• Firefox not working

    From Tom Smith@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 18 15:09:05 2022
    Hello

    i Have just updated from ubuntu ver 20.04 to 22.04 and firefox does not
    work. When i click on the FF symbol in favourites i get the rotating
    arrows and "firefox web browser£ appers in Activities, but no window
    opens. When i click on this heading i get a menu 'new window/open new window/open new private window/ quit. When i click on any of the
    'window' options the menu flashes continuously, but no window opens.
    I then have to open a new menu to select quit.
    What can i do to correct this?
    Tom

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 18 10:31:28 2022
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Tom Smith on Sun Sep 18 13:09:23 2022
    On 9/18/2022 10:09 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
    Hello

    i Have just updated from ubuntu ver 20.04 to 22.04 and firefox does not work. When i click on the FF symbol in favourites i get the rotating arrows and "firefox web browser£ appers in Activities, but no window opens. When i click on this heading i get
    a menu 'new window/open new window/open new private window/ quit. When i click on any of the 'window' options the menu flashes continuously, but no window opens.
    I then have to open a new menu to select quit.
    What can i do to correct this?
    Tom

    In a terminal window:

    $ cat /etc/mtab | grep firefox # The snap mounts are in /etc/mtab

    /dev/loop6 /snap/firefox/1810 squashfs ... # Snap modules are loopback mounted
    # Snap contains everything Firefox needs
    # But the file system access is "contained"
    *******
    $ snap list

    Name Version Rev
    firefox 104.0.2-1 1810

    *******

    $ which firefox

    /snap/bin/firefox # snap presumably, is ahead of /usr/bin in the PATH variable.

    *******

    # Now, run it, check for error messages into the Terminal window

    $ firefox

    *******

    Then tell us, what the firefox command returned, that is abnormal.

    You can see in my example, there is a shedload of messages. VAAPI
    would be on an Intel graphics system, whereas my card is NVidia.
    The viaduct error is spit out, during the Firefox shutdown sequence.

    bullwinkle@TUNAFISH:~$ firefox
    update.go:85: cannot change mount namespace according to change mount (/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/share/cups/doc-root /usr/share/cups/doc-root none bind,ro 0 0): cannot create directory "/usr/share/cups/doc-root": permission denied
    update.go:85: cannot change mount namespace according to change mount (/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/share/gimp/2.0/help /usr/share/gimp/2.0/help none bind,ro 0 0): cannot create directory "/usr/share/gimp/2.0": permission denied
    update.go:85: cannot change mount namespace according to change mount (/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/share/libreoffice/help /usr/share/libreoffice/help none bind,ro 0 0): cannot create directory "/usr/share/libreoffice/help": permission denied
    update.go:85: cannot change mount namespace according to change mount (/var/lib/snapd/hostfs/usr/share/xubuntu-docs /usr/share/xubuntu-docs none bind,ro 0 0): cannot open directory "/var/lib": permission denied
    Gtk-Message: 12:58:53.049: Failed to load module "xapp-gtk3-module" Gtk-Message: 12:58:53.214: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" Gtk-Message: 12:58:53.231: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
    [GFX1-]: glxtest: VA-API test failed: failed to initialise VAAPI connection. ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. ATTENTION: default value of option mesa_glthread overridden by environment. Missing chrome or resource URL: resource://gre/modules/UpdateListener.sys.mjs Missing chrome or resource URL: resource://gre/modules/UpdateListener.sys.mjs [2022-09-18T16:59:50Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status [2022-09-18T16:59:50Z ERROR viaduct::backend::ffi] Missing HTTP status bullwinkle@TUNAFISH:~$

    That's a pretty normal looking output, indicating
    nothing is wrong :-) The output would be a lot quieter
    on a failure.

    Paul

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  • From Zachary Fetters@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Mon Sep 19 19:08:14 2022
    On 9/18/22 10:31 AM, wAYNE wrote:
    On 9/18/22 10:09 AM, Tom Smith wrote:
    Hello

    i Have just updated from ubuntu ver 20.04 to 22.04 and firefox does
    not work. When i click on the FF symbol in favourites i get the
    rotating arrows and "firefox web browser£ appers in Activities, but no
    window opens. When i click on this heading i get a menu 'new
    window/open new window/open new private window/ quit. When i click on
    any of the 'window' options the menu flashes continuously, but no
    window opens.
    I then have to open a new menu to select quit.
    What can i do to correct this?
    Tom

    After my recent upgrade, Firefox was under snap and running more slowly
    and my ad ons stopped working.  The first thing I came across searching
    was to uninstall it from snap and reinstall it the way it was with prior versions:

    https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04


    My ad ons started working again and Firefox was faster.  Not sure if
    this will help you, but thought I would share this.



    I had a similar issue to this but with VLC. When I installed from the
    Ubuntu Software store, it seemed to install the snap version, which was
    either an update or two behind the terminal install with sudo apt
    install vlc, or just missing some codec extensions. Either way, the snap
    store version wouldn't run anything and the terminal installation would.
    Weird.

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  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Tom Smith on Tue Sep 20 09:50:07 2022
    Tom Smith wrote:
    Hello

    i Have just updated from ubuntu ver 20.04 to 22.04 and firefox does not
    work. When i click on the FF symbol in favourites i get the rotating
    arrows and "firefox web browser£ appers in Activities, but no window
    opens. When i click on this heading i get a menu 'new window/open new window/open new private window/ quit. When i click on any of the
    'window' options the menu flashes continuously, but no window opens.
    I then have to open a new menu to select quit.
    What can i do to correct this?
    Tom

    Re: Firefox not working after upgrade

    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2479058&p=14112458#post14112458

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Tue Sep 20 03:49:58 2022
    On 9/20/2022 2:50 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    Tom Smith wrote:
    Hello

    i Have just updated from ubuntu ver 20.04 to 22.04 and firefox does not work. When i click on the FF symbol in favourites i get the rotating arrows and "firefox web browser£ appers in Activities, but no window opens. When i click on this heading i
    get a menu 'new window/open new window/open new private window/ quit. When i click on any of the 'window' options the menu flashes continuously, but no window opens.
    I then have to open a new menu to select quit.
    What can i do to correct this?
    Tom

    Re: Firefox not working after upgrade

    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2479058&p=14112458#post14112458

    They claim here that Firefox is ready for Wayland.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox

    5.11 Wayland

    More recent versions of Firefox support opting into Wayland mode
    via an environment variable.

    [from Terminal, as a test]

    $ MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 firefox

    To verify it worked, look for Window Protocol in about:support [typed into URL bar].
    "wayland" [ means working directly under wayland at present ]
    "xwayland" [ running legacy X11 by using xwayland compatibility part of wayland]
    "x11" [ running X11 under X11 ]

    ... [ article has more advice on what to do next ]

    Paul

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  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Sep 21 07:33:56 2022
    Paul wrote:

    They claim here that Firefox is ready for Wayland.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox

    e.g.
    1782948 - [Wayland] Firefox UI freezes when we fail to show a popup
    Status: RESOLVED FIXED
    Milestone: 105 Branch
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1782948

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Andrei Z. on Wed Sep 21 05:59:11 2022
    On 9/21/2022 12:33 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    Paul wrote:

    They claim here that Firefox is ready for Wayland.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox

    e.g.
    1782948 - [Wayland] Firefox UI freezes when we fail to show a popup
    Status: RESOLVED FIXED
    Milestone: 105 Branch
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1782948



    The 105.0 is in the pipe. Snap will show up eventually.

    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/105.0/

    I tried all three modes, and they worked for me. Ubuntu 2204. NVidia driver. There were no reboots to capture the three modes. Firefox Snap 104.0.2 .

    "wayland" [ means working directly under wayland at present ]
    "xwayland" [ running legacy X11 by using xwayland compatibility part of wayland]
    "x11" [ running X11 under X11 ]

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/MHgVxtC7/FF10402-three-modes.gif

    And I have seen rendering failures before, where the GUI
    on Firefox starts to render, and the menus don't work. Which
    implies an "OpenGL and friends" issue on the particular setup
    I witnessed that on. In the picture above, you can see "WebGL Extensions"
    and also a list of OpenGL routines -- in the failure cases,
    those were poorly populated and lots of stuff was missing, and
    that's why Firefox jammed up with no menus. So I can
    sympathize with the OP. Failures do happen. Maybe for
    my pictures, just switching to Nouveau would be enough
    to break it. The above picture was just to see if the modes
    work, and they seem to. I didn't do some sort of full matrix test.

    The reason I tend to use the NVidia driver, is Nouveau loses
    contact with my particular video card. I have a 1080 and a 1050,
    and Nouveau has no trouble with the 1050, but the 1080 problem
    might be with the silicon. The NVidia driver uses its watchdog
    timer, to recover the communications.

    Paul

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  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Paul on Wed Sep 21 13:26:42 2022
    Paul wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 12:33 AM, Andrei Z. wrote:
    Paul wrote:

    They claim here that Firefox is ready for Wayland.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox

    e.g.
    1782948 - [Wayland] Firefox UI freezes when we fail to show a popup
    Status: RESOLVED FIXED
    Milestone: 105 Branch
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1782948



    The 105.0 is in the pipe. Snap will show up eventually.

    http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/105.0/

    I tried all three modes, and they worked for me. Ubuntu 2204. NVidia
    driver.
    There were no reboots to capture the three modes. Firefox Snap 104.0.2 .

          "wayland"   [ means working directly under wayland at present ]
          "xwayland"  [ running legacy X11 by using xwayland compatibility part of wayland]
          "x11"       [ running X11 under X11 ]

          [Picture]

          https://i.postimg.cc/MHgVxtC7/FF10402-three-modes.gif

    And I have seen rendering failures before, where the GUI
    on Firefox starts to render, and the menus don't work. Which
    implies an "OpenGL and friends" issue on the particular setup
    I witnessed that on. In the picture above, you can see "WebGL Extensions"
    and also a list of OpenGL routines -- in the failure cases,
    those were poorly populated and lots of stuff was missing, and
    that's why Firefox jammed up with no menus. So I can
    sympathize with the OP. Failures do happen. Maybe for
    my pictures, just switching to Nouveau would be enough
    to break it. The above picture was just to see if the modes
    work, and they seem to. I didn't do some sort of full matrix test.

    The reason I tend to use the NVidia driver, is Nouveau loses
    contact with my particular video card. I have a 1080 and a 1050,
    and Nouveau has no trouble with the 1050, but the 1080 problem
    might be with the silicon. The NVidia driver uses its watchdog
    timer, to recover the communications.

       Paul

    1783924 - Enable HW-WR on all Mesa drivers in release
    Status: RESOLVED FIXED
    Milestone: 105 Branch
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1783924

    "So lets finally draw a line from where on rendering regressions will be
    driver issues and not our business."

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 09:29:05 2022
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Wed Sep 21 14:35:16 2022
    On 9/21/2022 9:29 AM, wAYNE wrote:


    I use VLC too, but the snap version.  The first thing I did was download and install the necessary codecs described in #2 here:

    https://itsfoss.com/things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-22-04/

    From there, certain videos still played blocky, so disabled hardware accelerated decoding, also #2 here:

    https://windowsreport.com/vlc-pixelated/

    All good again with all videos, plays like it should.

    When this happens, the need to "disabled hardware accelerated decoding" is because you don't currently HAVE accelerated decoding. You are exchanging
    one soggy decoding path in software, for another software path.

    It's up to you, whether you run the FOSS driver for the video card
    or run the hardware manufacturer driver. If your video card is modern
    enough to run the manufacturer driver, then the hardware acceleration
    provided is worthwhile. You can still "disabled hardware accelerated decoding" if you want, even if you added a better driver for the video card.
    You're still in control at that point.

    The video card has multiple subsystems. A "proxy" for detecting whether the video card has been "made useful" by your OS, is the application glxgears.
    You run it in a Terminal, without elevation (no sudo needed). It's
    a benchmark. Without the additional arguments, it is capped at 60FPS.

    vblank_mode=0 glxgears

    __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears

    Removing the screen refresh synchronization, allows the hardware
    acceleration to run (pretty much) as fast as possible. I believe
    on powerful hardware, the interrupt limiter eventually cuts in
    at around 20,000 FPS. A measure of 4,000 FPS is good for smelly
    but still effective GPUs. If the OS uses a pure software path
    for OpenGL support, then the speed might measure in the
    hundreds of FPS (weak).

    If you get a high number like that, chances are you have a good
    driver. If there is good OpenGL support, then the video card
    might just have a video decoder block as well.

    inxi -G # graphics summary
    inxi -F # only copy the relevant bits...

    The detail as to what driver is running (nvidia or nouveau, some
    ati/amd thing, an intel), should be shown in that output.

    The video decoder situation is shown separately. Maybe QuickSync
    support of movie playing, is shown in the VAAPI details. NVidia
    and ATI/AMD have their own branded video decoders in hardware.
    If video decoders are present, the CPU won't have much to do when
    a video plays. The blocky stuff can disappear, because QuickSync
    does all the work, and your CPU is not railed.

    Firefox "about:support" can highlight some of these details too,
    as Firefox plays videos and knows what the subsystem needed is.

    And if you find yourself adding a *lot* of .deb files you find
    underneath rocks, to try to fix things like this, chances are
    you are doing it wrong. Just a warning. The reason old ways of
    doing things get dropped, is because the software no longer uses
    those or even touches them.

    Application software that is ten to twenty years old, yes, it
    depends on the old stuff. Anything under constant maintenance
    (like Firefox), won't need the old ways. VLC is similarly kept
    up to date. It can use ffmpeg materials or libav files, for
    some of the video stuff. It does not need crusty old codec packs.

    If you're using the Snap version of things, it is also more
    likely that the Snap cannot even access some of these libraries
    you have added. Snap is isolated. Snap applications can easily reach
    your home directory, but not so easily reach /usr/bin or the like.

    We are awash in a sea of change... with no life preserver in sight.

    Paul

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 10:10:23 2022
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Thu Sep 22 14:13:09 2022
    On 9/22/2022 10:10 AM, wAYNE wrote:


    Thanks for the info.  Well, it's whatever card is used in the Dell Inspiron 1545 laptop.  Yes, it's an old laptop, but I gave it somewhat new life a few years back when I changed out the hard drive for SSD and upgraded the memory.  The desktop does
    have a video card I purchased later and installed, but it is not an expensive one.  In fact, if I try using too much in the way of graphics, both Win and Ubuntu either freeze or the screen goes black on Win.  This doesn't happen often and I've learned
    to live with it over the years.  Yes, I tried the correct drivers in Win too and it never solved it.  The desktop is also an old Dell XPS420.

    Since I don't like having to hold the power button to shut down whenever the PC freezes or goes black, I found that I could still reach the command window and log out and reboot while in Ubuntu, a route which I'd rather do.  In Win, no such luck, so
    if the black screen persists, I usually have to hold the power button to shut down.

    With limited funds, I can't easily shell out for new PCs and learned to work and live with what I have.  The freezing/ black screen issues have been going on for over 5 years anyway.  While in Win, I've learned to anticipate when I'm pushing things
    to hard and will close and restart whatever software I'm using at the time.  I believe this helps clear video memory and I then won't often get the black screen.

    One site says:

    Memory: DDR2-800, 2 slots
    Graphics: Intel GMA X4500HD, or ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4330, 256 MB GDDR3

    The Intel option, uses shared system memory.

    The Radeon, when described that way, has four silicon dies strapped to
    the top of the GPU.

    I would not know where to begin, to set up such a machine properly.

    You need to know some details, to know you've done the best job
    possible for the thing.

    Sure, the OS has some automation for modprobing and adding
    a driver. But when there are two GPUs, chances are the user
    could do a better job of setup, than the OS.

    *******

    The RV710 (HD 4330) has an MP4 decoder in hardware. UVD 2.2,
    full bitstream for MP4. The MPEG2 support is IDCT only (useless).
    Developers in the year 2022, have abandoned using IDCT (inverse
    discrete cosine transform).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder

    That means, there is a potential some MP4 video content in
    Firefox, could be accelerated by the ATI Mobility GPU.

    For the Intel GPU, I can find this:

    "A new feature of the GMA chip, are the integrated HD video-decoding
    functions. The GM45 is able to decode HD-videos in the formats
    AVC, VC-2, and MPEG-2 to help the CPU."

    But it doesn't say whether that's full-bitstream decoding, or
    only partial decoding. The MPEG-2 would help with a Hollywood DVD
    perhaps. These things depend on the "profile" supported, matching
    what Hollywood uses.

    Paul

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