I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days
using a different iso file each time.
First time the bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems.
They would not work.
Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at first,
everything worked
fine, but after a day the FireFox could not go to any address or link.
Totally useless.

One reason I use Ubu is I completely reinstall the OS from time to time
because I
get paranoid about virus/malware infection. Not a big deal. It takes
about 1.5 hours. It
is easy to do with Ubu - maybe other Linuxes too I don't know. Another
reason I use Ubu
is I REALLY like the program RythmBox, which has no Windows version. I
have two questions.

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I copied
over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but dual
boot Ubu
which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly only use Ubu.
This recent
experience with 20.04.3 is very discouraging. Ubu was quite popular at
one time and
desktop Linux was on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has fallen
off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen
off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

TIA Bill S.

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:29:38 -0800
bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> wrote:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days
using a different iso file each time.
First time the bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems.
They would not work.
Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at first,
everything worked
fine, but after a day the FireFox could not go to any address or
link. Totally useless.

One reason I use Ubu is I completely reinstall the OS from time to
time because I
get paranoid about virus/malware infection. Not a big deal. It takes
about 1.5 hours. It
is easy to do with Ubu - maybe other Linuxes too I don't know.
Another reason I use Ubu
is I REALLY like the program RythmBox, which has no Windows version.
I have two questions.

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I
copied over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but
dual boot Ubu
which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly only use Ubu.
This recent
experience with 20.04.3 is very discouraging. Ubu was quite popular
at one time and
desktop Linux was on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has
fallen off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen
off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

TIA Bill S.

I doubt there is any hope for Ubuntu, it has just got worse.

Have you tried MX Linux? It has Rhythm Box, in its repository. It also
has Waterfox, which I use instead of Firefox. Never had any trouble
with it loading websites.

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bilsch01 wrote:

I installed 20.04.3 twice in the last two days using a different iso
file each time.

Do you typically boot the live and twiddle around w/ using it before you install? I always do that to see if anything unexpected pops up.

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I copied
over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.1/

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but
dual boot Ubu which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly
only use Ubu. This recent experience with 20.04.3 is very
discouraging. Ubu was quite popular at one time and desktop Linux was
on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has fallen off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

I think Ub dev is going OK.

My personal tastes are more along the lines of Mint which uses Ub repo/s
but has differences in areas that make me happier. I haven't been a
Gnome fan for years, but I continue to 'check it out' by booting a live
to see where it is going; but it hasn't made me any happier for a long time.

I like KDE Neon; I like Linux Mint; both based on Ub but not Gnome.


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W dniu 13.01.2022 o 21:29, bilsch01 pisze:

One reason I use Ubu is I completely reinstall the OS from time to time because I
get paranoid about virus/malware infection. Not a big deal. It takes
about 1.5 hours. It
is easy to do with Ubu - maybe other Linuxes too I don't know.

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instantly. Puppy Linux has the ability to boot off a flash card or any
USB memory device, CDROM, Zip disk or LS/120/240 Superdisk, floppy
disks, internal hard drive. It can even use a multisession formatted CD-RW/DVD-RW to save everything back to the CD/DVD with no hard drive
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bilsch01 wrote:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days
using a different iso file each time.
First time the bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems.
They would not work.
Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at first,
everything worked
fine, but after a day the FireFox could not go to any address or link. Totally useless.

One reason I use Ubu is I completely reinstall the OS from time to time because I
get paranoid about virus/malware infection. Not a big deal. It takes
about 1.5 hours. It
is easy to do with Ubu - maybe other Linuxes too I don't know. Another
reason I use Ubu
is I REALLY like the program RythmBox, which has no Windows version. I
have two questions.

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I copied
over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but dual
boot Ubu
which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly only use Ubu.
This recent
experience with 20.04.3 is very discouraging. Ubu was quite popular at
one time and
desktop Linux was on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has fallen
off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen
off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

TIA   Bill S.

With 20.04 the default install is the snap version,(slow as molasses and
POS). Can confirm if you have the snap version with command "snap list"

if you see firefox then remove with

sudo snap remove firefox

then install the apt version

sudo apt install firefox

I have no issue with the apt installed version

apt-cache policy firefox
firefox:
Installed: 95.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Candidate: 95.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Version table:
*** 95.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
75.0+build3-0ubuntu1 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main amd64 Packages




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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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tr26 wrote:

It can even use a multisession formatted CD-RW/DVD-RW to save everything
back to the CD/DVD with no hard drive required at all.

Puppy has a nice strategy for its persistence. It can also save its persistence file to such as a Win installed hdd w/o bothering the Win.

Barry Kauler is a very inventive fellow. He has a bunch of new ideas
for his Easy OS, dev'd 5 y now.

https://easyos.org/about/how-and-why-easyos-is-different.html How and
why EasyOS is different - January 01, 2022 — BarryK


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On 1/13/22 2:52 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

bilsch01 wrote:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days
using a different iso file each time.
First time the bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems.
They would not work.
Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at first,
everything worked
fine, but after a day the FireFox could not go to any address or link.
Totally useless.

One reason I use Ubu is I completely reinstall the OS from time to time
because I
get paranoid about virus/malware infection. Not a big deal. It takes
about 1.5 hours. It
is easy to do with Ubu - maybe other Linuxes too I don't know. Another
reason I use Ubu
is I REALLY like the program RythmBox, which has no Windows version. I
have two questions.

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I copied
over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but dual
boot Ubu
which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly only use Ubu.
This recent
experience with 20.04.3 is very discouraging. Ubu was quite popular at
one time and
desktop Linux was on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has fallen
off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen
off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

TIA   Bill S.

With 20.04 the default install is the snap version,(slow as molasses and POS). Can confirm if you have the snap version with command "snap list"

if you see firefox then remove with

sudo snap remove firefox

then install the apt version

sudo apt install firefox

I have no issue with the apt installed version

apt-cache policy firefox
firefox:
Installed: 95.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Candidate: 95.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Version table:
*** 95.0.1+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
75.0+build3-0ubuntu1 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main amd64 Packages

Thanks for the 'snap' information and other info too

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bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> writes:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days using a different iso file each time. First time the
bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems. They would not
work. Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at
first, everything worked fine, but after a day the FireFox could not
go to any address or link. Totally useless.

Firefox was broken for everybody yesterday morning, nothing to do with
your Ubuntu install.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908

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On 1/14/22 12:25 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> writes:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days using a different iso file each time. First time the
bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems. They would not
work. Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at
first, everything worked fine, but after a day the FireFox could not
go to any address or link. Totally useless.

Firefox was broken for everybody yesterday morning, nothing to do with
your Ubuntu install.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908

What you say seems unusual to me, but interestingly my Firefox has
started working fine with no intervention from me. As though the problem
is external to my PC.

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On 1/14/22 12:25 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> writes:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days using a different iso file each time. First time the
bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems. They would not
work. Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at
first, everything worked fine, but after a day the FireFox could not
go to any address or link. Totally useless.

Firefox was broken for everybody yesterday morning, nothing to do with
your Ubuntu install.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908

Thanks for the info. Wouldn't it have to originate in the software I
installed with the iso? A bad FF program in the iso, not something
external to my PC - right?

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On 1/15/22 10:17, bilsch01 wrote:

On 1/14/22 12:25 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> writes:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days using a different iso file each time.  First time the
bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems. They would not
work.  Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at
first, everything worked fine, but after a day the FireFox could not
go to any address or link. Totally useless.

Firefox was broken for everybody yesterday morning, nothing to do with
your Ubuntu install.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908

Thanks for the info.  Wouldn't it have to originate in the software I installed with the iso? A bad FF program in the iso, not something
external to my PC - right?

My Thunderbird was not truely broken but very annoying,
It downloaded old mail about the time we were seeing in the
Usenet downloads of old posts.

But that went away in a day. Weirdly enough the duplicate
messages could not be removed for some reason by the Thunderbird.

I still have to go and chase down about 100 duplicate messages
but those are problems I have dealt with before. So Canonical needs
to be more careful as to what it is sending its users.


bliss - brought to you by the power and ease of PCLinuxOS
and a minor case of hypergraphia

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bilsch01 wrote:

Wouldn't it have to originate in the software I installed with the iso?
A bad FF program in the iso,

The pkglist for Ub 20.04.3 says Ffx 91.0; that list for 20.04.2 says 85.0.

I don't think your 20.04.3 was subjected to the snap transition problem,
but I might be wrong.

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Mike Easter wrote:

I don't think your 20.04.3 was subjected to the snap transition problem,
but I might be wrong.

Now I think that is more likely wrong.

The Ub 20.04 software center enables the whole snap business by default;
that is what made Mint unhappy.

the decision to change the Software Center to install snap-based applications is controversial.

The snapcraft system has Ffx latest stable 96.0.1

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bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> writes:

On 1/14/22 12:25 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

bilsch01 <king621@comcast.net> writes:

I moved from Ubu 20.04.1 to 20.04.3. I installed 20.04.3 twice in the
last two days using a different iso file each time. First time the
bundled Firefox AND Thunderbird had SERIOUS problems. They would not
work. Then I got a different 20.04.3 iso and installed it and, at
first, everything worked fine, but after a day the FireFox could not
go to any address or link. Totally useless.

Firefox was broken for everybody yesterday morning, nothing to do
with
your Ubuntu install.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908

Thanks for the info. Wouldn't it have to originate in the software I installed with the iso? A bad FF program in the iso, not something
external to my PC - right?

It was a combination of the two.

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Mike Easter wrote:

bilsch01 wrote:

Wouldn't it have to originate in the software I installed with the
iso? A bad FF program in the iso,

The pkglist for Ub 20.04.3 says Ffx 91.0; that list for 20.04.2 says 85.0.

I don't think your 20.04.3 was subjected to the snap transition problem,
but I might be wrong.

lsb_release -d
Description: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS

apt-cache policy firefox
firefox:
Installed: 96.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Candidate: 96.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
Version table:
*** 96.0+build2-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates/main amd64 Packages
500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
75.0+build3-0ubuntu1 500
500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal/main amd64 Packages

cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-mozilla-daily-ubuntu-ppa-focal.list

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu focal main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu focal
main

No problem with FF or TB at all...

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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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On 1/13/22 12:40 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

bilsch01 wrote:

I installed 20.04.3 twice in the last two days using a different iso
file each time.

Do you typically boot the live and twiddle around w/ using it before you install?  I always do that to see if anything unexpected pops up.

I guess I should!

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I copied
over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.1/

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but
dual boot Ubu which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly
only use Ubu. This recent experience with 20.04.3 is very
discouraging. Ubu was quite popular at one time and desktop Linux was
on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has fallen off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

I think Ub dev is going OK.

My personal tastes are more along the lines of Mint which uses Ub repo/s
but has differences in areas that make me happier.  I haven't been a
Gnome fan for years, but I continue to 'check it out' by booting a live
to see where it is going; but it hasn't made me any happier for a long
time.

I like KDE Neon; I like Linux Mint; both based on Ub but not Gnome.

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On 1/13/22 12:40 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

bilsch01 wrote:

I installed 20.04.3 twice in the last two days using a different iso
file each time.

Do you typically boot the live and twiddle around w/ using it before you install?  I always do that to see if anything unexpected pops up.

QUESTION #1: Forget 20.04.3. I want to go back to 20.04.1 but I copied
over that iso.
Where can I download an iso for 20.04.1?

http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04.1/

QUESTION #2: what is happening to Ubuntu? I always have Windows but
dual boot Ubu which I been using happily for over 10 years. I mostly
only use Ubu. This recent experience with 20.04.3 is very
discouraging. Ubu was quite popular at one time and desktop Linux was
on the rise it seemed. But I sense interest has fallen off. Also
everything is free and most people don't donate money so apparently
quality has fallen off. Is there any hope for Ubuntu in the future?

I think Ub dev is going OK.

My personal tastes are more along the lines of Mint which uses Ub repo/s
but has differences in areas that make me happier.  I haven't been a
Gnome fan for years, but I continue to 'check it out' by booting a live
to see where it is going; but it hasn't made me any happier for a long
time.

I like KDE Neon; I like Linux Mint; both based on Ub but not Gnome.

Thanks for the link to the ISO file

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