• Marek says "hi"

    From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 08:50:30 2022
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am
    posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using
    GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken kind,
    not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although
    he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the people here
    whom he had befriended.

    Anyway, just thought I'd pass on the message, in case any of the people
    from back in those days are still monitoring the group — I myself
    haven't seen any of them post in a very long time anymore either, so I
    don't know whether they're still lurking or whether they too have moved
    on toward greener pastures.

    Cheers! :)

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Tue Dec 20 05:29:32 2022
    Aragorn wrote:

    our old friend Marek Novotny has requested that I'd say "hi" to the
    people he knew while he was a Usenet resident.

    Interesting. Tnx.

    Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Why in q-p?

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From CookieM@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 16:14:27 2022
    W dniu 20.12.2022 o 08:50, Aragorn pisze:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken kind,
    not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although
    he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the people here
    whom he had befriended.

    Anyway, just thought I'd pass on the message, in case any of the people
    from back in those days are still monitoring the group — I myself
    haven't seen any of them post in a very long time anymore either, so I
    don't know whether they're still lurking or whether they too have moved
    on toward greener pastures.

    Cheers! :)

    Whew! This means Marek is alive! I remember you posted here, that he is
    dead (having lost the war with Usenet trolls)! So happy it isn’t so!

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Tue Dec 20 06:42:02 2022
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aragorn wrote:

    Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Why in q-p?

    Aha. Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an em-dash, it is going
    to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Also claws help is showing me some features that I like. I'll have to
    check it out some more.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Tue Dec 20 10:18:54 2022
    Aragorn wrote:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken kind,
    not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although
    he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the people here
    whom he had befriended.

    Anyway, just thought I'd pass on the message, in case any of the people
    from back in those days are still monitoring the group — I myself
    haven't seen any of them post in a very long time anymore either, so I
    don't know whether they're still lurking or whether they too have moved
    on toward greener pastures.

    Cheers! :)


    Say Hi and Merry Christmas.

    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Tue Dec 20 08:17:19 2022
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an em-dash, it is going
    to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses ascii unless it
    needs something else, which alternately could be utf-8 but utf-8 won't
    do an em-dash w/o 'extras' so it uses q-p.

    In another group, there was a discussion in which a Tb user found
    himself 'unexpectedly' posting in b64, so the different agents have
    their own 'fall-back' strategies for dealing w/ 'characters'.

    The wp article 'debates' the choices of b64 vs qp.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 17:36:25 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 05:29, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Aragorn wrote:

    our old friend Marek Novotny has requested that I'd say "hi" to the
    people he knew while he was a Usenet resident.

    Interesting. Tnx.

    Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Why in q-p?

    I don't know, I haven't done anything to specify that. I'm guessing
    it must be a default setting in Claws Mail somewhere when I start a
    new thread — which I rarely ever do.

    I use KMail for email, but I use Claws Mail for Usenet. I would have
    preferred Pan, but Pan appears to be very unstable in Manjaro — it's a package we pull in directly from Arch. I've tried building it from
    (Arch's) sources on my own computer, but the result was the same; it
    crashes upon downloading the headers when freshly subscribing to a
    newsgroup.

    Claws isn't all that stable either, but it crashes far less. And
    Thunderbird is a horrible newsreader — it doesn't even recognize
    crossposts, and its filtering abilities are ridiculously inadequate for
    Usenet.

    That all said, I myself am not all that active on Usenet anymore either,
    and I've actually been pondering leaving it all behind, after 23 years.

    Usenet isn't what it used to be anymore, and I've got far too many
    other things on my mind than wading through pages and pages of unsnipped
    quoted material all the time in order to then find only a single
    original sentence at the bottom of any given post.

    If there is no original content within the first 10 lines or so, then I
    simply skip the post without reading it, and it was only about six
    weeks to two months ago that I completely abandoned alt.os.linux —
    where I had also been a resident for over two decades — because it was
    being spammed to death by US-political bigots in a massive crossposted
    thread, with my filters seemingly unable to keep it from my view.

    Most of the people I've gotten to know over the years have moved on
    toward greener pastures, so there isn't much of an incentive for me to
    still be sticking around anyway.

    As it is, at the moment I'm still here and mostly lurking, but I don't
    know for how much longer. :-/

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 17:40:17 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 08:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an em-dash, it is
    going to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses ascii unless
    it needs something else, which alternately could be utf-8 but utf-8
    won't do an em-dash w/o 'extras' so it uses q-p.

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all, and I'm not
    an American. :p


    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 17:45:32 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 16:14, CookieM scribbled:

    W dniu 20.12.2022 o 08:50, Aragorn pisze:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a
    Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in
    alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Whew! This means Marek is alive! I remember you posted here, that he
    is dead (having lost the war with Usenet trolls)! So happy it isn’t
    so!

    Yes, he's alive and well — and in good health, albeit still on
    medication to stop him from developing a new embolism — but he's living
    a very different life now.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 17:46:27 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 10:18, Jonathan N. Little scribbled:

    Aragorn wrote:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a
    Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in
    alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken
    kind, not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the
    people here whom he had befriended.

    Anyway, just thought I'd pass on the message, in case any of the
    people from back in those days are still monitoring the group — I
    myself haven't seen any of them post in a very long time anymore
    either, so I don't know whether they're still lurking or whether
    they too have moved on toward greener pastures.

    Cheers! :)

    Say Hi and Merry Christmas.

    Will do! :)

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Killadebug@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Tue Dec 20 18:10:03 2022
    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 17:36:25 +0100, Aragorn wrote:


    Snip

    I use KMail for email, but I use Claws Mail for Usenet. I would have preferred Pan, but Pan appears to be very unstable in Manjaro — it's a package we pull in directly from Arch. I've tried building it from
    (Arch's) sources on my own computer, but the result was the same; it
    crashes upon downloading the headers when freshly subscribing to a
    newsgroup.


    Just curious what version of Pan you tried out. I'm using Pan 0.145 on
    LMDE 5 and it is pretty solid so far, no crashes, no loading or posting
    issues. I cannot say the same for Pan 0.146, that is pretty buggy, one of
    the biggest issues with it is I cannot post to a newsgroup either a
    followup or new post. So I've locked my system to stay on Pan 0.145.

    Snip


    --
    Pull my finger

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  • From Jame O' Brian@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Tue Dec 20 17:56:03 2022
    On 20/12/2022 16:45, Aragorn wrote:
    Yes, he's alive and well — and in good health, albeit still on
    medication to stop him from developing a new embolism — but he's living
    a very different life now.

    There is normally no permanent treatment for mental illness but if you
    say he is in good health then so be it.

    Merry Christmas to you all and hope the new year will bring new things
    in life.

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Tue Dec 20 11:21:23 2022
    Aragorn wrote:
    Thunderbird is a horrible newsreader — it doesn't even recognize crossposts, and its filtering abilities are ridiculously inadequate for Usenet.

    Those are very true and very big deficiencies for a newsreader which is
    all I use Tb for.

    However, Claws won't compose/send in format=flowed and won't
    reformat/rewrap, both of which I consider my preferences for usenet.
    Claws will only 'respect' format=flowed (not create) which isn't enough
    for me. Claws also has a problem about how it does quotes. A single
    quote character should be followed by a space, but 'nested' or stacked
    quotes should not have 'extra' spaces like that.

    So, I'm stuck w/ Tb deficiencies because I won't accept such as Claws deficiencies; it is a matter of 'choice'. Tb is also 'bloated' because
    of its policy of considering itself an html composer/renderer email
    agent which marries it to that moz engine.

    Back to your topic; does Marek participate in any 'online' activities
    (blogs, forums) related to his interest in languages?

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Bit Twister@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Tue Dec 20 14:40:13 2022
    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:21:23 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
    Aragorn wrote:
    Thunderbird is a horrible newsreader — it doesn't even recognize
    crossposts, and its filtering abilities are ridiculously inadequate for
    Usenet.

    Those are very true and very big deficiencies for a newsreader which is
    all I use Tb for.

    However, Claws won't compose/send in format=flowed and won't
    reformat/rewrap, both of which I consider my preferences for usenet.
    Claws will only 'respect' format=flowed (not create) which isn't enough
    for me. Claws also has a problem about how it does quotes. A single
    quote character should be followed by a space, but 'nested' or stacked
    quotes should not have 'extra' spaces like that.

    So, I'm stuck w/ Tb deficiencies because I won't accept such as Claws deficiencies; it is a matter of 'choice'. Tb is also 'bloated' because
    of its policy of considering itself an html composer/renderer email
    agent which marries it to that moz engine.


    Hehe, I use slrn as my Usenet client.
    https://slrn.info/links.html

    You can set SLRN_EDITOR=editor_of_your_choice_here
    and when you post/reply you will be in the editor of choice.

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  • From Bit Twister@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Tue Dec 20 15:31:40 2022
    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 13:18:31 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
    Bit Twister wrote:
    Hehe, I use slrn as my Usenet client.
    https://slrn.info/links.html

    You can set SLRN_EDITOR=editor_of_your_choice_here
    and when you post/reply you will be in the editor of choice.

    Long ago I considered messing around w/ slrn, back when Andrew had slrn
    pages on his 'little corner of the web' which has since been brought
    into Ub Help.

    Yeah, I have to pull it from sourceforge, and build it for secure connections to NNTPSERVER=snews://reader443.eternal-september.org


    I can't think of any text editors including those in mail/news agents
    which can easily reformat w/o 'building' some kind of regex or algo or
    macro to do it. Tb's isn't 'perfect' but it is pretty good.

    Me thinks slrn just adds the reply level indicators and calls editor
    of choice.

    Currently using geany as my editor.

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Bit Twister on Tue Dec 20 13:18:31 2022
    Bit Twister wrote:
    Hehe, I use slrn as my Usenet client.
    https://slrn.info/links.html

    You can set SLRN_EDITOR=editor_of_your_choice_here
    and when you post/reply you will be in the editor of choice.

    Long ago I considered messing around w/ slrn, back when Andrew had slrn
    pages on his 'little corner of the web' which has since been brought
    into Ub Help.

    My favorite text-interface news (&mail) agent is Alpine because of the
    way it has integrated its help and configuration into its interface. I
    always felt that strategy would be a good one for slrn and some other text-based tools.

    I can't think of any text editors including those in mail/news agents
    which can easily reformat w/o 'building' some kind of regex or algo or
    macro to do it. Tb's isn't 'perfect' but it is pretty good.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From stepore@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Tue Dec 20 19:08:05 2022
    On 12/19/22 23:50, Aragorn wrote:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a Usenet
    <snip>

    Good to know Marek is ok. Hope he's doing well.

    And I don't mean to hijack the thread but I hope Cybe R. Wizard is still
    around somewhere. Haven't heard from him for a long long while either,
    just seemed to vanish too.

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows
    <snip>
    I mean... I get not wanting to be on Usenet anymore, but not using
    Linux? No excuse for that. And Windows now! Only adds insult to injury. :-)

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 07:00:03 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 18:10, Killadebug scribbled:

    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 17:36:25 +0100, Aragorn wrote:

    I use KMail for email, but I use Claws Mail for Usenet. I would
    have preferred Pan, but Pan appears to be very unstable in Manjaro
    — it's a package we pull in directly from Arch. I've tried
    building it from (Arch's) sources on my own computer, but the
    result was the same; it crashes upon downloading the headers when
    freshly subscribing to a newsgroup.

    Just curious what version of Pan you tried out. I'm using Pan 0.145
    on LMDE 5 and it is pretty solid so far, no crashes, no loading or
    posting issues. I cannot say the same for Pan 0.146, that is pretty
    buggy, one of the biggest issues with it is I cannot post to a
    newsgroup either a followup or new post. So I've locked my system to
    stay on Pan 0.145.

    Oh gosh, I don't remember the version anymore. That was way back in May
    2019, after I had just installed Manjaro. I came from several years
    of PCLinuxOS at that point in time, where I had been using Pan without
    any problems — I liked its filtering, and how easy it was to edit the
    score file.

    But back then, Pan on Manjaro was problematic, and it appeared as if I
    was also the only person on the support forum who actually still
    monitored Usenet — I doubt whether that will have changed in the
    meantime — so I couldn't really get any advice or support there.

    I was also not involved with Manjaro itself yet at that point, and thus
    I also didn't know that the Pan in the Manjaro repository was simply the
    Arch package that was literally imported. But I was given the advice
    by a now former staff member to try the version in the AUR — the Arch
    User Repository, which contains user-maintained build scripts that pull
    in the upstream sources, whatever the upstream may be — and so I built
    it from scratch, but it was still just as broken as the one from the
    binary package.

    I then tried Thunderbird as an alternative for a while, but like I
    said, Thunderbird is a horrible newsreader — even though it supports
    Usenet, it was never designed to be anything more than an email client.
    And then that's when I installed Claws Mail. It's not that great as a newsreader either, but at least it's usable, and it's better than
    Thunderbird.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 07:11:53 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 11:21, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Aragorn wrote:
    Thunderbird is a horrible newsreader — it doesn't even recognize crossposts, and its filtering abilities are ridiculously inadequate
    for Usenet.

    Those are very true and very big deficiencies for a newsreader which
    is all I use Tb for.

    However, Claws won't compose/send in format=flowed and won't reformat/rewrap, both of which I consider my preferences for usenet.

    It doesn't do "format=flowed", but it does rewrap. However, it takes
    some minor intervention from the user. You have to put the cursor on a
    space between two words, delete the space and then retype it. This
    will automatically rewrap the text, albeit that it doesn't work well
    with nested quotes.

    Claws will only 'respect' format=flowed (not create) which isn't
    enough for me. Claws also has a problem about how it does quotes. A
    single quote character should be followed by a space, but 'nested' or
    stacked quotes should not have 'extra' spaces like that.

    So, I'm stuck w/ Tb deficiencies because I won't accept such as Claws deficiencies; it is a matter of 'choice'. Tb is also 'bloated'
    because of its policy of considering itself an html composer/renderer
    email agent which marries it to that moz engine.

    Yes, Thunderbird is really Firefox under the hood. That's another
    gripe I have with it: that whole HTML business.

    Back to your topic; does Marek participate in any 'online' activities (blogs, forums) related to his interest in languages?

    Only on Facebook, I believe, but not under the name Marek Novotny, and
    he wants to keep his real identity a secret — for obvious reasons, i.e.
    he has been dealing with a stalker for many years now, and that was the
    main reason he abandoned both Usenet and his YouTube channel.

    I know his real name, but I promised him I'm not going to reveal it,
    and so I won't.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 07:26:16 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 17:56, Jame O' Brian scribbled:

    On 20/12/2022 16:45, Aragorn wrote:
    Yes, he's alive and well — and in good health, albeit still on
    medication to stop him from developing a new embolism — but he's
    living a very different life now.

    There is normally no permanent treatment for mental illness but if
    you say he is in good health then so be it.

    I never said anything about any mental illness, and to the best of my knowledge, Marek is not afflicted with any mental illness. His stalker
    on the other hand, that's a whole other story.

    Marek suffered from a blood clot in his lung a couple of years ago, and
    that is why he is still taking medication for that, given how
    life-threatening a condition that is.

    He was afflicted with said blood clot just before he disappeared, and
    then my emails to his old email address bounced, which told me that the
    account had been suspended. This is why we presumed that he had passed
    away.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 21 07:31:40 2022
    On 20.12.2022 at 19:08, stepore scribbled:

    On 12/19/22 23:50, Aragorn wrote:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a
    Usenet

    Good to know Marek is ok. Hope he's doing well.

    He is, yes, but he's living a very different life now. ;)

    And I don't mean to hijack the thread but I hope Cybe R. Wizard is
    still around somewhere. Haven't heard from him for a long long while
    either, just seemed to vanish too.

    I haven't seen the Wiz in a long time anymore either, or for that
    matter, Wildman, who rewrote one of Marek's scripts in Python, I think.

    I was thinking about all of this just the other day.

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows

    I mean... I get not wanting to be on Usenet anymore, but not using
    Linux? No excuse for that. And Windows now! Only adds insult to
    injury. :-)

    I told him that too. I mean, Windows? How low can you go? :p :p

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Ken Hart@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Wed Dec 21 15:10:10 2022
    On 12/20/22 2:50 AM, Aragorn wrote:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken kind,
    not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although
    he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the people here
    whom he had befriended.

    Anyway, just thought I'd pass on the message, in case any of the people
    from back in those days are still monitoring the group — I myself
    haven't seen any of them post in a very long time anymore either, so I
    don't know whether they're still lurking or whether they too have moved
    on toward greener pastures.

    Cheers! :)


    I learned quite a few choice bits from Mr Novotny's posts.
    I am glad to hear he is well and content.

    Thank you!

    --
    Ken Hart
    kwhart1@centurylink.net

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  • From Dick_Holder@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Thu Dec 22 12:58:36 2022
    On 12/21/2022 1:31 AM, Aragorn wrote:
    On 20.12.2022 at 19:08, stepore scribbled:

    On 12/19/22 23:50, Aragorn wrote:
    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a
    Usenet

    Good to know Marek is ok. Hope he's doing well.

    He is, yes, but he's living a very different life now. ;)

    Once one stops tinkering all day with Linux, life gets simpler ;)

    And I don't mean to hijack the thread but I hope Cybe R. Wizard is
    still around somewhere. Haven't heard from him for a long long while
    either, just seemed to vanish too.

    I haven't seen the Wiz in a long time anymore either, or for that
    matter, Wildman, who rewrote one of Marek's scripts in Python, I think.

    Cyber Nancy figured out spell/grammar checking Usenet wasn't quite as
    needed as it once was ;-)

    I was thinking about all of this just the other day.

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using
    GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows

    I mean... I get not wanting to be on Usenet anymore, but not using
    Linux? No excuse for that. And Windows now! Only adds insult to
    injury. :-)

    I told him that too. I mean, Windows? How low can you go? :p :p


    Windows 11 is damned good, stable, dominating.
    Lots of people see the light... the struggle isn't worth it.

    No need to answer, just joking.
    I remember many of those posters from years ago.
    I always liked mach2 better than Marek ;)

    --
    M15r6
    i7-11800H
    16GB RAM
    RTX 3060
    240 Hz Display

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  • From Bud Frede@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Thu Dec 22 13:32:01 2022
    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken kind,
    not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although
    he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the people here
    whom he had befriended.


    Good to know he's still around and ok, although it makes me sad to hear
    that he's using Windows. :-)

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  • From Bud Frede@21:1/5 to Bit Twister on Thu Dec 22 13:34:14 2022
    Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> writes:

    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:21:23 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
    Aragorn wrote:
    Thunderbird is a horrible newsreader — it doesn't even recognize
    crossposts, and its filtering abilities are ridiculously inadequate for
    Usenet.

    Those are very true and very big deficiencies for a newsreader which is
    all I use Tb for.

    However, Claws won't compose/send in format=flowed and won't
    reformat/rewrap, both of which I consider my preferences for usenet.
    Claws will only 'respect' format=flowed (not create) which isn't enough
    for me. Claws also has a problem about how it does quotes. A single
    quote character should be followed by a space, but 'nested' or stacked
    quotes should not have 'extra' spaces like that.

    So, I'm stuck w/ Tb deficiencies because I won't accept such as Claws
    deficiencies; it is a matter of 'choice'. Tb is also 'bloated' because
    of its policy of considering itself an html composer/renderer email
    agent which marries it to that moz engine.


    Hehe, I use slrn as my Usenet client.
    https://slrn.info/links.html

    You can set SLRN_EDITOR=editor_of_your_choice_here
    and when you post/reply you will be in the editor of choice.

    I use gnus as my Usenet client. You can set it to use whatever editor
    you like, although I find that emacs works just fine for editing posts.
    :-)

    I use vim for all of my other editing though.

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 20:52:07 2022
    On 22.12.2022 at 13:32, Bud Frede scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    Greetings everyone,

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a
    Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in
    alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    Marek is not monitoring Usenet anymore, and he's also not even using GNU/Linux anymore. He got himself an off-the-shelf laptop with
    MS-Windows and he's now primarily studying languages — the spoken
    kind, not programming languages; he has left that world behind him, although he does say that he misses it, and that he also misses the
    people here whom he had befriended.


    Good to know he's still around and ok, although it makes me sad to
    hear that he's using Windows. :-)

    I can't argue with that. :p

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From andrew@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Fri Dec 23 05:18:15 2022
    On 2022-12-20, Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote:

    As the title of this thread says, our old friend Marek Novotny has
    requested that I'd say "hi" to the people he knew while he was a
    Usenet resident. Given that he was mostly active in
    alt.os.linux.ubuntu, I am posting this here. ;)

    And 'hi' back from me :)

    Andrew
    --
    You think that's air you're breathing now?

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  • From andrew@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Fri Dec 23 05:18:14 2022
    On 2022-12-20, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    Long ago I considered messing around w/ slrn, back when Andrew had
    slrn pages on his 'little corner of the web' which has since been
    brought into Ub Help.

    Every time I rewrite a section of that web site I wonder if I should
    write some more slrn information but I have not done so yet. Partly
    because Usenet has slowed down so much I guess.

    Mind you I am retired now so I should make a final effort with slrn documentation...

    Andrew
    --
    You think that's air you're breathing now?

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to andrew on Fri Dec 23 11:10:59 2022
    On 23 Dec 2022 05:18:14 GMT, andrew wrote:

    On 2022-12-20, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    Long ago I considered messing around w/ slrn, back when Andrew had
    slrn pages on his 'little corner of the web' which has since been
    brought into Ub Help.

    Every time I rewrite a section of that web site I wonder if I should
    write some more slrn information but I have not done so yet. Partly
    because Usenet has slowed down so much I guess.

    Mind you I am retired now so I should make a final effort with slrn documentation...

    Andrew

    Don't worry mate, we're happy to use 'tin' instead.

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  • From DanS@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Mon Dec 26 22:01:01 2022
    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote in
    news:20221220174017.1c088c34@nx-74205:

    On 20.12.2022 at 08:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an
    em-dash, it is going to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses
    ascii unless it needs something else, which alternately
    could be utf-8 but utf-8 won't do an em-dash w/o 'extras'
    so it uses q-p.

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all,
    and I'm not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your elitism. I don't know if it's
    the European in you, or your issues, probably a combination, but...

    ...joking or not...it's uncalled for.

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to DanS on Mon Dec 26 15:57:52 2022
    DanS wrote:
    Aragorn wrote:
    Mike Easter scribbled:
    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an
    em-dash, it is going to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses
    ascii unless it needs something else, which alternately
    could be utf-8 but utf-8 won't do an em-dash w/o 'extras'
    so it uses q-p.

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all,
    and I'm not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your elitism. I don't know if it's
    the European in you, or your issues, probably a combination, but...

    ...joking or not...it's uncalled for.

    I didn't interpret Aragon's remark as 'anti-American'.

    I interpreted it as referring to the 'fact' (or situation) that many
    agents 'choose' so-called 'us-ascii' whereas modernization has brought
    us to UTF-8 with which it is backward compatible, whereas some other 'modernizations' went ISO 8859-1 or ISO Latin 1 as opposed to other 8bit
    ISOs such as ISO8859-2 for eastern euro or iso8859-5 for such as
    cyrrilic or maybe something mcrosoftie like CP1252 superset of iso8859-1.

    That is, I consider utf-8 to be the most 'global' 8bit, not some of
    those others, and I don't consider it to be American or anti-American,
    whereas some of those others are more 'regional'.


    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to DanS on Mon Dec 26 16:13:05 2022
    DanS wrote:
    Aragorn

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all, and I'm
    not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your
    elitism. I don't know if it's the European in you, or your issues,
    probably a combination, but...

    ...joking or not...it's uncalled for.

    Oh; wait; I see.

    DanS is XNews.

    Xnews does not support UTF-8 (or any other character set encoding),
    making it difficult or even impossible to use for reading or posting
    articles in languages other than English.

    So, maybe he is 'sensitive' to what Aragorn posted here w/ a number of
    wonky char/s which required his Claws msg to be 'characterized' by UTF-8
    and quoted-printable.

    But, I don't consider UTF-8 to be 'non-American' so maybe DanS is
    calling out Aragorn for the words that implied that maybe Americans (and
    the use [by some of them] of antiquated encoding or charsets) weren't
    'modern' enough.

    I'm flopping around trying to find the 'offense' here :-)


    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 27 09:53:04 2022
    On 26.12.2022 at 22:01, DanS scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote in
    news:20221220174017.1c088c34@nx-74205:

    On 20.12.2022 at 08:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an
    em-dash, it is going to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses
    ascii unless it needs something else, which alternately
    could be utf-8 but utf-8 won't do an em-dash w/o 'extras'
    so it uses q-p.

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all,
    and I'm not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your
    elitism.

    I don't consider aligning myself with something the whole world has
    agreed upon, accepted and adopted more than two decades ago as
    any kind of elitism. As the matter of fact, I'd say that refusing to
    adopt such globally accepted standards out of a misplaced sense of
    nationalism would be a lot closer to elitism. And arrogance.

    I don't know if it's the European in you, or your issues,
    probably a combination, but...

    My "issues", eh? Yes, why not go ad hominem? You've always been so
    very good at that.

    Could the fact that you're still holding grudges against me after, what
    was it now, 10 or 12 years since we kicked your Microsoft fanboy ass
    around these parts, possibly be an indication of any issues that YOU
    might have?

    Don't answer that. It was a rhetorical question.

    ...joking or not...it's uncalled for.

    It was not a reference to Americans themselves, but to the fact that
    ASCII and ISO-8859-1 were specifically created to cover the English
    language — i.e. the Latin alphabet, possibly with a few diacritics
    added — as used in the USA, and that despite the fact that the Euro (€)
    as a currency has already been in use for 20 years, many American
    websites and email providers are still using ISO-8859-1 as their
    character encoding, even though said encoding doesn't even cover the
    Euro symbol, let alone any other languages than the Western-European
    ones.

    In fact, a variant of ISO-8859-1 encoding was created — ISO-8859-15 —
    which does include the Euro symbol, but even then still, Americans tend
    to stick to ISO-8859-1, let alone going with Unicode, which covers all
    that's covered in the different ISO encodings, and although different
    varieties of Unicode exist, they are all upward compatible with one
    another. UTF-8 covers all of the western languages, UTF-16 covers
    all of the same things as UTF-8 plus bidirectional script, and so on.

    In a way, I liken this conservative trend to stick with ISO-8859-1 to
    the American refusal to adopt the metric system, even though everyone
    else in the world has adopted the metric system and actively uses it,
    in the spirit of international cooperation and trade.

    And yes, I'm aware that the USA recognizes the metric system, but
    actually adopting it is still a very different thing.

    The bottom line is that as a European, ISO-8859-1 and ASCII do not
    cover my needs, nor those of the people in the rest of the world.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Bud Frede@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Sun Jan 1 09:37:20 2023
    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    On 26.12.2022 at 22:01, DanS scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote in
    news:20221220174017.1c088c34@nx-74205:

    On 20.12.2022 at 08:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an
    em-dash, it is going to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses
    ascii unless it needs something else, which alternately
    could be utf-8 but utf-8 won't do an em-dash w/o 'extras'
    so it uses q-p.

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all,
    and I'm not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your
    elitism.

    I don't consider aligning myself with something the whole world has
    agreed upon, accepted and adopted more than two decades ago as
    any kind of elitism. As the matter of fact, I'd say that refusing to
    adopt such globally accepted standards out of a misplaced sense of nationalism would be a lot closer to elitism. And arrogance.

    I'm a USAian, and I don't have any problem with UTF-8.

    (I don't like the term "American," because it assumes that only the US
    is important out of all the countries in the Americas.)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Bud Frede on Sun Jan 1 08:11:09 2023
    On 1/1/23 06:37, Bud Frede wrote:
    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    On 26.12.2022 at 22:01, DanS scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote in
    news:20221220174017.1c088c34@nx-74205:

    On 20.12.2022 at 08:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    Mike Easter wrote:
    Aha.  Claws default is 7bit ascii; if you put in an
    em-dash, it is going to have to deal w/ that somehow.

    Actually claws default charset is 'auto' which it uses
    ascii unless it needs something else, which alternately
    could be utf-8 but utf-8 won't do an em-dash w/o 'extras'
    so it uses q-p.

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all,
    and I'm not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your
    elitism.

    I don't consider aligning myself with something the whole world has
    agreed upon, accepted and adopted more than two decades ago as
    any kind of elitism. As the matter of fact, I'd say that refusing to
    adopt such globally accepted standards out of a misplaced sense of
    nationalism would be a lot closer to elitism. And arrogance.

    I'm a USAian, and I don't have any problem with UTF-8.

    (I don't like the term "American," because it assumes that only the US
    is important out of all the countries in the Americas.)

    I can only agree. I live in the USA, a country but North and South America are full of other nations. And the USA is a collection of
    ill-suited allied states. All of us on two continents are Americans
    even if not citizens of the USA.

    bliss

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 17:17:36 2023
    On 01.01.2023 at 09:37, Bud Frede scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    On 26.12.2022 at 22:01, DanS scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote in
    news:20221220174017.1c088c34@nx-74205:

    I use UTF-8 everywhere. It's the 21st century, after all,
    and I'm not an American. :p

    I don't know how the 'Americans' here don't call you out on your
    elitism.

    I don't consider aligning myself with something the whole world has
    agreed upon, accepted and adopted more than two decades ago as
    any kind of elitism. As the matter of fact, I'd say that refusing to
    adopt such globally accepted standards out of a misplaced sense of nationalism would be a lot closer to elitism. And arrogance.

    I'm a USAian, and I don't have any problem with UTF-8.

    I knew YOU wouldn't. ;)

    (I don't like the term "American," because it assumes that only the US
    is important out of all the countries in the Americas.)

    I agree with that vantage, and in general, I will commonly use the term
    "US American" to refer to the inhabitants of the USA, and "North
    American" when referring to anyone living in the USA, Canada or Mexico.

    Anyway, getting slightly back on-topic, this thread was about Marek
    saying "hi", and even though those who knew Marek while he was here
    — myself included — were under the mistaken impression for a while
    that Marek had passed away due to his embolism, he is alive and well.

    The above paragraph then also nicely segues into something I said
    earlier on this thread, because I too am now sharing Marek's
    health-related fate, namely, I had a (mild) stroke on Boxing Day, and I
    was in hospital from Tuesday the 27th until the evening of the 30th.

    At the moment, I am "fully functional", but my left knee is very weak,
    and my upper left arm is completely numb, as if it has been
    anesthetized. This numbness extends upwards onto my left ear and
    the rear part of my left cheek, as well as downward to below my
    left elbow.

    My hands are functioning normally — I can obviously type with both
    hands, and I can even still play the guitar — but while I was having
    the stroke, my whole left arm was numb and I couldn't move the fingers
    of my left hand. It was like my left arm didn't belong to me anymore.
    My neck was also numb, and I had a bad headache and a pain in my neck.
    My cognitive functions were still fine, though.

    According to my neurologist and cardiologist, the stroke was caused by excessive blood pressure and a too high cholesterol level. There's no
    doubt on my mind that my unhealthy feeding habits — and the fact that
    I'm an ardent smoker — will have been the primary cause, but there have
    in the past couple of months also been some extremely traumatic events
    in my personal life that have chased my blood pressure up very high and
    that may as such have contributed to the release of thrombotic
    particles into my blood stream, ultimately then culminating in this
    stroke.

    Considering that I'm still well off compared to other people who've had
    a stroke — things could have been much worse — I consider it a warning
    shot across my bow, and therefore I must drastically change my
    lifestyle.

    I know I cannot quit smoking, but I can at least cut it down somewhat —
    as the matter of fact, I'm already doing that right now. I've also
    stopped adding salt to my food — I used to overdo it in that
    area — and I've also gone almost entirely sugar-free.

    Either way, as a result of the stroke and the very brief reoccurrence of animosity on this thread, I have now made my choice on account of my
    earlier indecision regarding whether or not to leave Usenet, as I had
    already touched upon earlier in this thread.

    I don't like cutting ties, and I've been a steady Usenet denizen for
    some 24 years now, but the times have changed, and too many of the
    familiar faces have already long sought out greener pastures. So,
    keeping my health in mind, and the fact that I can't cope very well
    with hostilities — I've never been good with that — I've decided that
    it's going to be better for my wellbeing if I leave Usenet behind me.

    I'm not abandoning the GNU/Linux community, of course. First and
    foremost, I will remain a big fan of the GNU/Linux operating system and
    a big advocate of Free/Libre & Open Source Software until my dying day,
    and I am still a moderator and active helper at the official Manjaro
    support forum — until very recently I was also the Manjaro forum member
    with the highest number of accepted solutions behind their name, but I
    have now been overtaken by one of the forum administrators — as well
    that I'm also a mostly lurking but occasionally active member at the
    official PCLinuxOS forum, both under the same identity as I'm using
    here on Usenet.

    (I haven't always been Aragorn on Usenet, though. In the years before
    2003 I was posting under the name BeoWulf, with an uppercase "W" in the
    middle, but because people in real life started calling me Aragorn due
    to what they perceived as a physical likeness between myself and Viggo Mortensen — if anyone here truly has been living under a rock, Viggo
    was the actor who played Aragorn in the "Lord of the Rings" movies — and because I was also dealing with a very malicious stalker in real life
    in those days, I switched my online identity to the one I have now.)

    Anyway, if anyone wants to reach me after my departure from Usenet —
    just to say "hi" or something — the email address next to my name
    does work. It's a simple email proxy — freely available
    from and at duckduckgo.com — that automatically redirects everything to
    my real email address while stripping out the tracking code from the
    emails in the process.

    This leaves me to bid you all a very happy 2023, and I mean that,
    because 2022 was a stinker of a year, as were 2021 and 2020 before it.

    Maybe we'll meet again — who knows? ;)

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Bud Frede on Sun Jan 1 09:46:02 2023
    Bud Frede wrote:
    (I don't like the term "American," because it assumes that only the US
    is important out of all the countries in the Americas.)

    Language is an evolutionary thing. It has been many decades since I
    'griped' about calling the US 'America' -- but, geographically the
    Americas consist of N America and S America, and gradually America
    (without qualifier) 'came to' mean the US to 'everybody' including all
    of those people in all of those other countries of N & S America.

    I think saying 'USian' or such is fine, I tend to refer to people of or
    their countries by their 2 letter country names when I'm posting msg/s
    on usenet, such as .us or .jp.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Henry Crun@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Mon Jan 2 03:10:38 2023
    On 01/01/2023 18:17, Aragorn wrote:
    On 01.01.2023 at 09:37, Bud Frede scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    On 26.12.2022 at 22:01, DanS scribbled:


    <major snip...>

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> wrote in
    news:20221220174017.1c088c34@nx-74205:

    0 before it.

    Maybe we'll meet again — who knows? ;)


    @Aragorn:
    Thanks for much useful, sensible advice over the past years (decades?)

    Stay well for many more.

    Mike

    --
    No Micro$oft products were used in the URLs above, or in preparing this message.
    Recommended reading: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#befor

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  • From Bud Frede@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Wed Jan 4 14:55:37 2023
    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:


    I know I cannot quit smoking, but I can at least cut it down somewhat —
    as the matter of fact, I'm already doing that right now. I've also
    stopped adding salt to my food — I used to overdo it in that
    area — and I've also gone almost entirely sugar-free.


    I smoked for many years, but was finally able to quit about 15 years
    ago. It's possible to quit, but you have to really want to quit and keep
    at it. I tried quitting many times and then finally it worked.

    I hope you get better and remain healthy! I don't know if you'll see
    this since you're leaving Usenet...

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 21:19:04 2023
    On 04.01.2023 at 14:55, Bud Frede scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    I know I cannot quit smoking, but I can at least cut it down
    somewhat — as the matter of fact, I'm already doing that right now.
    I've also stopped adding salt to my food — I used to overdo it in
    that area — and I've also gone almost entirely sugar-free.

    I smoked for many years, but was finally able to quit about 15 years
    ago. It's possible to quit, but you have to really want to quit and
    keep at it. I tried quitting many times and then finally it worked.

    I don't think I have the courage. I've tried quitting a couple of
    times as well, but I just couldn't bear it. And, it's my only vice. I
    don't drink and I've never done any drugs in my life — not even pot.

    My brother has officially quit smoking, but he'll still smoke every once
    in a while, when nobody's looking. He just doesn't want his wife to
    know that he does it. ;)

    I hope you get better and remain healthy!

    Thank you! It's not fun having to go through this. I'm not afraid of
    dying, but this was not the way I would have wanted to go.

    A stroke is one of the scariest things to go through, because you know
    deep down inside that there's a chance you'll end up a vegetable,
    having to rely on medical caregivers for everything. I wouldn't want
    to lose my autonomy, or for that matter, my dignity.

    I don't know if you'll see this since you're leaving Usenet...

    I'm still keeping Claws Mail open until the end of the week, just in
    case someone still wants to say goodbye — you never know who of the
    long-time regulars might still be lurking but hasn't been posting
    anymore in ages. ;-)

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Bud Frede on Wed Jan 4 12:17:24 2023
    Bud Frede wrote:
    It's possible to quit, but you have to really want to quit and keep
    at it. I tried quitting many times and then finally it worked.

    Funny how that works. I smoked for over 3 decades, from junior high and
    never 'tried' to quit. For a trivial reason a decade or two back, I
    decided to just 'lay off' for a few days (as opposed to 'deciding' to
    quit) and some unexpected 'results' or events caused/motivated me to
    'persist' in that layoff indefinitely and I never smoked again.

    I used little 'tricks' I had heard about in stifling the 'urge' to
    smoke, which went on for some weeks or even months, but it wasn't
    actually difficult for me.

    I think it is easier if you don't do it at all, rather than cutting down
    or 'trying to quit' and deciding it is too much trouble right now or
    some such rationalization.

    I think the nicotine relationship/craving is *just* one thing, and the 'behavioral' habit is another. Smoking involves some ritualism, some
    'breaks', some social aspects that we are accustomed.

    Depending on where and how you live today, smoking makes one a pariah.
    In my earlier days, 'all of us' smoked everywhere; airplanes, offices, restaurants. Nowadays we have communities and locations where it isn't
    even 'legal' to smoke outside. That would cramp one's smoking 'style'.

    --
    Mike Easter

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  • From Aragorn@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 21:25:20 2023
    On 04.01.2023 at 12:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    I think the nicotine relationship/craving is *just* one thing, and
    the 'behavioral' habit is another. Smoking involves some ritualism,
    some 'breaks', some social aspects that we are accustomed.

    Yes, that is very true.

    Depending on where and how you live today, smoking makes one a
    pariah.

    And that is most certainly true as well.

    In my earlier days, 'all of us' smoked everywhere; airplanes,
    offices, restaurants.

    Yes, indeed. And even in places where you could not smoke, there would
    be a designated smoking corner. But that's all gone nowadays.

    Nowadays we have communities and locations where it isn't even
    'legal' to smoke outside. That would cramp one's smoking 'style'.

    It's the same over here in Europe, if not worse.


    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Wed Jan 4 13:30:49 2023
    On 1/4/23 12:19, Aragorn wrote:
    On 04.01.2023 at 14:55, Bud Frede scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    I know I cannot quit smoking, but I can at least cut it down
    somewhat — as the matter of fact, I'm already doing that right now.
    I've also stopped adding salt to my food — I used to overdo it in
    that area — and I've also gone almost entirely sugar-free.

    I smoked for many years, but was finally able to quit about 15 years
    ago. It's possible to quit, but you have to really want to quit and
    keep at it. I tried quitting many times and then finally it worked

    I don't think I have the courage. I've tried quitting a couple of
    times as well, but I just couldn't bear it. And, it's my only vice. I
    don't drink and I've never done any drugs in my life — not even pot.


    Please Aragorn do your best to stop smoking. My roomie wha was about 75 died in July 2022. She has started when she was 14 yoa and
    stopped about 45 or 50 years later. She was treated for Lung Cancer
    and began to recover and had every hope of returning to work last
    winter but in February she experienced an inability to find her
    words. I hoped it was only a stroke but it turned out that the cancer
    had metastasized to her brain. It was treated with radiation and we
    hoped that she would get strong enough for chemotherapy but it was
    not to be.
    Please stop smoking.

    And I would mourn you more than the roomie.

    bliss - PCLinux is how I get here but Linux is the thing.

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com




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  • From Andrei Z.@21:1/5 to Bobbie Sellers on Thu Jan 5 08:57:23 2023
    Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 1/4/23 12:19, Aragorn wrote:
    On 04.01.2023 at 14:55, Bud Frede scribbled:

    Aragorn <telcontar@duck.com> writes:

    I know I cannot quit smoking, but I can at least cut it down
    somewhat — as the matter of fact, I'm already doing that right now.
      I've also stopped adding salt to my food — I used to overdo it in >>>> that area — and I've also gone almost entirely sugar-free.

    I smoked for many years, but was finally able to quit about 15 years
    ago. It's possible to quit, but you have to really want to quit and
    keep at it. I tried quitting many times and then finally it worked

    I don't think I have the courage.  I've tried quitting a couple of
    times as well, but I just couldn't bear it.  And, it's my only vice.  I
    don't drink and I've never done any drugs in my life — not even pot.


        Please Aragorn do your best to stop smoking.  My roomie wha was about 75 died in July 2022.  She has started when she was 14 yoa and
    stopped about 45 or 50 years later.  She was treated for Lung Cancer
    and began to recover and had every hope of returning to work last
    winter but in February she experienced an inability to find her
    words.  I hoped it was only a stroke but it turned out that the cancer
    had metastasized to her brain.  It was treated with radiation and we
    hoped that she would get strong enough for chemotherapy but it was
    not to be.
        Please stop smoking.

    What happens to your body when you quit smoking

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-01-body.html

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  • From Killadebug@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Thu Jan 5 14:34:11 2023
    On Wed, 04 Jan 2023 21:25:20 +0100, Aragorn wrote:

    On 04.01.2023 at 12:17, Mike Easter scribbled:

    I think the nicotine relationship/craving is *just* one thing, and the
    'behavioral' habit is another. Smoking involves some ritualism,
    some 'breaks', some social aspects that we are accustomed.

    Yes, that is very true.

    Depending on where and how you live today, smoking makes one a pariah.

    And that is most certainly true as well.

    In my earlier days, 'all of us' smoked everywhere; airplanes, offices,
    restaurants.

    Yes, indeed. And even in places where you could not smoke, there would
    be a designated smoking corner. But that's all gone nowadays.

    Nowadays we have communities and locations where it isn't even 'legal'
    to smoke outside. That would cramp one's smoking 'style'.

    It's the same over here in Europe, if not worse.


    I was a three pack a day smoker for years...I quit when they were 60
    cents a pack. The only way to quit is cold turkey. You are and I was a
    nicotine addict, I do not mean that in a bad way, it is just a fact. The
    only way to beat the addiction is to stop. It takes about 2 weeks for
    your body to no longer be addicted to nicotine, however after that it is
    a very long and difficult road to changing you habit. A couple of my
    habits were whenever the phone ranf (landline phone) I would reach in my
    pocket and search for my pack of cigarettes (weird huh) another one was
    hanging out in the local bar, shooting pool and having a beer, bars are
    full of cigarette smoke, so that was the best place to test my resolve to
    quit, that I was a pretty good pool player.

    Still to this day when I walk thru cigarette smoke that someone has
    exhaled I still have to urge to smoke one. It is a fleeting urge, and
    quickly disappears, but it is still there after all these years.

    So my advice to you is to just quit. Not easy to do, but it is the only
    way forward.

    Good luck, I'm going to miss your many intelligent and helpful posts on
    usenet.




    --
    Pull my finger

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  • From Dan C@21:1/5 to Aragorn on Thu Jan 26 03:45:48 2023
    On Sun, 1 Jan 2023 17:17:36 +0100, Aragorn wrote:

    Anyway, getting slightly back on-topic, this thread was about Marek
    saying "hi", and even though those who knew Marek while he was here — myself included — were under the mistaken impression for a while that
    Marek had passed away due to his embolism, he is alive and well.

    I think this is made-up bullshit. Nobody just completely gives up
    computers and related things like that, and switches to Windows and
    "studies languages".

    The above paragraph then also nicely segues into something I said
    earlier on this thread, because I too am now sharing Marek's
    health-related fate, namely, I had a (mild) stroke on Boxing Day, and I
    was in hospital from Tuesday the 27th until the evening of the 30th.

    At the moment, I am "fully functional", but my left knee is very weak,
    and my upper left arm is completely numb, as if it has been
    anesthetized. This numbness extends upwards onto my left ear and the
    rear part of my left cheek, as well as downward to below my left elbow.

    My hands are functioning normally — I can obviously type with both
    hands, and I can even still play the guitar — but while I was having the stroke, my whole left arm was numb and I couldn't move the fingers of my
    left hand. It was like my left arm didn't belong to me anymore.
    My neck was also numb, and I had a bad headache and a pain in my neck.
    My cognitive functions were still fine, though.

    According to my neurologist and cardiologist, the stroke was caused by excessive blood pressure and a too high cholesterol level. There's no
    doubt on my mind that my unhealthy feeding habits — and the fact that
    I'm an ardent smoker — will have been the primary cause, but there have
    in the past couple of months also been some extremely traumatic events
    in my personal life that have chased my blood pressure up very high and
    that may as such have contributed to the release of thrombotic particles
    into my blood stream, ultimately then culminating in this stroke.

    Considering that I'm still well off compared to other people who've had
    a stroke — things could have been much worse — I consider it a warning shot across my bow, and therefore I must drastically change my
    lifestyle.

    I know I cannot quit smoking, but I can at least cut it down somewhat —
    as the matter of fact, I'm already doing that right now. I've also
    stopped adding salt to my food — I used to overdo it in that area — and I've also gone almost entirely sugar-free.

    What a complete dumb-ass. Has a stroke and has *ALL* the classic causes
    of such a thing, and decides to not change much. Your next stroke will
    be right along...

    Either way, as a result of the stroke and the very brief reoccurrence of animosity on this thread, I have now made my choice on account of my
    earlier indecision regarding whether or not to leave Usenet, as I had
    already touched upon earlier in this thread.

    I don't like cutting ties, and I've been a steady Usenet denizen for
    some 24 years now, but the times have changed, and too many of the
    familiar faces have already long sought out greener pastures. So,
    keeping my health in mind, and the fact that I can't cope very well with hostilities — I've never been good with that — I've decided that it's going to be better for my wellbeing if I leave Usenet behind me.

    Great news. Good riddance.

    I'm not abandoning the GNU/Linux community, of course. First and
    foremost, I will remain a big fan of the GNU/Linux operating system and
    a big advocate of Free/Libre & Open Source Software until my dying day,
    and I am still a moderator and active helper at the official Manjaro
    support forum — until very recently I was also the Manjaro forum member with the highest number of accepted solutions behind their name, but I
    have now been overtaken by one of the forum administrators — as well
    that I'm also a mostly lurking but occasionally active member at the
    official PCLinuxOS forum, both under the same identity as I'm using here
    on Usenet.

    ...<YAWN>...

    (I haven't always been Aragorn on Usenet, though. In the years before
    2003 I was posting under the name BeoWulf, with an uppercase "W" in the middle, but because people in real life started calling me Aragorn due
    to what they perceived as a physical likeness between myself and Viggo Mortensen — if anyone here truly has been living under a rock, Viggo was the actor who played Aragorn in the "Lord of the Rings" movies — and because I was also dealing with a very malicious stalker in real life in those days, I switched my online identity to the one I have now.)

    No one cares about stupid bullshit like that.

    Anyway, if anyone wants to reach me after my departure from Usenet —
    just to say "hi" or something — the email address next to my name does work. It's a simple email proxy — freely available from and at duckduckgo.com — that automatically redirects everything to my real
    email address while stripping out the tracking code from the emails in
    the process.

    No one cares about doing that, either.

    This leaves me to bid you all a very happy 2023, and I mean that,
    because 2022 was a stinker of a year, as were 2021 and 2020 before it.

    Bugger off, loser.


    --
    "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
    "Bother!" said Pooh, as Piglet pulled out the Anal Intruder.
    Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
    Thanks, Obama: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/politica/thanks.jpg

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