Turning Qatari 747 into Air Force One
could cost $1 billion and take years,
experts say
May 21
Converting a Qatari-owned 747 jet
into a new Air Force One for
President Donald Trump would involve
installing multiple top-secret
systems, cost over $1 billion and
take years to complete, three aviation
experts told NBC News.
They said that accepting the 13-year-
old jet would likely cost U.S.
taxpayers hundreds of millions of
dollars over time, noting that
refurbishing the commercial plane
would exceed its current value of
$400 million. The project might also
not be completed by the end of Trump’s
term in 2029, at which time the plane
is expected to be handed over to
Trump’s presidential library foundation.
Richard Aboulafia, an analyst and
consultant on commercial and military
aviation, said he thought turning the
Qatari jetliner into Air Force One
would cost billions and take years.
“You’re taking a 747, disassembling
it, reassembling it, and then jacking
it up to a very high level,” said
Aboulafia, a managing director at
AeroDynamic Advisory, a consulting
firm.
“Since you’re also disassembling and
reassembling the jet for security
reasons, you’re probably going to go
with the people who know it better,”
Aboulafia said. “If you have to rip
the plane apart, that’s more of a
Boeing job.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/turning-qatari-747-air- >force-one-cost-1-billion-take-years-experts-say-rcna206582
Lee wrote:
Turning Qatari 747 into Air Force One
could cost $1 billion and take years,
experts say
May 21
Converting a Qatari-owned 747 jet
into a new Air Force One for
President Donald Trump would involve
installing multiple top-secret
systems, cost over $1 billion and
take years to complete, three aviation
experts told NBC News.
They said that accepting the 13-year-
old jet would likely cost U.S.
taxpayers hundreds of millions of
dollars over time, noting that
refurbishing the commercial plane
would exceed its current value of
$400 million. The project might also
not be completed by the end of Trump’s
term in 2029, at which time the plane
is expected to be handed over to
Trump’s presidential library foundation.
Richard Aboulafia, an analyst and
consultant on commercial and military
aviation, said he thought turning the
Qatari jetliner into Air Force One
would cost billions and take years.
“You’re taking a 747, disassembling
it, reassembling it, and then jacking
it up to a very high level,” said
Aboulafia, a managing director at
AeroDynamic Advisory, a consulting
firm.
“Since you’re also disassembling and
reassembling the jet for security
reasons, you’re probably going to go
with the people who know it better,”
Aboulafia said. “If you have to rip
the plane apart, that’s more of a
Boeing job.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/turning-qatari-747-air- >> force-one-cost-1-billion-take-years-experts-say-rcna206582
Somebody's going to shoot it out of the sky. Trump better stay away.
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, plus
keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give the
flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a chance
to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, plus
keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give the
flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a chance
to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries are supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not after it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote in news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, plus >>>> keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give the
flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a chance
to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries are
supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not after it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote in news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, plus >>>> keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give the
flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a chance
to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries are
supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not after it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
On 5/23/2025 9:34 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote inPresidential ego.
news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace,
plus keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give
the flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a
chance to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries
are supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not
after it. It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until
2029 and by then what's the point of all the extra security built
into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote in news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- >email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, plus >>>> keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give the
flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a chance
to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries are
supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not after it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
On 5/23/2025 9:34 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote inPresidential ego.
news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace,
plus keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give
the flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a
chance to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries
are supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not
after it. It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until
2029 and by then what's the point of all the extra security built
into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
On Fri, 23 May 2025 13:34:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote in news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- >>email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace,
plus keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give
the flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a
chance to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries are
supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not after
it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
I get your point and I fully agree, but to be pedantic, when the
President is not flying, we have zero Air Force One aircraft. It only
becomes AF1 when the President is aboard. That exact same aircraft would
be designated AF2 if it was carrying the Vice President without the President. When they disembark, the designation is lost.
Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote in news:100q2c1$4osb$1@dont-email.me:
On 5/23/2025 9:34 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote inPresidential ego.
news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, >>>>>> plus keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give >>>>>> the flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a
chance to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries
are supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not
after it. It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until
2029 and by then what's the point of all the extra security built
into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
The rich boy who never was denied
any toy he wanted.
On Fri, 23 May 2025 14:50:37 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2025 13:34:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote in news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont- >>>email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, >>>>>> plus keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give >>>>>> the flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a
chance to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries are >>>> supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not after
it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
2 existing Air Force Ones.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
I get your point and I fully agree, but to be pedantic, when the
President is not flying, we have zero Air Force One aircraft. It only
becomes AF1 when the President is aboard. That exact same aircraft would
be designated AF2 if it was carrying the Vice President without the
President. When they disembark, the designation is lost.
Going back the the question, the two existing planes are around 40 years
old and the two that are in production have been in production for nine >years. Boeing should have them complete any year now.
On 24 May 2025 03:20:51 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2025 14:50:37 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Fri, 23 May 2025 13:34:26 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote in >>>>news:100p6c7$3vhdl$1@dont-
email.me:
On 2025-05-23 04:05:03 +0000, Governor Swill said:2 existing Air Force Ones.
On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:05:12 -0500, super70s wrote:
OK they're going to spend a billion to retrofit the flying palace, >>>>>>> plus keep the order for two new AF1's costing a billion, then give >>>>>>> the flying palace away?
Why would it be donated to Trump's library when he never had a
chance to fly in it while president?
He'll fly in it after being President.
Of course he will (if he's still alive) but presidential libraries
are supposed to be about what's going on during a presidency, not
after it.
It's been estimated this plane might not be ready until 2029 and by
then what's the point of all the extra security built into it.
2 in production Air Force Ones.
1 refurbished Qatar Air Force Ones.
Why do we need FIVE Air Force Ones?
I get your point and I fully agree, but to be pedantic, when the
President is not flying, we have zero Air Force One aircraft. It only
becomes AF1 when the President is aboard. That exact same aircraft
would be designated AF2 if it was carrying the Vice President without
the President. When they disembark, the designation is lost.
Going back the the question, the two existing planes are around 40 years >>old and the two that are in production have been in production for nine >>years. Boeing should have them complete any year now.
You can't say the truth. It gets in the way of the "Trump is evil" narrative.
On Fri, 23 May 2025 17:53:41 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:
America is the richest, most powerful, most influential, most a
dmired nation that has ever existed in the whole of human history.
Why can't MAGAs be satisfied with that?
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