• How the U.S. is planning a full-scale war with Russia

    From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 12 18:24:33 2022
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    https://socialistincanada.ca/how-the-u-s-is-planning-a-full-scale-war-with-russia/

    Essay by Victoria Nikiforova (columnist at RIA Novosti), Dec 12, 2022. (Translated and published into English here on A Socialist In Canada,
    Dec 12, 2022. The original in Russian is here. You can read the essay
    here in pdf format: The US is planning a full-scale war with Russia.
    Find more recent translations from Russian media further below.)

    The influential and well-informed U.S. publication Foreign Policy has
    recently revealed a curious conflict taking place between the Pentagon
    and the U.S. Congress. Officially, this conflict is denied by both
    sides; the squabbling takes place only on the sidelines. However,
    Foreign Policy spoke to high-ranking military officials and a number of legislators. On condition of anonymity, they tell a lot of interesting
    things.

    The Foreign Policy article is titled ‘U.S. plans for a hypothetical war against Russia are limiting aid to Ukraine amidst the real one’. It was published on December 9.

    It turns out that General Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
    Staff, is unhappy that Congress is sending too many weapons to Ukraine.
    Has the general decided to become a peacenik? Oh come on. No, Mark
    Milley is afraid that at such a pace, the Americans will exhaust their
    main stashes of weapons, which are otherwise stored for the sake of the ‘operational plans’ (OPLAN) of the U.S. Department of Defense.

    ‘Do you have a plan, General?’ ‘Why, yes, I have an entire OPLAN!’

    The operational plans of the Pentagon involve military aggression in
    almost all parts of the world. One of those plans is dedicated to a
    full-scale war by NATO (read – the American army) against Russia. Under
    it, there are specific standards for the storage of equipment, missiles, ammunition, etc. But now the warehouses are empty and the Department of
    Defense does not have time to replenish stocks.

    Members of the U.S. Congress, in turn, do not understand why bother
    stocking up in case of a future, big official war with Russia when
    Ukraine is actually fighting the same thing right now. In a fit of
    enthusiasm, the Congressional representatives are ready to empty all warehouses. “It’s already ten years old, this operational plan [war with Russia],” grumbles a Foreign Policy congressional source.

    The Pentagon believes that Ukraine is using up the ammunition sent too
    quickly, and this promises huge problems for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    during the coming winter. “We are worried about the too-rapid
    consumption of ammunition [in Ukraine)] says Jim Townsend, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia and NATO. “It will become even
    more difficult for us to supply them [the Ukrainians] if they think that
    we have big warehouses full of ammunition. That’s not the case at all.”

    Now, as Foreign Policy admits, Ukraine is simultaneously complaining
    about the lack of weapons and ammunition supply. Mark Milley is also complaining about the same thing. What can we say about the European
    allies in NATO – they swear by their mother that, in general, they have already distributed everything they have. So the partners, too, have a
    shortage of ammunition and weapons.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian fighters are not showing any success on the battlefield. All the inhumane quantities of missiles, shells and other ammunition are flying around like a shiny, pretty pennies in the sky,
    and 100,000 or more unfortunate lads have died. For what? Ukraine has
    lost vast territories with millions of inhabitants. What kind of result
    is that?

    Congresspeople, for the most part, do not understand where all this is
    leading. Miley sees, as a military man, that Ukraine is not coping. No
    matter how much money is poured into it, no matter how many weapons are shipped, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot fulfill the combat missions
    that Washington is setting before it. This means that the operational
    plan for the NATO war against Russia is not some old trump card that
    Milley puts on the table every year, seeking an increase in defense
    spending from Congress. It’s a completely real plan for a very real, big
    war.

    That is why officials in the Pentagon deny such a thing in every way
    possible. They deny any large-scale war plans until the time when they
    are ready to openly reveal them, that is, until the time when NATO and
    the United States are at war with Russia according to Washington’s
    timing. But behind the scenes, as we can see, the topic of a large-scale confrontation with our country is being worked out very actively. The
    funding is already being put in place—the most recent U.S. U.S. defense budget is almost 860 billion dollars, and most of that is dedicated to “containment of Russia”.

    New production facilities of the U.S. military-industrial complex are
    being launched. The Department of Defense is increasing the production
    of its 155-millimeter caliber artillery ammunition. By next spring,
    instead of the current 14,000 shells per month, 20,000 shells should be manufactured. By 2025, (note The Pentagon’s planning horizon) that will
    rise to 40,000 shells per month. The latest strategic bomber, the B-21
    Raider, has just been unveiled with much pomp and ceremony. By 2027, at
    least 149 of such ‘birds’ should be built, capable of delivering nuclear bombs to the other side of the planet.

    At the same time, the U.S. economy is being mobilized and rebuilt on a
    war footing. Shortly before the latest defense budget was passed on
    December 8 [by 350 votes to 80, CNN], the U.S. Senate gave to the
    Pentagon certain wartime purchasing powers. A senior Congressional aide
    told Defense News, “Whether you want to call it wartime contracting or emergency contracting, we can’t play around anymore. We can’t pussyfoot around with minimum-sustaining-rate buys of these munitions. It’s hard
    to think of something as high on everybody’s list as buying a ton of munitions for the next few years, for our operational plans against
    China and continuing to supply Ukraine.”

    [Read: War industry in U.S. is ‘celebrating Christmas early’ as House of Representatives passes $858 billion for military spending, by Brett
    Wilkins, Common Dreams, Dec 8, 2022.]

    Meanwhile, more and more new units of the American army are being
    transferred to Europe, and large-scale deliveries of weapons and
    equipment are being carried out there. The idea of ​​sending representatives of the U.S. Army to Ukraine is being openly discussed. Officially, military advisers will have to train the Ukrainian troops in handling valuable imported equipment. In reality, that is also to ensure
    that the equipment is not plundered on an industrial scale.

    The American military has been fighting in Ukraine for a long time and
    with might and main. It’s just that it is being done unofficially, as
    though it were soldiers of fortune from Texas and Oklahoma involved. All
    the frank escalation of the conflict, inexorably leading the world to a
    larger war, is accompanied by lulling speeches saying that Washington
    wants to avoid an open confrontation with Moscow. To be frank, it is
    simply not believable. The fig leaf called ‘Ukraine’ which was supposed
    to cover up Washington’s plans for war with Russia slipped a long time
    ago and is now gone.


    The Suwalki Corridor (map in Financial Times in 2018)

    It would be interesting to know what, exactly, is spelled out in Mark Milley’s ‘operational plan’ for the NATO war against Russia. However,
    the Pentagon does not share such information with anyone. Foreign Policy magazine mentions only one of the possible scenarios under this plan,
    according to which NATO could start hostilities against Russia in the
    Suwalki corridor, a 100 kilometer-wide zone on the borders of Poland and Lithuania that separates Belarus from the Kaliningrad region.

    However, the operational plan is more than ten years old. It is obsolete
    and is unlikely to be useful to anyone, especially after Russia’s
    special military operation commenced. But even without direct access to
    secret U.S. plans, it is clearly visible how U.S. strategy is directed
    towards a possible confrontation with Russia.

    Everything speaks for the fact that the matter will not be limited to
    one theatre in Ukraine. Washington is diligently seeking to drag Georgia
    and Moldova into the conflict, and it is stoking conflict in Armenia and Azerbaijan. It is active in Central Asia. Altogether, we see U.S.
    planning aiming at turning all the post-Soviet countries into future, anti-Russian fronts.

    This past summer, the defense ministers of Japan and South Korea took
    part in the NATO summit. These are the people being sought out to
    pressure Russia from the east. And let’s not forget about Finland and
    Sweden joining NATO, with regular reports about how American nuclear
    bombers may be deployed there.

    Then there is the Arctic. There, Russia is planning to develop rich
    mineral resources and to expand the use of the Northern Sea Route. All
    of this in itself is unacceptable to the West

    Most importantly to note, the shortest route for Russian nuclear
    missiles to America lies across the North Pole. Accordingly, NATO
    Secretary General Stoltenberg has openly declared that the military
    alliance should deepen and expand its presence in the Arctic.

    Altogether, the threat of attack by NATO forces or NATO-friendly forces
    can be expected practically along the entire perimeter of Russia. We
    remember the pictures from the history textbooks of the period of
    foreign intervention and civil war in Russia following the 1917
    Revolution. This lasted from 1918 to 1921 and was followed by an
    economic blockade that was only lifted due to the exigencies of World
    War Two. At the beginning, Germany occupied Ukraine, the Americans
    invaded the Far East and the British killed and tortured massive numbers
    of people in our North. That’s not to speak of the international
    occupying force gathered in Crimea. It, too, had to be kicked out.

    The fate of Ukraine and other post-Soviet lands in the event of a
    confrontation between Russia and NATO is obvious. It was vividly
    described by Carl von Clausewitz in his 1832 book On War. In it, he
    described the partitioning of Poland, under discussion for more than a
    century by the largest European powers. The country, he wrote, “had
    become like a public highway which foreign armies could use whenever and however they pleased”. But who would put a stop to that? “The European states were concerned about saving Poland, but they realized that it
    would simply be a waste of effort to try and protect what was a nearly inhospitable steppe [a flat, unforested grassland].

    The fate of Russia is in our hands. We have nowhere to retreat.

    Recently translated from Russian media and published on the World news’
    page of A Socialist In Canada:
    * Ukraine brings hunger and repression to Kherson, by Alena
    Zadorozhnaya, published in the Russian daily Vzglyad (Vz.ru), Dec 9,
    2022 (Translation to English by A Socialist In Canada; read it here in
    pdf format: Ukraine brings hunger and repression to Kherson. The
    original in Russian is here.)
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    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

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    fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

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    "Poor children can be just as smart as White children." -- Joe Biden

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.
    Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and
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  • From governor.swill@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 02:08:30 2022
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    On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 01:15:36 -0500, "26C.Z969" wrote:

    There are NO full-scale - or even half-ass scale - wars
    with Russia. Can't happen, NO winners anywhere anytime.

    If you think Putin is dangerous, the hints say it will
    be the ultra-nationalists who will replace him. Those
    are scary people.

    They're even scarier in Germany.

    "A Foiled Coup Attempt in Germany and the Danger of Conspiracy
    Theories" <https://www.lawfareblog.com/foiled-coup-attempt-germany-and-danger-conspiracy-theories>

    "On Dec. 7, news broke that the German police had uncovered and foiled
    an alleged coup attempt aimed at storming the German Bundestag and
    toppling the government. In a nationwide raid, 3,000 police officers
    searched more than 130 homes throughout Germany and made 25 arrests.
    At the heart of the plot was a somewhat ideologically diverse network
    of the hard right; Reichsbrger, a loose movement of citizens of the
    Reich who reject the legitimacy of the post-1945 German government;
    former members of the German special forces; and proponents of various conspiracy theories, including QAnon."

    "In a speech in 2019, [Heinrich XIII Prinz Reuss] blamed the
    Rothschild family for financing all wars and the revolutions that
    toppled monarchies. Coronavirus conspiracies fit easily into this
    toxic mixture, too: The alleged plotters were allegedly also looking
    for seers who would be able to determine whether people had received
    chip implants and are thus controlled by Bill Gates and the
    pharmaceutical industry."

    Swill
    --
    "We do not have any problems with soldiers leaving combat positions,"
    the Kremlin leader continued to falsely claim. "In a situation when
    there is shelling or bombs falling, all normal people cannot help but
    react to it, even on the physiological level. But after a certain
    adaptation period, our men fight brilliantly, running in the opposite
    direction to save themselves, usually leaving their equipment behind."
    - Mighty Wannabe's Owner

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  • From 26C.Z969@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 01:15:36 2022
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    There are NO full-scale - or even half-ass scale - wars
    with Russia. Can't happen, NO winners anywhere anytime.

    If you think Putin is dangerous, the hints say it will
    be the ultra-nationalists who will replace him. Those
    are scary people.

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  • From Hisler@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 09:58:26 2022
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    On 12/12/2022 11:15 PM, 26C.Z969 wrote:
    There are NO full-scale - or even half-ass scale - wars
    with Russia. Can't happen, NO winners anywhere anytime.

    If you think Putin is dangerous, the hints say it will
    be the ultra-nationalists who will replace him. Those
    are scary people.

    If that's true, NATO should stick to organizing Gay Pride Parades and
    let Banderastan fight its way out of the trouble they got into by
    ignoring their signing of the Minsk Accords. Zelenski won the
    presidential election based on honoring the Minsk Agreement, which he immediately forgot once elected. He's banned all opposition parties and
    shut down free speech along with the Orthodox Church. We should not be
    backing this clown.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2021-12-06/
    --
    "Build Back Better means Destroy More Quickly."

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    "We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter
    fraud organization in the history of American politics." -Joe Biden

    "C'mon man! If you didn't vote for me , you ain't black ." Joe Biden -

    "Poor children can be just as smart as White children." -- Joe Biden

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.
    Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and
    ignorance.” - George Orwell

    https://www.globalgulag.us

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  • From 26C.Z969@21:1/5 to Hisler on Tue Dec 13 20:51:23 2022
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    On 12/13/22 11:58 AM, Hisler wrote:
    On 12/12/2022 11:15 PM, 26C.Z969 wrote:
    There are NO full-scale - or even half-ass scale - wars
    with Russia. Can't happen, NO winners anywhere anytime.

    If you think Putin is dangerous, the hints say it will
    be the ultra-nationalists who will replace him. Those
    are scary people.

    If that's true, NATO should stick to organizing Gay Pride Parades and
    let Banderastan fight its way out of the trouble they got into by
    ignoring their signing of the Minsk Accords. Zelenski won the
    presidential election based on honoring the Minsk Agreement, which he immediately forgot once elected.  He's banned all opposition parties and shut down free speech along with the Orthodox Church.  We should not be backing this clown.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2021-12-06/


    Yea, yea - they just MADE those nice Russians bomb
    the shit out of their cities and burn and rape their
    way across the countryside ........

    Pick a side ... or maybe you have.

    In any event, CAN'T be an escalated war between
    NATO and Russia - not today, not tomorrow. If
    the ultra-nationalists replace Putin then it
    becomes even more imperative to speak softly.
    This is the world we made after '45 and we're
    just STUCK with it. It's gonna be proxies
    forever - and today Ukraine is that (willing)
    proxy. Nothing is gonna change for decades or
    maybe a century unless the aliens decide to
    colonize the Earth or something.

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  • From governor.swill@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 14 02:07:09 2022
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    On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 20:51:23 -0500, "26C.Z969" <26C.Z969@noaada.net>
    wrote:

    On 12/13/22 11:58 AM, Hisler wrote:
    On 12/12/2022 11:15 PM, 26C.Z969 wrote:
    There are NO full-scale - or even half-ass scale - wars
    with Russia. Can't happen, NO winners anywhere anytime.

    If you think Putin is dangerous, the hints say it will
    be the ultra-nationalists who will replace him. Those
    are scary people.

    If that's true, NATO should stick to organizing Gay Pride Parades and
    let Banderastan fight its way out of the trouble they got into by
    ignoring their signing of the Minsk Accords. Zelenski won the
    presidential election based on honoring the Minsk Agreement, which he
    immediately forgot once elected. He's banned all opposition parties and
    shut down free speech along with the Orthodox Church. We should not be
    backing this clown.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-are-minsk-agreements-ukraine-conflict-2021-12-06/

    The Russians aren't honoring it either. They've far exceeded any
    claim, however thin or dubious, to merely assist the east. I don't
    recall Kherson or Odessa or for that matter Crimea crying out to be
    liberated from Ukrainian oppression. Lol!

    Yea, yea - they just MADE those nice Russians bomb
    the shit out of their cities and burn and rape their
    way across the countryside ........

    Pick a side ... or maybe you have.

    In any event, CAN'T be an escalated war between
    NATO and Russia - not today, not tomorrow.

    I agree. I deeply fear an open war between Moscow and NATO. That
    would be shit or get off the pot time - India and China might have to
    take a position.

    If the ultra-nationalists replace Putin then it
    becomes even more imperative to speak softly.
    This is the world we made after '45 and we're
    just STUCK with it. It's gonna be proxies
    forever -

    Because of the A bomb.

    and today Ukraine is that (willing)
    proxy.

    God bless the troops and glory to the heroes.

    Nothing is gonna change for decades or
    maybe a century unless the aliens decide to
    colonize the Earth or something.

    The change will be faster than that. China will be calling some shots
    within twenty years.

    Technology drives change. How fast is our technology changing.

    Lastly, NATO is designed for defense and deterrence more than assault.

    Swill
    --
    "We do not have any problems with soldiers leaving combat positions,"
    the Kremlin leader continued to falsely claim. "In a situation when
    there is shelling or bombs falling, all normal people cannot help but
    react to it, even on the physiological level. But after a certain
    adaptation period, our men fight brilliantly, running in the opposite
    direction to save themselves, usually leaving their equipment behind."
    - Mighty Wannabe's Owner

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