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On 4/8/25 3:29 PM, -hh wrote:

On 4/8/25 15:17, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 8/4/25 10:26, -hh wrote:

Golly, what a clever way to try to avoid answering the question
of where it is feasible to grow tropical food products within the
USA at a scale which is commensurate with our domestic demand.

Case in point, the US consumes ~1.6 billion pounds of coffee per
year.

And sure, some coffee is grown in Hawaii ... ~23 million pounds
from 7400 acres.

That's just ~1.4% of total US demand, so you'll need to expand
domestic operations in Hawaii.

Plants get finicky about soil, altitude, sunshine, humidity, rain.
They get so ornery that just because you stick their seeds in the
soil, they can refuse to sprout and grow.

If you can grow corn, surely you can grow lettuce.

Wait until they learn how many years it takes for vanilla.

Well, I don't expect "perfectly cognizant" right
away. The "nuclear blast" comes first - THEN you
get into the fine-tuning. Alas, NO fine-tuning
without the blast coming first ........

As for "basic nutrition", yea, the USA CAN do that
pretty well - grains, meats, some fruits and veggies,
that kind of stuff. But Mex avocado and exotic
coffees - may have to skip those for a couple years
by and large. Somebody will make an 'acceptable'
coffee substitute in the meanwhile - maybe kinda
like Red Bull, but doesn't taste like discount
cough syrup ........

The MSM, predictably, is putting all the doomsayers
on the tube right now, ultra-hyping the horror of
what's going on. That's how they make ratings/money.
Nothing new.

Thing is, JoeFlation cut LOTS more off everyone's
assets over the past four years. They WON'T
mention that .......

The markets WILL rise again, fairly quick. We've
seen it after all the more recent melt-downs.
Panic and sell - you LOSE ... AND pay tax on it.

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On 4/9/25 01:23, c186282 wrote:

On 4/8/25 3:29 PM, -hh wrote:

On 4/8/25 15:17, Siri Cruz wrote:

On 8/4/25 10:26, -hh wrote:

Golly, what a clever way to try to avoid answering the question
of where it is feasible to grow tropical food products within the
USA at a scale which is commensurate with our domestic demand.

Case in point, the US consumes ~1.6 billion pounds of coffee per
year.

And sure, some coffee is grown in Hawaii ... ~23 million pounds
from 7400 acres.

That's just ~1.4% of total US demand, so you'll need to expand
domestic operations in Hawaii.

Plants get finicky about soil, altitude, sunshine, humidity, rain.
They get so ornery that just because you stick their seeds in the
soil, they can refuse to sprout and grow.

If you can grow corn, surely you can grow lettuce.

Wait until they learn how many years it takes for vanilla.

  Well, I don't expect "perfectly cognizant" right
  away. The "nuclear blast" comes first - THEN you
  get into the fine-tuning. Alas, NO fine-tuning
  without the blast coming first ........

Nah, you're making excuses for Piss Poor Planning.

A lot of the profoundly stupid moves of this past week would have easily
been detected and fixed simply by doing some basic 'war gaming' of the
proposal over the course of a few weeks.

Had that been done, the Markets wouldn't have gone into such a shock &
panic where we've already wiped out $6T in wealth *PLUS* seen our
Treasuries devalue by a half point (at least) which adds to our annual
debt service costs in the Federal budget (yes, this made it even WORSE).

  As for "basic nutrition", yea, the USA CAN do that
  pretty well - grains, meats, some fruits and veggies,
  that kind of stuff. But Mex avocado and exotic
  coffees -  may have to skip those for a couple years
  by and large. Somebody will make an 'acceptable'
  coffee substitute in the meanwhile - maybe kinda
  like Red Bull, but doesn't taste like discount
  cough syrup ........

But will the American consumer tolerate that degree of sacrifice?
I doubt it.

  The markets WILL rise again, fairly quick. We've
  seen it after all the more recent melt-downs.
  Panic and sell - you LOSE ... AND pay tax on it.

You can be optimistic based on your personal recency bias, but I'm not
so gloriously optimistic, because of how shattering this has been for
world political norms and squandering of US soft power. As a simple
rule of thumb, I'd say that for each day that mess is allowed to
persist, the economic fallout damage will need another quarter ..
minimum .. to recover.
Likewise, because of the high recession risk, if we trip that
non-linearity, we're likely going to be underwater for at least 5 years.
Longer, if we hit stagflation.


-hh

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-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Likewise, because of the high recession risk, if we trip that
non-linearity, we're likely going to be underwater for at least 5 years.

Longer, if we hit stagflation.

Trump gonna be worse than Jimmy Carter.

--
The one day you'd sell your soul for something, souls are a glut.

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On 4/9/25 18:26, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

Likewise, because of the high recession risk, if we trip that
non-linearity, we're likely going to be underwater for at least 5 years.

Longer, if we hit stagflation.

Trump gonna be worse than Jimmy Carter.

Trump's already worse than Jimmy.

In addition to being stuck in a profoundly difficult economy, Carter was politically outmaneuvered by the professional politicians, including his
own party. Hell of a nice human being, though, as his later life showed.

At this point, I just hope Democracy survives. Wish I was joking.

-hh

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