• New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    From SugarBug@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 19 05:13:56 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create a
    proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks
    to the open-source community."


    --
    www.sybershock.com | @firefly@neon.nightbulb.net

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Sun May 19 19:49:48 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    On 5/19/2024 2:44 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create
    a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks
    to the open-source community."

    Looks nice.  Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc.  This is just a data point for you.

    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware.  Tried to start it in its own subdirectory.  Got this message:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.

    Good luck with the project.


    The first hit in Google for that symbol is here:

    puppeteer/puppeteer

    https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/issues/9669

    "...reinstalling libgbm can solve this problem"

    [generic buffer management API]

    And you're on Slack, and maybe this kit wasn't aligned
    with a Slack lineup.

    Generally, when launching something, it helps to announce
    what distro name and distro version it was tested under.
    Then, if a person wants to get an initial build that
    is "guaranteed to work", we know the success recipe.

    Pictures of the desktop, are in-line here, once you scroll
    down a bit. You don't need to build anything to look at it.

    https://gitlab.com/kerahq/Kera-Desktop

    "Mostly web technologies. Kera Desktop is written in
    vanilla javascript and does not rely on third-party frameworks
    but uses some independent libraries."

    "Does Kera Desktop only support web apps? [Progressive Web Apps or PWA]
    For now, yes. Support for Linux apps is perfectly possible and
    on the roadmap. For other platforms, we will see what's possible."

    ??? Making a smartphone out of a Linux desktop ? Um...
    I think that's been done already.

    And Google has a package so you can install ChromeOS on your PC right now.
    I guess somebody likes the ChromeOS.

    Paul

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to SugarBug on Mon May 20 11:06:51 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-19, SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create
    a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks
    to the open-source community."



    It looks interesting, I like the ideas in it. A lot of this can be
    done, albeit with more difficulty, in FVWM which is what I use. I am
    looking for a potential replacement when X11 is disposed of, this
    might be worth close examination.

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  • From Yrrah@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 20 13:36:46 2024
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE,
    for there isn't enough choice right now. We have only:
    Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, Pantheon, Trinity, Unity. XFCE, ...?

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    Yrrah

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  • From Charlie Gibbs@21:1/5 to Yrrah on Mon May 20 16:08:17 2024
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    On 2024-05-20, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> wrote:

    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE,
    for there isn't enough choice right now. We have only:
    Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, Pantheon, Trinity, Unity. XFCE, ...?

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    https://xkcd.com/927/

    --
    /~\ Charlie Gibbs | The Internet is like a big city:
    \ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | it has plenty of bright lights and
    X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | excitement, but also dark alleys
    / \ if you read it the right way. | down which the unwary get mugged.

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  • From Joerg Walther@21:1/5 to Charlie Gibbs on Mon May 20 18:12:54 2024
    Charlie Gibbs wrote:

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    https://xkcd.com/927/

    Exactly. :)

    -jw-
    --
    And now for something completely different...

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  • From Gordinator@21:1/5 to SugarBug on Mon May 20 19:38:53 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    On 19/05/2024 11:13, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create
    a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks
    to the open-source community."



    Does look cool, but I use a tiling window manager, so it doesn't really interest me.

    PS: Please, please, please, wrap your text around 72 characters. It
    helps people who use consoles a lot, and it's generally good netiquette.
    Your newsreader should have this setting.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Yrrah on Tue May 21 11:49:25 2024
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-20, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> wrote:
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE,
    for there isn't enough choice right now. We have only:
    Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, LXQt, MATE, Pantheon, Trinity, Unity. XFCE, ...?

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    Yrrah


    There have always been lots of Window Managers for Linux. Even when I
    started using Linux in the early 2000s there was

    GNOME
    KDE
    Enlightenment
    WindowMaker
    FVWM
    IceWM
    BlackBox
    FluxBox
    Sawfish
    AfterStep
    XFCE3
    AnotherLevelUp
    AmiWM
    TWM
    MWM

    just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more I'm not
    remembering from the early 2000s.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Borax Man on Tue May 21 08:09:56 2024
    On 5/21/24 04:49, Borax Man wrote:
    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-20, Yrrah <Yrrah-aolu@aolu.invalid> wrote:
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug>:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    My goodness, just what Linux desktop distros need: yet anolther DE,
    for there isn't enough choice right now. We have only:
    Budgie, Cinnamon, Deepin, Enlightenment, GNOME, KDE, LXDE, LXQt, MATE,
    Pantheon, Trinity, Unity. XFCE, ...?

    and now Kera, to simplify matters? )-:

    Yrrah


    There have always been lots of Window Managers for Linux. Even when I
    started using Linux in the early 2000s there was

    GNOME
    KDE
    Enlightenment
    WindowMaker
    FVWM
    IceWM
    BlackBox
    FluxBox
    Sawfish
    AfterStep
    XFCE3
    AnotherLevelUp
    AmiWM
    TWM
    MWM

    just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more I'm not
    remembering from the early 2000s.

    JWM?

    bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2024.05- Linux 6.6.31- Plasma 5.27.11

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  • From georgemoody@21:1/5 to SugarBug on Tue May 21 19:51:09 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    On Sun, 19 May 2024 05:13:56 -0500
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with
    interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of
    alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I
    started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my
    first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to
    work or someone to work with. I tried to create a proof-of-concept
    that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have
    finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have
    enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope
    Kera Desktop can go further thanks to the open-source community."



    the big buttons make it feel more like something designed for
    touchscreens, which i certainly don't mind, it's about time GNOME got
    some competition in that field.

    --
    With Regards and Passes,
    GeorgeMoody

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Fri May 24 00:25:04 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote at 18:44 this Sunday (GMT):
    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to create
    a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further thanks
    to the open-source community."

    Looks nice. Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc. This is just a data point for you.

    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware. Tried to start it in its own subdirectory. Got this message:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.

    Good luck with the project.


    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff for
    now.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 24 05:40:30 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff for
    now.

    Do you keep a separate OS partition? My recommendation is to have a second
    one for trying alternative distros. Less chance of a) breaking your user
    files, b) breaking the previous known-good OS.

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  • From Rich@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri May 24 16:10:44 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    In comp.os.linux.misc Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff
    for now.

    Do you keep a separate OS partition? My recommendation is to have a
    second one for trying alternative distros. Less chance of a)
    breaking your user files, b) breaking the previous known-good OS.

    Another way to try out alternative distros without risk of nuking your
    main system is to install VirtualBox, then try out the alternative
    distros by installing them into VirtualBox VM's. One can install as
    many distros as one's free disk space allows, can run as many at the
    same time as the available RAM allows on the host, and VB provides
    snapshots and rollback capability for the VM's so one can further
    experiment with a given distro knowing one can rollback to a last known
    good state to try something again that broke itself this time, within a
    given distro
    .

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri May 24 17:40:07 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 05:40 this Friday (GMT):
    On Fri, 24 May 2024 00:25:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

    Normally, I'd love cutting edge stuff, but I recently nuked my
    EndeavourOS install by accident, so I'm staying away from that stuff for
    now.

    Do you keep a separate OS partition? My recommendation is to have a second one for trying alternative distros. Less chance of a) breaking your user files, b) breaking the previous known-good OS.


    Yeah, I keep a separate home partition so I didn't lose anything super
    super important (plus I keep backups)..
    I'm currently running Debian tho, just to be safe.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From Bud Frede@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat May 25 09:14:25 2024
    XPost: comp.os.linux.misc

    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes:


    "Mostly web technologies. Kera Desktop is written in
    vanilla javascript and does not rely on third-party frameworks
    but uses some independent libraries."

    "Does Kera Desktop only support web apps? [Progressive Web Apps or PWA]
    For now, yes. Support for Linux apps is perfectly possible and
    on the roadmap. For other platforms, we will see what's possible."


    That sounds pretty gross to me. Not my cup of tea at all. :-)

    I guess I'm glad that it pleases the developer and keeps them busy and
    off the streets, but it's not for me. To be honest, there are already so
    many desktops and window managers that, even if I were looking for a
    change, I'd likely go with something else.

    I think that, if I really wanted some change, I'd try one of the tiling
    window managers. I have a number of friends who like those and they're
    very passionate about them.

    I use Linux Mint MATE currently and am not really looking for
    alternatives. I used to try all kinds of new distros and window managers
    30 years ago, but I got kind of tired of farting around with all of
    that. Now I like to just use my computer for the things I own a computer
    to get accomplished. Let me use the apps I like and don't get in my
    way too much and I'm happy.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun May 26 06:32:01 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-19, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On 5/19/2024 2:44 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 5/19/24 3:13 AM, SugarBug wrote:
    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    https://desktop.kerahq.com/

    About two dozen super hackers might want to help get things out of alpha and into release.

    "Currently, this is a product of a team of one. It’s me, Mutlu. I started working on this ten years ago. Eight years ago, I made my first appearance. Things happened, and I couldn’t find much time to work or someone to work with. I tried to
    create a proof-of-concept that was easy to understand and work with. Today, I believe I have finally achieved this, and I hope to extend the team and maybe have enough budget so that I can work on the project full-time. I hope Kera Desktop can go further
    thanks to the open-source community."

    Looks nice.  Downloaded, untarred, ldconfigged etc.  This is just a data point for you.

    Slackware 14.2 on 13-YO GOOD hardware.  Tried to start it in its own subdirectory.  Got this message:

    bb:/stuff/Kera>Kera-Desktop
    Kera-Desktop: symbol lookup error: /stuff/Kera/lib/libnw.so: undefined symbol: gbm_bo_get_modifier

    Flailed for a while and then deleted the whole thing.

    Good luck with the project.


    The first hit in Google for that symbol is here:

    puppeteer/puppeteer

    https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/issues/9669

    "...reinstalling libgbm can solve this problem"

    [generic buffer management API]

    And you're on Slack, and maybe this kit wasn't aligned
    with a Slack lineup.

    Generally, when launching something, it helps to announce
    what distro name and distro version it was tested under.
    Then, if a person wants to get an initial build that
    is "guaranteed to work", we know the success recipe.

    Pictures of the desktop, are in-line here, once you scroll
    down a bit. You don't need to build anything to look at it.

    https://gitlab.com/kerahq/Kera-Desktop

    "Mostly web technologies. Kera Desktop is written in
    vanilla javascript and does not rely on third-party frameworks
    but uses some independent libraries."

    "Does Kera Desktop only support web apps? [Progressive Web Apps or PWA]
    For now, yes. Support for Linux apps is perfectly possible and
    on the roadmap. For other platforms, we will see what's possible."

    ??? Making a smartphone out of a Linux desktop ? Um...
    I think that's been done already.

    And Google has a package so you can install ChromeOS on your PC right now.
    I guess somebody likes the ChromeOS.

    Paul

    A Desktop Environment based on Web Technologies? I don't like to
    criticise others peoples hard work, but for me, this is a trend I
    cannot support at all. The move to web based everything is a problem,
    and this is a step in the wrong direction.

    No, just no.

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  • From Anssi Saari@21:1/5 to SugarBug on Tue May 28 14:04:14 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    I gave it a quick try. I like the launcher bar on the left but these
    days I only use search now to launch apps in any kind of "desktop"
    environment. The search on Kera can be starts from typing, as long as
    the desktop has focus. So same difference compared to button press +
    type.

    I'm not really a fan of embedding apps in a bar. A quick peek at a
    calendar works like that but does anything else? Weather maybe.

    Oh yes, very little seems to actually work in this alpha build so not
    much point in running it. Seems like the videos on the site pretty much
    cover all that's implemented.

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  • From root@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Tue May 28 22:16:41 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:

    Oh yes, very little seems to actually work in this alpha build so not
    much point in running it. Seems like the videos on the site pretty much
    cover all that's implemented.

    As I remember the OP was asking for help on the project.

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  • From Borax Man@21:1/5 to Anssi Saari on Wed May 29 10:32:41 2024
    XPost: alt.2600, comp.os.linux.misc

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
    On 2024-05-28, Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> wrote:
    SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:

    New : Kera Desktop Environment for Linux

    A single hacker has created a new Desktop environment with interesting features.

    I gave it a quick try. I like the launcher bar on the left but these
    days I only use search now to launch apps in any kind of "desktop" environment. The search on Kera can be starts from typing, as long as
    the desktop has focus. So same difference compared to button press +
    type.

    I'm not really a fan of embedding apps in a bar. A quick peek at a
    calendar works like that but does anything else? Weather maybe.

    Oh yes, very little seems to actually work in this alpha build so not
    much point in running it. Seems like the videos on the site pretty much
    cover all that's implemented.

    I quite like embedded small apps. I use FVWM, and run some AfterStep
    and WindowMaker dockapps, small programs that run in a panel. They
    were great, but their 64x64 size is a bit of an issue on a laptop with
    a high resolution screen. FVWM can swallow X apps, which I think is a
    great feature.

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