...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's
cratering.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 10:56:45 -0700, Alan says...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's
cratering.
True TDS is when faggot left-wingers screech and flail about because
the stock market, which does NOT represent the ECONOMY, falls a bit.
Only idiots freak out and sell.
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:25:08 -0700, Alan says...
On 2025-04-30 18:48, AlleyCat wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 10:56:45 -0700, Alan says...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's
cratering.
True TDS is when faggot left-wingers screech and flail about because
the stock market, which does NOT represent the ECONOMY, falls a bit.
Only idiots freak out and sell.
But Trump has "screeched and flailed" about it...
"It"?
What is "it"?
The Market OR the Economy or both at the SAME time?
Has he EVER said, "The Market IS the economy and the economy is doing well, because the Market is"?
Nope.
Unless you can come up with verifiable quotes...
PLONK!
On 4/30/25 23:30, AlleyCat wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:25:08 -0700, Alan says...
On 2025-04-30 18:48, AlleyCat wrote:
On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 10:56:45 -0700, Alan says...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's
cratering.
True TDS is when faggot left-wingers screech and flail about because
the stock market, which does NOT represent the ECONOMY, falls a bit.
But not only have the Markets fallen, but the US Dollar has lost 10% of
its value vs other currencies which unequivocally is the "Economy".
Only idiots freak out and sell.
Actually, it depends on a lot of factors, such as one's sequence of
returns risks. Naturally, it is better to avoid selling on the drop,
but situations may merit even doing that.
In any event, the recent recovery has resulted in an interim period
where one may choose to sell to limit losses by selling equities in anticipation of a much larger drop this summer, when the tariffs result
in material shortages and further US GDP contraction (yesterday's 1Q25
report came in at -0.3%, vs +0.3% expected).
most-workers-dont-have-one.html>But Trump has "screeched and flailed" about it...
"It"?
What is "it"?
The Market OR the Economy or both at the SAME time?
Has he EVER said, "The Market IS the economy and the economy is doing
well, because the Market is"?
Nope.
Unless you can come up with verifiable quotes...
Trump has often equated the two even if he's never pedantically made the exact quote you're trying to demand with your goalpost stretch move.
For example:
Jan 31, 2018 — "The great news for Americans — 401(k) retirement pension and college savings accounts have gone through the roof," Trump said
<https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/31/trump-cites-401k-gains-in-speech-yet-
“There will be NO change to your 401(k). This has always been a greatto-401k-plans.html>
and popular middle class tax break that works, and it stays!” Trump said
<https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/23/trump-says-there-will-be-no-change-
“If for some reason I wouldn’t have won the [2016] election, these markets would have crashed. That’ll happen even more so in 2020,” Trump said. “See, the bottom line is… You have no choice but to vote for me because your 401k, everything is going to be down the tubes. So whetherthe-tubes/>
you love me or hate me, you’ve got to vote for me.”
<https://401kspecialistmag.com/trump-on-401ks-vote-for-me-or-its-down-
"Your 401(k) will drop down to nothing, and the stock market will dropk-s-will-drop-down-to-nothing-11593712819>
down to nothing."
<https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-with-other-presidents-your-401-
And so on.
Trump has often equated the two even if he's never pedantically made the exact quote you're trying to demand with your goalpost stretch move.
PLONK!
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IkbCeZ9to>
-hh
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
In article <vuto8t$phvr$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.comBecause his actions were to blame.
says...
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.
On 2025-05-01 10:52, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuto8t$phvr$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.Because his actions were to blame.
What we absolutely know is that up until Trump's changes in policy, all
was well in the US economy.
By every metric you can think of, things have been made worse since
Trump's changes.
The Afghanistan situation is analogous to being handed the controls of
an aircraft that was put into a steep dive by the previous pilot and
being unable to pull up successfully.
The economy before Trump was flying high and Trump has pushed it into a nosedive.
In article <vv0p5l$3h5bn$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-05-01 10:52, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuto8t$phvr$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.comBecause his actions were to blame.
says...
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.
Nope, he wasn't president.
What we absolutely know is that up until Trump's changes in policy, all
was well in the US economy.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
By every metric you can think of, things have been made worse since
Trump's changes.
The Afghanistan situation is analogous to being handed the controls of
an aircraft that was put into a steep dive by the previous pilot and
being unable to pull up successfully.
Joe Biden could have done it many other ways. He got
people killed.
The economy before Trump was flying high and Trump has pushed it into a
nosedive.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
On Thu, 1 May 2025 09:19:24 -0400, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
But not only have the Markets fallen, but the US Dollar has lost 10% of
its value vs other currencies which unequivocally is the "Economy".
This also makes imports more expensive.
In article <vv0p5l$3h5bn$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
On 2025-05-01 10:52, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuto8t$phvr$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.comBecause his actions were to blame.
says...
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.
Nope, he wasn't president.
What we absolutely know is that up until Trump's changes in policy, all
was well in the US economy.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
By every metric you can think of, things have been made worse since
Trump's changes.
The Afghanistan situation is analogous to being handed the controls of
an aircraft that was put into a steep dive by the previous pilot and
being unable to pull up successfully.
Joe Biden could have done it many other ways.
He got people killed.
The economy before Trump was flying high and Trump has pushed it into a
nosedive.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
On 5/1/25 13:03, Governor Swill wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 09:19:24 -0400, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
But not only have the Markets fallen, but the US Dollar has lost 10% of
its value vs other currencies which unequivocally is the "Economy".
This also makes imports more expensive.
Precisely this point's fiscal mechanism, because roughly 14% of the USA's GDP is
imports. With them becoming 10% more expensive, that's very roughly equivalent
to having a +1.4% increase in inflation
...and that's before the additional expenses of new tariffs are added.Tariffs also are not inflationary. They raise the price of imported goods, relative to the price of the same goods produced domestically, but they do not raise *general* price levels.
In article <vv0p5l$3h5bn$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
On 2025-05-01 10:52, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuto8t$phvr$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.comBecause his actions were to blame.
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.
Nope, he wasn't president.
What we absolutely know is that up until Trump's changes in policy, all
was well in the US economy.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
By every metric you can think of, things have been made worse since
Trump's changes.
The Afghanistan situation is analogous to being handed the controls of
an aircraft that was put into a steep dive by the previous pilot and
being unable to pull up successfully.
Joe Biden could have done it many other ways. He got
people killed.
On 5/1/2025 7:03 PM, -hh wrote:
On 5/1/25 13:03, Governor Swill wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2025 09:19:24 -0400, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
But not only have the Markets fallen, but the US Dollar has lost 10% of >>>> its value vs other currencies which unequivocally is the "Economy".
This also makes imports more expensive.
Precisely this point's fiscal mechanism, because roughly 14% of the
USA's GDP is imports. With them becoming 10% more expensive, that's
very roughly equivalent to having a +1.4% increase in inflation
No. Inflation is a *general* rise in prices, not a rise in limited
categories of prices.
If there's a blight that reduces coffee bean harvests in Latin
America and coffee prices rise due to a reduction in supply, that
is *not* inflationary. That is a *relative* price increase.
...and that's before the additional expenses of new tariffs are added.
Tariffs also are not inflationary. They raise the price of imported
goods, relative to the price of the same goods produced domestically,
but they do not raise *general* price levels.
Virtually no one in Usenet understands what inflation is. Price
increases *by themselves* are not necessarily inflationary.
Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vv0p5l$3h5bn$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
On 2025-05-01 10:52, Skeeter OG wrote:
In article <vuto8t$phvr$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.comBecause his actions were to blame.
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the
stock market was doing well because of him...
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.
Nope, he wasn't president.
Didn't have to be. It was his agreement that was in
effect.
https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-islamic-state-group-taliban-politics-afghanistan-01ac38c793ca71a2ec099c226e50e7c8
October 8, 2020
The U.S. military was blindsided Thursday by
President Donald Trump’s assertion that all U.S.
troops will be out of Afghanistan by the end of
the year, with U.S. officials saying they are
not aware of such a plan and have gotten no
actual order to accelerate the more gradual
pullout they’ve been executing.
Trump’s comments, laid out in a confusing
progression of comments and a tweet, alarmed
Pentagon and State officials who fear that
putting a definitive date on troop withdrawal
could undercut negotiations to finalize a peace
deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government.
They also fear a hasty withdrawal could force the
U.S. to leave behind sensitive military equipment.
And they continue to stress that the Taliban has
still not met requirements to reduce violence
against the Afghans, a key element of the U.S.
withdrawal plan.
The Taliban welcomed Trump’s announcements ...
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/568154-trumps-deal-with-the-taliban-set-the-stage-for-the-afghan-collapse/
Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage
for the Afghan collapse
08/17/21
"...this was a "withdrawal" agreement between
the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms
for the complete departure of American troops
from Afghanistan by May 2021.
What did the United States gain in exchange for
this withdrawal, for which the Taliban had been
fighting for 20 years? Nothing but vague,
unenforceable promises that the Taliban would not
engage in hostilities against the departing U.S.
troops and would "send a clear message" to al
Qaeda that it had no place" in Afghanistan. So
eager Trump was to withdraw, we did not even
hold out for a clear, firm commitment that the
Taliban would not provide aid, safe harbor or
weaponry to al Qaeda and like-minded groups.
The agreement contained no enforcement
mechanisms and included no penalties on the
Taliban for failing to comply with its terms."
What we absolutely know is that up until Trump's changes in policy, all
was well in the US economy.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
By every metric you can think of, things have been made worse since
Trump's changes.
The Afghanistan situation is analogous to being handed the controls of
an aircraft that was put into a steep dive by the previous pilot and
being unable to pull up successfully.
Joe Biden could have done it many other ways. He got
people killed.
So did the FELONdent.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/28/opinion/trump-taliban-deal-diplomacy.html
Mr. Trump agreed to withdraw all coalition forces from
Afghanistan in 14 months, end all military and contractor
support to Afghan security forces and cease “intervening
in its domestic affairs.” He forced the Afghan government
to release 5,000 Taliban fighters and relax economic
sanctions.
On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:29:15 -0400, -hh wrote:
On 5/1/25 18:28, Skeeter OG wrote:
nuh-uh@nope.com says...
On 2025-05-01 10:52, Skeeter OG wrote:
nuh-uh@nope.com says...Because his actions were to blame.
...is believing Trump when he claimed before being elected that the >>>>>> stock market was doing well because of him...You blamed Trump for Afghanistan soooo.
...but 100 days into his administration, it's Biden's fault it's cratering.
Nope, he wasn't president.
Trump got the Taliban leader & 5,000 of his army freed...
The Big Deal Maker has caved repeatedly. He's now reduced to caving
in to Zelensky. The minerals deal was finally signed, but on
Ukraine's terms. They owe us nothing for the support they've given
but we will sell them whatever they have the cash for as well as
provide intel support. The EU is onboard with this and even as they
raise their own defense spending, they're collecting funds to pay for purchases of US weaponry. Word is, the first order, some $50M, is on
the way already and Zelensky has placed an order for 15 Patriot
systems at a billion per - in cash USD.
Big Daddy is mighty upset that his Russian friend dumped him when he
stopped being useful. That little chat with Volodomyr at the Vatican
iced up the cake real well.
What we absolutely know is that up until Trump's changes in policy, all >>>> was well in the US economy.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
It is yet another illustration of how everything Trump touches ... dies.
No tariff deals yet, nobody even admitting to US/China tariff
negotiations. He's done nothing but back down ever since Liberation
Day.
By every metric you can think of, things have been made worse since
Trump's changes.
The Afghanistan situation is analogous to being handed the controls of >>>> an aircraft that was put into a steep dive by the previous pilot and
being unable to pull up successfully.
Joe Biden could have done it many other ways.
How? Be specific.
<crickets>
Include how Biden could have overruled Trump on the lift restrictions
imposed on the DoD in 2017-20 which is why tons of equipment were left.
He got people killed.
But soldiers get killed during peacetime too. In fact, there's been
just as many US soldiers who've died just since Trump took office in
January (13) than those who died in the Afghanistan evacuation:
4 - Lithuania
1 - Ft Jackson
1 - Ft Campbell
1 - Ft McCoy
1 - Ft Bragg
2 - Fort Stewart
3 - DC Blackhawk
For Afghanistan, success/failure is gauged by the mission vs cost: in
terms of number rescued per US KIA loss, it was the most successful
evacuation from a hot combat zone that the USA has ever performed.
More than Saigon?
The economy before Trump was flying high and Trump has pushed it into a >>>> nosedive.
What does that have to do with Afghanistan?
It is yet another illustration of how everything Trump touches ... dies.
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