On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
On 4/26/2024 3:05 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major
changes to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
Kubuntu 24.10
Ubuntu Studio 24.04
Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
Ubuntu MATE 24.04
Xubuntu 24.04
Lubuntu 24.04
Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)
well, yeah, they do a release every half a year for all of them.
it's kinda easy to be active if you release something on a 6 month schedule.
How much they actually change is I guess a bit up for debate. I remember a few where besides
cosmetic changes nothing obvious really changed. On the other hand that's better for people who need
a stable work environment. (hint towards Microsoft...)
On 4/25/24 03:21 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
On 4/25/2024 5:30 AM, Jack wrote:Ubuntu seems to be really active on releases.
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
the shelves? do they even still make physical media?
See Distro Watch and look at their list of releases.
Kubuntu 24.10
Ubuntu Studio 24.04
Ubuntu Budgie 24.4
Ubuntu Cinnamon 24.04
Ubuntu MATE 24.04
Xubuntu 24.04
Lubuntu 24.04
Ubuntu 24.04 (of course)
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at
this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
On 4/24/24 10:30 PM, Jack wrote:
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes
to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
Now that I've been using 24.04 for a week or so, I see nothing different from 22.04 other than whenI made a partition and added it to my boot. I looked at that first web page of 20 new things, a
I check for updates, at least I am no longer urged to switch to Pro.
Im going to stick mainly with Ubuntu.
I'm always popping the HD into newer mobos and 100% of the time, the OS
has just booted up smoothly and worked.
My Mint 20.3 will not boot on any H/W other than that where it was
originally installed.
philo wrote:
Im going to stick mainly with Ubuntu.
I'm always popping the HD into newer mobos and 100% of the time, the OS
has just booted up smoothly and worked.
My Mint 20.3 will not boot on any H/W other than that where it was
originally installed.
Yes, unfortunately the concept op Plug andd Play is still unknown to Mint/Linux. Try changing a video card just for fun...
I mean, how hard can it be:
"Hey, I see some new stuff in your pc. Do you want me to forget the old
stuff and set up the new thing?"
Windows can do it, so why can't Mint/Linux...
On 5/31/24 22:53, Monsieur wrote:
philo wrote:
Im going to stick mainly with Ubuntu.Yes, unfortunately the concept op Plug andd Play is still unknown to
I'm always popping the HD into newer mobos and 100% of the time, the OS
has just booted up smoothly and worked.
My Mint 20.3 will not boot on any H/W other than that where it was
originally installed.
Mint/Linux. Try changing a video card just for fun...
I mean, how hard can it be:
"Hey, I see some new stuff in your pc. Do you want me to forget the
old stuff and set up the new thing?"
Windows can do it, so why can't Mint/Linux...
Very simple reply. Cards of any sort provide drivers
for Windows. Some cards and other accessories provide drivers for GNU/Linux0. Others do not. To get drivers for these cards Linux
coders need the cards. If you want to buy them a card to try
their coding skills on, give thmm the cards or the money to
afford the cards you want to have covered by Linux drivers and
mods.
Now if the cards are new, the latest, greatest SOTA,
whatever; the chances may be low that they will be included with
a Linux Distribution that is not large. Older cards are usual
covered but recently nvidia cards have not had the dame degree
of support that was provided in previous years. Generally the
older drivers can found especially if you have a good User
Forum to ask questions in. Now if i had a desktop/tower I
would back up then wipe the install and re-install with the
new piece of hardware in place. That way you may find that
the hardware is supported by your updated distribution.
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:
On 5/31/24 22:53, Monsieur wrote:
philo wrote:
Im going to stick mainly with Ubuntu.Yes, unfortunately the concept op Plug andd Play is still unknown to
I'm always popping the HD into newer mobos and 100% of the time, the OS >>>> has just booted up smoothly and worked.
My Mint 20.3 will not boot on any H/W other than that where it was
originally installed.
Mint/Linux. Try changing a video card just for fun...
I mean, how hard can it be:
"Hey, I see some new stuff in your pc. Do you want me to forget the
old stuff and set up the new thing?"
Windows can do it, so why can't Mint/Linux...
Very simple reply. Cards of any sort provide drivers
for Windows. Some cards and other accessories provide drivers for
GNU/Linux0. Others do not. To get drivers for these cards Linux
coders need the cards. If you want to buy them a card to try
their coding skills on, give thmm the cards or the money to
afford the cards you want to have covered by Linux drivers and
mods.
Now if the cards are new, the latest, greatest SOTA,
whatever; the chances may be low that they will be included with
a Linux Distribution that is not large. Older cards are usual
covered but recently nvidia cards have not had the dame degree
of support that was provided in previous years. Generally the
older drivers can found especially if you have a good User
Forum to ask questions in. Now if i had a desktop/tower I
would back up then wipe the install and re-install with the
new piece of hardware in place. That way you may find that
the hardware is supported by your updated distribution.
I run Linux Mint. I just tried switching between 3 different ATI
graphics cards and 2 different Nvidia ones. I didn't have any trouble
with any of them and the normal free software drivers. I don't know what
it's like with Nvidia's grotty closed-source drivers since I don't use
them. In fact, I avoid Nvidia anything these days, but happen to have a couple of their graphics cards that are pulls from old machines I got.
Dunno what Arlen is talking about.
On 5/31/24 05:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 4/24/24 10:30 PM, Jack wrote:I made a partition and added it to my boot. I looked at that first web
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu
website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some
at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
Now that I've been using 24.04 for a week or so, I see nothing
different from 22.04 other than when I check for updates, at least I
am no longer urged to switch to Pro.
page of 20 new things, a good amount I don't use, might but don't. I suppose this is all in the YMMV scenario. The One Drive access might be nice.
Excuse me, the one drive??
Isn't that a windows thing?
Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com> writes:
Excuse me, the one drive??
Isn't that a windows thing?
Was. Apparently there's a Linux client now and it's FOSS.
On 5/31/24 23:57, Big Al wrote:
On 5/31/24 05:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 4/24/24 10:30 PM, Jack wrote:good amount I don't use, might but don't. I suppose this is all in the YMMV scenario. The One
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major
changes to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
Now that I've been using 24.04 for a week or so, I see nothing different from 22.04 other than
when I check for updates, at least I am no longer urged to switch to Pro. >> I made a partition and added it to my boot. I looked at that first web page of 20 new things, a
Drive access might be nice.
Excuse me, the one drive??
Isn't that a windows thing?
If so, what is nice about handing over your last bit of privacy to windows?
No idea what FOSS is other then yet again another abbreviation. :-)
On 5/31/24 23:57, Big Al wrote:
On 5/31/24 05:02 PM, philo wrote:
On 4/24/24 10:30 PM, Jack wrote:I made a partition and added it to my boot. I looked at that first web page of 20 new things, a good amount I don't use, might but don't. I suppose this is all in the YMMV scenario. The One Drive access might be nice.
Ubuntu 24.04 will hit the shelves today and according to OMGUbuntu website there are major changes to look out for. He has listed some at this link:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-lts-20-changes-to-look-out-for>
The beta changes were these:
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/04/ubuntu-24-04-beta-released>
I suspect all the beta features have survived in the RTM version.
Good luck and post your views about this new release.
Now that I've been using 24.04 for a week or so, I see nothing different from 22.04 other than when I check for updates, at least I am no longer urged to switch to Pro.
Excuse me, the one drive??
Isn't that a windows thing?
If so, what is nice about handing over your last bit of privacy to windows?
Edmund wrote:
No idea what FOSS is other then yet again another abbreviation. :-)
In defense of abbreviations;
 - this is a linux group, and even 'beyond' linux I would have assumed
that 'everyone' (everyone is never everyone just like never is almost
never never) knew FOSS
 - FOSS = free and open source software, where the meaning of 'free' is libre
 - I'm someone who uses 'specific' abbreviations 'all the time' having their meaning defined in the same 'visual' context where the 'expanded' abbreviation is visible in the same context, eg using the initials of a familiar or recent msg poster eg BA could = Big Al
 - if you don't recognize some abbreviation, particularly if you wish
there were less of them, you should learn how to find out what one
means, ranging from checking the wp to using a dictionary of acronyms
and abbreviations
 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software
[...]
I guess I'm not really a Cloud person.
Mike Easter wrote:
Edmund wrote:
No idea what FOSS is other then yet again another abbreviation. :-)
In defense of abbreviations;
  - I'm someone who uses 'specific' abbreviations 'all the time'
having their meaning defined in the same 'visual' context where the
'expanded' abbreviation is visible in the same context,
ranging from checking the wp to using a dictionary of acronyms
and abbreviations
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software
checking the "wp" you say?
Edmund wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
Edmund wrote:
No idea what FOSS is other then yet again another abbreviation. :-)
In defense of abbreviations;
  - I'm someone who uses 'specific' abbreviations 'all the time' having their meaning defined in
the same 'visual' context where the 'expanded' abbreviation is visible in the same context,
Exactly; see above.ranging from checking the wp to using a dictionary of acronyms and abbreviations
  - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software
checking the "wp" you say?
The abbreviation wp is expanded in the same visual context as the abbreviation itself.
wp = wikipedia indicated in the link very near the abbrev.
I always thought wp was Word Perfect. Of course that probably would be
WP in caps.
Mike Easter wrote:
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte
is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k
is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a
lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in
the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
Mike Easter wrote:
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte
is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k
is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a
lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in
the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
On 6/7/24 14:05, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for
kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte
is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k
is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a
lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in
the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
And case matters for the last letter too. b is bits, B is bytes.
On 6/7/24 14:05, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for
kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte
is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k
is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a
lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in
the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
And case matters for the last letter too. b is bits, B is bytes.
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote at 16:36 this Saturday (GMT):
On 6/7/24 14:05, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for
kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte
is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k
is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a
lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in
the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
And case matters for the last letter too. b is bits, B is bytes.
And i is never capitalized either, which is a bit weird.
On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 11:36:35 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/7/24 14:05, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for
kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte
is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k
is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a
lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in
the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
And case matters for the last letter too. b is bits, B is bytes.
Standards are great! And there's so many to choose from!!
On 2024-06-11, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote at 16:36 this Saturday (GMT):
On 6/7/24 14:05, Mike Easter wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
A kilobyte is 1000 bytes, not 1024. 1024 bytes are a kibibyte.
Abbreviations are one thing; prefixes are another.
And, for the 'record' the 'internationally accepted' abbreviation for
kilobyte is Kb, while the similarly accepted abbreviation for kibibyte >>>> is KiB.
The 'problem' w/ the apparent discrepancy in the lettercase of the K/k >>>> is the 'inconsistency' in the base 10 family, where only the kilo is a >>>> lower case, and all of the rest starting w/ mega are capped; whereas in >>>> the base 2 family, the prefix abbreviation letter is always capped.
And case matters for the last letter too. b is bits, B is bytes.
And i is never capitalized either, which is a bit weird.
B is also Bel... as in decibel.
hmm
0dBB = 1 byte
10dBB = 10 bytes
30dBB = 1000 bytes.
90dBB = 1GB
With this we can linearise Moore's law, so basically a useless
diversion, sorry for wasting your time.
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