• easy V22 question (hopefully)

    From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 6 18:23:44 2022
    Compared to what I had been asking, I hope this one is simple. In V18,
    I was used to having my email icon at the top right hand side of the
    screen next to the audio, network connection, etc, but in V22, it
    doesn't show up there but at the menu at the left side of the screen.
    How can I get the top right option back?

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Tue Sep 6 16:16:44 2022
    On 9/6/22 15:23, wAYNE wrote:
    Compared to what I had been asking, I hope this one is simple.  In V18,
    I was used to having my email icon at the top right hand side of the
    screen next to the audio, network connection, etc, but in V22, it
    doesn't show up there but at the menu at the left side of the screen.
    How can I get the top right option back?

    Switch from Gnome to KDE Plasma. Then you will have far better control of your desktop layout.

    bliss(who has been using KDE since it was 3.5.x and hates Gnome
    since 2.4)

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 11:10:17 2022
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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 17:44:49 2022
    On 07.09.2022 at 11:10, wAYNE scribbled:

    On 9/6/22 19:16, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

        Switch from Gnome to KDE Plasma.  Then you will have far
    better control of your desktop layout.

        bliss(who has been using KDE since it was 3.5.x [...

    I've been using KDE ever since it was at version 1.1. :)

    ...] and hates Gnome since 2.4)

    We hates it! We hates it! Raaaghhh! :p

    GNOME (and GTK in general) is too restrictive. Some people prefer
    that, but I do not. ;)

    Trying it out now the KDE Plasma. Makes the initial layout look a
    lot more like Windows, but nice to see that I could immediately add
    widgets to the bottom.

    You can add widgets anywhere you like. Many widgets also behave
    differently depending on whether you put them on a panel or whether you
    put them on the desktop.

    I suppose I could move those to the top if I wanted to.

    KDE — now called Plasma, with the term KDE now being used for referring
    to the organization that develops the software — has always been the
    most configurable and most flexible of all desktop environments.

    My desktop doesn't even look anything like MS-Windows. It looks a lot
    more (albeit not 100% identical to) macOS, which agrees much more with
    my personal sense of aesthetics and ergonomics than MS-Windows, plus
    that macOS and GNU/Linux are both UNIX systems, whereas Windows is more
    of an MS-DOS on steroids.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Wed Sep 7 11:07:02 2022
    Aragorn wrote:
    KDE — now called Plasma, with the term KDE now being used for referring
    to the organization that develops the software — has always been the
    most configurable and most flexible of all desktop environments.

    AND, it does so MUCH more efficiently than Gnome and its troublesome
    gtk3 which is only going to get worse going to gtk4.

    I think it is also great that the old Qt 3 is being actively maintained
    as TQt to support the old KDE as Trinity DE as an even MORE efficient
    KDE while it is also great that modern Qt and KDE Plasma roll on.

    I guess a question floating around in my head is: Is it KDE dev that
    makes Qt a more efficient way to build a desktop; or is it Qt that makes KDE/Plasma a more efficient way to build a desktop?

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Wed Sep 7 11:50:01 2022
    On 9/7/22 11:31, Aragorn wrote:
    On 07.09.2022 at 11:07, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Aragorn wrote:

    KDE — now called Plasma, with the term KDE now being used for
    referring to the organization that develops the software — has
    always been the most configurable and most flexible of all desktop
    environments.

    AND, it does so MUCH more efficiently than Gnome and its troublesome
    gtk3 which is only going to get worse going to gtk4.

    I think it is also great that the old Qt 3 is being actively
    maintained as TQt to support the old KDE as Trinity DE as an even
    MORE efficient KDE while it is also great that modern Qt and KDE
    Plasma roll on.

    I guess a question floating around in my head is: Is it KDE dev that
    makes Qt a more efficient way to build a desktop; or is it Qt that
    makes KDE/Plasma a more efficient way to build a desktop?

    Well, let's put it this way: the KDE developers chose Qt for a reason,
    and Plasma isn't the only desktop environment to use Qt. Even parts of Microsoft Windows and certain third-party Windows applications use Qt, because Qt can seamlessly integrate with whatever the underlying GUI
    style is — of course, in Plasma, Qt is itself the underlying style.

    Qt is incredibly flexible and versatile. The KDE developers recognized
    this from the start and have always fully exploited this flexibility and versatility. In terms of user interface design, they are completely
    in sync with the philosophy behind Qt.

    I guess it's a synergy thing. ;)

    Plus KDE's Plasma 5 has been subject to intensive development devoted to reducing its impact on the rest of the OS. It could be
    better but I miss the plugin to do file insertion.
    The only problems is constant security updates and we do want those do we note.

    My desktop is set up to somewhat resemble my AmigaOS Workbench
    but thankfully unlike AmigaOS it does have memory protection. And I
    have been working on it since KDE 3.5.x


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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 21:07:15 2022
    On 07.09.2022 at 11:50, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:

    On 9/7/22 11:31, Aragorn wrote:

    Well, let's put it this way: the KDE developers chose Qt for a
    reason, and Plasma isn't the only desktop environment to use Qt.
    Even parts of Microsoft Windows and certain third-party Windows applications use Qt, because Qt can seamlessly integrate with
    whatever the underlying GUI style is — of course, in Plasma, Qt is
    itself the underlying style.

    Qt is incredibly flexible and versatile. The KDE developers
    recognized this from the start and have always fully exploited this flexibility and versatility. In terms of user interface design,
    they are completely in sync with the philosophy behind Qt.

    I guess it's a synergy thing. ;)

    Plus KDE's Plasma 5 has been subject to intensive development
    devoted to reducing its impact on the rest of the OS. It could be
    better but I miss the plugin to do file insertion.

    What do you mean by "file insertion"?

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 20:31:28 2022
    On 07.09.2022 at 11:07, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Aragorn wrote:

    KDE — now called Plasma, with the term KDE now being used for
    referring to the organization that develops the software — has
    always been the most configurable and most flexible of all desktop environments.

    AND, it does so MUCH more efficiently than Gnome and its troublesome
    gtk3 which is only going to get worse going to gtk4.

    I think it is also great that the old Qt 3 is being actively
    maintained as TQt to support the old KDE as Trinity DE as an even
    MORE efficient KDE while it is also great that modern Qt and KDE
    Plasma roll on.

    I guess a question floating around in my head is: Is it KDE dev that
    makes Qt a more efficient way to build a desktop; or is it Qt that
    makes KDE/Plasma a more efficient way to build a desktop?

    Well, let's put it this way: the KDE developers chose Qt for a reason,
    and Plasma isn't the only desktop environment to use Qt. Even parts of Microsoft Windows and certain third-party Windows applications use Qt,
    because Qt can seamlessly integrate with whatever the underlying GUI
    style is — of course, in Plasma, Qt is itself the underlying style.

    Qt is incredibly flexible and versatile. The KDE developers recognized
    this from the start and have always fully exploited this flexibility and versatility. In terms of user interface design, they are completely
    in sync with the philosophy behind Qt.

    I guess it's a synergy thing. ;)

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Wed Sep 7 12:20:09 2022
    On 9/7/22 12:07, Aragorn wrote:
    On 07.09.2022 at 11:50, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:

    On 9/7/22 11:31, Aragorn wrote:

    Well, let's put it this way: the KDE developers chose Qt for a
    reason, and Plasma isn't the only desktop environment to use Qt.
    Even parts of Microsoft Windows and certain third-party Windows
    applications use Qt, because Qt can seamlessly integrate with
    whatever the underlying GUI style is — of course, in Plasma, Qt is
    itself the underlying style.

    Qt is incredibly flexible and versatile. The KDE developers
    recognized this from the start and have always fully exploited this
    flexibility and versatility. In terms of user interface design,
    they are completely in sync with the philosophy behind Qt.

    I guess it's a synergy thing. ;)

    Plus KDE's Plasma 5 has been subject to intensive development
    devoted to reducing its impact on the rest of the OS. It could be
    better but I miss the plugin to do file insertion.

    What do you mean by "file insertion"?

    I have a few files that contain some repetitive information for example "Days of Week" with some other data included. I keep a daily
    journal and every week I used to use the file insertion plug-in to
    add a fresh week. Now I open the file, copy the contents to the
    clipboard and then insert that file at the appropriate point in
    my journal. Sometimes to avoid frequent repetition I add it in
    4 or 5 times. I hope that is a clear enough explanation. Every day I
    copy the Day of the week from the clock and use it to write over
    the place holder which today was Wednesday and I copied over it with
    Wednesday, 7 September 2022.

    It was also handy to write a short document about something then
    insert that document into a longer one concerning a more general matter
    or add a document to another document.

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 22:05:33 2022
    On 07.09.2022 at 12:20, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:

    On 9/7/22 12:07, Aragorn wrote:

    On 07.09.2022 at 11:50, Bobbie Sellers scribbled:

    It could be better but I miss the plugin to do file insertion.

    What do you mean by "file insertion"?

    I have a few files that contain some repetitive information
    for example "Days of Week" with some other data included. I keep a
    daily journal and every week I used to use the file insertion plug-in
    to add a fresh week. Now I open the file, copy the contents to the clipboard and then insert that file at the appropriate point in
    my journal. Sometimes to avoid frequent repetition I add it in
    4 or 5 times. I hope that is a clear enough explanation. Every day I
    copy the Day of the week from the clock and use it to write over
    the place holder which today was Wednesday and I copied over it with Wednesday, 7 September 2022.

    It was also handy to write a short document about something
    then insert that document into a longer one concerning a more general
    matter or add a document to another document.

    I'm not sure I get what you're talking about, but could that have been
    the Blog widget?

    I can't find it at store.kde.org, but perhaps one of these two could be
    of help to you...:

    ° ToDoList : https://store.kde.org/p/1152230
    ° MarkDown Plasmoid : https://store.kde.org/p/1376340

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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