, you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?







    So support extorting them and you support slave labor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 10:23:32 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21762C2293BC629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:fdsphj1dj44sbhqmqdoasnpciccbthiht6@4ax.com:



    I do find it interesting how Reagan was the Republican poster boy
    for so long, but is a bit of an embarrassment now.


    Reagan at least paid lip service to
    conservative values like fiscal conservatism
    and family values and defending democracy
    and standing up to Russia.

    Trump could care less about any of
    that, he just wants power.

    And his supporters want to give it
    to him.



    Donald Trump Supporters Excited About Him Becoming a Dictator
    Dec 13, 2023

    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-dictator-supporters-day-one-biden- 1852021

    So much bullshit you post. Do you get paid?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Sat Oct 26 18:44:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671d1736$0$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2175F3B5B836629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:h5sphjhg7232bp7ruberp30h29dfvm2s43@ 4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:44:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills
    <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on
    day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better
    than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead
    of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs, you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?







    So support extorting them and you support slave labor.



    It will never be said that Kamala
    exported a single American job.



    Trumps "God Bless the USA" Bible? Made in China.
    OCTOBER 9, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/2vzktf29


    China's factories pull in the profits
    by making Trump merchandise
    Oct 1, 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/nha2prup


    Trump 2020 banners made in China during
    "Made in America" week
    July 27, 2018
    http://tinyurl.com/y9m3go4d


    Donald Trump suits and ties are made in China
    March 8, 2016
    http://tinyurl.com/jdlk8eu



    Donald Trump Once Again Blasted for Having
    Products Made in China
    August 11, 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3522ynfx


    Trump Is Selling New Merchandise Made in China
    Nov. 28, 2017
    https://tinyurl.com/232mru6f

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 12:48:04 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB2178B5F6AD27629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671d1736$0$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2175F3B5B836629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:h5sphjhg7232bp7ruberp30h29dfvm2s43@ 4ax.com:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:44:37 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671b9d7d$0$2753
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB215D0A7F6CD6629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671abb84$4$2761$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB2157F6F4FDB4629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
    news:671a51f4$1$14 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21550B5E6845629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:8b0khjhgodsq4urmbptof9g51rdc1pr22f@4ax.com:

    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:02:28 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:56:27 -0500, K Wills
    <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:03:05 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    It did almost zero to stop illegal immigration.


    And the alternative plan is....?

    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on
    day
    one
    because they were working.


    Trump policies.....like his wall?

    LOL!



    People are climbing over Trump's border
    wall with $5 ladders, report says
    Apr 22 2020

    So they couldn't just walk through?
    A wall isn't a perfect solution, but it's better
    than nothing.
    For the record, I don't know what the perfect solution
    would
    be.

    Assimilating them into the economy and culture instead
    of
    segregating
    them into their own foreign language communities?

    If they come here legally, yes.


    So just legalize them.
    Nope. If they cross anywhere besides a legal point they are
    breaking
    the
    law. Send them back.



    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs, you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?







    So support extorting them and you support slave labor.



    It will never be said that Kamala
    exported a single American job.

    and away he spins.



    Trump?s "God Bless the USA" Bible? Made in China.
    OCTOBER 9, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/2vzktf29


    China's factories pull in the profits
    by making Trump merchandise
    Oct 1, 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/nha2prup


    Trump 2020 banners made in China during
    "Made in America" week
    July 27, 2018
    http://tinyurl.com/y9m3go4d


    Donald Trump suits and ties are made in China
    March 8, 2016
    http://tinyurl.com/jdlk8eu



    Donald Trump Once Again Blasted for Having
    Products Made in China
    August 11, 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/3522ynfx


    Trump Is Selling New Merchandise Made in China
    Nov. 28, 2017
    https://tinyurl.com/232mru6f

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Oct 27 01:52:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:nl3rhjp1u7b4ehutsi20a19nkl4hujv1nm@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:16 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:


    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.

    That's not necessarily true. When GA passed a law to drive the
    illegal migrants out, farmers were unable to hire enough local workers
    even at twice minimum wage in counties with high unemployment.



    Even during the Bush Recession growers
    could not get Americans to do harvesting
    work, and had to fly in laborers - from
    Jamaica..........





    The fruits of our labor absurdity
    May 25, 2010

    There was a moment when they first started
    calling this the Great Recession, in 2008,
    that Steve Appel thought this might be the
    time.

    Americans might come back to working on the farm.

    "Its just common sense, with the depression and
    high unemployment and what not, that there ought
    to be local folks looking to come take some of
    these jobs," says Appel, 58, a wheat farmer in
    the Palouse in Eastern Washington.

    Nope. It hasnt happened. Farm jobs are going
    unfilled to such a degree that now a huge fruit
    orchard in Okanogan County, desperate for someone
    to pick cherries and apples this summer, has turned
    to flying in hundreds of workers from Jamaica.

    Thats right. From a Caribbean island more than
    3,000 miles away.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/the-fruits-of-our-labor-
    absurdity/
    http://tinyurl.com/nuqlfxu

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 06:14:08 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB217D3D555E02629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in news:nl3rhjp1u7b4ehutsi20a19nkl4hujv1nm@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:16 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:


    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But >>illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.

    That's not necessarily true. When GA passed a law to drive the
    illegal migrants out, farmers were unable to hire enough local workers
    even at twice minimum wage in counties with high unemployment.



    Even during the Bush Recession growers
    could not get Americans to do harvesting
    work, and had to fly in laborers - from
    Jamaica..........





    The fruits of our labor absurdity
    May 25, 2010

    There was a moment when they first started
    calling this the Great Recession, in 2008,
    that Steve Appel thought this might be the
    time.

    Americans might come back to working on the farm.

    "It?s just common sense, with the depression and
    high unemployment and what not, that there ought
    to be local folks looking to come take some of
    these jobs," says Appel, 58, a wheat farmer in
    the Palouse in Eastern Washington.

    Nope. It hasn?t happened. Farm jobs are going
    unfilled to such a degree that now a huge fruit
    orchard in Okanogan County, desperate for someone
    to pick cherries and apples this summer, has turned
    to flying in hundreds of workers from ? Jamaica.

    That?s right. From a Caribbean island more than
    3,000 miles away.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/the-fruits-of-our-labor-
    absurdity/
    http://tinyurl.com/nuqlfxu

    You hate this country don't you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From pothead@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Sun Oct 27 13:18:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 2024-10-27, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB217D3D555E02629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:nl3rhjp1u7b4ehutsi20a19nkl4hujv1nm@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:16 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:


    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.

    That's not necessarily true. When GA passed a law to drive the
    illegal migrants out, farmers were unable to hire enough local workers
    even at twice minimum wage in counties with high unemployment.



    Even during the Bush Recession growers
    could not get Americans to do harvesting
    work, and had to fly in laborers - from
    Jamaica..........





    The fruits of our labor absurdity
    May 25, 2010

    There was a moment when they first started
    calling this the Great Recession, in 2008,
    that Steve Appel thought this might be the
    time.

    Americans might come back to working on the farm.

    "It?s just common sense, with the depression and
    high unemployment and what not, that there ought
    to be local folks looking to come take some of
    these jobs," says Appel, 58, a wheat farmer in
    the Palouse in Eastern Washington.

    Nope. It hasn?t happened. Farm jobs are going
    unfilled to such a degree that now a huge fruit
    orchard in Okanogan County, desperate for someone
    to pick cherries and apples this summer, has turned
    to flying in hundreds of workers from ? Jamaica.

    That?s right. From a Caribbean island more than
    3,000 miles away.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/the-fruits-of-our-labor-
    absurdity/
    http://tinyurl.com/nuqlfxu

    You hate this country don't you?

    Most libbys do hate this country.
    Watch MSNBC Morning Joe for 10 minutes, and assuming you don't vomit,
    it's so obvious how much the left despises this country.


    --
    pothead

    See Kamala Harris best interview ever. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
    She really knocks this one out of the park.
    Don't you agree?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to pothead on Sun Oct 27 13:51:13 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vflei8$ejkt$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-27, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB217D3D555E02629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:nl3rhjp1u7b4ehutsi20a19nkl4hujv1nm@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:16 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:


    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.

    That's not necessarily true. When GA passed a law to drive the
    illegal migrants out, farmers were unable to hire enough local
    workers even at twice minimum wage in counties with high
    unemployment.



    Even during the Bush Recession growers
    could not get Americans to do harvesting
    work, and had to fly in laborers - from
    Jamaica..........





    The fruits of our labor absurdity
    May 25, 2010

    There was a moment when they first started
    calling this the Great Recession, in 2008,
    that Steve Appel thought this might be the
    time.

    Americans might come back to working on the farm.

    "It?s just common sense, with the depression and
    high unemployment and what not, that there ought
    to be local folks looking to come take some of
    these jobs," says Appel, 58, a wheat farmer in
    the Palouse in Eastern Washington.

    Nope. It hasn?t happened. Farm jobs are going
    unfilled to such a degree that now a huge fruit
    orchard in Okanogan County, desperate for someone
    to pick cherries and apples this summer, has turned
    to flying in hundreds of workers from ? Jamaica.

    That?s right. From a Caribbean island more than
    3,000 miles away.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/the-fruits-of-our-labor-
    absurdity/
    http://tinyurl.com/nuqlfxu

    You hate this country don't you?

    Most libbys do hate this country.



    Like all the libby Trump staffers warning
    America about the dangers of Trump.




    Former Trump officials are among the most vocal
    opponents of returning him to the White House
    April 5, 2024
    https://apnews.com/article/former-trump-officials-criticize-2024- e202861911ab37cadfcf058b5b163fb9



    "Unprecedented" and "stunning" number
    of Trump administration alums oppose his
    reelection
    Apr 12 20204 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/12/trumps- critics-former-white-house/73145245007/




    24 former Trump allies and aides who
    turned against him
    October 3, 2023 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what- matters/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 08:08:33 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21859977FCD629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
    news:vflei8$ejkt$6@dont-email.me:

    On 2024-10-27, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
    In article <XnsB217D3D555E02629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:nl3rhjp1u7b4ehutsi20a19nkl4hujv1nm@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:16 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:


    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.

    That's not necessarily true. When GA passed a law to drive the
    illegal migrants out, farmers were unable to hire enough local
    workers even at twice minimum wage in counties with high
    unemployment.



    Even during the Bush Recession growers
    could not get Americans to do harvesting
    work, and had to fly in laborers - from
    Jamaica..........





    The fruits of our labor absurdity
    May 25, 2010

    There was a moment when they first started
    calling this the Great Recession, in 2008,
    that Steve Appel thought this might be the
    time.

    Americans might come back to working on the farm.

    "It?s just common sense, with the depression and
    high unemployment and what not, that there ought
    to be local folks looking to come take some of
    these jobs," says Appel, 58, a wheat farmer in
    the Palouse in Eastern Washington.

    Nope. It hasn?t happened. Farm jobs are going
    unfilled to such a degree that now a huge fruit
    orchard in Okanogan County, desperate for someone
    to pick cherries and apples this summer, has turned
    to flying in hundreds of workers from ? Jamaica.

    That?s right. From a Caribbean island more than
    3,000 miles away.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/the-fruits-of-our-labor-
    absurdity/
    http://tinyurl.com/nuqlfxu

    You hate this country don't you?

    Most libbys do hate this country.



    Like all the libby Trump staffers warning
    America about the dangers of Trump.

    Look at you. He's kicking ass and you know it.




    Former Trump officials are among the most vocal
    opponents of returning him to the White House
    April 5, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/former-trump-officials-criticize-2024- e202861911ab37cadfcf058b5b163fb9



    "Unprecedented" and "stunning" number
    of Trump administration alums oppose his
    reelection
    Apr 12 20204 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/12/trumps- critics-former-white-house/73145245007/




    24 former Trump allies and aides who
    turned against him
    October 3, 2023 https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/03/politics/donald-trump-former-allies-what- matters/index.html

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 07:33:53 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:35:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >news:hasphj1760j0urirkhhf7h32jtuervdsnb@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:15:47 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:49:54 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>says...
    <snip>
    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    Like picking lettuce, emptying bedpans and scrubbing toilets.

    Unless, of course, you've been coveting one of those jobs for your
    kids.

    If any of my children wish to do any of those jobs, fine. It's
    honest work. And being in the nursing field, emptying bedpans and
    more, isn't too bad. The others aren't as glamorous, of course.

    A servant underclass has always underlaid every prosperous culture.

    Said class can exist with LEGAL immigrants.


    Where are the "legal immigrants" when

    Why is legal immigrants in scare quotes? Are you really so stupid
    you think they're fictional?

    the tough jobs have to be done?

    Probably doing the jobs. Or do you claim they are all so wealthy
    they just sit at home?

    [Snip attempted, and failed, avoidance.]

    Your use of avoidance has, again, failed.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 07:34:05 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:45:19 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >news:fdsphj1dj44sbhqmqdoasnpciccbthiht6@4ax.com:


    I do find it interesting how Reagan was the Republican poster boy
    for so long, but is a bit of an embarrassment now.


    Reagan at least paid lip service to
    conservative values like fiscal conservatism
    and family values and defending democracy
    and standing up to Russia.

    Trump could care less about any of
    that, he just wants power.

    And his supporters want to give it
    to him.

    I can't argue that.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sun Oct 27 07:35:36 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:47:06 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:29 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:26:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?


    Like feeding you?

    I can't speak for Skeeter, but I feed myself.

    You grow your own food and raise your own livestock?

    The question wasn't about farming, but feeding.
    If Mitchell wanted to know about farming, he would have asked.
    Unless he really is as stupid as he presents himself to be. Which, I
    admit, is possible. Not too likely, though.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sun Oct 27 07:36:38 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:50:03 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:42:05 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:15:47 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:49:54 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>says...
    <snip>
    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    Like picking lettuce, emptying bedpans and scrubbing toilets.

    Unless, of course, you've been coveting one of those jobs for your kids.

    If any of my children wish to do any of those jobs, fine. It's
    honest work. And being in the nursing field, emptying bedpans and
    more, isn't too bad. The others aren't as glamorous, of course.

    A servant underclass has always underlaid every prosperous culture.

    Said class can exist with LEGAL immigrants.

    It could if there were enough of them but there is not.

    Admission quotas don't allow enough in. They are also biased towards those >with education, money and/or marketable skills. That dirt wage underclass can't
    be served by current legals.

    Perhaps changing the number who can be allowed in would be a good
    answer. And making the wages less dirt level would help as well.
    But an increase in wages comes with its own issues. Something
    we're seeing far too well in L.A.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sun Oct 27 07:38:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:05:30 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:40:32 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    Assimilation into and contribution to American culture is both desirable and >>>required.


    If they're here legally.

    How is it better to NOT assimilate them if they're not legal?


    They've already proved they are willing to break the law. While
    not as bad as, say, murder, it's still an indication of their
    willingness to violate the law.

    Even things so simple as pot roast (England), with carrots, celery and onions
    (France) with mashed potatoes (Ireland), Christmas trees (from Germany via >>>England) and piatas (Mexico).

    Did these come from *illegal* aliens? I will enjoy reviewing the >>valid, verifiable evidence they did that you will offer.

    *double whoooooosh*


    So you were being deceptive. Got it.

    Answer A: Ask the indigenous tribes of the Americas.


    Because they came from England, France, Ireland, etc?
    There is genetic evidence that Native Americans came from Asia.
    But I don't think your deceptive comment is in regards to that.

    Answer B: The point is that America is a melting pot and we do a disservice to
    ourselves by restricting immigration so heavily. America is greater than the >sum of its parts.

    We're more like a salad. We do "assimilate" to American ideas,
    but we keep some of our previous culture. I still make homemade
    golabki and kopytka (though not as often as I once did), for example.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sun Oct 27 07:37:03 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:53:32 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:16 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:


    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.

    That's not necessarily true.

    Many legals will work real cheap as well. As such, your claim is technically true.

    When GA passed a law to drive the illegal migrants
    out, farmers were unable to hire enough local workers even at twice minimum wage
    in counties with high unemployment.

    Cite, please. You may be right, but I've learned to be skeptical
    with claims made on Usenet that I don't already know to be true.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Sun Oct 27 07:43:11 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:09:13 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:46:49 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:51:16 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Who is this "border czar," and when did it become an actual >>>>>>> position?
    The position was invented by right wing media after Biden sent Harris on a
    diplomatic mission to south of the border to work with heads of state on >>>>>> reducing immigration to the US.
    Ah... It's fictional. Now I understand.

    She was officially tasked by President Biden on March 24, 2021, to lead >>>>our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Trianglein stemming the >>>>movement ofmigration to our southern border.

    Exactly what I said. She was sent on a diplomatic mission to south of the >>>border to work with heads of state on reducing immigration to the US.

    She succeeded. Illegal immigration from the south is sharply down.

    Which is good. And I appreciate your admitting the problem is >>*illegal* immigration.
    "https://homeland.house.gov/2024/08/09/border-czar-kamala-harris-unburdened-herself-of-responsibility-to-secure-the-country-chairman-green-in-ny-post/"

    You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

    She's screwing up her own campaign. She should be mentioning how her advice to
    Biden after her official Diplomatic Mission resulted in a sharp drop in illegal
    immigration.

    This would be a wise move on her part. I do wonder why she, or
    someone who is advising her campaign, hasn't gone this route.

    Same things happened when Clinton ran. Democrats have a knack for snatching >defeat from the jaws of victory.

    I don't expect it this year. I anticipate Harris winning. Though
    I'm rooting for Chase Oliver.
    We'll all know next month.

    This isn't really relevant, and I'll understand if anyone snips
    it from any reply. But this discussion reminded me of a funny, to me,
    video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf6mI3hn3A

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sun Oct 27 18:30:59 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:npjshj9m0fu8qvatorb3b32kltbn2orbf0@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:35:10 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:hasphj1760j0urirkhhf7h32jtuervdsnb@4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:15:47 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:49:54 -0600, Skeeter >>>><skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB2168128E91D629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>says...
    <snip>
    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    Like picking lettuce, emptying bedpans and scrubbing toilets.

    Unless, of course, you've been coveting one of those jobs for your >>>>kids.

    If any of my children wish to do any of those jobs, fine. It's
    honest work. And being in the nursing field, emptying bedpans and
    more, isn't too bad. The others aren't as glamorous, of course.

    A servant underclass has always underlaid every prosperous culture.

    Said class can exist with LEGAL immigrants.


    Where are the "legal immigrants" when

    Why is legal immigrants in scare quotes? Are you really so stupid
    you think they're fictional?

    the tough jobs have to be done?

    Probably doing the jobs.



    Then why are growers and builders
    blaming immigration laws for their lack
    of workers?


    Our fruit is rotting in the trees as laborers are
    kept out of the country
    Aug 24 2018
    https://tinyurl.com/y4h8jn8a


    Farmers face fields of rotted crops as Trump
    rounds up illegal immigrants
    March 3, 2017
    https://tinyurl.com/yxejuyfa


    California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown
    Creates Farmworker Shortage
    August 8, 2017
    https://tinyurl.com/y234m73g


    Fruit, Vegetable Crops Rot While Trump-Led
    Immigration Backlash Idles Farm Lobby
    JUNE 6, 2016
    https://tinyurl.com/y3z7qy5t


    Farmers Can't Find Workers to Harvest Crops
    and Fruits and Vegetables Are Rotting in Fields
    March 2019
    https://tinyurl.com/y25mervk




    Or do you claim they are all so wealthy
    they just sit at home?



    Legal immigrants like Melania
    and Elon are hardly going to end
    up gutting chickens and picking
    lettuse.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sun Oct 27 18:34:59 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:2sjshjpvkg39d4olqj5o4k9ea6gpqgda64@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:47:06 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:29 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:26:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>wrote:

    [...]

    At $10,000 each.

    Who is going to pay that?

    You don't mind feeding and housing them.


    I don't mind seeing doing the tough
    jobs Americans don't want.

    Answer the question.


    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?


    Like feeding you?

    I can't speak for Skeeter, but I feed myself.

    You grow your own food and raise your own livestock?

    The question wasn't about farming, but feeding.


    You claimed you feed yourself.

    So explain how you do that without
    depending on the labor of others. DO you
    grow and harvest your own crops, do you
    raise and slaughter and process your own
    meat?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Sun Oct 27 18:18:45 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?




    Trumps Mar-a-Lago Club applies
    to hire 70 foreign workers
    July 20 2017
    http://tinyurl.com/y8kzhre7



    Mar-A-Lago Sought 380 Foreign Workers During
    Time Trump Had Access To Classified Documents
    Jum 14 2023
    https://tinyurl.com/4pxwm536



    Trumps Companies Hired 192 Foreign
    Workers Last Year As He Railed Against
    Immigrants
    January 17, 2019.
    https://tinyurl.com/tyft92pc

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 27 12:58:50 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Mon Oct 28 01:28:47 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:671e8d6c$1$2873014$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.


    You didn't ask a question.

    I asked two of them, and you
    ran away from both.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Mon Oct 28 01:51:09 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@
    4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage. In an attempt to divert from
    this truth he brought up Trump.
    Unless he's a Trump supporter, he's trying to bury the truth he
    revealed about himself.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 01:50:50 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 18:18:45 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ >4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?

    Low pay is my guess.

    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    Where is the cite for these phantom cushy jobs? If you've ever
    done restaurant work, you know it's not cushy. Such work isn't as bad
    as many others. But you can't be so stupid you would think it cushy.

    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    Avoidance noted.
    You clearly think avoidance benefits you. You make use of it so
    often.

    [Snip avoidance.]

    Please address the issues that have been raised. You are only
    managing to make yourself look more stupid than you already have.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Mon Oct 28 01:51:32 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:48:36 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 07:35:36 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:47:06 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:38:29 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:26:47 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>>>wrote:

    [...]

    <snip>
    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    Like raping and killing and taking over apartment buildings?

    Like feeding you?

    I can't speak for Skeeter, but I feed myself.

    You grow your own food and raise your own livestock?

    The question wasn't about farming, but feeding.

    You are incorrect. It was about food supply, feeding in the more general sense
    of providing food to eat.

    And with that lie, this discussion between us is over. You may
    have the last word, if you wish. Maybe lie and claim I couldn't
    counter your lies, so I ran away.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 28 13:02:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Mon Oct 28 13:01:29 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:42kuhjl6n6mma6iv6qcmrsmjhudpuib49f@ 4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 18:18:45 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@
    4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under
    the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?

    Low pay is my guess.

    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    Where is the cite for these phantom cushy jobs? If you've ever
    done restaurant work, you know it's not cushy. Such work isn't as bad
    as many others. But you can't be so stupid you would think it cushy.


    Restaurant work beats field work, and
    yes I have done both. There is a reason
    no Americans show up when growers advertise
    harvesting jobs.




    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    Avoidance noted.


    Do you think growers and constuction foremen
    WANT illiterate workers who can't even speak
    English? They hire them because those are the
    only people who want the jobs.

    You think the prevaling wages are too low?
    Tell us how much you think food and housing
    should be raised to pay for what you call a
    "living wage" for the work.

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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 07:37:59 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21951545E196629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    You support slave labor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 28 10:04:31 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote:
    INS is not exactly welcomed.

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Bill Flett/kami and a
    few dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 28 10:05:19 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote:
    Natives won't do these jobs

    robots

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Bill Flett/kami and a
    few dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
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    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 28 10:06:26 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote:
    They aren't scare quotes.

    You are vermin.

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Bill Flett/kami and a
    few dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Oct 28 10:07:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote:
    your bigotry runs deep

    You project.

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Bill Flett/kami and a
    few dozen other socks wrote:

    Multiple death threats against Trump: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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    highwinds-media.com!fx10.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
    From: Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.elections
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    Oh poor me I got shot at ...

    Swill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
    Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.nationalism.white,talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
    Subject: Re: AP Lies by Ommission About Identity of Invaders Charged with
    Rape, Murder of 12-Year-Old
    Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:35:52 -0700
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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
    prev | next
    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 01:47:35 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance. But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.
    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 29 13:02:58 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.


    US hunts more agriculture workers from Jamaica
    February 14, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3xfbm8bh


    Essential Jamaican workers keep local
    orchards humming
    AUG 6, 2020
    http://tinyurl.com/4mcrwzft





    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 08:00:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid >>>>> >>> under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living >>>>> > wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.


    US hunts more agriculture workers from Jamaica
    February 14, 2024
    https://tinyurl.com/3xfbm8bh


    Essential Jamaican workers keep local
    orchards humming
    AUG 6, 2020
    http://tinyurl.com/4mcrwzft





    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    You support low wages for immigrants. Bigot.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Tue Oct 29 12:01:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/29/2024 2:47 AM, K Wills wrote:
    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.

    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Wed Oct 30 01:56:59 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@
    4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid
    under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing. I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 01:55:56 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:02:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ >4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them.
    But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get paid >>>>>> >>> under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than living >>>>>> > wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?


    Asked and answered.
    Do you think this for of diversion will actually work? Well, you
    must, really. Why else would you use it?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted,

    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.

    no one is talking about
    "the dole".

    Would you prefer the term welfare? If there is a term you would
    rather use, let me know. The actual wording isn't as important as the
    concept.

    Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.

    Good for them.

    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Already addressed. Bringing up a matter you already lost isn't
    benefiting you. Honest.
    Note that these are LEGAL immigrants. This actually works to
    destroy your argument about illegal aliens.


    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    I requested you explain your motivation if it is not a desire to
    control migrants. Your inability to offer an alternative means I was
    spot on.
    You're a horrible person!

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 30 13:12:03 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:s2t3ijtj63ofd51m5371qabjo6ae6k4gfe@ 4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:02:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@
    4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. >>>>>>> >>> But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?


    Asked and answered.


    Still waiting.


    Do you think this for of diversion will actually work? Well, you
    must, really. Why else would you use it?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted,

    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.

    no one is talking about
    "the dole".

    Would you prefer the term welfare? If there is a term you would
    rather use, let me know. The actual wording isn't as important as the concept.


    What immigrants are coming here
    "for the dole"?



    Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.

    Good for them.

    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Already addressed. Bringing up a matter you already lost isn't benefiting you. Honest.
    Note that these are LEGAL immigrants. This actually works to
    destroy your argument about illegal aliens.


    Since you deleted the article without
    reading it you didn't see the part about
    Jamaicans being seasonal workers, NOT
    IMMIGRANTS.

    They are flown here by the growers,
    they do the work Americans refuse to do,
    then they are flown home again.





    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    I requested you explain your motivation


    ....because you cannot address the issue.



    if it is not a desire to
    control migrants. Your inability to offer an alternative means I was
    spot on.


    This is so typical of conservatives.
    When they cannot answer a question they
    launch personal attacks on the person
    asking.

    "Kamala's father was a Marxist!"

    "The judge is a Mexican!"

    "Blood coming from her whatever"

    "When did she chose to be black"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 07:55:07 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21B52F475FE7629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:s2t3ijtj63ofd51m5371qabjo6ae6k4gfe@ 4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 13:02:58 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@
    4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in >>>>news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com >>>>>>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do them. >>>>>>> >>> But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid
    under the table.


    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?


    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/



    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living
    wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor of >>>>> paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?


    Asked and answered.


    Still waiting.


    Do you think this for of diversion will actually work? Well, you
    must, really. Why else would you use it?



    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier
    to control that way.


    Evasion noted,

    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.

    no one is talking about
    "the dole".

    Would you prefer the term welfare? If there is a term you would
    rather use, let me know. The actual wording isn't as important as the concept.


    What immigrants are coming here
    "for the dole"?



    Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.

    Good for them.

    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Already addressed. Bringing up a matter you already lost isn't benefiting you. Honest.
    Note that these are LEGAL immigrants. This actually works to
    destroy your argument about illegal aliens.


    Since you deleted the article without
    reading it you didn't see the part about
    Jamaicans being seasonal workers, NOT
    IMMIGRANTS.

    They are flown here by the growers,
    they do the work Americans refuse to do,
    then they are flown home again.

    Legally.





    If control isn't the reason you want them on assistance, please
    explain what your motivation is.


    If you had a case to make you would not
    be changing the subject to what you think my
    motivations are.

    I requested you explain your motivation


    ....because you cannot address the issue.



    if it is not a desire to
    control migrants. Your inability to offer an alternative means I was
    spot on.


    This is so typical of conservatives.
    When they cannot answer a question they
    launch personal attacks on the person
    asking.

    Oh the irony.

    "Kamala's father was a Marxist!"

    "The judge is a Mexican!"

    "Blood coming from her whatever"

    "When did she chose to be black"














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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 30 13:25:43 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    Dang, you people are just incapable
    of dealing with facts.


    "The 100 Jamaican workers come over on the
    H2A work visas in April and most will stay
    until December, Owen Jarmoc said.

    Their accommodation is paid for, so they focus
    on the laborious work in the tobacco fields
    ----> until they return home <----- with more
    savings than they could earn on their island,
    according to multiple workers."

    https://money.yahoo.com/hundreds-jamaican-migrant-workers-arrive- 100000551.html


    I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.


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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 07:53:57 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com >>says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.

    Dang, you people are just incapable
    of dealing with facts.


    "The 100 Jamaican workers come over on the
    H2A work visas in April and most will stay
    until December, Owen Jarmoc said.

    Their accommodation is paid for, so they focus
    on the laborious work in the tobacco fields
    ----> until they return home <----- with more
    savings than they could earn on their island,
    according to multiple workers."

    https://money.yahoo.com/hundreds-jamaican-migrant-workers-arrive- 100000551.html


    I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.


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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Wed Oct 30 09:16:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/30/2024 2:56 AM, K Wills wrote:
    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to hells bells on Wed Oct 30 17:44:35 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote in news:vftik5$26psu$7@dont-
    email.me:

    On 10/30/2024 2:55 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Reversal. I've been waiting for you to make use of this means of
    diversion. I'm honestly surprised you waited so long.
    BTW, as with every means you've tried, you failed.
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26



    Ouch.

    Good call..........

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Wed Oct 30 17:42:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67223a36$4$2758 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to
    get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in
    favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.



    Trumps Mar-a-Lago Club applies
    to hire 70 foreign workers
    July 20 2017
    http://tinyurl.com/y8kzhre7



    Mar-A-Lago Sought 380 Foreign Workers
    Jum 14 2023
    https://tinyurl.com/4pxwm536



    Trumps Companies Hired 192 Foreign
    Workers Last Year As He Railed Against
    Immigrants
    January 17, 2019.
    https://tinyurl.com/tyft92pc






    Dang, you people are just incapable
    of dealing with facts.


    "The 100 Jamaican workers come over on the
    H2A work visas in April and most will stay
    until December, Owen Jarmoc said.

    Their accommodation is paid for, so they focus
    on the laborious work in the tobacco fields
    ----> until they return home <----- with more
    savings than they could earn on their island,
    according to multiple workers."

    https://money.yahoo.com/hundreds-jamaican-migrant-workers-arrive-
    100000551.html


    I wonder if Mitchell understand how he
    has undermined his initial position. Probably not.

    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.





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  • From Skeeter@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 30 13:02:52 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    In article <XnsB21B80B8CD786629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67223a36$4$2758 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to do
    them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing to
    get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortage/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less than
    living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in
    favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose they're
    easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.


    Fine, then use legal ones. Problem solved.

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    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Skeeter on Thu Oct 31 01:51:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:672282be$0$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B80B8CD786629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67223a36$4$2758
    $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

    In article <XnsB21B55456BA0E629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
    says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:75t3ij5olmv6rruiq29fdmemrknhcdl74k@4ax.com:

    On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:00:37 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21A5169DF3A2629555@185.151.15.190>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:g781ijl81qd3tdffkoi30gg54mqckl7hkr@ 4ax.com:

    On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:02:29 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:c3kuhj5fpkctl8qjqam3k17fa2g82eteq6@4ax.com:

    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:58:50 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    In article <XnsB21886F2BED49629555@185.151.15.160>,
    noemail@aol.com says...

    K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote in
    news:6pjshj5hphtno0f540a0l75tbn9fhcj8lr@ 4ax.com:

    On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 14:24:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman
    <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    [...]

    I just did. They don't come here
    for feeding and housing, they come here
    for JOBS.

    The jobs you won't do.

    If paid a reasonable wage, people would want to
    do them. But
    illegals will work real cheap. And some are willing
    to
    get
    paid under the table.

    Americans cannot even be lured to do
    cushy indoor jobs,

    Cite?

    Why Is There a Restaurant Labor Shortage?
    June 25, 2024
    https://www.keznerconsulting.com/restaurant-labor-shortag
    e/


    you really think they
    are going to work in shaughterhouses and
    pick crops and gut chickens?

    Yes. But I see you're in favor of paying a less
    than living wage
    to migrants.


    Is why Trump is hiring so many migrants,
    because he pays them less than a living wage?


    BUTWHATABOUT


    Answer the question.

    Actually, I made a factual statement. Mitchell is in
    favor
    of
    paying migrants less than a living wage.


    What do you consider to be a "living wage"
    for day labor jobs?

    Enough to actually live off without the need of
    assistance.


    And how much is that?

    Go get a job and find out.

    But
    you would rather all migrants be on the dole. I suppose
    they're easier to control that way.

    Evasion noted, no one is talking about
    "the dole". Growers put out a call for harvest
    workers, only migrants show up to do the work.
    Americans don't want to do the hard work, the
    growers have to fly in workers from JAMAICA.

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.


    Fine, then use legal ones. Problem solved.


    So we need more legal immigration.

    Who could oppose that?



    Trump Cuts Legal Immigrants By Half
    Jul 21, 2020

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal- immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/




    Trump restricted legal immigration
    May 13, 2024

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-restrictions-legal-immigration- second-term-rcna151994

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 01:57:55 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:42:00 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
    wrote:

    [...]

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.


    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.

    When, in reality, has this been in dispute? While for you the
    issue is immigrants in general, which tells the readers A LOT about
    you, the problem is ILLEGAL immigrants.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to skeeterweed@photonmail.com on Thu Oct 31 01:58:37 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:55:07 -0600, Skeeter
    <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    This is so typical of conservatives.
    When they cannot answer a question they
    launch personal attacks on the person
    asking.

    Oh the irony.

    I wonder if Mitchell realizes he's just admitted he's a
    conservative?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Thu Oct 31 01:59:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:04:50 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 09:16:37 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    On 10/30/2024 2:56 AM, K Wills wrote:
    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    You explain it.

    He's a troll I bested enough that he had to claim I am someone he
    knows I am not.
    Not that it matters. Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Thu Oct 31 10:34:48 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/31/2024 2:59 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    So you're not this Kent Bradley Wills of Iowa and later Arkansas?

    Do tell...

    What happened to Maureen?

    How's Ken Smith doing?

    No more Bob Larson fan group action?

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 1 01:56:51 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:34:48 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam>
    wrote:

    On 10/31/2024 2:59 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    So you're not this Kent Bradley Wills of Iowa and later Arkansas?

    Do tell...


    Avoidance noted.

    What happened to Maureen?


    She died.

    How's Ken Smith doing?


    I don't know.

    No more Bob Larson fan group action?

    He's a non-issue.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Fri Nov 1 01:57:36 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:55:58 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:57:55 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:42:00 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> >>wrote:

    [...]

    Legal migrants.

    I noted the same thing.


    No, you didn't.

    The Jamaicans are SEASONAL WORKERS,
    NOT MIGRANTS.

    They are still legal.

    No one said they weren't.

    Fact remains America depends on
    foreign labor to do the work Americans
    won't.

    Even Trump knows that.

    When, in reality, has this been in dispute? While for you the
    issue is immigrants in general, which tells the readers A LOT about
    you, the problem is ILLEGAL immigrants.

    No, actually, it's not.

    Yes, it is.

    It has been proven to you that Trump cut LEGAL
    immigration.

    Not in dispute.

    Further, the solution to ILLEGAL immigration is simple. Expand
    the quotas and lower educational and skills training to allow low skilled >workers to come here and build a better life with an expectation of a future.

    I agree. Have them be LEGAL.
    Your point?

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From K Wills@21:1/5 to governor.swill@gmail.com on Fri Nov 1 01:58:14 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:58:08 -0400, Governor Swill
    <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:59:00 -0700, K Wills <kw63@kw63.kw> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:04:50 -0400, Governor Swill >><governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 09:16:37 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote: >>>
    On 10/30/2024 2:56 AM, K Wills wrote:
    [Snip the rest as I have no comment.]
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

    You explain it.

    He's a troll I bested enough that he had to claim I am someone he >>knows I am not.
    Not that it matters. Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    My first thought on reading that document was, "How many people are there named,
    "Wills" who have an initial, "K", assuming that's your real name?"


    My real, legal name does start with K. You probably don't care
    enough to look, but my real, legal name was doxxed years ago in
    alt.conspiracy. Along with my having lived in the greater Los Angeles
    area since 1998.

    I guess he's still trying to troll you.

    I just wish I knew what I did to embarrass him so much. I don't
    think I'll ever know. I'll survive.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer,
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp counselor.

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Nov 1 09:00:09 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 11/1/2024 2:58 AM, K Wills wrote:
    I don't
    think I'll ever know. I'll survive.

    --
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to K Wills on Fri Nov 1 08:59:49 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 11/1/2024 2:58 AM, K Wills wrote:
    I happen to like things like maintained roads
    Please explain this:


    https://casetext.com/case/state-v-wills-26

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  • From hells bells@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Fri Nov 1 09:01:21 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    On 10/31/2024 1:59 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:34:48 -0600, hells bells <acdc@invalid.nospam> wrote:

    On 10/31/2024 2:59 AM, K Wills wrote:
    Even if I were Kent, it has no relevance to
    the discussion.

    So you're not this Kent Bradley Wills of Iowa and later Arkansas?

    Do tell...

    What happened to Maureen?

    How's Ken Smith doing?

    No more Bob Larson fan group action?

    You're either trolling on doxxing. Neither is acceptable.

    Welcome to Plonksville! Population, YOU!


    How many dozens of nyms are you running on any given day please?

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sat Nov 2 13:46:00 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics.trump
    XPost: alt.california, alt.politics.elections

    On 11/2/2024 12:02 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    Tariffs are a regressive tax. Regressive taxation hinders economic expansion.

    One f the greatest revenue generaters and economic success engines of
    this republic came from tariffs.

    RUDEY!

    https://prosperousamerica.org/economic-view-tariff-jumping-investment-the-success-of-the-2018-washing-machine-tariffs/


    Key Points
    The 2018-2023 washing machine tariffs led to a larger, more competitive U.S.-based residential washer industry, including the creation of over
    2,000 new jobs at two Korean-owned companies which opened U.S.
    manufacturing facilities in the southern U.S.
    Washing machine prices are now below pre-tariff levels, and prices have
    risen less than consumer inflation, demonstrating that after a six-month flurry, tariffs had little to no effect on washing machine prices.
    The success of the washing machine tariffs shows that “tariff-jumping investment,” i.e. inducing domestic industry growth via tariffs is a
    viable strategy for the U.S. in industries that have suffered decline.
    In January 2018, President Donald Trump imposed tariffs of 20% to 50% on
    large residential washing machines. The tariffs expired in February
    2023. Six years later, we can make an assessment: the tariffs created
    over 2,000 jobs and provided economic growth for the two communities
    where Korean appliance makers built factories. They also provided
    economic support for Whirlpool, the leading U.S.-headquartered appliance
    maker and employer of 23,000 Americans, as well as GE Appliances, which
    is today Chinese-owned and employs 16,000 Americans at Louisville,
    Kentucky and other facilities.

    Further, washing machine prices, which temporarily surged in the first
    half of 2018, came back to earth in 2019 and have continued to rise significantly less than inflation since. Tariff opponents in the media
    and the academic economist community continue to repeat the falsehood
    that tariffs raised washing machine prices when over any timeframe other
    than a few months, tariffs have had no visible impact on washing machine prices.

    In 2013, the Obama administration imposed tariffs on imported washing
    machines from South Korea. This led the Korean producers to shift
    production for the U.S. market to China, which led to another
    anti-dumping investigation by the U.S. International Trade Commission.
    That investigation published a finding in December 2016 that Chinese
    washing machines benefited from subsidies (“anti-dumping margins” in the formal lingo) of 44.28% and recommended duties at that level. The Trump administration, with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer as the
    driving force, decided instead to impose global duties or tariffs on all imported large residential washing machines, whatever their source. The
    duties, imposed in January 2018, started at 20% and once the quota of
    1.2 million imported washers was reached, rose to 50%.

    For years, the two large importers, Samsung and LG Electronics, had
    opposed any import restrictions. But once those tariffs were in place,
    the Korean manufacturers quickly changed their tune.

    In 2018, LG Electronics completed an investment of $360 million in a new “smart factory” in Clarksville, Tennessee. LG hired 700 employees and
    began building washing machines there. In April 2021, it announced that
    it had produced 1 million washing machines at Clarksville. It said it
    was investing a further $20.5 million and hiring 300 more employees, to
    bring its Clarksville headcount to “about 1,000.” In December 2022, LG announced three new model washing machines capitalizing on the trend
    towards energy-efficient and “smart” (i.e. Internet-enabled) appliances. Those new models are all to be made in Clarksville.

    Buck Dellinger, CEO of the Clarksville Industrial Development Board,
    told us that LG Electronics is one of a number of large companies that
    have chosen to build facilities in the Clarksville industrial park.
    Clarksville set up the industrial park 22 years ago to build up an
    industrial base to offer alternative employment in case the nearby Fort Campbell army base reduced its presence in the area. In the last five
    years, the industrial park has added 4,514 direct jobs, and a total of
    7,236 including indirect jobs, Dellinger said. Indirect jobs include
    suppliers to the companies in the industrial park, and service companies serving employees such as restaurants and convenience stores. In the ten
    years to 2022, Clarksville’s average salary grew 77%, as compared to the
    U.S. growth rate of 62%. With 177,000 residents, Clarksville is adding population at over 3% a year and is now Tennessee’s fifth largest city,
    right behind Chattanooga.

    “We’re ecstatic to have LG Electronics in the region,” said Buck Dellinger. “Advanced manufacturing helps to give us low unemployment, a
    high workforce participation rate, and a young workforce.” Dellinger
    recently returned from a trip to South Korea where he met with LG
    executives. “They are a very stable company, and take good care of their employees. They have enough land here to quadruple their operation and
    we hope they do.”

    It’s a similar story in Newberry, South Carolina, where Samsung built an appliance facility in 2018. In 2017, recognizing that the Trump
    administration was determined to clamp down on washer imports, Samsung announced plans to invest $350 million to build a manufacturing facility
    in Newberry, South Carolina with 1,000 employees. In 2020, Samsung
    invested an additional $120 million to expand the facility, which now
    employs 1,200.

    Newberry is a smaller, more rural and agricultural area than
    Clarksville. Located 40 miles northwest of Columbia, Newberry County’s population is just 38,000. Samsung is one of only two manufacturers in
    the county with more than 1,000 employees. The other is a food
    processing company. As a relatively high-tech appliance manufacturer
    that designs as well as manufactures products, Samsung has had a
    significant impact on business, jobs, and prosperity in Newberry County. According to a local news report last October, the “Samsung effect” in Newberry has contributed to investment in new housing developments, new restaurants and other new businesses in the area. The report quoted John Worthington, Executive Chef at local restaurant Figaro the Dining Room,
    who said: “with these bigger corporations like Samsung coming in,
    they’re bringing in good-paying jobs which makes the economy and the
    town better.” Figaro is currently advertising for employees.

    Consumer Prices
    The greatest myth about tariffs is that they lead directly to a
    one-for-one increase in consumer prices of the tariffed goods. The price
    effect of tariffs depends on the competitive dynamics of the industry
    that is tariffed, the weight of the level of imports in domestic
    consumption, and other variables. The U.S. International Trade
    Commission found in a detailed study published last year that across a
    range of industries, the various tariffs imposed by the Trump
    administration led to price increases in the domestic market for the
    tariffed goods worth between 10% and 20% of the headline rate of tariff.
    In other words, a 25% tariff would lead to U.S. price increases in the
    tariffed sector of between 2.5% to 5%. We summarized that study’s
    findings here.

    The market reactions to the 2018 tariffs on residential washers was
    typical of another trend often observed after tariff imposition. In
    early 2018, washing machine prices shot up as the market, fearing high
    prices and potential shortages, sought to build up inventories. Between
    January 2018, when the tariffs were imposed, and June, the Bureau of
    Labor Statistics’ price index for laundry equipment rose by 12.4%, a
    large jump. However in the next 14 months, the index tumbled by 10.7%,
    until it was at almost the same level (91.1) as it was in January 2018.
    In short, sanity returned to the market, and all participants, from the manufacturers to the distributors to the retailers, saw that the tariffs
    would have almost no effect on the U.S. retail price for washers.

    Table 1 tells the story. We look at three key price indicators, the
    consumer price index for laundry equipment, the index for new auto
    vehicles, and the broad consumer price index for all goods and services,
    known by its BLS acronym CPI-U. We compare the price changes between
    January 2018, the month when washer tariffs became effective, and two
    years later, January 2020, right before the Covid pandemic and shutdown
    began to impact prices and production.

    Over this two-year timeframe, the broad CPI rose by 4.1%, the new
    vehicle index inched up by just 0.2%…and the laundry equipment index
    fell by 2.1%! During this time, the residential washer industry (roughly
    half of total laundry equipment) had a tariff imposed on it of 20% to
    50%, while the new vehicle industry had no new tariffs imposed on it
    (Chinese vehicles did have new tariffs, but they were and are a trivial
    part of U.S. imports). Most imported new vehicles pay a tariff of 2.5%,
    except those from Canada and Mexico which come in duty-free. And yet,
    new vehicle prices rose more than laundry equipment prices!

    Table 1. Washing machine prices fell slightly in the two years after
    tariff imposition.

    Sector Price Index Jan 2018 Price Index Jan 2020 % change % change,
    annual rate
    Consumer Price Index (CPI-U) 247.867 257.971 4.1% 2.0%
    Consumer prices-laundry equipment 90.708 88.843 -2.1% -1.0%
    Consumer prices-new vehicles 146.996 147.253 0.2% 0.1%
    Notes: CPI-U is BLS code CUUR0000SA0; CPI-Laundry equipment is
    CUSR0000SS30021. New vehicles is CUUR0000SETA01.
    Clearly, tariffs play a minor role in price movements for laundry
    equipment, as for most other goods tariffed by the Trump administration. Tariffs do of course add to the cost of imported manufactured goods. But
    prices charged to consumers are determined by many factors and tariffs
    tend not to be high on the list. In an oligopolistic, branded-goods
    industry like residential washers, where there are only a handful of competitors in the mass market, hitting sales targets and increasing
    market share tend to be more important than short-term profitability. In
    other words, for a competitive company, be it domestic like Whirlpool,
    or imported like Bosch, or imported-transformed-into-domestic like
    Samsung, holding onto market share is often the most important corporate objective. Another critical objective is maintaining the loyalty of the
    vital channel to the consumer, which includes large retailers like Home
    Depot. Winning floor space at Home Depot, and maintaining consumer
    loyalty, can be badly disrupted by a sudden price increase, whether it
    can be blamed on tariffs or any external factor.

    In the long term, businesses must recover all their costs and tariffs,
    if permanent, can influence prices. But in the short to medium term,
    especially when there are numerous domestic competitors in the market, competition will often prevent companies from raising prices to recover
    tariff costs.

    In April 2019, two University of Chicago economists and one Federal
    Reserve economist published a study[1] on washing machine prices after
    the 2018 tariff which found that the tariffs caused an 11% increase in
    the price of washers, and, strangely, a similar increase in the price of
    dryers (which were not tariffed). Unsurprisingly, the authors chose a
    narrow period of pricing data to look at, specifically those months when
    washer price levels were at their highest. Here is their conclusion, in
    their own words: “…the price of washers jumps by around 11 percent in
    the period four to eight months following the application of these tariffs.”[2] The authors do not explain why they chose a “four to eight” month period to study. The obvious conclusion is that this is the period
    for which their regression equations generated the largest
    tariff-related price increase.

    The CPI for laundry equipment peaked at 102 in June 2018. By December
    2019, it was down to 89.3, slightly below the pre-tariff level of 90.7
    in January 2018. So the Flaaen, Hortacsu, Tintelnot article was
    effectively obsolete eight months after its April 2019 publication.

    That has not stopped the many tariff opponents in the mainstream media
    from citing the article as evidence that tariffs raised washer
    prices[3]. None of these media outlets has to our knowledge, revisited
    the topic to attempt to understand why washer prices fell so rapidly
    after their rise in the first half of 2018. On the contrary, they have continued to tell and re-tell the fiction of tariffs causing
    double-digit washer price rises. As recently as January 2024, the Wall
    Street Journal cited the Flaaen, Hortacsu, Tintelnot’s “11.5%” rise in washer prices in mid-2018 without noting that the number was obsolete by
    the end of 2019.

    Many readers will dismiss such studies and media coverage as simply
    further evidence of the anti-tariff bias of the academic economics
    community and the mainstream media. Yet for economists, I believe the
    problem is deeper than that. For at least half a century, U.S. academic economists have been focused on building crudely simplified models that
    can hold true across decades and across many industries, essentially by
    leaving out many important variables and making broad unrealistic
    assumptions. They then endeavor to “validate” those models with
    statistical analysis. This simplistic approach was largely pioneered by
    MIT economist Paul Samuelson, who christened such models “toy models.”
    The use of “toy models” and statistical analysis gives academic
    economics a bias towards simplistic, unrealistic conclusions based not
    on genuine knowledge of how industry works but instead on clever
    manipulation of statistics and data to prove seemingly generalized, but
    largely fictional, results.

    In 2020, economist and Nobel laureate George Akerlof published “Sins of Omission and the Practice of Economics”,[4] an article highly critical
    of the economics profession, arguing that most economists are too
    divorced from the real world. “Only 3 percent of economists thought it
    `very important’ for their success to `have a thorough knowledge of the economy’,”[5] he wrote, citing an earlier poll of economics graduate students. He said “Economics PhD. programs are trying to train students
    to become productive researchers, not to teach them about the
    economy.”[6] “Research” in this context means primarily statistical studies with powerful modern computers where almost any proposition can
    be validated by carefully selecting the variables and time periods that
    go into the analysis. Akerlof advocated an overhaul of the teaching of economics and the processes by which the most influential academic
    journals select and edit articles as steps to bring economics back to
    contact with the real world and understanding the forces driving our
    economy. So far, his critique has been largely ignored.

    Industrial economics is one area that has suffered badly from the rise
    of the “toy model” approach. Its heyday was the 1920s and the study of individual industries has declined consistently since then. Economists
    today generally know little of how industry really works and refuse to
    learn. Figure 1 below shows the evolution of prices for laundry
    equipment, new vehicles, and the broad CPI-U from 2016 to November 2023.
    It can be seen clearly that laundry equipment prices are much more
    volatile than the other two variables. The price volatility is likely
    related to the decisions of distributors to build or reduce inventory in response to ever-changing expectations of sales or product availability. Further the price rises that began in 2020 show that the Covid pandemic,
    by making it difficult and unpredictable to source parts or products
    from across the Pacific, unleashed much greater price increases than
    anything related to tariffs.

    Figure 1. Laundry equipment prices fell in the two years after tariffs
    were imposed, while the CPI and the price index for new vehicles both
    rose in that period.





    Tariff-Jumping Investment
    Finally, it should be noted that by incentivizing both LG Electronics
    and Samsung to open and then expand manufacturing facilities in the
    U.S., the U.S. achieved the best of both worlds: the tariffs led to the creation of more U.S.-based competitors, with more jobs, more
    competition, and more product innovation done here, while only a
    minority of washers purchased here were affected by tariffs.

    Economists in the developing world have a phrase for this phenomenon: tariff-jumping investments. For developing countries, with large
    domestic markets, high tariffs can be an effective means of
    incentivizing international companies to locate production within a
    country’s borders. Badri Narayanan, currently a Fellow and formerly the
    Head of Trade and Commerce at prime minister Narendra Modi’s policy
    planning think tank NITI Aayog, and an Affiliate Professor at Boston
    College, points out that high tariffs on automobiles, combined with low
    tariffs on auto parts and investment liberalization, has enabled India
    to build a large and successful domestic automotive industry that is
    truly global. In 2022, global auto trade association OICA figures show
    India built 5.46 million vehicles, ranking fourth in the world, ahead of Germany and South Korea.

    The same principle can apply to the U.S., which although not a
    developing country, has lost much of its industrial base. Today, the
    U.S. has a larger, more successful, and more competitive residential
    washer industry thanks to the tariffs.

    The goal of industrial policies like targeted tariffs should be to build domestic industries to create growth, investment, employment, and an
    upward trend in worker incomes. Of the two major domestic manufacturers, Whirlpool recently reported modest (1%-2%) growth in its domestic market
    and is exiting foreign markets. In recent reports it stressed to
    investors that its goal is to rein in costs to achieve 10% earnings
    margins. (As a subsidiary of a Chinese multinational, GE Appliance
    reports no financial figures, making it hard to judge its economic performance.) It would not be surprising if either of these companies
    reduced staffing levels in the coming years. But employment count is not
    the critical metric. It’s more critical to have enough companies and competition so the more successful companies are creating jobs even if
    others are losing, and the industry as a whole remains healthy. That has positive effects for the upstream and downstream industries that supply
    the appliance industry and for the economy as a whole.

    [1] Aaron Flaaen, Ali Hortacsu, Felix Tintelnot, The Production,
    Relocation, and Price Effects of US Trade Policy: The Case of Washing
    Machines, BFI Working Paper, Becker Friedman Institute, April 18, 2019, available here.
    [2] Ibid, pg. 18. Full text of the article is available here.
    [3] See Tankersley, Jim, Trump’s Washing Machine Tariffs Stung Consumers While Lifting Corporate Profits, New York Times, April 21, 2019 for an
    early example of such publicity. Article available here.
    [4] George A. Akerlof, Sins of Omission and the Practice of Economics,
    Journal of Economic Literature, 2020, 58(2), pgs. 405-418. Akerlof is
    the husband of Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.
    [5] Ibid, pg. 411.
    [6] Ibid, pg. 415.

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  • From Lil dwarf Rudey@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Mon Nov 4 11:38:22 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

    Governor Swill wrote:
    I guess he's still trying to troll you.

    No Rudence!

    Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
    Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks
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    Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

    Swill

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    No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
    thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
    is an important step to getting there.

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    That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
    18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
    U.S. Code
    Notes
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    (a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
    or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
    letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
    threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
    the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
    President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
    of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
    knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
    President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
    order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
    shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
    or both.
    (b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
    candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
    respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
    held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
    accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
    phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
    order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
    United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
    Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

    9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
    Service Protectees
    The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
    supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
    caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
    the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
    U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
    United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
    involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
    settlement involving a § 871 charge.


    https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

    PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
    for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
    Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
    counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
    and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

    The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
    living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
    to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
    November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
    statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
    U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
    crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
    series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

    Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
    Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
    up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
    of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
    five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release.

    A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
    criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
    presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
    guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
    case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
    handling the prosecution.


    Those can be reported here:

    https://tips.fbi.gov/home

    https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

    https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

    https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


    Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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  • From clams casino@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Nov 14 11:07:48 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for executive departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-orders

    Presidential Authority

    Under our system of government, the president’s authority to issue such orders (or to engage in any other form of unilateral executive action)
    must come from the Constitution or federal law. Put another way, an
    executive order can be used to execute a power the commander in chief
    already has. It can’t be used to give the presidency new powers.

    In particular, Article II of the Constitution assigns the president the
    roles of commander in chief, head of state, chief law enforcement
    officer, and head of the executive branch. The president has the sole constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” and is granted broad discretion over federal law enforcement decisions.

    “He has not only the power, but also the responsibility to see that the Constitution and laws are interpreted correctly,” Heritage Foundation
    scholar Todd Gaziano wrote in 2001.

    When the president lawfully exercises one of these responsibilities,
    scholars generally agree, the scope of his authority to issue executive
    orders and other directives is especially broad. As such, Congress has
    little ability to regulate or limit that authority.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to clams casino on Thu Nov 14 18:59:07 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    clams casino <cc@invalid.cc> wrote in news:vh5e9j$2u3k2$4@dont-email.me:

    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they- and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for executive departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents
    made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive- orders



    Trump think EO's are an abuse of authority....



    "The country wasn't based on executive orders.
    Right now, Obama goes around signing executive
    orders. He can't even get along with the Democrats,
    and he goes around signing all these executive
    orders. It's a basic disaster. You can't do it."
    Donald Trump, Feb 2016
    https://tinyurl.com/y22ha52a



    ......except when HE issues them.



    Trump outstripping Obama on pace of executive orders
    October 19, 2019

    WASHINGTON (AP) It wasnt too long ago that
    Donald Trump derided presidential executive
    orders as "power grabs" and a "basic disaster."

    Hes switched sides in a big way: In each year
    of his presidency, he has issued more executive
    orders than did former President Barack Obama
    during the same time span. He surpassed Obamas
    third-year total just recently.
    https://tinyurl.com/y9oxqywy

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  • From clams casino@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Thu Nov 14 12:33:08 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 11/14/2024 11:59 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
    clams casino <cc@invalid.cc> wrote in news:vh5e9j$2u3k2$4@dont-email.me:

    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-
    and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for executive >> departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents
    made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential
    proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-
    orders



    Trump think EO's are an abuse of authority....




    ......except when HE issues them.


    He's right, Obammy's were communism by fiat.

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to clams casino on Thu Nov 14 15:31:28 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    clams casino wrote:
    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one
    because they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-and-how-do-presidents-use-them


    Every President since George Washington has used the executive
    order power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for
    executive departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington,
    other Presidents made significant decisions via executive orders
    and presidential proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-orders


     Presidential Authority

    Under our system of government, the president’s authority to issue
    such orders (or to engage in any other form of unilateral
    executive action) must come from the Constitution or federal law.
    Put another way, an executive order can be used to execute a power
    the commander in chief already has. It can’t be used to give the
    presidency new powers.

    Federal law is the US Code. The US Code allows asylum requests
    which are then handled in due process.

    There is nothing in US Code to deny or even throttled asylum
    requests. idjt had been using a part of the Code, but courts ruled
    those conditions no longer exists so that part is no longer
    enforceable.

    Biden's EO is illegal and currently working its way through the
    courts.

    --
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  • From clams casino@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Nov 14 16:46:33 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 11/14/2024 4:31 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    clams casino wrote:
    On 10/21/2024 6:10 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    pothead wrote:
    Reinstate the Trump policies Joe Biden rescinded on day one because
    they were working.
    How many times must you be told this?

    And violate the US Code. You demand presidents act illegally.

    You are a serial liar:

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/executive-orders-101-what-are-they-and-how-do-presidents-use-them

    Every President since George Washington has used the executive order
    power in various ways. Washington’s first orders were for executive
    departments to prepare reports for his inspection, and a proclamation
    about the Thanksgiving holiday. After Washington, other Presidents
    made significant decisions via executive orders and presidential
    proclamations.

    https://www.heritage.org/political-process/heritage-explains/executive-orders

      Presidential Authority

    Under our system of government, the president’s authority to issue
    such orders (or to engage in any other form of unilateral executive
    action) must come from the Constitution or federal law. Put another
    way, an executive order can be used to execute a power the commander
    in chief already has. It can’t be used to give the presidency new powers.

    Federal law is the US Code.

    The US Code is not he Constitution.

    The US Code allows asylum requests which are
    then handled in due process.

    The Constitution controls - always:

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-6-2-2/ALDE_00013725/

    Amdt5.6.2.2 Exclusion of Aliens Seeking Entry into the United States
    Fifth Amendment:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
    crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
    cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
    actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
    subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
    limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
    against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
    without just compensation.

    According to the Supreme Court, aliens seeking initial entry into the
    United States have no constitutional rights regarding their applications
    for admission.1 The Court has reasoned that the government has the
    inherent, sovereign authority to admit or exclude aliens, and that
    aliens standing outside of the geographic boundaries of the United
    States have no vested right to be admitted into the country.2




    There is nothing in US Code to deny or even throttled asylum requests.

    You're a serial liar:

    Amdt5.6.2.2 Exclusion of Aliens Seeking Entry into the United States
    Fifth Amendment:

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
    crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
    cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
    actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
    subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
    limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
    against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
    due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
    without just compensation.

    According to the Supreme Court, aliens seeking initial entry into the
    United States have no constitutional rights regarding their applications
    for admission.1 The Court has reasoned that the government has the
    inherent, sovereign authority to admit or exclude aliens, and that
    aliens standing outside of the geographic boundaries of the United
    States have no vested right to be admitted into the country.2


    idjt had been using a part of the Code, but courts ruled those
    conditions no longer exists so that part is no longer enforceable.

    The SCOTUS controls all lower court rulings.

    Biden's EO is illegal and currently working its way through the courts.

    Xiden is irrelevant as of Juan-uary 20th.

    Heh.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Nov 14 16:59:30 2024
    XPost: alt.california, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.home.repair

    On 11/14/2024 4:31 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    There is nothing in US Code to deny or even throttled asylum requests.
    idjt had been using a part of the Code, but courts ruled those
    conditions no longer exists so that part is no longer enforceable.

    https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt5-6-2-2/ALDE_00013725/

    Amdt5.6.2.2 Exclusion of Aliens Seeking Entry into the United States

    According to the Supreme Court, aliens seeking initial entry into the
    United States have no constitutional rights regarding their applications
    for admission.1 The Court has reasoned that the government has the
    inherent, sovereign authority to admit or exclude aliens, and that
    aliens standing outside of the geographic boundaries of the United
    States have no vested right to be admitted into the country.2

    Thus, in its 1953 decision in Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel.
    Mezei, the Court held that the government could deny entry to an alien
    without a hearing, notwithstanding the alien’s temporary harborage on
    Ellis Island pending the government’s attempts to remove him from the
    United States.3 More recently, in Department of Homeland Security v. Thuraissigiam, the Court in 2020 rejected an alien’s constitutional
    challenge to a federal statute that limits judicial review of an
    expedited order of removal, reasoning that the alien—who was apprehended shortly after entering the United States unlawfully—could be considered
    to be an applicant for admission at the border.4 In short, for aliens
    seeking admission into the United States, the decision to permit or deny
    entry by an executive or administrative officer, acting within powers
    expressly conferred by Congress, is due process of law.5

    In certain cases, the exclusion of an alien has been seen to implicate
    the rights of U.S. citizens. In its 1972 decision in Kleindienst v.
    Mandel, for example the Supreme Court appeared to recognize that U.S. citizens’ First Amendment rights were affected by the denial of a nonimmigrant visa to a Marxist journalist who had been invited to speak
    in the United States by a group of university professors.6 In Mandel,
    however, the Court also recognized that because the plenary
    congressional power to make policies and rules for exclusion of aliens
    has long been firmly established, the Court would uphold, in the face of
    a constitutional challenge, an alien’s exclusion as long as there is a facially legitimate and bona fide reason for the decision.7 Thus, even
    when reviewing constitutional challenges brought by U.S. citizens, the
    Court has limited the scope of judicial review and adopted a highly
    deferential standard for reviewing the decision to exclude an alien.8

    U.S. citizens have also asserted that the exclusion of an alien has
    impinged upon their due process rights.9 In Kerry v. Din, five Justices
    in 2015 agreed that denying an immigrant visa to the husband of a U.S.
    citizen on the grounds that he was inadmissible under a provision of
    federal immigration law (pertaining to terrorist activities) did not
    violate the due process rights of the U.S. citizen spouse.10 These
    Justices differed in their reasoning, though. A three-Justice plurality
    held that the U.S. citizen spouse had no protected liberty interest
    under the Due Process Clause in her husband’s ability to come to the
    United States, and did not decide whether the government had established
    a facially legitimate and bona fide reason for excluding her husband.11
    A two-Justice concurrence did not reach the question of whether the U.S. citizen wife had asserted a protected liberty interest, but instead
    concluded that the consular officials’ citation of a particular
    statutory ground for inadmissibility as the basis for denying the visa application satisfied due process under Mandel, which requires only that
    the government state a facially legitimate and bona fide reason for the denial.12

    In Trump v. Hawaii, the Supreme Court in 2018 reaffirmed that there is
    limited judicial review of executive decisions to exclude aliens seeking admission from abroad.13 The Court rejected an Establishment Clause
    challenge brought by U.S. citizens and other challengers to a
    presidential proclamation that provided for the exclusion of specified categories of nonresident aliens from mostly Muslim-majority
    countries.14 The Court recognized that decisions concerning the
    admission or exclusion of aliens generally lie beyond the scope of
    judicial review, and are subject only to a highly constrained judicial
    inquiry when an exclusion allegedly burdens the constitutional rights of
    a U.S. citizen.15 The Court upheld the proclamation, ruling that it was rationally related to the stated government objective of protecting
    national security by excluding aliens from countries with deficient information-sharing practices.16

    In its 2024 decision in Dep’t of State v. Muñoz, the Supreme Court ruled that a U.S. citizen lacks a constitutionally protected liberty interest
    in her noncitizen spouse’s admission into the United States.17 Justice Barrett, writing for five members of the majority, explained that the
    Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause provides heightened protection
    against government interference with certain fundamental rights and
    liberty interests.18 Nonetheless, the Court determined that a U.S.
    citizen’s asserted right to have her noncitizen spouse admitted into the United States so that he could reside with her did not qualify as a
    fundamental liberty interest.19 In reversing the lower court’s judgment
    to the contrary, the Court concluded that such a right was not deeply
    rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition because the federal
    government had long exercised the sovereign power to set the terms
    governing the admission and exclusion of noncitizens without granting
    spouses a right to immigrate.20 Consequently, because the U.S. citizen
    lacked a fundamental liberty interest that would allow her to invoke an exception to the doctrine of consular nonreviewability, the State Department’s denial of her husband’s visa application was not subject to judicial review.21

    https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1911-8-usc-1325-unlawful-entry-failure-depart-fleeing-immigration

    1911. 8 U.S.C. 1325 -- Unlawful Entry, Failure To Depart, Fleeing
    Immigration Checkpoints, Marriage Fraud, Commercial Enterprise Fraud
    Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry
    into the United States by an alien, (2) entry into marriage for the
    purpose of evading immigration laws, and (3) establishing a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading immigration laws. The Illegal
    Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8
    U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.

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