• "Texas Study" inadvertently reveals why states are banning gas stoves a

    From Dr. Jade Helm@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 29 09:50:20 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are released
    into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of "forever chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells over the past decade.

    A new study by Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) shows that
    since at least 2013, oil and gas companies have used more than 21 tons
    -- or 43,000 pounds -- of a class of extremely toxic and persistent
    chemicals, known as per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), in
    hydraulic fracturing of oil and gas wells in Texas. Known for their
    toxicity at microscopic levels, their multiple negative health effects, including cancer, and their resistance to breaking down in the
    environment, PFAS are a highly dangerous class of chemicals nicknamed
    "forever chemicals."

    The analysis identified two types of "forever chemicals" used in Texas’
    oil and gas wells, PTFE/Teflon and fluoroalkyl alcohol substituted
    polyethylene glycol.

    The Texas Tribune reported that perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl
    substances were developed in the 1930s and first praised for their
    ability to prevent eggs from sticking to a pan, making rain roll off
    jackets, and it was added to fire-fighting foams to put out major blazes quicker.

    As research progressed, PFAS have been linked to birth defects, cancer
    and other serious diseases. Despite the chemicals’ ability to persist in water, soil and human blood, PFAS are still used in everything from
    waterproof camping gear to fast food containers, the Tribune reported.

    Barb Gottlieb, an author on the PSR study, told the Tribune that PFAS
    are used to reduce friction for drill bits as they move through the ground.

    Because PFAS can also go airborne if the substance is pumped into a well
    and that well is then flared or vented, which is common in Texas,
    Gottlieb explained people could absorb these "forever chemicals" through
    their lungs and some small molecules could pass into the bloodstream.
    The Tribune noted how in some areas of that state, like the Fort Worth
    region, homes, day cares and businesses are located within a few hundred
    feet of flaring gas wells. Research is limited in the effects of
    airborne PFAS.

    State Rep. Penny Morales Shaw, a Democrat representing Houston,
    introduced a bill on March 9 calling on the president of the University
    of Houston to designate a department or entity at the university to
    conduct, in collaboration with the Railroad Commission of Texas and the
    Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, a study on the use of
    perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals in the hydraulic fracturing process.

    The official, state-sponsored study would analyze the extent to which
    those forever chemicals are used in the fracking process, whether the
    public may be exposed to those chemicals through air or water, potential
    human health and environment risks, the feasibility of alternatives to
    be used in the fracking process and whether perfluoroalkyl and
    polyfluoroalkyl chemicals should be restricted from use in fracking in
    the state altogether.

    "PSR’s report highlighted shortcomings in disclosure standards and accountability, particularly up the chain regarding the manufacturing of chemical products that are used in fracking fluids," Morales Shaw said
    in a statement obtained by the Tribune.

    SR noted that Texas’s industry-friendly disclosure rules prevent the
    public from knowing how widely PFAS or other toxic chemicals have been
    used in fracking or other methods or stages of oil and gas drilling and extraction. Between 2013 and 2022, oil and gas companies injected more
    than 58,000 oil and gas wells in 183 of Texas’s 253 counties with at
    least one fracking chemical whose identity the companies withheld from
    the public through "trade secret" designations.

    The analysis found that during that same period, frackers used another 3 million tons of potentially toxic chemicals that remain unidentified.

    "Evidence that PFAS is being used in Texas’s oil and gas wells is
    alarming, and the scale of trade secret chemical use in the state is staggering," the report’s lead author, Dusty Horwitt, J.D., said in a statement. "Texas officials should act immediately to protect the public
    by prohibiting the use of PFAS in oil and gas extraction and requiring
    full disclosure of all chemicals used in oil and gas wells."
    --
    You voted for student loan forgiveness. You got demographic replacement
    and World War 3.

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    https://www.globalgulag.us

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  • From Dr. Jade Helm@21:1/5 to Dr. Jade Helm on Wed Mar 29 12:10:08 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 3/29/2023 9:50 AM, Dr. Jade Helm wrote:
    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are released
    into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of "forever chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells over the past decade.

    A new study by Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) shows that
    since at least 2013, oil and gas companies have used more than 21 tons
    -- or 43,000 pounds -- of a class of extremely toxic and persistent chemicals, known as per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), in
    hydraulic fracturing of oil and gas wells in Texas. Known for their
    toxicity at microscopic levels, their multiple negative health effects, including cancer, and their resistance to breaking down in the
    environment, PFAS are a highly dangerous class of chemicals nicknamed "forever chemicals."

    The analysis identified two types of "forever chemicals" used in Texas’
    oil and gas wells, PTFE/Teflon and fluoroalkyl alcohol substituted polyethylene glycol.

    The Texas Tribune reported that perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl
    substances were developed in the 1930s and first praised for their
    ability to prevent eggs from sticking to a pan, making rain roll off
    jackets, and it was added to fire-fighting foams to put out major blazes quicker.

    As research progressed, PFAS have been linked to birth defects, cancer
    and other serious diseases. Despite the chemicals’ ability to persist in water, soil and human blood, PFAS are still used in everything from waterproof camping gear to fast food containers, the Tribune reported.

    Barb Gottlieb, an author on the PSR study, told the Tribune that PFAS
    are used to reduce friction for drill bits as they move through the ground.

    Because PFAS can also go airborne if the substance is pumped into a well
    and that well is then flared or vented, which is common in Texas,
    Gottlieb explained people could absorb these "forever chemicals" through their lungs and some small molecules could pass into the bloodstream.
    The Tribune noted how in some areas of that state, like the Fort Worth region, homes, day cares and businesses are located within a few hundred
    feet of flaring gas wells. Research is limited in the effects of
    airborne PFAS.

    State Rep. Penny Morales Shaw, a Democrat representing Houston,
    introduced a bill on March 9 calling on the president of the University
    of Houston to designate a department or entity at the university to
    conduct, in collaboration with the Railroad Commission of Texas and the
    Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, a study on the use of perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals in the hydraulic fracturing process.

    The official, state-sponsored study would analyze the extent to which
    those forever chemicals are used in the fracking process, whether the
    public may be exposed to those chemicals through air or water, potential human health and environment risks, the feasibility of alternatives to
    be used in the fracking process and whether perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals should be restricted from use in fracking in
    the state altogether.

    "PSR’s report highlighted shortcomings in disclosure standards and accountability, particularly up the chain regarding the manufacturing of chemical products that are used in fracking fluids," Morales Shaw said
    in a statement obtained by the Tribune.

    SR noted that Texas’s industry-friendly disclosure rules prevent the
    public from knowing how widely PFAS or other toxic chemicals have been
    used in fracking or other methods or stages of oil and gas drilling and extraction. Between 2013 and 2022, oil and gas companies injected more
    than 58,000 oil and gas wells in 183 of Texas’s 253 counties with at
    least one fracking chemical whose identity the companies withheld from
    the public through "trade secret" designations.

    The analysis found that during that same period, frackers used another 3 million tons of potentially toxic chemicals that remain unidentified.

    "Evidence that PFAS is being used in Texas’s oil and gas wells is
    alarming, and the scale of trade secret chemical use in the state is staggering," the report’s lead author, Dusty Horwitt, J.D., said in a statement. "Texas officials should act immediately to protect the public
    by prohibiting the use of PFAS in oil and gas extraction and requiring
    full disclosure of all chemicals used in oil and gas wells."

    As an afterthought, perhaps the only profitable way to get rid of the
    toxic gas if it is banned in the USA is to throw ethics aside and sell
    it as LNG to the E.U. countries after blowing up the Nordstream 1 and 2 pipelines from Russia.

    --
    You voted for student loan forgiveness. You got demographic replacement
    and World War 3.

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to Dr. Jade Helm on Wed Mar 29 15:22:02 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 3/29/2023 2:10 PM, Dr. Jade Helm wrote:
    On 3/29/2023 9:50 AM, Dr. Jade Helm wrote:
    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are released
    into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of
    "forever chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells
    over the past decade.

    A new study by Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) shows that
    since at least 2013, oil and gas companies have used more than 21 tons
    -- or 43,000 pounds -- of a class of extremely toxic and persistent
    chemicals, known as per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), in
    hydraulic fracturing of oil and gas wells in Texas. Known for their
    toxicity at microscopic levels, their multiple negative health
    effects, including cancer, and their resistance to breaking down in
    the environment, PFAS are a highly dangerous class of chemicals
    nicknamed "forever chemicals."

    The analysis identified two types of "forever chemicals" used in
    Texas’ oil and gas wells, PTFE/Teflon and fluoroalkyl alcohol
    substituted polyethylene glycol.

    The Texas Tribune reported that perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl
    substances were developed in the 1930s and first praised for their
    ability to prevent eggs from sticking to a pan, making rain roll off
    jackets, and it was added to fire-fighting foams to put out major
    blazes quicker.

    As research progressed, PFAS have been linked to birth defects, cancer
    and other serious diseases. Despite the chemicals’ ability to persist
    in water, soil and human blood, PFAS are still used in everything from
    waterproof camping gear to fast food containers, the Tribune reported.

    Barb Gottlieb, an author on the PSR study, told the Tribune that PFAS
    are used to reduce friction for drill bits as they move through the
    ground.

    Because PFAS can also go airborne if the substance is pumped into a
    well and that well is then flared or vented, which is common in Texas,
    Gottlieb explained people could absorb these "forever chemicals"
    through their lungs and some small molecules could pass into the
    bloodstream. The Tribune noted how in some areas of that state, like
    the Fort Worth region, homes, day cares and businesses are located
    within a few hundred feet of flaring gas wells. Research is limited in
    the effects of airborne PFAS.

    State Rep. Penny Morales Shaw, a Democrat representing Houston,
    introduced a bill on March 9 calling on the president of the
    University of Houston to designate a department or entity at the
    university to conduct, in collaboration with the Railroad Commission
    of Texas and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, a study on
    the use of perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals in the
    hydraulic fracturing process.

    The official, state-sponsored study would analyze the extent to which
    those forever chemicals are used in the fracking process, whether the
    public may be exposed to those chemicals through air or water,
    potential human health and environment risks, the feasibility of
    alternatives to be used in the fracking process and whether
    perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals should be restricted from
    use in fracking in the state altogether.

    "PSR’s report highlighted shortcomings in disclosure standards and
    accountability, particularly up the chain regarding the manufacturing
    of chemical products that are used in fracking fluids," Morales Shaw
    said in a statement obtained by the Tribune.

    SR noted that Texas’s industry-friendly disclosure rules prevent the
    public from knowing how widely PFAS or other toxic chemicals have been
    used in fracking or other methods or stages of oil and gas drilling
    and extraction. Between 2013 and 2022, oil and gas companies injected
    more than 58,000 oil and gas wells in 183 of Texas’s 253 counties with
    at least one fracking chemical whose identity the companies withheld
    from the public through "trade secret" designations.

    The analysis found that during that same period, frackers used another
    3 million tons of potentially toxic chemicals that remain unidentified.

    "Evidence that PFAS is being used in Texas’s oil and gas wells is
    alarming, and the scale of trade secret chemical use in the state is
    staggering," the report’s lead author, Dusty Horwitt, J.D., said in a
    statement. "Texas officials should act immediately to protect the
    public by prohibiting the use of PFAS in oil and gas extraction and
    requiring full disclosure of all chemicals used in oil and gas wells."

    As an afterthought, perhaps the only profitable way to get rid of the
    toxic gas if it is banned in the USA is to throw ethics aside and sell
    it as LNG to the E.U. countries after blowing up the Nordstream 1 and 2 pipelines from Russia.


    The forever chemicals thing is way overblown as they are not that toxic.
    If pp trillion were in gas they would also be combusted.

    Might mention moronic government in PA way over reacted to a spill in
    the Delaware. No problem at all but has exhausted supply of bottled
    water even here in DE.

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  • From KWills@21:1/5 to hisler@nym.hush.com on Thu Mar 30 01:17:05 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:50:20 -0600, "Dr. Jade Helm"
    <hisler@nym.hush.com> wrote:

    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are released
    into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of "forever >chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells over the past >decade.

    [...]

    Are the forever chemicals hazardous? I honestly don't know.

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer.
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp activities director.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dr. Jade Helm@21:1/5 to Frank on Thu Mar 30 06:53:22 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 3/29/2023 1:22 PM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/29/2023 2:10 PM, Dr. Jade Helm wrote:
    On 3/29/2023 9:50 AM, Dr. Jade Helm wrote:
    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are
    released into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of
    "forever chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells
    over the past decade.

    A new study by Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) shows that
    since at least 2013, oil and gas companies have used more than 21
    tons -- or 43,000 pounds -- of a class of extremely toxic and
    persistent chemicals, known as per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances
    (PFAS), in hydraulic fracturing of oil and gas wells in Texas. Known
    for their toxicity at microscopic levels, their multiple negative
    health effects, including cancer, and their resistance to breaking
    down in the environment, PFAS are a highly dangerous class of
    chemicals nicknamed "forever chemicals."

    The analysis identified two types of "forever chemicals" used in
    Texas’ oil and gas wells, PTFE/Teflon and fluoroalkyl alcohol
    substituted polyethylene glycol.

    The Texas Tribune reported that perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl
    substances were developed in the 1930s and first praised for their
    ability to prevent eggs from sticking to a pan, making rain roll off
    jackets, and it was added to fire-fighting foams to put out major
    blazes quicker.

    As research progressed, PFAS have been linked to birth defects,
    cancer and other serious diseases. Despite the chemicals’ ability to
    persist in water, soil and human blood, PFAS are still used in
    everything from waterproof camping gear to fast food containers, the
    Tribune reported.

    Barb Gottlieb, an author on the PSR study, told the Tribune that PFAS
    are used to reduce friction for drill bits as they move through the
    ground.

    Because PFAS can also go airborne if the substance is pumped into a
    well and that well is then flared or vented, which is common in
    Texas, Gottlieb explained people could absorb these "forever
    chemicals" through their lungs and some small molecules could pass
    into the bloodstream. The Tribune noted how in some areas of that
    state, like the Fort Worth region, homes, day cares and businesses
    are located within a few hundred feet of flaring gas wells. Research
    is limited in the effects of airborne PFAS.

    State Rep. Penny Morales Shaw, a Democrat representing Houston,
    introduced a bill on March 9 calling on the president of the
    University of Houston to designate a department or entity at the
    university to conduct, in collaboration with the Railroad Commission
    of Texas and the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, a study
    on the use of perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals in the
    hydraulic fracturing process.

    The official, state-sponsored study would analyze the extent to which
    those forever chemicals are used in the fracking process, whether the
    public may be exposed to those chemicals through air or water,
    potential human health and environment risks, the feasibility of
    alternatives to be used in the fracking process and whether
    perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl chemicals should be restricted
    from use in fracking in the state altogether.

    "PSR’s report highlighted shortcomings in disclosure standards and
    accountability, particularly up the chain regarding the manufacturing
    of chemical products that are used in fracking fluids," Morales Shaw
    said in a statement obtained by the Tribune.

    SR noted that Texas’s industry-friendly disclosure rules prevent the
    public from knowing how widely PFAS or other toxic chemicals have
    been used in fracking or other methods or stages of oil and gas
    drilling and extraction. Between 2013 and 2022, oil and gas companies
    injected more than 58,000 oil and gas wells in 183 of Texas’s 253
    counties with at least one fracking chemical whose identity the
    companies withheld from the public through "trade secret" designations.

    The analysis found that during that same period, frackers used
    another 3 million tons of potentially toxic chemicals that remain
    unidentified.

    "Evidence that PFAS is being used in Texas’s oil and gas wells is
    alarming, and the scale of trade secret chemical use in the state is
    staggering," the report’s lead author, Dusty Horwitt, J.D., said in a
    statement. "Texas officials should act immediately to protect the
    public by prohibiting the use of PFAS in oil and gas extraction and
    requiring full disclosure of all chemicals used in oil and gas wells."

    As an afterthought, perhaps the only profitable way to get rid of the
    toxic gas if it is banned in the USA is to throw ethics aside and sell
    it as LNG to the E.U. countries after blowing up the Nordstream 1 and
    2 pipelines from Russia.


    The forever chemicals thing is way overblown as they are not that toxic.
     If pp trillion were in gas they would also be combusted.

    I recall reading an expose' in Mother Jones Magazine decades ago which
    revealed that PFAS were toxic and carcinogenic. You don't see Scotch
    Guard sold on the market anymore and fire departments at airports and
    military bases have found substitutes for PFAS since it was getting in
    the groundwater and drinking supplies and statistics showed a
    correlation to cancers and fertility problems related to the PFAS in
    people and animals. I assume that once the mainstream media (like MSN)
    gets around to reporting such dangers then it is too big a problem for
    them to lie about anymore.


    Might mention moronic government in PA way over reacted to a spill in
    the Delaware.  No problem at all but has exhausted supply of bottled
    water even here in DE.

    --
    You voted for student loan forgiveness. You got demographic replacement
    and World War 3.

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Dr. Jade Helm@21:1/5 to KWills on Thu Mar 30 06:47:25 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 3/30/2023 2:17 AM, KWills wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:50:20 -0600, "Dr. Jade Helm"
    <hisler@nym.hush.com> wrote:

    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are released
    into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of "forever
    chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells over the past
    decade.

    [...]

    Are the forever chemicals hazardous? I honestly don't know.


    According to the sources cited in the article, they are considered
    hazardous to human health.

    --
    You voted for student loan forgiveness. You got demographic replacement
    and World War 3.

    "Title 8, U.S.C. § 1324(a) defines several distinct offenses related to aliens. Subsection 1324(a)(1)(i)-(v) prohibits alien smuggling, domestic transportation of unauthorized aliens, concealing or harboring
    unauthorized aliens, encouraging or inducing unauthorized aliens to
    enter the United States, and engaging in a conspiracy or aiding and
    abetting any of the preceding acts. Subsection 1324(a)(2) prohibits
    bringing or attempting to bring unauthorized aliens to the United States
    in any manner whatsoever, even at a designated port of entry. Subsection 1324(a)(3)."

    https://www.globalgulag.us

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From KWills@21:1/5 to hisler@nym.hush.com on Fri Mar 31 01:21:35 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 06:47:25 -0600, "Dr. Jade Helm"
    <hisler@nym.hush.com> wrote:

    On 3/30/2023 2:17 AM, KWills wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:50:20 -0600, "Dr. Jade Helm"
    <hisler@nym.hush.com> wrote:

    Just as I had posted previously, toxic fracking chemicals are released
    into homes from gas stove burners, ovens and furnaces.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/texas-study-finds-thousands-of-pounds-of-forever-chemicals-have-been-injected-into-oil-and-gas-wells/ar-AA19bfYc

    A health advocacy non-profit study found thousands of pounds of "forever >>> chemicals" have been injected into Texas oil and gas wells over the past >>> decade.

    [...]

    Are the forever chemicals hazardous? I honestly don't know.

    According to the sources cited in the article, they are considered
    hazardous to human health.

    I probably should have read the article. :)

    --
    KWills
    Strategic Writer.
    Psychotronic World Dominator.
    And FEMA camp activities director.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to Dr. Jade Helm on Sun Apr 2 12:42:31 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 3/30/2023 8:53 AM, Dr. Jade Helm wrote:
    PFAS were toxic and carcinogenic

    Mother Jones is not a good source of this type information as they tend
    to exaggerate to their point of view.

    Much better off to go to government sources like this:

    https://dceg.cancer.gov/research/what-we-study/pfas

    I note that most studies are epidemiological with those exposed at high
    doses. Epi studies tend to have tremendous static and are always
    suspect with exceptions like cigarette smoke causing cancer.

    I know of a manufacturing plant that reported to the government that a
    chemical used may have caused brain cancer but the cancers were observed
    in workers not in direct contact with the chemical but people like plant
    guards and secretaries.

    I was also very familiar with the company lab that originally tested the company's chemicals before they went into production and this includes
    getting FDA approval for food contact.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Frank on Sun Apr 2 20:03:59 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:42:31 -0400, Frank wrote:

    I know of a manufacturing plant that reported to the government that a chemical used may have caused brain cancer but the cancers were observed
    in workers not in direct contact with the chemical but people like plant guards and secretaries.

    That might require further study. When I lived in the area Davidson Rubber produced urethane parts for the auto industry. If the plant workers
    developed sensitivity, probably to the tertiary amines used as catalysts,
    they were moved to non-production jobs. The place keeps on giving:

    https://www.nhpr.org/environment/2013-12-11/new-site-in-farmington- declared-eligible-for-superfund-cleanup

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Apr 2 16:36:47 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 4/2/23 16:03, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:42:31 -0400, Frank wrote:

    I know of a manufacturing plant that reported to the government that a
    chemical used may have caused brain cancer but the cancers were observed
    in workers not in direct contact with the chemical but people like plant
    guards and secretaries.
    That might require further study. When I lived in the area Davidson Rubber produced urethane parts for the auto industry. If the plant workers
    developed sensitivity, probably to the tertiary amines used as catalysts, they were moved to non-production jobs. The place keeps on giving:

    https://www.nhpr.org/environment/2013-12-11/new-site-in-farmington- declared-eligible-for-superfund-cleanup

    What is the alternative to plastic?

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Apr 2 19:29:15 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On 4/2/2023 4:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:42:31 -0400, Frank wrote:

    I know of a manufacturing plant that reported to the government that a
    chemical used may have caused brain cancer but the cancers were observed
    in workers not in direct contact with the chemical but people like plant
    guards and secretaries.

    That might require further study. When I lived in the area Davidson Rubber produced urethane parts for the auto industry. If the plant workers
    developed sensitivity, probably to the tertiary amines used as catalysts, they were moved to non-production jobs. The place keeps on giving:

    https://www.nhpr.org/environment/2013-12-11/new-site-in-farmington- declared-eligible-for-superfund-cleanup


    I would think isocyanates more of a culprit.

    Some people are hypersensitive to certain chemicals even below
    permissible worker exposure levels.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Nic on Mon Apr 3 03:04:03 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:36:47 -0400, Nic wrote:

    On 4/2/23 16:03, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:42:31 -0400, Frank wrote:

    I know of a manufacturing plant that reported to the government that a
    chemical used may have caused brain cancer but the cancers were
    observed in workers not in direct contact with the chemical but people
    like plant guards and secretaries.
    That might require further study. When I lived in the area Davidson
    Rubber produced urethane parts for the auto industry. If the plant
    workers developed sensitivity, probably to the tertiary amines used as
    catalysts, they were moved to non-production jobs. The place keeps on
    giving:

    https://www.nhpr.org/environment/2013-12-11/new-site-in-farmington-
    declared-eligible-for-superfund-cleanup

    What is the alternative to plastic?

    Today? There is no alternative.

    https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Soybean_car

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Frank on Mon Apr 3 03:21:40 2023
    XPost: alt.survival, misc.survivalism

    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 19:29:15 -0400, Frank wrote:

    On 4/2/2023 4:03 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 12:42:31 -0400, Frank wrote:

    I know of a manufacturing plant that reported to the government that a
    chemical used may have caused brain cancer but the cancers were
    observed in workers not in direct contact with the chemical but people
    like plant guards and secretaries.

    That might require further study. When I lived in the area Davidson
    Rubber produced urethane parts for the auto industry. If the plant
    workers developed sensitivity, probably to the tertiary amines used as
    catalysts, they were moved to non-production jobs. The place keeps on
    giving:

    https://www.nhpr.org/environment/2013-12-11/new-site-in-farmington-
    declared-eligible-for-superfund-cleanup


    I would think isocyanates more of a culprit.

    Some people are hypersensitive to certain chemicals even below
    permissible worker exposure levels.

    None of it was hand cream. We setup a turnkey melamine dinnerware
    operation for Fingerhut in the early '70s. There was a mezzanine above the preheaters and presses where the material was stored and loaded into
    hoppers that got pretty ripe.

    We designed a ventilation system to get rid of the fumes but the bean
    counters balked at the cost. When Manny Fingerhut visited for a progress
    check we made sure the guided tour included a long walk through the
    mezzanine. The ventilators got approved.

    I don't know what long term exposure did for the workers but I didn't like melamine at all. Most of our molding systems were for phenolic resins.
    They smelled like perfume compared to melamine.

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