On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez could not prove his citizenship until AFTER
his arrest and detention, so his arrest was not REALLY a mistake.
When under ICE detention, it takes a little while to be fully
"exonerated" and released.
If Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez had had documentation ON his person, he
would probably not have been detained.
This is not WWII France or Italy, but we ARE trying to get rid ofDeflection snipped!
people who are here criminally, so there ARE going to be mistakes
made.
No one is being shot in the streets or dying in detention centers,
like when O B A M A was President.
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally...
...including US citizens.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez could not prove his citizenship until AFTER
his arrest and detention, so his arrest was not REALLY a mistake.
When under ICE detention, it takes a little while to be fully
"exonerated" and released.
If Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez had had documentation ON his person, he
would probably not have been detained.
Oh, "probably"...
This is not WWII France or Italy, but we ARE trying to get rid of
people who are here criminally, so there ARE going to be mistakes
made.
No one is being shot in the streets or dying in detention centers,Deflection snipped!
like when O B A M A was President.
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally...
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally... >>
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
In article <vudsab$1vtst$19@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or >>>>>>> seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally... >>>>
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
Nope.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
Who said that? Oh YOU did. Your racism is showing.
You're well on the way to one.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason >>>>> for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
There is no junta.
On 2025-04-24 10:40, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vudsab$1vtst$19@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or >>>>>>> seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally...
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
Nope.
Yup.
Florida man arrested and detained AFTER producing his birth certificate.
New Mexico man, the same.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
Who said that? Oh YOU did. Your racism is showing.
Recognizing racism (yours) doesn't make me racist.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of >>>>> immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason >>>>> for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
There is no junta.You're well on the way to one.
On 2025-04-24 10:40, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vudsab$1vtst$19@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or >>>>>>> seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally...
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
Nope.
Yup.
Florida man arrested and detained AFTER producing his birth certificate.
New Mexico man, the same.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
Who said that? Oh YOU did. Your racism is showing.
Recognizing racism (yours) doesn't make me racist.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of >>>>> immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason >>>>> for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
There is no junta.You're well on the way to one.
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally... >>>
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
In article <vudsab$1vtst$19@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally... >> >>
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
Nope.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
Who said that? Oh YOU did. Your racism is showing.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
There is no junta.
On 2025-04-24 10:40, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vudsab$1vtst$19@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or >>>>>>>> seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally... >>>>>
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
Nope.
Yup.
Florida man arrested and detained AFTER producing his birth certificate.
New Mexico man, the same.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
Who said that? Oh YOU did. Your racism is showing.
Recognizing racism (yours) doesn't make me racist.
You're well on the way to one.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of >>>>>> immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason >>>>>> for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
There is no junta.
In article <vudu6h$240aq$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-24 10:40, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vudsab$1vtst$19@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-04-24 07:25, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuchr3$s06m$8@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally...
...including US citizens.
Prove it.
Already done...
..twice.
Nope.
Yup.
Florida man arrested and detained AFTER producing his birth certificate.
New Mexico man, the same.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
I'm sure they have a reason.
As long as the subject of the arrest isn't white, right?
Who said that? Oh YOU did. Your racism is showing.
Recognizing racism (yours) doesn't make me racist.
You're well on the way to one.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason >> >>>>> for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
It's not how they "sorted out" the people they sent to CECOT.
How do you know? Were you there?
If they'd been put before judges, the junta would have reported it.
There is no junta.
I'm sure they had good reason.
On Wed, 23 Apr 2025 22:22:43 -0700, Alan says...
On 2025-04-23 20:23, AlleyCat wrote:
On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 12:54:48 -0700, Alan says...
If they come to a port of entry and declare they're defecting or
seeking "asylum", then they are entitled to a hearing.
If not... no.
But they're arresting people in the middle of the country.
Who are I L L E G A L!
Nope. They are very clearly arresting people who are in the US legally...
...including US citizens.
Show us those arrest and detention records and where these "US citizens"
are now.
People are going to get swept up in "roundups" of ILLEGALS, simply by
being WITH them.
Once citizenship is proven, they are released.
"Innocent" people get treated the EXACT same way in drug busts and mass >arrests at many places where the police have to go in and
arrest everybody who MIGHT be involved in the crime(s) that took place.
Is Canada soooo squeaky clean in all of their arrests, that they make
ZERO mistakes, arresting innocent people?
Doubtful.
They arrested a citizen and wouldn't even release him when he
showed a birth certificate and social security card.
No. They were shown the Birth Certificate, AFTER arrest, and not
till court hearing.
Right. And they still demanded he remain in custody.
No... it takes a little longer to be released if you're on an ICE
detainer. The judge had no choice. How much longer did poor
oppressed beaner have to stay in jail?
He had NO ID on him while traveling with ILLEGALS. He's actually pretty >lucky. ICE kept him to make sure the i's were crossed and
the t's dotted.
Why, you ask?
Probably to make sure he really WAS a U.S. citizen. A little
investigating was in order.
Why?
"Lopez-Gomez was born in Georgia but LIVED MUCH OF HIS LIFE IN MEXICO.
His first language is Tzotzil, a Mayan language, the
Florida Phoenix reported."
That, in and of itself, was sufficient cause to dig a little deeper into
his life. Did he renounce his citizenship? A simple
answer of "no" would not suffice.
There is ALWAYS more to these stories than what the news outlets tell us.
Did he have a criminal past?
Was he wanted in MEXICO?
There are always more questions than answered and these NEED to be
asked. THAT takes time, rich boy.
"A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of
immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate SHOWING HIS
U.S. BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN COURT and a county judge finding no reason
for him to be considered an "illegal alien" who illegally entered
Florida.
Good thing he got due process and got to appear before a judge,
huh?
Yes.
THAT'S how we sort em out.
Deflection accusation snipped... truth about Obama's fuck ups, which are
FAR worse than what you whine about... un-snipped.
=====
Death Rates among Detained Immigrants in the United States
Published online 2015 Nov 12
WHO was President in 2015, and for nearly 7 years?
Why, none other than Barack Obama.
Megan Granski, Allen Keller, and Homer Venters*
Paul B. Tchounwou, Academic Editor
Author information Article notes Copyright and License information
Abstract:
The United States system of immigrant detention centers has been the
subject of considerable scrutiny with respect to health care
of detainees.
We sought to characterize the rates and types of deaths that have
occurred within this system between the years 2003?2015. We
analyzed a file of detainee deaths released by the U.S. Department of >Homeland Security as part of a freedom of information
request.
Between 2003 and 2015 (SIX years of Obama's administration), 150 deaths
were recorded. During this time period, the annual rate
of death among detainees dropped dramatically, whether measured by
annual admissions or by person years of exposure. The most
common causes of death were cardiovascular, cancer and suicide. More
research is needed to adequately account for the
contributors to these declining rates of death in immigration detention >settings.
=====
ICE Releases Reports for 18 Migrants Who Died in Detention, Medical
Neglect Is Suspected
Jul 21, 2016, 9:03am Tina Vasquez
WHO was President in 2016, and for nearly 8 years?
Why, none other than Barack Obama.
Though the death reviews released by ICE provide further insight into
the conditions inside detention centers, the bigger concern
among researchers and advocates is what they don't know.
"We spend a lot of time talking about the disturbing conditions in
detention centers-that's what our report is about. But step
one requires taking a step back and rethinking this system and how it's >unnecessary and also abuses vulnerable peoples' rights,"
said Clara Long, a researcher with Human Rights Watch.
A new report from Human Rights Watch (HRW) documents the deaths of 18 >migrants in Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody
from mid-2012 to mid-2015. In some cases, the deaths were likely
preventable and the result of "substandard medical care and
violations of applicable detention standards."
===============================================================================
"Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition
All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.
"Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a
person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike
of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."
Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in
the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into
three distinct phases or stages:
"In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of
proportion. The president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm,
as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world."
"The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's >vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting
solely of hyperbole."
"As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish
fantasy from reality."
The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the
knee-jerk opposition from liberals to anything and everything
Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he's ever
made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something
nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There's nothing - not. one.
thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be received
positively by TDSers.
The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the
early 2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was
a punch line for late-night comics and nothing more.
Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first >coined by the late conservative columnist Charles
Krauthammer back in 2003. The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was
"the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people
in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence
of George W. Bush."
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