• House votes to undo 3 federal waivers for CA

    From Michael Treadwell@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 1 16:25:43 2025
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    The U.S. House of Representatives has voted to undo three federal
    waivers that let California set strict vehicle pollution standards. On Wednesday, the House voted against two waivers involving heavy trucking,
    and on Thursday, it voted to reverse a state rule that would require all
    new vehicles in the state to be zero-emission by 2035.

    Two nonpartisan government entities have advised Congress that it can't actually reverse those waivers through the mechanism it's using. The
    Senate now needs to decide whether to follow that guidance — or follow
    the House.

    California's standards have been described by supporters as ambitious,
    and by critics as unrealistic. Beginning with model year 2026, the state requires 35% of new cars sold by any given automaker to be
    zero-emission. Currently, about 25% of new cars sold in California are electric; the national average is closer to 10%.

    These rules are not something automakers can brush off or overlook.
    California is a huge state and a major auto market. Other states can't
    set their own standards, but they can opt to follow California's, and
    about a dozen have adopted its zero-emission rule. The result is that
    more than 30% of the U.S. auto market is governed by California's policies.

    "California's waiver has a massive impact," Stephanie Brinley, the
    associate director of AutoIntelligence at S&P Global Mobility, wrote in
    a report in January 2025.

    The Alliance for Automotive Innovation, a trade group representing
    automakers, had pushed hard for Congress to step in and overrule
    California because they argue that consumer demand for EVs is not strong
    enough to support California's targets. John Bozzella, the trade group's president, has warned that meeting the requirements would "take a
    miracle" and said in a statement Wednesday that "thousands of American
    auto jobs and millions of units of U.S. auto production are at stake."

    Environmental groups such as the Union of Concerned Scientists argue
    that flexibilities built into the rules make them more achievable than
    they seem. And they say stricter regulations are important for
    protecting public health and the climate.

    "This vote is an unprecedented and reckless attack on states' legal
    authority to address the vehicle pollution causing asthma, lung disease
    and heart conditions," Kathy Harris, Director of Clean Vehicles at the
    Natural Resources Defense Council, wrote in a statement.

    Here's how we got here, and what's next.

    What is a "California waiver"?
    Picture Los Angeles in the 1940s and '50s. Beautiful beaches, palm trees
    and picturesque homes — that were impossible to see behind a thick haze.
    That choking smog was fueled by air pollution from cars and industry,
    which became trapped mid-air by mountains and wind patterns.

    Facing this unusually severe problem, the state began regulating air
    pollution well before the federal government did. As a result,
    California has a unique privilege: It, alone among U.S. states, can
    impose its own emissions standards that are stricter than the nation's.

    Each time California wants to add a new, stricter rule, it has to obtain
    a waiver from the EPA. It's done that more than 75 times.

    Today, the House voted to rescind the waiver that let California issue
    its zero-emission rule for passenger cars, along with two more that
    allow California to set rules for heavy trucks. One rule would require
    more heavy trucks to be electric, while the other would require new
    diesel vehicles to become cleaner.

    Those three California rules aren't just about reducing smog. Cars and
    trucks are a major source of the carbon dioxide emissions that are
    warming the planet. Increasingly, California has become a global leader
    in reducing the carbon emissions that fuel climate change, and
    zero-emission vehicles are a key part of those climate policies.

    California's climate-minded vehicle regulations, far more aggressive
    than the federal standards and explicitly designed to fight climate
    change, have long outraged President Trump and his allies. Trump has
    dismissed climate concerns and prioritized the domestic fossil fuel
    industry, and opposes regulations that he describes as limiting consumer choice.

    The Trump administration is working to eliminate a number of the Biden administration's pro-EV policies, from freezing EV charger funding to reconsidering federal vehicle standards.

    But even if the administration eases federal standards, California's
    tougher rules still push the auto industry to move aggressively toward
    EVs. That's why reversing these waivers is a key part of the Trump administration's broader deregulation plan.

    Wait, didn't this happen before?
    Yes. During the first Trump presidency, the federal government revoked a
    waiver that allowed California to set its own vehicle standards. That
    had never been done before, and triggered years of litigation.

    It also split the auto industry. Some companies that had already made
    costly investments based on existing rules, and that were looking for
    some consistency among flip-flopping policies, sided with California.
    They agreed to follow the state's rules regardless of whether they were
    legally required to. Others sided with the Trump administration. The
    whole situation was messy, chaotic and, ultimately, temporary.

    When Biden took office, the waiver was reinstated. Over the next few
    years California made its rules even stricter, requiring a new waiver to
    be granted — the one on passenger vehicles that the House just voted to nix.

    What's different this time?
    The new Trump administration is now trying a different tactic to
    eliminate these waivers.

    The EPA grants them. In the first Trump term, it was also the EPA that
    revoked the passenger vehicle waiver. As soon as Biden was in office,
    the EPA just issued the waiver again. That flip-flopping could,
    hypothetically, continue with each new administration, unless something changes.

    This time, Congress is attempting to use the Congressional Review Act to reverse the EPA's decision to grant these waivers in the first place.
    It's a little bit like pressing an "undo" button, wiping the waivers out
    of existence.

    It's only an option within a narrow window of time — and it only works
    if the president's party controls Congress. (Trump used this tool
    heavily in his first administration.) Significantly, rules that are
    reversed under the CRA may not be reissued in "substantially the same
    form" unless Congress passes a new law authorizing that specific rule.

    The Congressional Review Act also states that actions taken under it are
    not subject to judicial review, meaning that courts can't overturn
    Congress' decision. But if the California waiver is in fact revoked
    under the CRA, expect legal challenges anyway.

    "It's guaranteed," says Christopher "Smitty" Smith, an environmental
    lawyer in California. "And that's something I'm willing to state: It's guaranteed to result in litigation."

    What's next?
    Now, the Senate has a decision to make.

    The Government Accountability Office, a federal agency, believes the
    waiver is not actually eligible for this kind of reversal. So does the
    Senate parliamentarian, a sort of referee over what Congress can and
    can't do according to its own rules. Three Democratic senators say the parliamentarian "reaffirmed" in early April that the waiver is not
    subject to the Congressional Review Act.

    The parliamentarian is not elected, and while her rulings hold
    significant weight in the Senate, they are not binding.

    But overruling the parliamentarian violates long-held Senate norms — the
    same norms that keep the filibuster in place.

    Reports indicate that some Republican senators have been weighing
    whether eliminating the California rules justifies breaking that norm.

    Lobbying on this issue has been intense, with traditional automakers and
    the oil industry pushing hard for Congress to eliminate the rules, and
    public health groups like the American Lung Association joining
    environmental and EV groups to defend California's policies.

    https://laist.com/brief/news/climate-environment/grants-for-electric-trucks-in-la-remain-frozen-in-trump-effort-to-defund-green-energy

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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to Michael Treadwell on Thu May 1 23:57:27 2025
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    On 5/1/25 7:25 PM, Michael Treadwell wrote:
    The U.S. House of Representatives has voted to undo three federal
    waivers that let California set strict vehicle pollution standards.

    Good.

    Cal cannot dictate to the entire country.

    The place is INFESTED with ultra-greenieLefties.

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  • From Siri Cruz@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun May 4 14:11:18 2025
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    On 4/5/25 11:36, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:57:27 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    Cal cannot dictate to the entire country.

    The place is INFESTED with ultra-greenieLefties.

    On second thought, California isn't dictating to anybody.

    Wtf?

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    California buys a lot of cars. A manufacturer selling here will
    have to make cleaner cars. Eris forbid, they might sell cleaner
    cars outside the state. Then Texans will not find dirty cars,
    thus forced to buy clean cars.

    The horror.
    The horror.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Siri Cruz on Mon May 5 08:17:26 2025
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    Siri Cruz wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

    On 4/5/25 11:36, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Thu, 1 May 2025 23:57:27 -0400, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

    Cal cannot dictate to the entire country.
    The place is INFESTED with ultra-greenieLefties.

    On second thought, California isn't dictating to anybody.

    Wtf?

    California buys a lot of cars. A manufacturer selling here will
    have to make cleaner cars. Eris forbid, they might sell cleaner
    cars outside the state. Then Texans will not find dirty cars,
    thus forced to buy clean cars.

    The horror.
    The horror.

    Make Rollin' Coal Great Again!

    https://www.kjeanrl.com/full-blog/connerblog1

    In response to these regulations, some diesel truck owners have removed or
    altered their trucks’ emissions controls to allow their trucks to “roll
    coal.” The act of “rolling coal” has been ridiculed by many
    environmentalists. Many of them consider these actions to be repulsive and
    often view “rolling coal” as a conservative political stance against the
    Obama Administration. However, diesel truck owners oftentimes defend these
    actions as a “brazen show of American freedom.”

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    catered to.
    -- Douglas Coupland, "Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture"

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