• please explain what 'unity' and 'gnome' mean

    From bilsch01@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 12:08:19 2022
    Over the years I have used the black screen for entering text commands
    to get things done in ubuntu (ubu). I think of the black screen as a
    'terminal' interface, though I'm not sure if that is the correct word
    for it. I never have been good at the 'shell script' language of linux
    but have done much by pasting stuff into the terminal. I associate the
    word 'gnome' with the terminal interface.

    People also refer to something called 'unity' or 'unity interface' which
    I always thought of as ubu's clickable icons and also the vertical bar
    of icons along the left side of ubu's desktop screen.

    QUESTION: Am I correct about 'gnome' and 'unity' ?
    Please straighten me out if I an wrong.

    TIA Bill S.

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  • From bilsch01@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Fri Mar 4 12:43:16 2022
    On 3/4/2022 12:19 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Freitag, 04. März 2022, um 12:08:19 Uhr schrieb bilsch01:

    Over the years I have used the black screen for entering text
    commands to get things done in ubuntu (ubu). I think of the black
    screen as a 'terminal' interface, though I'm not sure if that is the
    correct word for it. I never have been good at the 'shell script'
    language of linux but have done much by pasting stuff into the
    terminal. I associate the word 'gnome' with the terminal interface.

    People also refer to something called 'unity' or 'unity interface'
    which I always thought of as ubu's clickable icons and also the
    vertical bar of icons along the left side of ubu's desktop screen.

    QUESTION: Am I correct about 'gnome' and 'unity' ?
    Please straighten me out if I an wrong.

    The terminal window is a Terminal emulator, in Ubuntu the default is gnome-terminal, but that is just a terminal emulator like xterm.

    GNOME itself is a desktop environment available in many distributions
    and the default in Ubuntu 17.10 and later.

    Unity is also a desktop environment created by Canonical especially for Ubuntu, but the development was discontinued in 2017.


    I been using Ubu since about 2012 or 2014. I been using the terminal
    interface and the clickable interfaces both ever since I started back
    then. There have been minor changes in the GUI along the way - but not
    much. I never noticed any difference in the terminal, though advances in
    the scripting language I probably wouldn't have noticed. So what's the
    talk I been hearing about 'unity' as opposed to 'gnome'.
    I've used Ubu a lot over the years and don't understand unity vs. gnome controversy. I just don't get it.

    Bill S.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 21:19:07 2022
    Am Freitag, 04. März 2022, um 12:08:19 Uhr schrieb bilsch01:

    Over the years I have used the black screen for entering text
    commands to get things done in ubuntu (ubu). I think of the black
    screen as a 'terminal' interface, though I'm not sure if that is the
    correct word for it. I never have been good at the 'shell script'
    language of linux but have done much by pasting stuff into the
    terminal. I associate the word 'gnome' with the terminal interface.

    People also refer to something called 'unity' or 'unity interface'
    which I always thought of as ubu's clickable icons and also the
    vertical bar of icons along the left side of ubu's desktop screen.

    QUESTION: Am I correct about 'gnome' and 'unity' ?
    Please straighten me out if I an wrong.

    The terminal window is a Terminal emulator, in Ubuntu the default is gnome-terminal, but that is just a terminal emulator like xterm.

    GNOME itself is a desktop environment available in many distributions
    and the default in Ubuntu 17.10 and later.

    Unity is also a desktop environment created by Canonical especially for
    Ubuntu, but the development was discontinued in 2017.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 17:23:04 2022
    On 3/4/2022 3:43 PM, bilsch01 wrote:
    On 3/4/2022 12:19 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
    Am Freitag, 04. März 2022, um 12:08:19 Uhr schrieb bilsch01:

    Over the years I have used the black screen for entering text
    commands to get things done in ubuntu (ubu). I think of the black
    screen as a 'terminal' interface, though I'm not sure if that is the
    correct word for it. I never have been good at the 'shell script'
    language of linux but have done much by pasting stuff into the
    terminal. I associate the word 'gnome' with the terminal interface.

    People also refer to something called 'unity' or 'unity interface'
    which I always thought of as ubu's clickable icons and also the
    vertical bar of icons along the left side of ubu's desktop screen.

    QUESTION: Am I correct about 'gnome' and 'unity' ?
    Please straighten me out if I an wrong.

    The terminal window is a Terminal emulator, in Ubuntu the default is
    gnome-terminal, but that is just a terminal emulator like xterm.

    GNOME itself is a desktop environment available in many distributions
    and the default in Ubuntu 17.10 and later.

    Unity is also a desktop environment created by Canonical especially for
    Ubuntu, but the development was discontinued in 2017.


    I been using Ubu since about 2012 or 2014. I been using the terminal interface and the clickable interfaces both ever since I started back then. There have been minor changes in the GUI along the way - but not much. I never noticed any difference in
    the terminal, though advances in the scripting language I probably wouldn't have noticed. So what's the talk I been hearing about 'unity' as opposed to 'gnome'.
    I've used Ubu a lot over the years and don't understand unity vs. gnome controversy. I just don't get it.

    Bill S.

    Here's an instance of Gnome.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/GNOME_Software_40.3_%28released_2021-03%29_--_dialog_boxes_and_other_tabs.png

    And a Unity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Unity

    *******

    In Firefox, there is:

    ui.use_unity_menubar False

    which allows the traditional File:Edit:View menu bar to
    be turned back on. Implying Unity is some part of the
    newer Firefox interface. By them removing Preferences from the
    Menu Bar, you have to use about:preferences . As opposed to
    using the hamburger icon and searching around for it.
    Settings == about:preferences

    Paul

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 15:32:59 2022
    bilsch01 wrote:
    Over the years I have used the black screen for entering text commands
    to get things done in ubuntu (ubu). I think of the black screen as a 'terminal' interface, though I'm not sure if that is the correct word
    for it.

    It is commonly called a terminal or console; it is officially a
    'terminal emulator' and Ub's is called gnome terminal. That is also
    Mint's; Neon's is konsole.

    One can get a better understanding of the concept of terminal *emulator*
    from the wikipedia article.

    I never have been good at the 'shell script' language of linux
    but have done much by pasting stuff into the terminal. I associate the
    word 'gnome' with the terminal interface.

    No; that is an incorrect association. The gnome word in this context
    refers to the Gnome Project's Gnome desktop environment with its
    associated parts, particularly the Gnome shell, which is important for
    this discussion.

    People also refer to something called 'unity' or 'unity interface' which
    I always thought of as ubu's clickable icons and also the vertical bar
    of icons along the left side of ubu's desktop screen.

    No; the word Unity in this context means several different things; what
    you are describing above is just one particular appearance of the Unity desktop.

    QUESTION: Am I correct about 'gnome' and 'unity' ?
    Please straighten me out if I an wrong.

    You are not correct.

    But Unity needs some describing because it has evolved, and its history
    is important, because historical Unity is what some people think of Unity.

    To me, the historical Unity (Ub 11.04) is the most important because of
    its impact; that is the Unity from Ub when Ub/Canonical 'split' w/ its unhappiness over Gnome Shell, just like Cinnamon and Mate split over the
    Gnome Shell unhappiness.

    In the long run, that unhappiness didn't work out at all for Canonical
    and they had to go back to Gnome. That Unity just used all of the
    numerous parts of Gnome's desktop except Gnome Shell; whereas the dev/s
    for Cinnamon and Mate chose to fork the numerous Gnome DE pieces as well.

    Today's Unity is a different subject, altho' it embraces a few of the
    original ideas and has different names.


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    Mike Easter

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  • From Mike Easter@21:1/5 to Mike Easter on Fri Mar 4 16:34:03 2022
    Mike Easter wrote:
    To me, the historical Unity (Ub 11.04) is the most important because
    of its impact; that is the Unity from Ub when Ub/Canonical 'split' w/
    its unhappiness over Gnome Shell, just like Cinnamon and Mate split
    over the Gnome Shell unhappiness.

    In the long run, that unhappiness didn't work out at all for
    Canonical and they had to go back to Gnome.

    Here are some Shuttleworth words from 2012:

    The initial decision to develop a new interface in 2008 was driven by
    a desire to innovate and to pass Microsoft and Apple in user
    experience. This meant a family of unified interfaces that could be
    used across many device form factors, including desktop, laptop,
    tablet, smart phones and TV. Shuttleworth said "‘The old desktop
    would force your tablet or your phone into all kinds of crazy of
    funny postures. So we said: Screw it. We’re going to move the desktop
    to where it needs to be for the future. [This] turned out to be a
    deeply unpopular process."



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    Mike Easter

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 09:55:33 2022
    Am Freitag, 04. März 2022, um 12:43:16 Uhr schrieb bilsch01:

    I've used Ubu a lot over the years and don't understand unity vs.
    gnome controversy. I just don't get it.

    GNOME isn't developed directly by Canonical (company that develops
    Ubuntu). They use GNOME2 until 2011 in Ubuntu as the default desktop environment and replaced it with Unity in 2011. The development of
    Unity costs time and money so they decided to go back to GNOME, but
    GNOME 3, in 2017. Unity is still developed by ubports: https://ubports.com/nl/blog/ubports-blogs-nieuws-1/post/unity8-on-the-desktop-3100

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 12:26:10 2022
    On 04.03.2022 21:08, bilsch01 wrote:
    Over the years I have used the black screen for entering text commands
    to get things done in ubuntu (ubu). I think of the black screen as a 'terminal' interface, though I'm not sure if that is the correct word
    for it. I never have been good at the 'shell script' language of linux
    but have done much by pasting stuff into the terminal. I associate the
    word 'gnome' with the terminal interface.

    People also refer to something called 'unity' or 'unity interface' which
    I always thought of as ubu's clickable icons and also the vertical bar
    of icons along the left side of ubu's desktop screen.

    QUESTION: Am I correct about 'gnome' and 'unity' ?
    Please straighten me out if I an wrong.

    You've already got some information and a few informative links. So I
    just want to add an aspect or two. (Note that it's a rough description
    not so much aimed at a precise technical definition but to show the
    relation of some terms used in your post.)

    The term terminal stems from days where you have the access point to
    a computer separated from the processing unit. Terminals were stupid,
    basically just accepting and forwarding keystrokes from the keyboard,
    enhanced by control sequences. The devices usually were just green
    or white text on black screens (no GUI elements like scroll bars, no
    windowing, etc.). Later that was advanced by X-terminals where more
    information was passed between the terminal client and servers, and
    where windowing functionality was supported at the client (terminal)
    side. Today on your computer you have both running, the X-server and
    the X-clients.

    What you see implemented on Linux systems and also called terminal runs
    a shell, a program that is an interactive interface to the functions
    of the operating systems. There are many different shells available on
    Unix systems you may choose from (the bash shell is the quasi-standard
    just on Linux, and you can change your shell). If you want to execute
    only simple commands there's not much difference between shells (i.e.
    WRT execution of the programs; there is a difference in the interactive features, editing the command line, command completions, and so on).
    The shell language is important if you use shell for programming more
    complex tasks.

    There's also an access to your system that uses no windowing layer,
    often (also) referred to as terminal, and accessible (on my system)
    by typing Ctrl-Alt-F1 (and F2..F6 respectively, for more than one
    terminal session). (I can return to my windowing interface by typing Ctrl-Alt-F7.)

    Since communicating through shells is considered too technical for use
    by ordinary (non-tech) people graphical interfaces had been invented.
    These allow to do "everything that is usually necessary" by clicking
    on GUI elements on the screen. The inherent problem of the approach is
    that you just get what some developers have decided to be useful or
    necessary, and also that you get the functionality the way that had
    been considered as most comfortable (or most fancy) by the designers.

    That's where different graphical systems appear, because any supported graphical interface is hardly the right one for everyone. That's where
    window managers appear. Luckily (on Unix systems) you have also the
    choice to choose from a couple available window managers. You decide
    whether it's a primitive one supporting the essentials in a clear way
    (often a compact and fast one), or a more complex and/or a fancy one.

    The various Unix systems and Linux distributions come with their own
    standards for the default appearance of the system (Unity, Gnome, KDE).
    Not surprising that there's many arguments, pros and cons, discussed.

    Janis

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Sat Mar 5 11:45:39 2022
    On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 21:19:07 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

    Unity is also a desktop environment created by Canonical especially for Ubuntu, but the development was discontinued in 2017.

    Unity is a window manager, no? The desktop environment encompasses
    more than the window manager such as various applications set as
    defaults.

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 13:34:22 2022
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    bilsch01 wrote:
    [...]
    I've used Ubu a lot over the years and don't understand unity vs. gnome controversy. I just don't get it.

    It's your basic 'vi' vs. 'emacs' holy war. Nothing to get too worked up
    over ;)

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