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  • Re: Akonadi_Control Crashes On Boot, But Then Re-Starts 1 Minute Later

    From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what Dr. Noah Bodie on Sun Dec 3 11:35:38 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 12/3/23 11:27 AM, this is what Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    This only happens on one user account, the others are ok.

    These are the error messages I get, is there any way to fix this?

    Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource' crashed. No restart!

    Application 'akonadiserver' exited normally...
    Is this a native application? I don't see it in my repositories.
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  • From Dr. Noah Bodie@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 3 12:27:05 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    This only happens on one user account, the others are ok.

    These are the error messages I get, is there any way to fix this?

    Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource' crashed. No restart!

    Application 'akonadiserver' exited normally...

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  • From Dr. Noah Bodie@21:1/5 to Big Al on Sun Dec 3 13:53:43 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 12/03/2023 12:35 PM, Big Al wrote:
    On 12/3/23 11:27 AM, this is what Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    This only happens on one user account, the others are ok.

    These are the error messages I get, is there any way to fix this?

    Connecting to deprecated signal
    QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent' crashed. No
    restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped
    unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource' crashed. No restart!

    Application 'akonadiserver' exited normally...
    Is this a native application? I don't see it in my repositories.

    i installed kalarm and that pulls in akonadi, and some other files.

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  • From Dr. Noah Bodie@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 3 13:55:18 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    Also got this error:

    Collection "Search" (id: 1) has no RID

    (not sure if it is related to the problem)

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Dr. Noah Bodie on Sun Dec 3 13:29:32 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 12/3/2023 12:55 PM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    Also got this error:

    Collection "Search" (id: 1) has no RID

    (not sure if it is related to the problem)


    You should tell us a bit about your system.

    $ inxi -S
    System:
    Host: SUPERFLY Kernel: 6.2.0-26-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: GNOME <===
    v: 44.2 Distro: Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster)

    $ cat /etc/lsb-release
    DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
    DISTRIB_RELEASE=23.04
    DISTRIB_CODENAME=lunar
    DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 23.04"

    If I attempt to install KAlarm (a KDE thing, on a non-KDE desktop environment), that pulls in 200+ packages at installation time. Have you at least, rebooted ? It could be, something that was supposed to start, to support it, isn't running at the moment.

    Paul

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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to Dr. Noah Bodie on Sun Dec 3 15:01:58 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 12/3/23 11:27 AM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    This only happens on one user account, the others are ok.

    These are the error messages I get, is there any way to fix this?

    Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_birthdays_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_mailfilter_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_indexing_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_sendlater_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_newmailnotifier_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_archivemail_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_akonotes_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildispatcher_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_ical_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_maildir_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_followupreminder_agent' crashed. No
    restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_migration_agent' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource" stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_kalarm_resource' crashed. No restart!

    ProcessControl: Application "/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource"
    stopped unexpectedly ( "Process crashed" )
    Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_contacts_resource' crashed. No restart!

    Application 'akonadiserver' exited normally...
    This same thing happened to me but by a different path. Somehow I
    updated (without my direct knowledge) a program
    msql-8.0=8.0.35-0Buntu0.20.04.1

    My solution was to go to an earlier backup, I lost about of month of datas.

    I see that Msql update in my Blacklist.

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  • From Dr. Noah Bodie@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Dec 4 07:53:54 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    On 12/03/2023 02:29 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 12/3/2023 12:55 PM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    Also got this error:

    Collection "Search" (id: 1) has no RID

    (not sure if it is related to the problem)


    You should tell us a bit about your system.

    $ inxi -S
    System:
    Host: SUPERFLY Kernel: 6.2.0-26-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: GNOME <===
    v: 44.2 Distro: Ubuntu 23.04 (Lunar Lobster)

    $ cat /etc/lsb-release
    DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
    DISTRIB_RELEASE=23.04
    DISTRIB_CODENAME=lunar
    DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 23.04"

    If I attempt to install KAlarm (a KDE thing, on a non-KDE desktop environment),
    that pulls in 200+ packages at installation time. Have you at least, rebooted ?
    It could be, something that was supposed to start, to support it, isn't running
    at the moment.

    Paul

    this crash started after i did a *failed* update and then Time-Shifted
    back to an earlier version. akonadi only crashes and then restarts on my primary user account, my other accounts don't get this error.


    System:
    Host: mx Kernel: 5.10.0-9mx-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.2
    Distro: MX-19.4_x64 patito feo May 31 2020

    ---

    cat /etc/lsb-release
    PRETTY_NAME="MX 19.4 patito feo"
    DISTRIB_ID=MX
    DISTRIB_RELEASE=19.4
    DISTRIB_CODENAME="patito feo"
    DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="MX 19.4 patito feo"

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Dr. Noah Bodie on Mon Dec 4 10:55:28 2023
    XPost: alt.os.linux.mint

    Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
    this crash started after i did a *failed* update and then
    Time-Shifted back to an earlier version. akonadi only crashes and
    then restarts on my primary user account, my other accounts don't get
    this error.

    Altho' this discussion is in a Mint forum and you are MX, it might be
    useful.

    https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=264682 How to fix Akonadi personal information management PIM service not operational

    See the one by ozdroggy ยป Tue May 08, 2018 6:10 am

    It is old '18, back when Mint had a KDE. Personally I avoid
    implementing apps which are based on the 'wrong' toolset DE such as a
    KDE on a non-KDE base, because it needs to 'junk up' my system w/ a
    bunch of dependencies that would otherwise be unnecessary.

    You get a lot of baggage just for a trivial kalarm function.

    From a similarly old '16 msg in an xfce forum:
    I think XFCE is missing a good kalarm alternative... something that
    can keep a reminder on top of all other windows until you either
    decide to postpone or mark as done. What do you guys think?

    Both orage and xfce4-timer-plugin can do alarms. However, I'm not at
    all familiar with kalarm so I'm not sure if they have the same
    functionality.



    --
    Mike Easter

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