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  • Re: snapd update!!

    From Bit Twister@21:1/5 to Paulo da Silva on Fri May 6 14:00:38 2022
    On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"

    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.

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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 6 19:29:35 2022
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service

    Thanks for any comments.

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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 6 21:45:21 2022
    Às 20:00 de 06/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
    On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"

    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.

    Anyway, why does a single package like snapd, which I could easily
    remove, trigger so much services seeming not related at all?

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 6 23:31:51 2022
    On 06.05.2022 at 21:45, Paulo da Silva scribbled:

    Às 20:00 de 06/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
    On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"

    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have
    triggered "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.

    Anyway, why does a single package like snapd, which I could easily
    remove, trigger so much services seeming not related at all?

    Snaps run inside a chroot container, with some additional isolation in
    place as well — e.g. at the level of dbus, et al. Presumably
    the configuration data of certain daemons needs to be loaded into memory
    anew before the containers can be reinitialized.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Bit Twister on Fri May 6 22:53:58 2022
    On 5/6/22 12:00, Bit Twister wrote:
    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.


    If systemd detects an existing unit file change, or a new service unit
    file is created, it should only ever ask for a simple 'systemctl daemon-reload'.

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  • From Bit Twister@21:1/5 to stepore on Sat May 7 08:01:29 2022
    On Fri, 6 May 2022 22:53:58 -0700, stepore wrote:
    On 5/6/22 12:00, Bit Twister wrote:
    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
    "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.


    If systemd detects an existing unit file change, or a new service unit
    file is created, it should only ever ask for a simple 'systemctl daemon-reload'.

    I agree, that is all I have ever seen on my install. Sounds like the
    wraooer script has decided to always have user restart services to pick
    up any possible service app changes.

    Any time I want to run down systemdd problems like dependence or booting problems I do a
    systemd-analyze plot > /var/tmp/blame.svg
    firefox /var/tmp/blame.svg &

    other tools
    systemd-analyze blame
    systemd-analyze critical-chain

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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 02:38:12 2022
    I have installed needrestart. It doesn't come with my distro (kubuntu).
    It also informs if a running package is using a lib newly updated
    (obsolete version).


    Às 20:00 de 06/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
    On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:29:35 +0100, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    Note I run Mageia Linux and have no experience with "needrestart"

    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.


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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 02:35:43 2022
    Thanks to all who responded.
    Still confused why so much services restarted. I only have blender,
    shotcut and pycharm-community as snap packages!

    Regards.



    Às 19:29 de 06/05/22, Paulo da Silva escreveu:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service

    Thanks for any comments.


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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 02:40:35 2022
    Às 14:01 de 07/05/22, Bit Twister escreveu:
    On Fri, 6 May 2022 22:53:58 -0700, stepore wrote:
    On 5/6/22 12:00, Bit Twister wrote:
    I do know when sysetmd detects a new service file it ask for you to
    reload it or all services. Sounds like the message may have triggered
    "needrestart" to suggest you to do whatever it asked.


    If systemd detects an existing unit file change, or a new service unit
    file is created, it should only ever ask for a simple 'systemctl
    daemon-reload'.

    I agree, that is all I have ever seen on my install. Sounds like the
    wraooer script has decided to always have user restart services to pick
    up any possible service app changes.

    Any time I want to run down systemdd problems like dependence or booting problems I do a
    systemd-analyze plot > /var/tmp/blame.svg
    firefox /var/tmp/blame.svg &

    other tools
    systemd-analyze blame
    systemd-analyze critical-chain

    Thank you for these suggestions. I didn't know them :-)

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Paulo da Silva on Sat May 7 22:54:56 2022
    On 5/6/22 11:29, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service

    Thanks for any comments.


    snapd has it's hooks in all these system services because they effect
    the packages inside the snap 'containers'.

    On a side note, if you're not using some of these you should disable
    them. like smbd/nmbd (if you're not using windows files sharing, etc)
    systemctl disable serviceunitname.service

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Paulo da Silva on Sat May 7 22:44:41 2022
    On 5/7/22 18:35, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    <snip> I only have blender,
    shotcut and pycharm-community as snap packages!

    That doesn't sound right. You sure? If you're using snap you should have
    some default base core, gtk and gnome packages installed as snaps too.
    Unless you've deleted them. But that would probably break snapd.

    what does 'snap list' show?

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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 18:23:48 2022
    Às 06:54 de 08/05/22, stepore escreveu:
    On 5/6/22 11:29, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    Hi!

    As a routine update, only one package was updated: snapd.

    Why "needrestart" told me to restart all these services?!

    systemctl restart colord.service NetworkManager.service nmbd.service
    smbd.service ssh.service systemd-journald.service systemd-logind.service
    systemd-resolved.service systemd-timesyncd.service systemd-udevd.service
    udisks2.service whoopsie.service wpa_supplicant.service

    Thanks for any comments.


    snapd has it's hooks in all these system services because they effect
    the packages inside the snap 'containers'.

    On a side note, if you're not using some of these you should disable
    them. like smbd/nmbd (if you're not using windows files sharing, etc) systemctl disable serviceunitname.service

    Yes, I use samba.
    Thanks.

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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 8 18:16:30 2022
    Às 06:44 de 08/05/22, stepore escreveu:
    On 5/7/22 18:35, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    <snip>  I only have blender,
    shotcut and pycharm-community as snap packages!

    That doesn't sound right. You sure? If you're using snap you should have
    some default base core, gtk and gnome packages installed as snaps too.
    Unless you've deleted them. But that would probably break snapd.

    what does 'snap list' show?


    blender 3.1.2 2106 latest/stable blenderfoundation✓ classic
    core 16-2.54.4 12834 latest/stable canonical✓ core core18 20220309 2344 latest/stable canonical✓ base pycharm-community 2022.1 276 latest/stable jetbrains✓
    classic
    shotcut 22.04.25 692 latest/stable meltytech✓
    classic
    snapd 2.55.3 15534 latest/stable canonical✓
    snapd

    I am using kubuntu 20.04, not ubuntu.

    Regards

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Paulo da Silva on Sun May 8 19:42:37 2022
    On 5/8/22 10:16, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    blender 3.1.2 2106 latest/stable blenderfoundation✓ classic
    core 16-2.54.4 12834 latest/stable canonical✓ core
    core18 20220309 2344 latest/stable canonical✓ base
    pycharm-community 2022.1 276 latest/stable jetbrains✓
    classic
    shotcut 22.04.25 692 latest/stable meltytech✓
    classic
    snapd 2.55.3 15534 latest/stable canonical✓
    snapd

    I am using kubuntu 20.04, not ubuntu.

    Desktop environment doesn't matter. if you're using snapd then it'll
    still have its hooks into all those services.

    For instance. snapd.socket unit file contains:
    WantedBy=sockets.target

    And sockets.target has all these type of unit files listed: /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/acpid.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/apport-forward.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/avahi-daemon.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/cups.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/snapd.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/uuidd.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/dirmngr.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-browser.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-extra.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-ssh.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pk-debconf-helper.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dbus.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-initctl.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-audit.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-dev-log.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-control.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket

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  • From Paulo da Silva@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 9 17:17:56 2022
    Às 03:42 de 09/05/22, stepore escreveu:
    On 5/8/22 10:16, Paulo da Silva wrote:
    blender            3.1.2      2106   latest/stable  blenderfoundation✓
    classic
    core               16-2.54.4  12834  latest/stable
    canonical✓          core
    core18             20220309   2344   latest/stable
    canonical✓          base
    pycharm-community  2022.1     276    latest/stable  jetbrains✓
    classic
    shotcut            22.04.25   692    latest/stable  meltytech✓
    classic
    snapd              2.55.3     15534  latest/stable  canonical✓
    snapd

    I am using kubuntu 20.04, not ubuntu.

    Desktop environment doesn't matter. if you're using snapd then it'll
    still have its hooks into all those services.

    For instance. snapd.socket unit file contains:
    WantedBy=sockets.target

    And sockets.target has all these type of unit files listed: /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/acpid.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/apport-forward.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/avahi-daemon.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/cups.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/snapd.socket

    /etc/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/uuidd.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/dirmngr.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-browser.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-extra.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent-ssh.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/gpg-agent.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pk-debconf-helper.socket

    /etc/systemd/user/sockets.target.wants/pulseaudio.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/dbus.socket

    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-initctl.socket


    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-audit.socket


    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald-dev-log.socket


    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-journald.socket


    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-control.socket


    /snap/core18/2344/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket

    Ok, thank you.

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