• Re: New Question Follow up

    From Paul@21:1/5 to philo on Sun May 26 20:10:37 2024
    On 5/26/2024 7:46 PM, philo wrote:
    On 5/25/24 6:40 PM, philo wrote:
    Thanks for all the help on getting my Brother printer setup on my Ubuntu 22.04 machine.
    As mentioned, I had to do a custom setup.
    I upgraded an old installation to 24.04 and when I went to install the printer...I'll be darned , the Brother recommended setup worked fine...but now I have another problem


    The drive I had used as a backup upgraded fine to 24.04 but I had to upgrade from 22.04 to 23.10 first.

    My problem was that when I did that with my most recent drive,
    the upgrade failed as it got to the end. The machine did boot to 23.10 but there are broken dependencies which I cannot resolve as the Internet was lost in the process.


    I need to know how to proceed from here.

    I can download the 23.10 and burn the .iso to USB stick
    but how to I add it as  source to software & updates?

    I can't fix dependencies without pointing the repair process somewhere other than on-line

    The option for external source says to insert CD or DVD

    The ISO is too large. Their dialog is obsolete.

    Synaptic does have an option to add packages but where would I point that within the ISO



    Even though I do have one working installation, I do want to get the other one going as a backup without a complete fresh install


    Thanks




    Backed all my data up one more time, than thanks to Clonezilla, cloned my good installation onto the drive that had the failed upgrade.

    Whew. Now I can put the drive away knowing I have a backup installation.

    While that was going on, I decided to upgrade my Mint 20.3 to version 21

    LOL, as it got to the end, the upgrade failed.
    The system booted by had problems>

    One nice thing about Mint at least is it took a nice snapshot and I was able to roll everything back.

    Now I put a not on the machine NOT to upgrade the Mint install.

    I think I see a pattern emerging here.

    *******

    Just for the record, when the new kernel tips over,
    you select an alternate kernel from the GRUB menu.
    Or at least, that is what worked in previous years.

    Maybe your machine likes 5.15 but does not like 6.x .

    During the installation, there may be an option to clean up
    or not. And not cleaning up, may leave more options. During
    software updates, I like to leave the machine littered with
    old kernels, just for fun.

    It's too bad there wasn't an "advisor" you could run,
    which would notify you that one or more items on the
    machine is going to cause problems. Windows has an advisor,
    but when installing an OS, it did not recognize the graphics
    were too crusty, and it wasted time for nothing by getting
    part way through an upgrade and then rolling back. And because
    it did not print any info on the screen, I had to "guess"
    it was the graphics that did it. Sticking in my HD6450
    graphics card, allowed that upgrade to go ahead. You have to
    keep a lot of hardware history in your head, at times like this.

    Even when there are log files, there is no guarantee you'll
    catch the line that offers a hint. I guess this is all part of
    the fun.

    Part of the reason for wanting to fix busted upgrades, is
    to develop your own set of rules for "pre-conditions for Upgrade".
    For example, if my /tmp was mounted as a TMPFS, that is verboten.
    Before Upgrade, I have to put /tmp back on / , "like Linus wants it" :-)
    You also have a gander at your .ppa collection, and remove some
    of those. On a virtual machine, you might do a "remove" on the
    "virtual machine additions" -- things work better without it.

    You have the option, of moving a disk drive to a more capable
    machine, doing the Upgrade there, then moving the disk drive
    back to Mr.Crusty for a test boot. It can still bomb, but then
    you may have gathered evidence the thing actually works on
    your "good" machine.

    Paul

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to philo on Sun May 26 18:46:26 2024
    On 5/25/24 6:40 PM, philo wrote:
    Thanks for all the help on getting my Brother printer setup on my Ubuntu 22.04 machine.
    As mentioned, I had to do a custom setup.
    I upgraded an old installation to 24.04 and when I went to install the printer...I'll be darned , the Brother recommended setup worked
    fine...but now I have another problem


    The drive I had used as a backup upgraded fine to 24.04 but I had to
    upgrade from 22.04 to 23.10 first.

    My problem was that when I did that with my most recent drive,
    the upgrade failed as it got to the end. The machine did boot to 23.10
    but there are broken dependencies which I cannot resolve as the Internet
    was lost in the process.


    I need to know how to proceed from here.

    I can download the 23.10 and burn the .iso to USB stick
    but how to I add it as  source to software & updates?

    I can't fix dependencies without pointing the repair process somewhere
    other than on-line

    The option for external source says to insert CD or DVD

    The ISO is too large. Their dialog is obsolete.

    Synaptic does have an option to add packages but where would I point
    that within the ISO



    Even though I do have one working installation, I do want to get the
    other one going as a backup without a complete fresh install


    Thanks




    Backed all my data up one more time, than thanks to Clonezilla, cloned
    my good installation onto the drive that had the failed upgrade.

    Whew. Now I can put the drive away knowing I have a backup installation.

    While that was going on, I decided to upgrade my Mint 20.3 to version 21

    LOL, as it got to the end, the upgrade failed.
    The system booted by had problems>

    One nice thing about Mint at least is it took a nice snapshot and I was
    able to roll everything back.

    Now I put a not on the machine NOT to upgrade the Mint install.

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun May 26 19:17:48 2024
    On 5/26/24 7:10 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 5/26/2024 7:46 PM, philo wrote:
    On 5/25/24 6:40 PM, philo wrote:
    Thanks for all the help on getting my Brother printer setup on my Ubuntu 22.04 machine.
    As mentioned, I had to do a custom setup.
    I upgraded an old installation to 24.04 and when I went to install the printer...I'll be darned , the Brother recommended setup worked fine...but now I have another problem


    The drive I had used as a backup upgraded fine to 24.04 but I had to upgrade from 22.04 to 23.10 first.

    My problem was that when I did that with my most recent drive,
    the upgrade failed as it got to the end. The machine did boot to 23.10 but there are broken dependencies which I cannot resolve as the Internet was lost in the process.


    I need to know how to proceed from here.

    I can download the 23.10 and burn the .iso to USB stick
    but how to I add it as  source to software & updates?

    I can't fix dependencies without pointing the repair process somewhere other than on-line

    The option for external source says to insert CD or DVD

    The ISO is too large. Their dialog is obsolete.

    Synaptic does have an option to add packages but where would I point that within the ISO



    Even though I do have one working installation, I do want to get the other one going as a backup without a complete fresh install


    Thanks




    Backed all my data up one more time, than thanks to Clonezilla, cloned my good installation onto the drive that had the failed upgrade.

    Whew. Now I can put the drive away knowing I have a backup installation.

    While that was going on, I decided to upgrade my Mint 20.3 to version 21

    LOL, as it got to the end, the upgrade failed.
    The system booted by had problems>

    One nice thing about Mint at least is it took a nice snapshot and I was able to roll everything back.

    Now I put a not on the machine NOT to upgrade the Mint install.

    I think I see a pattern emerging here.

    *******

    Just for the record, when the new kernel tips over,
    you select an alternate kernel from the GRUB menu.
    Or at least, that is what worked in previous years.

    Maybe your machine likes 5.15 but does not like 6.x .

    During the installation, there may be an option to clean up
    or not. And not cleaning up, may leave more options. During
    software updates, I like to leave the machine littered with
    old kernels, just for fun.

    It's too bad there wasn't an "advisor" you could run,
    which would notify you that one or more items on the
    machine is going to cause problems. Windows has an advisor,
    but when installing an OS, it did not recognize the graphics
    were too crusty, and it wasted time for nothing by getting
    part way through an upgrade and then rolling back. And because
    it did not print any info on the screen, I had to "guess"
    it was the graphics that did it. Sticking in my HD6450
    graphics card, allowed that upgrade to go ahead. You have to
    keep a lot of hardware history in your head, at times like this.

    Even when there are log files, there is no guarantee you'll
    catch the line that offers a hint. I guess this is all part of
    the fun.

    Part of the reason for wanting to fix busted upgrades, is
    to develop your own set of rules for "pre-conditions for Upgrade".
    For example, if my /tmp was mounted as a TMPFS, that is verboten.
    Before Upgrade, I have to put /tmp back on / , "like Linus wants it" :-)
    You also have a gander at your .ppa collection, and remove some
    of those. On a virtual machine, you might do a "remove" on the
    "virtual machine additions" -- things work better without it.

    You have the option, of moving a disk drive to a more capable
    machine, doing the Upgrade there, then moving the disk drive
    back to Mr.Crusty for a test boot. It can still bomb, but then
    you may have gathered evidence the thing actually works on
    your "good" machine.

    Paul


    The reason I have Mint is simply one can never have too many spare
    operating systems.

    There was an advisor which kept removing packages that could potentially
    lead to trouble. All seemed fine until the very end.

    Since I always have my data backed up numerous times, the OS itself is
    not terribly important to me.

    Anyway, I'm all set now.

    It's been a while since I've spent a few days in a row doing computer work.

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