• What is habeas corpus, the legal procedure Trump is considering suspend

    From slothe@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 19:34:00 2025
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    The future of habeas corpus has been pushed into the spotlight as
    President Donald Trump has been involved in discussions inside his administration over potentially taking the extreme step of suspending the procedure.

    What is habeas corpus?
    Habeas corpus is a legal principle that allows people who believe they are being unlawfully detained or imprisoned to petition for their release in
    court.

    Immigrants and rights groups have filed habeas petitions in recent months
    as Trump has tried to speed up deportations as part of his immigration
    agenda.

    Still, habeas petitions are notoriously difficult to win in federal court,
    and it will be a challenge for most immigrants to obtain lawyers.

    How serious would suspending habeas corpus be?
    Lee Kovarsky, law professor at the University of Texas and expert on
    habeas corpus, said it would be a “national historical disaster.”

    “The executive could just detain you, and there would be no recourse,” he
    said. “Obviously they would do it to try to detain certain non citizens,
    but there’s no reason why it’s limited to them.”

    White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said Friday the
    administration was “actively looking at” suspending habeas corpus and it “depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.”

    But the Constitution allows habeas corpus to be suspended only when “in
    Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”

    “The Constitution makes clear that suspension of habeas corpus is to be reserved for actual rebellion or invasion posing the most dire threats to public safety. And Congress has never passed a law authorizing
    deportations without any court involvement, as Miller suggests,” CNN
    senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Elie Honig said.

    Kovarsky said the reason why suspension of habeas corpus is so restricted
    “is precisely because it’s so severe.”

    “You have no right, to a court, to say that you’re being unlawfully
    detained. So in a way, the cash value of your substantive rights is zero
    if you don’t have a judge to evaluate them,” he said.

    What has the Supreme Court said about habeas corpus?
    The Supreme Court issued a murky, unsigned order on April 7 allowing Trump
    to use the centuries-old Alien Enemies Act to speed up deportations for
    now while at the same time, the court said migrants subject to deportation under the act were entitled to notice and an opportunity to challenge
    their removal through federal habeas corpus petitions, marking a partial
    win for migrants.

    Following the Supreme Court’s decision, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a series of habeas lawsuits seeking to protect identified clients as
    well as “similarly situated” Venezuelans who could potentially be targeted under the Alien Enemies Act.

    The Supreme Court also issued a rare overnight order on April 19th where a majority of justices blocked the Trump administration from deporting a
    group of immigrants in Texas.

    When has habeas corpus come up in other cases?
    Habeas corpus has been used in US courts including over issues with
    detaining alleged enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in recent
    years. The Supreme Court initially ruled in 2008 that detainees at the Guantanamo prison have the right to habeas corpus.

    In one case, a federal judge ruled in 2021 that the detention of one
    detainee being held at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay was
    unlawful. The judge granted a petition for a writ of habeas corpus to
    Asadullah Haroon Gul, who was accused of being a member of an extremist
    group.

    Gul, whom the US went on to repatriate to Afghanistan, became the first detainee at the Guantanamo Bay prison to win a habeas petition in 10
    years.

    Another high-profile case related to habeas corpus involves Mahmoud
    Khalil, the Palestinian activist and legal permanent resident who was
    detained by immigration officers in March. Khali filed a habeas corpus
    petition to challenge the legality of his detention, and his case still
    faces legal challenges as he faces deportation.

    Has habeas corpus been suspended before?
    Habeas corpus has been suspended only four times in the history of the US, including by former President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.

    The other three times include “in eleven South Carolina counties overrun
    by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction; in two provinces of the
    Philippines during a 1905 insurrection; and in Hawaii after the bombing of Pearl Harbor,” according to the National Constitution Center.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/politics/habeas-corpus-explained

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  • From Dark Brandon@21:1/5 to slothe on Mon May 12 17:41:40 2025
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    On 5/10/2025 1:34 PM, slothe wrote:
    The future of habeas corpus has been pushed into the spotlight as
    President Donald Trump has been involved in discussions inside his administration over potentially taking the extreme step of suspending the procedure.

    What is habeas corpus?
    Habeas corpus is a legal principle that allows people who believe they are being unlawfully detained or imprisoned to petition for their release in court.

    Immigrants and rights groups have filed habeas petitions in recent months
    as Trump has tried to speed up deportations as part of his immigration agenda.

    Still, habeas petitions are notoriously difficult to win in federal court, and it will be a challenge for most immigrants to obtain lawyers.

    How serious would suspending habeas corpus be?
    Lee Kovarsky, law professor at the University of Texas and expert on
    habeas corpus, said it would be a “national historical disaster.”

    “The executive could just detain you, and there would be no recourse,” he said. “Obviously they would do it to try to detain certain non citizens, but there’s no reason why it’s limited to them.”

    White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said Friday the administration was “actively looking at” suspending habeas corpus and it “depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.”

    But the Constitution allows habeas corpus to be suspended only when “in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”

    “The Constitution makes clear that suspension of habeas corpus is to be reserved for actual rebellion or invasion posing the most dire threats to public safety. And Congress has never passed a law authorizing
    deportations without any court involvement, as Miller suggests,” CNN
    senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Elie Honig said.

    Kovarsky said the reason why suspension of habeas corpus is so restricted “is precisely because it’s so severe.”

    “You have no right, to a court, to say that you’re being unlawfully detained. So in a way, the cash value of your substantive rights is zero
    if you don’t have a judge to evaluate them,” he said.

    What has the Supreme Court said about habeas corpus?
    The Supreme Court issued a murky, unsigned order on April 7 allowing Trump
    to use the centuries-old Alien Enemies Act to speed up deportations for
    now while at the same time, the court said migrants subject to deportation under the act were entitled to notice and an opportunity to challenge
    their removal through federal habeas corpus petitions, marking a partial
    win for migrants.

    Following the Supreme Court’s decision, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a series of habeas lawsuits seeking to protect identified clients as well as “similarly situated” Venezuelans who could potentially be targeted
    under the Alien Enemies Act.

    The Supreme Court also issued a rare overnight order on April 19th where a majority of justices blocked the Trump administration from deporting a
    group of immigrants in Texas.

    When has habeas corpus come up in other cases?
    Habeas corpus has been used in US courts including over issues with
    detaining alleged enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in recent
    years. The Supreme Court initially ruled in 2008 that detainees at the Guantanamo prison have the right to habeas corpus.

    In one case, a federal judge ruled in 2021 that the detention of one
    detainee being held at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay was
    unlawful. The judge granted a petition for a writ of habeas corpus to Asadullah Haroon Gul, who was accused of being a member of an extremist group.

    Gul, whom the US went on to repatriate to Afghanistan, became the first detainee at the Guantanamo Bay prison to win a habeas petition in 10
    years.

    Another high-profile case related to habeas corpus involves Mahmoud
    Khalil, the Palestinian activist and legal permanent resident who was detained by immigration officers in March. Khali filed a habeas corpus petition to challenge the legality of his detention, and his case still
    faces legal challenges as he faces deportation.

    Has habeas corpus been suspended before?
    Habeas corpus has been suspended only four times in the history of the US, including by former President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.

    The other three times include “in eleven South Carolina counties overrun
    by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction; in two provinces of the Philippines during a 1905 insurrection; and in Hawaii after the bombing of Pearl Harbor,” according to the National Constitution Center.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/politics/habeas-corpus-explained

    An excellent review of the subject. Thanks for posting. Personally, I
    think that the influx of TdA and MS-13 gang members along with the ten
    or more million invaders that Biden-Harris and Mayorkis let in on their
    watch constitutes an invasion and warrants treating it as such. As
    former governor of Colorado Dick Lamm said, "A country without borders
    is no longer a nation."

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    AOC, when asked how her multi-trillion dollar Green New Deal could be
    funded, replied, "Taxes can pay some, and government can pay the rest".

    Keep voting for the "lesser" evil and you'll end up in bed with Satan.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Dark Brandon on Mon May 12 17:22:20 2025
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    On 2025-05-12 16:41, Dark Brandon wrote:
    On 5/10/2025 1:34 PM, slothe wrote:
    The future of habeas corpus has been pushed into the spotlight as
    President Donald Trump has been involved in discussions inside his
    administration over potentially taking the extreme step of suspending the
    procedure.

    What is habeas corpus?
    Habeas corpus is a legal principle that allows people who believe they
    are
    being unlawfully detained or imprisoned to petition for their release in
    court.

    Immigrants and rights groups have filed habeas petitions in recent months
    as Trump has tried to speed up deportations as part of his immigration
    agenda.

    Still, habeas petitions are notoriously difficult to win in federal
    court,
    and it will be a challenge for most immigrants to obtain lawyers.

    How serious would suspending habeas corpus be?
    Lee Kovarsky, law professor at the University of Texas and expert on
    habeas corpus, said it would be a “national historical disaster.”

    “The executive could just detain you, and there would be no recourse,” he
    said. “Obviously they would do it to try to detain certain non citizens, >> but there’s no reason why it’s limited to them.”

    White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller said Friday the
    administration was “actively looking at” suspending habeas corpus and it >> “depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.”

    But the Constitution allows habeas corpus to be suspended only when “in
    Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”

    “The Constitution makes clear that suspension of habeas corpus is to be
    reserved for actual rebellion or invasion posing the most dire threats to
    public safety. And Congress has never passed a law authorizing
    deportations without any court involvement, as Miller suggests,” CNN
    senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Elie Honig said.

    Kovarsky said the reason why suspension of habeas corpus is so restricted
    “is precisely because it’s so severe.”

    “You have no right, to a court, to say that you’re being unlawfully
    detained. So in a way, the cash value of your substantive rights is zero
    if you don’t have a judge to evaluate them,” he said.

    What has the Supreme Court said about habeas corpus?
    The Supreme Court issued a murky, unsigned order on April 7 allowing
    Trump
    to use the centuries-old Alien Enemies Act to speed up deportations for
    now while at the same time, the court said migrants subject to
    deportation
    under the act were entitled to notice and an opportunity to challenge
    their removal through federal habeas corpus petitions, marking a partial
    win for migrants.

    Following the Supreme Court’s decision, the American Civil Liberties
    Union
    filed a series of habeas lawsuits seeking to protect identified
    clients as
    well as “similarly situated” Venezuelans who could potentially be
    targeted
    under the Alien Enemies Act.

    The Supreme Court also issued a rare overnight order on April 19th
    where a
    majority of justices blocked the Trump administration from deporting a
    group of immigrants in Texas.

    When has habeas corpus come up in other cases?
    Habeas corpus has been used in US courts including over issues with
    detaining alleged enemy combatants at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in recent
    years. The Supreme Court initially ruled in 2008 that detainees at the
    Guantanamo prison have the right to habeas corpus.

    In one case, a federal judge ruled in 2021 that the detention of one
    detainee being held at the US military prison in Guantanamo Bay was
    unlawful. The judge granted a petition for a writ of habeas corpus to
    Asadullah Haroon Gul, who was accused of being a member of an extremist
    group.

    Gul, whom the US went on to repatriate to Afghanistan, became the first
    detainee at the Guantanamo Bay prison to win a habeas petition in 10
    years.

    Another high-profile case related to habeas corpus involves Mahmoud
    Khalil, the Palestinian activist and legal permanent resident who was
    detained by immigration officers in March. Khali filed a habeas corpus
    petition to challenge the legality of his detention, and his case still
    faces legal challenges as he faces deportation.

    Has habeas corpus been suspended before?
    Habeas corpus has been suspended only four times in the history of the
    US,
    including by former President Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.

    The other three times include “in eleven South Carolina counties overrun >> by the Ku Klux Klan during Reconstruction; in two provinces of the
    Philippines during a 1905 insurrection; and in Hawaii after the
    bombing of
    Pearl Harbor,” according to the National Constitution Center.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/politics/habeas-corpus-explained

    An excellent review of the subject.  Thanks for posting.  Personally, I think that the influx of TdA and MS-13 gang members along with the ten
    or more million invaders that Biden-Harris and Mayorkis let in on their
    watch constitutes an invasion and warrants treating it as such. As
    former governor of Colorado Dick Lamm said, "A country without borders
    is no longer a nation."


    Wow.

    You have all been brainwashed.

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  • From Rudy Canoza@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 12 17:54:36 2025
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    On 5/12/2025 4:41 PM, "Dark Brandon," "Lucas McCain," "Hisler," "DFENS," "Jade Helm," "Duke Mantee," "Jim Crow," "Steve from Colorado", a drunk fucking child molester and subhuman Nazi filth, vomited:

    Personally, I think that the influx of TdA and MS-13 gang members

    There has been no such "influx," you subhuman Nazi filth. High estimates of the number of Tren de Aragua "members" in the U.S. are a couple of thousand. MS-13 *originated* in the USA, and nearly everyone associated with it is American.

    along with the ten or more million invaders that Biden-Harris and Mayorkis let in on their watch

    They did not "let in" any, you subhuman Nazi filth.

    constitutes an invasion

    No, you subhuman Nazi filth. In the Alien Enemy Act and in the suspension of habeas corpus clause of Article I, "invasion" *exclusively* means a military invasion by a foreign nation. And *only* Congress can do it, not an Orange Fat Fuck.

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