https://www.fidonet.org/
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++ http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
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On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
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Sorry, could you elaborate?
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
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Sorry, could you elaborate?
I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
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Sorry, could you elaborate?
I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly Russian) but nothing much else.
On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
-
telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
-
Sorry, could you elaborate?
I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly Russian) but nothing much else.
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
-
Sorry, could you elaborate?
I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
On 27/03/2024 15:50 candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
D <nospam@example.net> wrote at 09:14 this Wednesday (GMT):
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
-
telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
-
Sorry, could you elaborate?
I think they're pointing out how fidonet has a usenet gateway?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom
How does that work? I see a couple of "fidonet" Usenet groups (mostly Russian) but nothing much else.
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:14:05 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2024, floffy@gallaxial.com wrote:
https://www.fidonet.org/
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++
http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
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Sorry, could you elaborate?
info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet
https://handwiki.org/wiki/FidoNet https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/163381.163383
https://www.fidonet.org/genlinfo.html
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telnet://gallaxial.com BBS
irc://gallaxial.com IRC With Service
http://gallaxial.com:33333 Old Fashon torrent Tracker
ftp://gallaxial.com FTP server fidonet files +++ http://gallaxial.com:88 Web-FTP
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I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the
90s.
I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
exists.
D wrote:
I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the
90s.
I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
exists.
FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Steve Bonine wrote:
D wrote:
I know what Fidonet is, and I even ran my own BBS connected to it in the >> 90s.
I thought it was something more than just a message asserting that it
exists.
FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than Usenet.
On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more
freely in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that the dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not monitoring the phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet news travels over
the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone with a modem manages
to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)
In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
than usenet?
It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more
freely in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that
the dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not
monitoring the phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet
news travels over the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone
with a modem manages to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)
In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
than usenet?
D wrote:
[...]
FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
On 3/28/24 12:49, D wrote:
It is an interesting design, and I often wonder if news travels more freely >> in and out of russia and china through fidonet? I imagine that the
dictators there and their technical minions are perhaps not monitoring the >> phone systems. Granted, I would expect that all fidonet news travels over
the internet today, but imagine the irony if someone with a modem manages
to freely ship stuff in/out of those countries! =)
I naively suspect that dictator regimes are more concerned with the volume of information flow / number of people that interface with it. With that in mind, I suspect that both FidoNet, Usenet, and other networks are probably a pittance compared to more mainstream media.
You can't ever truly shut everything off. You can only slow the flow significantly.
In terms of governance, am I right in assuming fido is way more complex
than usenet?
I don't know what sort of governance various area / regional / national coordinators have over FidoNet any more.
If memory serves, it was possible to add points without contacting any coordinator as they were subtended off of a node.
I think nodes required minimal coordination with the area coordinator mostly so that they could update the list.
I don't know what is technically required to function vs what should be done by accepted convention.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
D wrote:
[...]
FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.
DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
in the 90s.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
D wrote:
[...]
FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.
DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
in the 90s.
Interesting! Never heard of DoveNet and FSXNet. Could you provide me with some links?
True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but
given human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.
My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but
I think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register
at the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level
above them and so on.
In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off
I go"?
On 3/29/24 05:24, D wrote:
True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered
internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but given >> human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.
This doesn't surprise me.
My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but I
think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register at
the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level above
them and so on.
ACK
In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off I >> go"?
Largely, yes.
Other servers can filter posts from your server(s). But that's the case independent of the number of peers you have.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:25:28 +0100, D wrote:
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Borax Man wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:30:57 -0500
Steve Bonine <spb@pobox.com> wrote:
D wrote:
[...]
FidoNet is a bit further down the road to complete disappearance than
Usenet. On the other hand, neither will ever go away completely.
I did use it a little bit a few years ago when I tried some BBS's again, but there is very little activity.
DoveNet and FSXNet see daily activity. I had always wondered what
FidoNet actually was as a teenager with a modem, but I figured it was
for adults with money and credit cards so never really looked into it
in the 90s.
Interesting! Never heard of DoveNet and FSXNet. Could you provide me with
some links?
Dovenet:
http://wiki.synchro.net/network:dove-net
View some Dovenet groups:
https://www.rocksolidbbs.com/dovenet/
FSXNet:
https://fsxnet.nz/
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, Grant Taylor wrote:
On 3/29/24 05:24, D wrote:
True. I've heard that there is a black market in china for unfiltered
internet connections. Don't know if it is true and how big it is, but given >>> human nature I would definitely not be surprised if it was true.
This doesn't surprise me.
My memory is very shaky, since we're walking at least 25 years ago, but I >>> think there were several levels of governance, so you had to register at >>> the one closest to you, and they then had to reach out to the level above >>> them and so on.
ACK
In terms of usenet, isn't it just that I need to find one peer, and "off I >>> go"?
Largely, yes.
Other servers can filter posts from your server(s). But that's the case
independent of the number of peers you have.
After a few months of using usenet I have to say that I find it great.
Very little spam with a few rules in my filter software.
I think usenet is in for a renaissance!
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:34:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I think usenet is in for a renaissance!
On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:34:16 +0100, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I think usenet is in for a renaissance!
Are you aware of Gopher and Gemini?
https://hackaday.com/2021/09/28/gopher-the-competing-standard-to-www-in-the-90s-is-still-worth-checking-out/
https://techhq.com/2022/07/gemini-protocol-cybersecurity-websites-platform/
https://geminiquickst.art/
Lagrange is a fab browser for Gemini and Gopher: https://git.skyjake.fi/gemini/lagrange/releases
I've got a 16 bit gopher client for win 3.1 from 1993 that I still use
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and
move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is >probably more content.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and >>move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is >>probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate speech.
I don't trust tor because too many agencies with almost unlimited
funds have been trying to deannonomise it for years. I like IPFS, and
I love i2p. Freenet never spoke to me.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and
move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is >> probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate speech.
I don't trust tor because too many agencies with almost unlimited
funds have been trying to deannonomise it for years. I like IPFS, and
I love i2p. Freenet never spoke to me.
El Kabong wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and
move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is >>> probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet
connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate
speech.
Sometimes I don't realize what issues some go through just to express their opinions. It's pretty sad that people need to consider anonymization just to use Usenet, but it may be necessary for some speech.
I don't trust tor because too many agencies with almost unlimited
funds have been trying to deannonomise it for years. I like IPFS, and
I love i2p. Freenet never spoke to me.
http://rslight.i2p/computers/thread.php?group=alt.fan.usenet
Freenet seems more of a club obsessed with anti-spam over anonymity. At least FMS seems that way.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, Retro Guy wrote:
El Kabong wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and >>>> move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is >>>> probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet
connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate
speech.
Sometimes I don't realize what issues some go through just to express their >> opinions. It's pretty sad that people need to consider anonymization just to >> use Usenet, but it may be necessary for some speech.
I don't trust tor because too many agencies with almost unlimited
funds have been trying to deannonomise it for years. I like IPFS, and
I love i2p. Freenet never spoke to me.
http://rslight.i2p/computers/thread.php?group=alt.fan.usenet
Freenet seems more of a club obsessed with anti-spam over anonymity. At least
FMS seems that way.
Speaking of i2p, I tried to use it 2 or 3 times in the past, but it was always so painfully slow, even after hours and hours of staying online.
Has that changed?
El Kabong wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and
move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer
is probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet
connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate
speech.
Sometimes I don't realize what issues some go through just to express
their opinions. It's pretty sad that people need to consider anonymization just to use Usenet, but it may be necessary for some speech.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:51:52 +0200, D wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024, Retro Guy wrote:
El Kabong wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and >>>>> move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer is
probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet
connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate >>>> speech.
Sometimes I don't realize what issues some go through just to express their >>> opinions. It's pretty sad that people need to consider anonymization just to
use Usenet, but it may be necessary for some speech.
I don't trust tor because too many agencies with almost unlimited
funds have been trying to deannonomise it for years. I like IPFS, and
I love i2p. Freenet never spoke to me.
http://rslight.i2p/computers/thread.php?group=alt.fan.usenet
Freenet seems more of a club obsessed with anti-spam over anonymity. At least
FMS seems that way.
Speaking of i2p, I tried to use it 2 or 3 times in the past, but it was
always so painfully slow, even after hours and hours of staying online.
Has that changed?
i2p seems to have improved a bit. Still it's common to find eepsites not
load at all, but it's much better than in the past.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:36:29 +0000, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
Freenet seems more of a club obsessed with anti-spam over anonymity. At least FMS seems that way.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate speech.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:36:29 +0000, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote:
Freenet seems more of a club obsessed with anti-spam over anonymity. At least FMS seems that way.
The only thing I like about Freenet is that on FMS there's a section
named "Humor" that has the best politically incorrect memes on the
internet. I mean, it's to die for.
I've been following your Rocksolid hierarchy and it's positively noble
that you'd do all that work to help people get informed and to
communicate and just give it away. It's good to know not everyone is a
greedy selfish bastard.
I wasn't aware of i2pn2.org but I saw it in somebody's headers and checked it out. That's pretty cool too.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 13:01:36 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is Freenet called Hyphanet now?
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:51:03 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I think tor is fine
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 13:36:29 +0000, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> wrote
in Message-ID: <3be50976a793095c63727f7f6121e516@www.novabbs.org>:
El Kabong wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 11:31:01 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
What I think about is what I'd need to drop the internet completely and >>>> move over to gopher except banking and shopping, and I think the answer >>>> is probably more content.
I do banking/shopping with Whonix on a Kicksecure host.
It didn't start out that way, but smart phones and a regular internet
connection have become a way to spy on people; and not just
advertising. In England if you complain online about the immigration
policy the cops come to your house and threaten to arrest you for hate
speech.
Sometimes I don't realize what issues some go through just to express
their opinions. It's pretty sad that people need to consider anonymization >> just to use Usenet, but it may be necessary for some speech.
Unfortunately, anonymization (or at least pseudonymity) is *absolutely* necessary if one wants to avoid prison, even in the so-called "free" United States of America. There was a man by the name of Frank McCoy -- he was convicted and imprisoned for sending a link to where 'obscene' materials may be found to an undercover officer.
These 'obscene' materials consisted of text-only stories written by him, as well as some materials that he edited on behalf of others. McCoy was obsessed with challenging Miller v. California, the Supreme Court case that defines obscenity in the United States to this day.
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024 13:01:36 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is Freenet called Hyphanet now?
I don't know what sort of governance various area / regional / national coordinators have over FidoNet any more.
If memory serves, it was possible to add points without contacting any coordinator as they were subtended off of a node.
I think nodes required minimal coordination with the area coordinator
mostly so that they could update the list.
I don't know what is technically required to function vs what should be
done by accepted convention.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:51:03 +0200, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
I think tor is fine
https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/1aym73t/tor_developers_caught_colluding_with_the_us_govt/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TOR/comments/1bjavfg/more_tor_maleficence_revealed/
FidoNet works with a file called the NodeList. That file contains the information that the program needs to directly contact any other BBS in
the network.
I have no idea of the status of the rules and update process today,
but I can describe what it was when the whole system was active.
The geographic organization was network and node, where the networks
were generally an area code. So if you were in Chicago, network 115, if
you wanted to start a FidoNet BBS you contacted the local network
coordinator (who you could see in the NodeList) and were given a node
number, so the address of your BBS might be 115/777. The network coordinator added your node to the local NodeList and send it to the
Zone coordinator. There were six zones - North America, South America, Europe, Oceania, Asia, and Africa. Updates to the NodeList flowed up to
the Zone Coordinators, who send their updated lists to the Zone 1 Coordinator, who merged all the updates and sent back the updated list,
which then was communicated back down to the individual BBS sysops.
According to that universal font of knowledge, Wikipedia, at its peak
there were 40,000 systems in FidoNet.
One of the duties of the network coordinator was to handle mail for the
nodes in that network, so if you as a sysop had mail for another node,
you did not contact them directly but instead sent you mail to the
network coordinator who, during National Mail Hour, would send it to its network host and receive anything incoming to their network. During National Mail Hour, which was during the wee hours in North America, the
BBS was not available for human use and was configured only to accept
mail from other FidoNet systems.
On top of this infrastructure was EchoMail. It used the same philosophy
as Usenet (and Facebook, and Reddit) of having interest-based groups
where people could post and interact with their peers in that group. A given BBS would carry a subset of these based on the interest of their
users, and this data was exchanged via a collection of systems that
wanted to dedicate resources to providing EchoMail to their users.
Turnaround was generally daily, with some systems exchanging data on a
more frequent basis. At their peak, these forums were very active and operated pretty much identically to Usenet newsgroups in terms of
usefulness, users with great insight, users who were clueless, and
trolls. In fact, if you step away from the formatting and latency
issues, nothing much has changed except the technology since mailing
lists / EchoMail / Usenet / Facebook / Reddit / the rest of what we call "social media" today.
All of this sounds horribly complex,
but the software behind it made things very routine for the BBS sysop
once things were set up.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (3 / 13) |
| Uptime: | 35:27:26 |
| Calls: | 10,392 |
| Calls today: | 3 |
| Files: | 14,064 |
| Messages: | 6,417,146 |