• In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Lai

    From Marmalade King@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 02:58:52 2025
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    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "

    The Texas Central Railway was unveiled in 2013 as a fully privately funded high-speed rail project connecting Dallas and Houston. Originally estimated
    to cost $10 billion, the project would be able to shuttle passengers
    between the state's two largest cities in 90 minutes (versus nearly four
    hours in a car).

    Like other high-speed rail projects before it, Texas Central has run into project delays and cost overruns. By 2019, the project's investors updated their original cost estimates to $20 billion. In 2020, project estimates
    were updated again to $30 billion. A 2023 analysis by Baruch Feigenbaum,
    senior managing director of transportation policy at Reason Foundation (the nonprofit that publishes Reason), estimates that the project's operating
    and construction costs will be at least $41.6 billion.

    In September 2024, the Biden administration awarded Amtrak a $64 million
    grant to move the project forward. Despite this federal support, Japanese investors backed out of the project after claiming to have lost $272
    million.

    Kleinheinz Capital Partners, an investment firm headed by Fort Worth businessman John Kleinheinz, "bought its Japanese investors out of the
    project in January, " reports The Texas Tribune, to become the rail line's controlling interest. Andy Jent, a representative of Texas Central, told
    the Tribune that the project had acquired 25 percent of the land it needed
    to build the route.

    Despite Tuesday's announcement from the Transportation Department, which
    also directed Amtrak to rescind project leadership, the project appears
    ready to forge ahead. "We agree with Secretary Duffy that this project
    should be led by the private sector, and we will be proud to take it
    forward, " Kleinheinz Capital said in a statement.

    "Our interpretation of what the Department of Transportation released a
    couple of days ago is that number one, they don't want Amtrak leading this project, " Jent told the Texas House of Representatives' Transportation Committee on Thursday. "We also don't believe that that's in the best
    interest of the state of Texas or in the best interest of this project. "

    Despite the optimism, the project faces a long route to completion.

    The rail line has yet to lay a single foot of track or acquire the
    necessary permits to begin construction. In 2020, the Federal Railroad Administration issued a final environmental impact statement under the
    National Environmental Policy Act, which did "not grant any kind of construction approval or permit. Neither does this final rule, by itself,
    grant any permission or authority" for the company to operate. "The
    publication of this final rule is the beginning for [Texas Central
    Railroad], not the end, of its continuous obligation to demonstrate
    compliance with the regulation. "

    As of January 2024, the project had not received the necessary permits from
    the federal Surface Transportation Board to begin construction. The city of Houston has not approved a terminal site for the train, but Dallas has
    spent $1.5 million on an economic feasibility study for the project, Dallas City Council member Omar Narvaez told KERA News.

    The project has also faced opposition from the state government. In 2017,
    Texas lawmakers passed a law prohibiting the Texas legislature from appropriating funds "related to the planning, facility construction or maintenance, security, or operation of a high-speed rail project operated
    by a private entity. "

    In June 2022, the Texas Supreme Court ruled that Texas Central could use eminent domain for the rail line, which has been met with staunch
    opposition from Texas landowners. This legislative session, state Rep.
    Brian Harrison (RWaxahachie) introduced a bill that would prevent a private entity that operates high-speed rail from using eminent domain. Lawmakers
    are also considering a bill sponsored by Rep. Cody Harris (RPalestine),
    which would make it impossible for state funds to be used to pay for the alteration of roadway because of high-speed rail construction.

    Jent told lawmakers on Thursday that he still considers the project alive,
    but Kleinheinz is not, at this time, "proposing construction of the
    project. " Once the developers give the green light, Jent expects that it
    will take six months to finalize project planning. During that time, Texas Central would secure more financing and submit a final permit to the
    Surface Transportation Board. Jent expects it would then take 8086 months
    to complete construction of the project.

    This estimation is a bit ambitious, Feigenbaum tells Reason. With the
    project's cost ballooning from $10 billion to over $40 billion, "I don't
    see how they're going to come up with" the funding that's needed for the
    rail line, he says. In his testimony to lawmakers, Jent said that he
    expects the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to "provide some form
    of financing" in the future (although the bank is not funding the project
    right now).

    Feigenbaum says the project, which was essentially dormant before, will
    likely become dormant again.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Marmalade King on Fri May 23 03:43:07 2025
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    On May 22, 2025 at 7:58:52 PM PDT, "Marmalade King" <x@y.com> wrote:

    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds".

    Now he needs to come to California and do the same thing.

    We're $20 billion in the hole on our (alleged) high-speed train and also have not one inch of track to show for it. And they're now saying the project,
    which was originally budgeted at $13 billion and supposed to go from
    Sacramento to San Diego will now cost $200 billion and only go from
    Bakersfield to Modesto-- from somewhere no one is, to somewhere no one wants
    to go. It's also not going to be high-speed anymore. Since they didn't want to fight landowners over eminent domain, they decided to use existing track for large chunks of it, which isn't the right gauge to handle high speed. So it will be normal-speed rail for large portions of its route. Oh, and the tickets to ride it (if it's ever actually built) will be at least as expensive as a plane ticket from L.A. to San Francisco.

    Our train-to-nowhere is predicted to be the costliest waste of taxpayer money in the history of America. But rather than stopping this nonsense, our state assembly has gone all-in on the sunk cost fallacy. They've spent so much money already that they can't bring themselves to stop and say it was all a waste,
    so they keep shoveling money at it knowing that they might as well be lighting it on fire for all the good it will do.

    We're at the point where some people need to go to prison over this.

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri May 23 10:56:46 2025
    XPost: rec.arts.tv, sac.politics

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On May 22, 2025 at 7:58:52 PM PDT, "Marmalade King" <x@y.com> wrote:

    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a >> Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million >> federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds".

    Now he needs to come to California and do the same thing.

    We're $20 billion in the hole on our (alleged) high-speed train and also have not one inch of track to show for it. And they're now saying the project, which was originally budgeted at $13 billion and supposed to go from Sacramento to San Diego will now cost $200 billion and only go from Bakersfield to Modesto-- from somewhere no one is, to somewhere no one wants to go. It's also not going to be high-speed anymore. Since they didn't want to
    fight landowners over eminent domain, they decided to use existing track for large chunks of it, which isn't the right gauge to handle high speed. So it will be normal-speed rail for large portions of its route. Oh, and the tickets
    to ride it (if it's ever actually built) will be at least as expensive as a plane ticket from L.A. to San Francisco.

    Our train-to-nowhere is predicted to be the costliest waste of taxpayer money in the history of America. But rather than stopping this nonsense, our state assembly has gone all-in on the sunk cost fallacy. They've spent so much money
    already that they can't bring themselves to stop and say it was all a waste, so they keep shoveling money at it knowing that they might as well be lighting
    it on fire for all the good it will do.

    We're at the point where some people need to go to prison over this.


    Can’t you already take a regular speed drain from the Pueblo de Los Angeles to Frisco?

    Spiel Chuck changed train to drain and I’m leaving it in because of how absolutely perfect it is



    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Fri May 23 18:45:48 2025
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    On May 23, 2025 at 10:56:46 AM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On May 22, 2025 at 7:58:52 PM PDT, "Marmalade King" <x@y.com> wrote:

    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a >>> Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to >>> the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million >>> federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds".

    Now he needs to come to California and do the same thing.

    We're $20 billion in the hole on our (alleged) high-speed train and also
    have
    not one inch of track to show for it. And they're now saying the project, >> which was originally budgeted at $13 billion and supposed to go from
    Sacramento to San Diego will now cost $200 billion and only go from
    Bakersfield to Modesto-- from somewhere no one is, to somewhere no one wants
    to go. It's also not going to be high-speed anymore. Since they didn't want >> to
    fight landowners over eminent domain, they decided to use existing track for
    large chunks of it, which isn't the right gauge to handle high speed. So it >> will be normal-speed rail for large portions of its route. Oh, and the
    tickets
    to ride it (if it's ever actually built) will be at least as expensive as a >> plane ticket from L.A. to San Francisco.

    Our train-to-nowhere is predicted to be the costliest waste of taxpayer
    money
    in the history of America. But rather than stopping this nonsense, our state
    assembly has gone all-in on the sunk cost fallacy. They've spent so much
    money
    already that they can't bring themselves to stop and say it was all a waste,
    so they keep shoveling money at it knowing that they might as well be
    lighting
    it on fire for all the good it will do.

    We're at the point where some people need to go to prison over this.


    Can’t you already take a regular speed drain from the Pueblo de Los Angeles to Frisco?

    I have no idea but I'll guess probably.

    Spiel Chuck changed train to drain and I’m leaving it in because of how absolutely perfect it is

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  • From Radio Gnome@21:1/5 to Marmalade King on Thu May 29 07:53:26 2025
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    XPost: rec.arts.tv, sac.politics

    On 5/22/2025 10:58 PM, Marmalade King wrote:
    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "

    The Texas Central Railway was unveiled in 2013 as a fully privately funded high-speed rail project connecting Dallas and Houston. Originally estimated to cost $10 billion, the project would be able to shuttle passengers
    between the state's two largest cities in 90 minutes (versus nearly four hours in a car).

    Like other high-speed rail projects before it, Texas Central has run into project delays and cost overruns. By 2019, the project's investors updated their original cost estimates to $20 billion. In 2020, project estimates
    were updated again to $30 billion. A 2023 analysis by Baruch Feigenbaum, senior managing director of transportation policy at Reason Foundation (the nonprofit that publishes Reason), estimates that the project's operating
    and construction costs will be at least $41.6 billion.

    In September 2024, the Biden administration awarded Amtrak a $64 million grant to move the project forward. Despite this federal support, Japanese investors backed out of the project after claiming to have lost $272
    million.

    Kleinheinz Capital Partners, an investment firm headed by Fort Worth businessman John Kleinheinz, "bought its Japanese investors out of the project in January, " reports The Texas Tribune, to become the rail line's controlling interest. Andy Jent, a representative of Texas Central, told
    the Tribune that the project had acquired 25 percent of the land it needed
    to build the route.

    Despite Tuesday's announcement from the Transportation Department, which
    also directed Amtrak to rescind project leadership, the project appears
    ready to forge ahead. "We agree with Secretary Duffy that this project
    should be led by the private sector, and we will be proud to take it
    forward, " Kleinheinz Capital said in a statement.

    "Our interpretation of what the Department of Transportation released a couple of days ago is that number one, they don't want Amtrak leading this project, " Jent told the Texas House of Representatives' Transportation Committee on Thursday. "We also don't believe that that's in the best interest of the state of Texas or in the best interest of this project. "

    Despite the optimism, the project faces a long route to completion.

    The rail line has yet to lay a single foot of track or acquire the
    necessary permits to begin construction. In 2020, the Federal Railroad Administration issued a final environmental impact statement under the National Environmental Policy Act, which did "not grant any kind of construction approval or permit. Neither does this final rule, by itself, grant any permission or authority" for the company to operate. "The publication of this final rule is the beginning for [Texas Central
    Railroad], not the end, of its continuous obligation to demonstrate compliance with the regulation. "

    As of January 2024, the project had not received the necessary permits from the federal Surface Transportation Board to begin construction. The city of Houston has not approved a terminal site for the train, but Dallas has
    spent $1.5 million on an economic feasibility study for the project, Dallas City Council member Omar Narvaez told KERA News.

    The project has also faced opposition from the state government. In 2017, Texas lawmakers passed a law prohibiting the Texas legislature from appropriating funds "related to the planning, facility construction or maintenance, security, or operation of a high-speed rail project operated
    by a private entity. "

    In June 2022, the Texas Supreme Court ruled that Texas Central could use eminent domain for the rail line, which has been met with staunch
    opposition from Texas landowners. This legislative session, state Rep.
    Brian Harrison (RWaxahachie) introduced a bill that would prevent a private entity that operates high-speed rail from using eminent domain. Lawmakers
    are also considering a bill sponsored by Rep. Cody Harris (RPalestine),
    which would make it impossible for state funds to be used to pay for the alteration of roadway because of high-speed rail construction.

    Jent told lawmakers on Thursday that he still considers the project alive, but Kleinheinz is not, at this time, "proposing construction of the
    project. " Once the developers give the green light, Jent expects that it will take six months to finalize project planning. During that time, Texas Central would secure more financing and submit a final permit to the
    Surface Transportation Board. Jent expects it would then take 8086 months
    to complete construction of the project.

    This estimation is a bit ambitious, Feigenbaum tells Reason. With the project's cost ballooning from $10 billion to over $40 billion, "I don't
    see how they're going to come up with" the funding that's needed for the
    rail line, he says. In his testimony to lawmakers, Jent said that he
    expects the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to "provide some form
    of financing" in the future (although the bank is not funding the project right now).

    Feigenbaum says the project, which was essentially dormant before, will likely become dormant again.


    What's your point?

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to x@y.com on Thu May 29 04:30:50 2025
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    In article <100oo9b$3t5s6$1@dont-email.me>, x@y.com wrote:

    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a >Single Foot of Track

    MONORAIL!

    https://youtu.be/0yBPw5Oc2pE

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  • From Jim Andersen@21:1/5 to Radio Gnome on Thu May 29 13:22:18 2025
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    XPost: rec.arts.tv, sac.politics

    Radio Gnome wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 10:58 PM, Marmalade King wrote:
    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not Laid a >> Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million >> federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "

    The Texas Central Railway was unveiled in 2013 as a fully privately funded >> high-speed rail project connecting Dallas and Houston. Originally estimated >> to cost $10 billion, the project would be able to shuttle passengers
    between the state's two largest cities in 90 minutes (versus nearly four
    hours in a car).

    Like other high-speed rail projects before it, Texas Central has run into
    project delays and cost overruns. By 2019, the project's investors updated >> their original cost estimates to $20 billion. In 2020, project estimates
    were updated again to $30 billion. A 2023 analysis by Baruch Feigenbaum,
    senior managing director of transportation policy at Reason Foundation (the >> nonprofit that publishes Reason), estimates that the project's operating
    and construction costs will be at least $41.6 billion.

    In September 2024, the Biden administration awarded Amtrak a $64 million
    grant to move the project forward. Despite this federal support, Japanese
    investors backed out of the project after claiming to have lost $272
    million.

    Kleinheinz Capital Partners, an investment firm headed by Fort Worth
    businessman John Kleinheinz, "bought its Japanese investors out of the
    project in January, " reports The Texas Tribune, to become the rail line's >> controlling interest. Andy Jent, a representative of Texas Central, told
    the Tribune that the project had acquired 25 percent of the land it needed >> to build the route.

    Despite Tuesday's announcement from the Transportation Department, which
    also directed Amtrak to rescind project leadership, the project appears
    ready to forge ahead. "We agree with Secretary Duffy that this project
    should be led by the private sector, and we will be proud to take it
    forward, " Kleinheinz Capital said in a statement.

    "Our interpretation of what the Department of Transportation released a
    couple of days ago is that number one, they don't want Amtrak leading this >> project, " Jent told the Texas House of Representatives' Transportation
    Committee on Thursday. "We also don't believe that that's in the best
    interest of the state of Texas or in the best interest of this project. "

    Despite the optimism, the project faces a long route to completion.

    The rail line has yet to lay a single foot of track or acquire the
    necessary permits to begin construction. In 2020, the Federal Railroad
    Administration issued a final environmental impact statement under the
    National Environmental Policy Act, which did "not grant any kind of
    construction approval or permit. Neither does this final rule, by itself,
    grant any permission or authority" for the company to operate. "The
    publication of this final rule is the beginning for [Texas Central
    Railroad], not the end, of its continuous obligation to demonstrate
    compliance with the regulation. "

    As of January 2024, the project had not received the necessary permits from >> the federal Surface Transportation Board to begin construction. The city of >> Houston has not approved a terminal site for the train, but Dallas has
    spent $1.5 million on an economic feasibility study for the project, Dallas >> City Council member Omar Narvaez told KERA News.

    The project has also faced opposition from the state government. In 2017,
    Texas lawmakers passed a law prohibiting the Texas legislature from
    appropriating funds "related to the planning, facility construction or
    maintenance, security, or operation of a high-speed rail project operated
    by a private entity. "

    In June 2022, the Texas Supreme Court ruled that Texas Central could use
    eminent domain for the rail line, which has been met with staunch
    opposition from Texas landowners. This legislative session, state Rep.
    Brian Harrison (RWaxahachie) introduced a bill that would prevent a private >> entity that operates high-speed rail from using eminent domain. Lawmakers
    are also considering a bill sponsored by Rep. Cody Harris (RPalestine),
    which would make it impossible for state funds to be used to pay for the
    alteration of roadway because of high-speed rail construction.

    Jent told lawmakers on Thursday that he still considers the project alive, >> but Kleinheinz is not, at this time, "proposing construction of the
    project. " Once the developers give the green light, Jent expects that it
    will take six months to finalize project planning. During that time, Texas >> Central would secure more financing and submit a final permit to the
    Surface Transportation Board. Jent expects it would then take 8086 months
    to complete construction of the project.

    This estimation is a bit ambitious, Feigenbaum tells Reason. With the
    project's cost ballooning from $10 billion to over $40 billion, "I don't
    see how they're going to come up with" the funding that's needed for the
    rail line, he says. In his testimony to lawmakers, Jent said that he
    expects the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to "provide some form >> of financing" in the future (although the bank is not funding the project
    right now).

    Feigenbaum says the project, which was essentially dormant before, will
    likely become dormant again.


    What's your point?


    A private-sector US taxpayer should be angry about government waste.

    Obviously, Democrat pajama "workers" on the government dole would be in favor of the waste.

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  • From Radio Gnome@21:1/5 to Jim Andersen on Thu May 29 13:31:29 2025
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    XPost: rec.arts.tv, sac.politics

    On 5/29/2025 1:22 PM, Jim Andersen wrote:
    Radio Gnome wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 10:58 PM, Marmalade King wrote:
    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not
    Laid a
    Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a
    blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9
    million
    federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "

    The Texas Central Railway was unveiled in 2013 as a fully privately
    funded
    high-speed rail project connecting Dallas and Houston. Originally
    estimated
    to cost $10 billion, the project would be able to shuttle passengers
    between the state's two largest cities in 90 minutes (versus nearly four >>> hours in a car).

    Like other high-speed rail projects before it, Texas Central has run
    into
    project delays and cost overruns. By 2019, the project's investors
    updated
    their original cost estimates to $20 billion. In 2020, project estimates >>> were updated again to $30 billion. A 2023 analysis by Baruch Feigenbaum, >>> senior managing director of transportation policy at Reason
    Foundation (the
    nonprofit that publishes Reason), estimates that the project's operating >>> and construction costs will be at least $41.6 billion.

    In September 2024, the Biden administration awarded Amtrak a $64 million >>> grant to move the project forward. Despite this federal support,
    Japanese
    investors backed out of the project after claiming to have lost $272
    million.

    Kleinheinz Capital Partners, an investment firm headed by Fort Worth
    businessman John Kleinheinz, "bought its Japanese investors out of the
    project in January, " reports The Texas Tribune, to become the rail
    line's
    controlling interest. Andy Jent, a representative of Texas Central, told >>> the Tribune that the project had acquired 25 percent of the land it
    needed
    to build the route.

    Despite Tuesday's announcement from the Transportation Department, which >>> also directed Amtrak to rescind project leadership, the project appears
    ready to forge ahead. "We agree with Secretary Duffy that this project
    should be led by the private sector, and we will be proud to take it
    forward, " Kleinheinz Capital said in a statement.

    "Our interpretation of what the Department of Transportation released a
    couple of days ago is that number one, they don't want Amtrak leading
    this
    project, " Jent told the Texas House of Representatives' Transportation
    Committee on Thursday. "We also don't believe that that's in the best
    interest of the state of Texas or in the best interest of this
    project. "

    Despite the optimism, the project faces a long route to completion.

    The rail line has yet to lay a single foot of track or acquire the
    necessary permits to begin construction. In 2020, the Federal Railroad
    Administration issued a final environmental impact statement under the
    National Environmental Policy Act, which did "not grant any kind of
    construction approval or permit. Neither does this final rule, by
    itself,
    grant any permission or authority" for the company to operate. "The
    publication of this final rule is the beginning for [Texas Central
    Railroad], not the end, of its continuous obligation to demonstrate
    compliance with the regulation. "

    As of January 2024, the project had not received the necessary
    permits from
    the federal Surface Transportation Board to begin construction. The
    city of
    Houston has not approved a terminal site for the train, but Dallas has
    spent $1.5 million on an economic feasibility study for the project,
    Dallas
    City Council member Omar Narvaez told KERA News.

    The project has also faced opposition from the state government. In
    2017,
    Texas lawmakers passed a law prohibiting the Texas legislature from
    appropriating funds "related to the planning, facility construction or
    maintenance, security, or operation of a high-speed rail project
    operated
    by a private entity. "

    In June 2022, the Texas Supreme Court ruled that Texas Central could use >>> eminent domain for the rail line, which has been met with staunch
    opposition from Texas landowners. This legislative session, state Rep.
    Brian Harrison (RWaxahachie) introduced a bill that would prevent a
    private
    entity that operates high-speed rail from using eminent domain.
    Lawmakers
    are also considering a bill sponsored by Rep. Cody Harris (RPalestine),
    which would make it impossible for state funds to be used to pay for the >>> alteration of roadway because of high-speed rail construction.

    Jent told lawmakers on Thursday that he still considers the project
    alive,
    but Kleinheinz is not, at this time, "proposing construction of the
    project. " Once the developers give the green light, Jent expects
    that it
    will take six months to finalize project planning. During that time,
    Texas
    Central would secure more financing and submit a final permit to the
    Surface Transportation Board. Jent expects it would then take 8086
    months
    to complete construction of the project.

    This estimation is a bit ambitious, Feigenbaum tells Reason. With the
    project's cost ballooning from $10 billion to over $40 billion, "I don't >>> see how they're going to come up with" the funding that's needed for the >>> rail line, he says. In his testimony to lawmakers, Jent said that he
    expects the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to "provide some
    form
    of financing" in the future (although the bank is not funding the
    project
    right now).

    Feigenbaum says the project, which was essentially dormant before, will
    likely become dormant again.


    What's your point?


    A private-sector US taxpayer should be angry about government waste.

    This is a private venture. No taxpayer funds involved.

    Obviously, Democrat pajama "workers" on the government dole would be in
    favor of the waste.


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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Radio Gnome on Fri May 30 09:20:52 2025
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    On 5/29/25 13:31, Radio Gnome wrote:
    On 5/29/2025 1:22 PM, Jim Andersen wrote:
    Radio Gnome wrote:
    On 5/22/2025 10:58 PM, Marmalade King wrote:
    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not
    Laid a
    Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be >>>> over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a
    blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9
    million
    federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "

    The Texas Central Railway was unveiled in 2013 as a fully privately
    funded
    high-speed rail project connecting Dallas and Houston. Originally
    estimated
    to cost $10 billion, the project would be able to shuttle passengers
    between the state's two largest cities in 90 minutes (versus nearly
    four
    hours in a car).

    Like other high-speed rail projects before it, Texas Central has run
    into
    project delays and cost overruns. By 2019, the project's investors
    updated
    their original cost estimates to $20 billion. In 2020, project
    estimates
    were updated again to $30 billion. A 2023 analysis by Baruch
    Feigenbaum,
    senior managing director of transportation policy at Reason
    Foundation (the
    nonprofit that publishes Reason), estimates that the project's
    operating
    and construction costs will be at least $41.6 billion.

    In September 2024, the Biden administration awarded Amtrak a $64
    million
    grant to move the project forward. Despite this federal support,
    Japanese
    investors backed out of the project after claiming to have lost $272
    million.

    Kleinheinz Capital Partners, an investment firm headed by Fort Worth
    businessman John Kleinheinz, "bought its Japanese investors out of the >>>> project in January, " reports The Texas Tribune, to become the rail
    line's
    controlling interest. Andy Jent, a representative of Texas Central,
    told
    the Tribune that the project had acquired 25 percent of the land it
    needed
    to build the route.

    Despite Tuesday's announcement from the Transportation Department,
    which
    also directed Amtrak to rescind project leadership, the project appears >>>> ready to forge ahead. "We agree with Secretary Duffy that this project >>>> should be led by the private sector, and we will be proud to take it
    forward, " Kleinheinz Capital said in a statement.

    "Our interpretation of what the Department of Transportation released a >>>> couple of days ago is that number one, they don't want Amtrak
    leading this
    project, " Jent told the Texas House of Representatives' Transportation >>>> Committee on Thursday. "We also don't believe that that's in the best
    interest of the state of Texas or in the best interest of this
    project. "

    Despite the optimism, the project faces a long route to completion.

    The rail line has yet to lay a single foot of track or acquire the
    necessary permits to begin construction. In 2020, the Federal Railroad >>>> Administration issued a final environmental impact statement under the >>>> National Environmental Policy Act, which did "not grant any kind of
    construction approval or permit. Neither does this final rule, by
    itself,
    grant any permission or authority" for the company to operate. "The
    publication of this final rule is the beginning for [Texas Central
    Railroad], not the end, of its continuous obligation to demonstrate
    compliance with the regulation. "

    As of January 2024, the project had not received the necessary
    permits from
    the federal Surface Transportation Board to begin construction. The
    city of
    Houston has not approved a terminal site for the train, but Dallas has >>>> spent $1.5 million on an economic feasibility study for the project,
    Dallas
    City Council member Omar Narvaez told KERA News.

    The project has also faced opposition from the state government. In
    2017,
    Texas lawmakers passed a law prohibiting the Texas legislature from
    appropriating funds "related to the planning, facility construction or >>>> maintenance, security, or operation of a high-speed rail project
    operated
    by a private entity. "

    In June 2022, the Texas Supreme Court ruled that Texas Central could
    use
    eminent domain for the rail line, which has been met with staunch
    opposition from Texas landowners. This legislative session, state Rep. >>>> Brian Harrison (RWaxahachie) introduced a bill that would prevent a
    private
    entity that operates high-speed rail from using eminent domain.
    Lawmakers
    are also considering a bill sponsored by Rep. Cody Harris (RPalestine), >>>> which would make it impossible for state funds to be used to pay for
    the
    alteration of roadway because of high-speed rail construction.

    Jent told lawmakers on Thursday that he still considers the project
    alive,
    but Kleinheinz is not, at this time, "proposing construction of the
    project. " Once the developers give the green light, Jent expects
    that it
    will take six months to finalize project planning. During that time,
    Texas
    Central would secure more financing and submit a final permit to the
    Surface Transportation Board. Jent expects it would then take 8086
    months
    to complete construction of the project.

    This estimation is a bit ambitious, Feigenbaum tells Reason. With the
    project's cost ballooning from $10 billion to over $40 billion, "I
    don't
    see how they're going to come up with" the funding that's needed for
    the
    rail line, he says. In his testimony to lawmakers, Jent said that he
    expects the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to "provide
    some form
    of financing" in the future (although the bank is not funding the
    project
    right now).

    Feigenbaum says the project, which was essentially dormant before, will >>>> likely become dormant again.


    What's your point?


    A private-sector US taxpayer should be angry about government waste.

    This is a private venture. No taxpayer funds involved.


    An interesting point, because what it reveals is that the progress of a
    project isn't necessarily due to it being publicly funded (vs private).

    So much for that GOP talking point! /s


    -hh

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  • From Joe Autopen@21:1/5 to Radio Gnome on Sat May 31 06:15:41 2025
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    Radio Gnome wrote:
    This is a private venture. No taxpayer funds involved.


    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to
    the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9 million federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 21:03:50 2025
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    On May 31, 2025 at 1:53:55 PM PDT, "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:53:26 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com>
    wrote:

    What's your point?

    Republicans wasting tens of bilions of dollars on a rail line - just
    like California. The difference being, California has actually
    constructed something.

    That "something' does not include any actual railroad track.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 1 19:00:06 2025
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    On Jun 1, 2025 at 12:53:46 AM PDT, "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 31 May 2025 21:03:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On May 31, 2025 at 1:53:55 PM PDT, "Governor Swill"
    <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:53:26 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com>
    wrote:

    What's your point?

    Republicans wasting tens of bilions of dollars on a rail line - just
    like California. The difference being, California has actually
    constructed something.

    Texas was supposed to be a private project but they fought
    controversey until the money ran out. Amtrak showed an interest and
    the project was revived with money from the Infrastructure Investment
    and Jobs Act via Amtrak which was putting together a package of public
    and private financing to fund the project.

    Then Trump revoked the Texas plan.

    That "something' does not include any actual railroad track.


    Laying track is the last thing that will be done. The railbed,
    viaducts and power and other infrastructures have to be built first.
    When that is complete, track can be laid. Track laying is set begin
    this year. Hundreds of miles of railbed have already been under
    construction

    "As of January 2025, 119 miles (192 km) of the 171 miles (275 km) were
    under active construction. 22 miles (35 km) of contiguous guideway
    were declared complete, making that section ready for
    track-laying.[36] The remainder of the 119 miles (192 km) is expected
    to complete their guideway by the end of 2026."

    Gavin Newsom can have my first-born child the day this project is complete. That's how confident I am this will never be finished.

    I reiterate:

    We're $20 billion in the hole on our (alleged) high-speed train and also have not one inch of track to show for it. And they're now saying the project,
    which was originally budgeted at $13 billion and supposed to go from\ Sacramento to San Diego will now cost $200 billion and only go from
    Bakersfield (technically Wasco, a tiny town outside Bakersfield) to Merced-- from somewhere no one is, to somewhere no one wants to go. It's also not going to be high-speed anymore. Since they didn't want to fight landowners over eminent domain, they decided to use existing track for large chunks of it, which isn't the right gauge to handle high speed. So it will be normal-speed rail for large portions of its route. Oh, and the tickets to ride it (if it's ever actually built) will be at least as expensive as a plane ticket from L.A. to San Francisco.

    Who the hell is going to drive from L.A. to Bakersfield to catch a train (that's not even high-speed) and pay the cost of an airline ticket to ride it, then have to rent a car when it reaches Merced to finish the journey to San Francisco? By the time you get to Bakersfield, you're almost halfway to San Francisco anyway. Might as well just keep driving at that point.

    Our train-to-nowhere is predicted to be the costliest waste of taxpayer money in the history of America. But rather than stopping this nonsense, our state assembly has gone all-in on the sunk cost fallacy. They've spent so much money already that they can't bring themselves to stop and say it was all a waste,
    so they keep shoveling money at it knowing that they might as well be lighting it on fire for all the good it will do.

    We're at the point where some people need to go to prison over this.

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Sun Jun 1 22:40:02 2025
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    XPost: rec.arts.tv, sac.politics

    On 2025-06-01, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jun 1, 2025 at 12:53:46 AM PDT, "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 31 May 2025 21:03:50 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On May 31, 2025 at 1:53:55 PM PDT, "Governor Swill"
    <governor.swill@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 May 2025 07:53:26 -0400, Radio Gnome <gong@radiognome.com> >>>> wrote:

    What's your point?

    Republicans wasting tens of bilions of dollars on a rail line - just
    like California. The difference being, California has actually
    constructed something.

    Texas was supposed to be a private project but they fought
    controversey until the money ran out. Amtrak showed an interest and
    the project was revived with money from the Infrastructure Investment
    and Jobs Act via Amtrak which was putting together a package of public
    and private financing to fund the project.

    Then Trump revoked the Texas plan.

    That "something' does not include any actual railroad track.


    Laying track is the last thing that will be done. The railbed,
    viaducts and power and other infrastructures have to be built first.
    When that is complete, track can be laid. Track laying is set begin
    this year. Hundreds of miles of railbed have already been under
    construction

    "As of January 2025, 119 miles (192 km) of the 171 miles (275 km) were
    under active construction. 22 miles (35 km) of contiguous guideway
    were declared complete, making that section ready for
    track-laying.[36] The remainder of the 119 miles (192 km) is expected
    to complete their guideway by the end of 2026."

    Gavin Newsom can have my first-born child the day this project is complete. That's how confident I am this will never be finished.

    I reiterate:

    We're $20 billion in the hole on our (alleged) high-speed train and also have not one inch of track to show for it. And they're now saying the project, which was originally budgeted at $13 billion and supposed to go from\ Sacramento to San Diego will now cost $200 billion and only go from Bakersfield (technically Wasco, a tiny town outside Bakersfield) to Merced-- from somewhere no one is, to somewhere no one wants to go. It's also not going
    to be high-speed anymore. Since they didn't want to fight landowners over eminent domain, they decided to use existing track for large chunks of it, which isn't the right gauge to handle high speed. So it will be normal-speed rail for large portions of its route. Oh, and the tickets to ride it (if it's ever actually built) will be at least as expensive as a plane ticket from L.A.
    to San Francisco.

    Who the hell is going to drive from L.A. to Bakersfield to catch a train (that's not even high-speed) and pay the cost of an airline ticket to ride it,
    then have to rent a car when it reaches Merced to finish the journey to San Francisco? By the time you get to Bakersfield, you're almost halfway to San Francisco anyway. Might as well just keep driving at that point.

    Our train-to-nowhere is predicted to be the costliest waste of taxpayer money in the history of America. But rather than stopping this nonsense, our state assembly has gone all-in on the sunk cost fallacy. They've spent so much money
    already that they can't bring themselves to stop and say it was all a waste, so they keep shoveling money at it knowing that they might as well be lighting
    it on fire for all the good it will do.

    We're at the point where some people need to go to prison over this.


    The number of people this boondoggle will serve is miniscule.
    Follow the money.
    Pay close attention to the idiotic regulations slowing things down.
    Consider some 1500 homes were destroyed by fire in LA last year and approximately
    20 have received permits to rebuild.

    This is what over regulation does and the democrats lover regulations.


    --
    pothead
    Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
    Treat it accordingly <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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  • From Gronk@21:1/5 to Marmalade King on Fri Jun 6 00:09:12 2025
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    On 5/22/2025 10:58 PM, Marmalade King wrote:
    April 17, 2025
    In 12 Years, This $40 Billion High-Speed Rail Line in Texas Has Not
    Laid a
    Single Foot of Track

    The decade-plus battle to bring high-speed rail to Texas could soon be
    over. On Tuesday, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy delivered a blow to the project, known as Texas Central Railway, by rescinding a $63.9
    million
    federal grant. Duffy called the project "a waste of taxpayer funds. "


    This estimation is a bit ambitious, Feigenbaum tells Reason. With the project's cost ballooning from $10 billion to over $40 billion, "I don't
    see how they're going to come up with" the funding that's needed for the rail line, he says. In his testimony to lawmakers, Jent said that he
    expects the Japan Bank for International Cooperation to "provide some
    form
    of financing" in the future (although the bank is not funding the project right now).

    Feigenbaum says the project, which was essentially dormant before, will likely become dormant again.

    And just like that... no way of telling if this will
    have any effect

    https://www.newsweek.com/texas-high-speed-rail-project-boost-2080852
    Jun 04, 2025
    Anewly released study projects that the
    proposed high-speed rail line linking Dallas
    and Houston could generate a $5 billion
    annual boost to Dallas County's gross
    domestic product (GDP) from 2029 to 2050.

    The analysis, conducted by the Boston
    Consulting Group, was commissioned by the
    city of Dallas and forecasted the creation
    of more than 28,000 new jobs in the state.

    Newsweek reached out to Texas Central, the
    project's developer, via email for comment.

    The study offered the strongest economic
    case yet for proponents of the Dallas-Houston
    high-speed rail project, suggesting the bullet
    train could become a major driver of urban
    growth and job creation in North Texas. The
    projections of a $5 billion injection in
    recurring annual GDP come at a time when the
    project needs a boost, after facing opposition
    in the Texas state legislature.

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