• Re: They Came Questionably Legal, And Now They're Back Home

    From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Fri May 30 15:26:22 2025
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    On 2025-05-20 21:49, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Mon, 19 May 2025 12:01:39 -0700, Alan says...

    These people came to the United States with advanced US government
    permission

    To bolster voter roles.

    Except they can't vote, so complete bullshit.

    I'll just snip the rest of your "probably", etc. bullshit.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Fri May 30 18:33:10 2025
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    On 2025-05-30 17:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:26:22 -0700, Alan says...

    These people came to the United States with advanced US
    government permission

    To bolster voter roles.

    Except they can't vote, so complete bullshit.

    In the future, you stupid fuck... AFTER the Democrats find a way to
    give amnesty and pardons to them. And don't think for one second
    they weren't going to vote any way. There are PLENTY of towns,
    cities, counties and states, that said they were going to allow it.

    Oh, look!

    Some more unsupported bullshit!


    That's why they let so many in, KNOWING Trump was going to be
    elected and start deporting. They wanted so many to be here, that it
    would be impossible to give due process to them all.

    And THAT'S why Trump says fuck you and doesn't give them due
    process, especially to the criminals and those who didn't bother to
    use "due process" to come here.

    You DO realize that Biden was actually deporting people faster than
    Trump has been...

    ...all the while respecting due process of law...

    ...right?

    WHY should they get due process, when they usurped THAT little idea?

    Because that is what your founding, most basic, law requires:

    That every PERSON gets due process.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat May 31 11:14:34 2025
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    On 5/30/25 20:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:26:22 -0700, Alan says...

    These people came to the United States with advanced US government
    permission

    To bolster voter roles.

    Except they can't vote, so complete bullshit.

    In the future, you stupid fuck... AFTER the Democrats find a way to give amnesty and pardons to them.


    FYI: that was Ronald Reagan...


    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sat May 31 09:05:44 2025
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    On 2025-05-31 07:09, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 18:33:10 -0700, Alan says...

    In the future, you stupid fuck... AFTER the Democrats find a way
    to give amnesty and pardons to them. And don't think for one
    second they weren't going to vote any way. There are PLENTY of
    towns, cities, counties and states, that said they were going to
    allow it.

    Oh, look!

    Oh look. Faggot doesn't want to look it up, for fear of finding out
    I'm right.

    Nope. I don't look up things that you claim, PusseyGurl.

    That's your job.

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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 14:12:07 2025
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    In article <101dm8p$otr7$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
    says...

    On 2025-05-30 17:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:26:22 -0700, Alan says...

    These people came to the United States with advanced US
    government permission

    To bolster voter roles.

    Except they can't vote, so complete bullshit.

    In the future, you stupid fuck... AFTER the Democrats find a way to
    give amnesty and pardons to them. And don't think for one second
    they weren't going to vote any way. There are PLENTY of towns,
    cities, counties and states, that said they were going to allow it.

    Oh, look!

    Some more unsupported bullshit!


    That's why they let so many in, KNOWING Trump was going to be
    elected and start deporting. They wanted so many to be here, that it
    would be impossible to give due process to them all.

    And THAT'S why Trump says fuck you and doesn't give them due
    process, especially to the criminals and those who didn't bother to
    use "due process" to come here.

    You DO realize that Biden was actually deporting people faster than
    Trump has been...

    Bullshit. Show me numbers.

    and if true then why didn't you bitch then?

    ...all the while respecting due process of law...

    ...right?

    WHY should they get due process, when they usurped THAT little idea?

    Because that is what your founding, most basic, law requires:

    None coming in then none going out.

    That every PERSON gets due process.

    You wont.

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  • From Skeeter OG@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 14:13:17 2025
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    In article <101dm9r$otr7$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
    says...

    On 2025-05-30 17:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:26:22 -0700, Alan says...


    This is what happens when you rage-post while drunk, Pussey Gurl

    I guess YOU would know.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sun Jun 1 14:41:50 2025
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    On 6/1/25 10:59, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sat, 31 May 2025 11:14:34 -0400, -hh says...


    On 5/30/25 20:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:26:22 -0700, Alan says...

    These people came to the United States with advanced US government >>>>>> permission

    To bolster voter roles.

    Except they can't vote, so complete bullshit.

    In the future, you stupid fuck... AFTER the Democrats find a way to give amnesty and pardons to them.


    FYI: that was Ronald Reagan...

    Was.

    Glad that you agree.

    You stupid fucking nerd.

    Ronald Reagan's dead, so HE won't be the one giving them amnesty IN THE FUTURE, idiot.

    Doesn't matter because the point is that the GOP has already granted
    amnesty to millions of 'illegal' immigrants. And despite how they've
    now changed their tune to scaremongering that the Democrats *might* do
    the same as they've already done, the facts are that the outcome of
    Regan's amnesty program wasn't the end-of-the-world doom & gloom.


    That's about the stupidest thing a nerd can say. Why you fuckers always always use the past, as if it's either the way things are
    in the present, or WILL be in the future.

    The reason why? Why it is because these actions of the past so reliably
    reveal your present hypocrisy.


    Holeman and Gronk do the same thing. Y'all act like whatever's happened in the past, still happens and is going on now and will in the future.

    Oh, you mean: "Those who forget the past..."?

    For you need to own up to your own past and take responsibility for it,
    as well as take responsibility for how you've flip-flopped without any
    actual rational reason why, other than for petty partisan politics which doesn't actually help the country.

    Backwards ass thinking for you freak Drag Queen progressives, if you ask anyone.

    LOL! You've dressed in drag many more times than I ever have!

    -hh

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sun Jun 1 12:38:49 2025
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    On 2025-06-01 07:59, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sat, 31 May 2025 14:13:17 -0600, Skeeter OG says...


    In article <101dm9r$otr7$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
    says...

    On 2025-05-30 17:04, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Fri, 30 May 2025 15:26:22 -0700, Alan says...


    This is what happens when you rage-post while drunk, Pussey Gurl

    I guess YOU would know.

    He WOULD know more than me, since I'm pretty sure he's come home on a Friday or Saturday night and wrote here.

    I don't drink, so... he not only WOULD know... he's a liar.
    You SAY you don't drink...

    ...which is not the same thing, PusseyGurl.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Sun Jun 1 13:08:47 2025
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    On 2025-06-01 12:37, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 14:41:50 -0400, -hh says...

    You stupid fucking nerd.

    Ronald Reagan's dead, so HE won't be the one giving them amnesty IN THE FUTURE, idiot.

    Doesn't matter

    Uhhh... yes, it does.

    because the point is that the GOP has already granted
    amnesty to millions of 'illegal' immigrants

    So?

    And?

    We learn from our mistakes.

    And despite how they've
    now changed their tune to scaremongering that the Democrats *might* do
    the same as they've already done, the facts are that the outcome of
    Regan's amnesty program wasn't the end-of-the-world doom and gloom.

    Yeah, because they were MANAGEABLE.

    3 Million... TOPS!

    And HOW many years had they been building up to that point?

    Guess what, Einstein?

    Biden let in 2x+ as many in his FOUR short years.

    As of January 2024, more than 7.2 million migrants had illegally crossed into the U.S. over the Southwest border during U.S.
    President Joe Biden's administration - a number higher than the individual populations of 36 states.

    Snopes: True

    Let's put back what you left out:

    'Context

    The number specifically reflected border encounters with U.S. officials,
    not an increase of that magnitude in the immigrant population.'

    And a little more from the Snopes article (and it becomes obvious why
    you left off the link, doesn't it?)

    'Snopes contacted the White House for comment about the Fox News
    article. We received a response from a spokesperson for the Department
    of Homeland Security, who said, in part, that U.S. President Joe Biden's administration "has removed, returned, or expelled more migrants in
    three years than the prior Administration did in four years." This also
    was true, according to statistics provided on the DHS website. Further
    comment from DHS and a wealth of statistics are all laid out below.'

    <https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/million-migrants-border-biden/>

    Huh.

    Remind me:

    Whose administration immediately preceded Biden's?

    And remember:

    While the Republicans were criticizing Biden's handling of the border,
    they were also refusing to pass a border reform bill...

    ...because Trump didn't want them to.

    You should read the entire article...

    ...even if you need some help with the bigger words.

    :-)

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun Jun 1 18:57:18 2025
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    On 6/1/25 16:08, Alan wrote:
    On 2025-06-01 12:37, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Sun, 1 Jun 2025 14:41:50 -0400, -hh says...

    You stupid fucking nerd.

    Ronald Reagan's dead, so HE won't be the one giving them amnesty IN
    THE FUTURE, idiot.

    Doesn't matter

    Uhhh... yes, it does.

    because the point is that the GOP has already granted
    amnesty to millions of 'illegal' immigrants

    So?

    And?

    We learn from our mistakes.

    And despite how they've
    now changed their tune to scaremongering that the Democrats *might* do
    the same as they've already done, the facts are that the outcome of
    Regan's amnesty program wasn't the end-of-the-world doom and gloom.

    Yeah, because they were MANAGEABLE.

    3 Million... TOPS!

    Yup, way back in 1986, when the US population was just 240M. Its nearly
    40 years later and our population now is 347M, which is 45% higher, so
    the same percentage being granted green cards today would be ~4.5M


    And HOW many years had they been building up to that point?

    Roughly the same as today, from the McCarren-Walter Act dates from 1952,
    to the Simpson–Mazzoli Act of 1986 which ran through 1989, so a period
    of 1989-1952 = 37 years...and 1989 to present is 36 years.


    Guess what, Einstein?

    Biden let in 2x+ as many in his FOUR short years.

    As of January 2024, more than 7.2 million migrants had illegally
    crossed into the U.S. over the Southwest border during U.S.
    President Joe Biden's administration - a number higher than the
    individual populations of 36 states.

    Snopes: True

    Let's put back what you left out:

    'Context

    The number specifically reflected border encounters with U.S. officials,
    not an increase of that magnitude in the immigrant population.'

    And a little more from the Snopes article (and it becomes obvious why
    you left off the link, doesn't it?)

    'Snopes contacted the White House for comment about the Fox News
    article. We received a response from a spokesperson for the Department
    of Homeland Security, who said, in part, that U.S. President Joe Biden's administration "has removed, returned, or expelled more migrants in
    three years than the prior Administration did in four years." This also
    was true, according to statistics provided on the DHS website. Further comment from DHS and a wealth of statistics are all laid out below.'

    <https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/million-migrants-border-biden/>

    Huh.

    Makes sense, since the recent recidivism rate has been like ~25%, which
    means that its nowhere close to 7.2M unique individuals, but just ~5M.
    Plus roughly 45%-60% of encounters have had immediate expulsions, which
    means that the number of unique individuals who actually get to making
    any application are down to roughly just 2.5M.


    Remind me:

    Whose administration immediately preceded Biden's?

    And remember:

    While the Republicans were criticizing Biden's handling of the border,
    they were also refusing to pass a border reform bill...

    ...because Trump didn't want them to.

    You should read the entire article...

    ...even if you need some help with the bigger words.

    :-)

    Precisely: one can't bitch about the perpetuation of a problem when
    you've actively supported votes against solving it.


    -hh

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Mon Jun 2 15:41:27 2025
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    On 6/2/25 13:38, AlleyCat wrote:

    None of what -homo-habilis wrote, matters.

    Translation: AlleyCat is pwned, so he whines & whines & whines...


    -hh


    He's acting like Reagan giving amnesty to 3 million illegals is what the problem is.

    Hell, I'm not sure what his argument IS, after reading it.

    Does he even know what the issue IS?

    Methinks not, since he hearkens back to Reagan.

    Why?

    WHAT does telling us what Reagan did, helpful NOW?

    WE aren't the ones wanting to give amnesty to illegals, you stupid fuck.

    That would be the Democrats.

    Are you saying that's OK, because Reagan did it?

    WE don't think so, and neither should you, unless YOU want more illegals to come in and vote Democrat some day.

    Tell us... what EXACTLY are you arguing against and/or for?

    ===============================================================================

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" Is a Real Mental Condition

    All you need to know about "Trump Derangement Syndrome," or TDS.

    "Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a mental condition in which a person has been driven effectively insane due to their dislike
    of Donald Trump, to the point at which they will abandon all logic and reason."

    Justin Raimondo, the editorial director of Antiwar.com, wrote a piece in the Los Angeles Times in 2016 that broke TDS down into
    three distinct phases or stages:

    "In the first stage of the disease, victims lose all sense of proportion. The president-elect's every tweet provokes a firestorm,
    as if 140 characters were all it took to change the world."

    "The mid-level stages of TDS have a profound effect on the victim's vocabulary: Sufferers speak a distinctive language consisting
    solely of hyperbole."

    "As TDS progresses, the afflicted lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality."

    The Point here is simple: TDS is, in the eyes of its adherents, the knee-jerk opposition from liberals to anything and everything
    Trump does. If Trump announced he was donating every dollar he's ever made, TDS sufferers would suggest he was up to something
    nefarious, according to the logic of TDS. There's nothing - not. one. thing. - that Trump could do or say that would be received
    positively by TDSers.

    The history of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually goes back to the early 2000s - a time when the idea of Trump as president was
    a punch line for late-night comics and nothing more.

    Wikipedia traces its roots to "Bush Derangement Syndrome" - a term first coined by the late conservative columnist Charles
    Krauthammer back in 2003. The condition, as Krauthammer defined it, was "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people
    in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence of George W. Bush."

    Added Krauthammer:

    "Some clinicians consider this delusion - that Americans can only get their news from one part of the political spectrum - the
    gravest of all. They report that no matter how many times sufferers in padded cells are presented with flash cards with the
    symbols ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, Time, Newsweek, New York Times, Washington Post, L.A. Times - they remain
    unresponsive, some in a terrifying near-catatonic torpor."

    (If you don't realize the idea of TDS or BDS is - in no small part - meant in a tongue-in-cheek manner then, well, you may well
    have it.)

    Trump allies believe that TDS is worse than ODS or BDS - by a lot. Wrote conservative pundit Bernie Goldberg on Real Clear
    Politics in early 2017:

    "Before the election, the victims of TDS routinely compared Donald Trump to Hitler. Guess what. They're still doing it. Articles
    in respectable publications written by professors at elite universities are warning us to be on guard, that a Trump presidency
    could imperil democracy-as-we-know-it and may very well spell doom for American civilization.

    "On election night, as it became obvious that their worst nightmare was about to come true, some libs fainted. Some vomited. Many
    more threatened to leave the country, but I'm pretty sure none actually did. As Donald Trump might say in a tweet: so sad!"

    The truth is that TDS is just the preferred nomenclature of Trump defenders who view those who oppose him and his policies as
    nothing more than the blind hatred of those who preach tolerance and free speech. Viewed more broadly, the rise of presidential
    derangement syndromes is a function of increased polarization - not to mention our national self-sorting - at work in the country
    today.

    We no longer live around, work around or pal around with people who think any differently than us. We watch cable news that
    affirms what we already think. We read ideological "news" sites that tell us how good our side is and how bad the other one is.
    And on and on and on.

    Is it any wonder then that we are increasingly willing to lump those who disagree with us into the "deranged" category? To say
    that those who don't share our views are mentally deficient in some way?

    What does it say about a President - and about a country - when the standard response to those with whom you disagree is that
    they must be crazy? Nothing good, for sure.

    =====

    Many clinicians, political commentators, and members of the public have speculated upon the mental health of President Donald
    Trump. Indeed, over 70,000 people self-identifying as "mental health professionals" have signed a petition declaring that "Trump
    is mentally ill and must be removed." In sociological terms, the "medical gaze" has been hitherto focused on President Trump, and
    to a lesser extent his ardent supporters.

    However, in recent months, many have been questioning the direction of this "medical gaze." In fact, more and more people are
    suggesting that this "medical gaze" should be reversed and refocused on President Trump's most embittered and partisan opponents.
    Some have even suggested that these opponents are experiencing a specific mental condition-a condition which has been labelled
    "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS).
    What does DSM-5 say about "Trump Derangement Syndrome"?

    Mental illnesses are officially classified in a dense and dry book published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) known
    as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5). This book contains 947 pages and lists
    hundreds of mental disorders; TDS is nowhere to be seen. Similarly, a review of scholarly databases such as MEDLINE and Google
    Scholar reveal no academic papers on this alleged syndrome. Officially at least, TDS is not a real, diagnosable, or treatable
    mental disorder.

    That said, medical anthropologists and critical sociologists have convincingly argued that DSM-5 is a flawed document. Indeed,
    social scientists have long recognized that there are numerous "folk categories" of mental disorders that are considered real
    conditions by the general public, even though they are not recognized as such in the DSM. These include categories such as
    "burnout" or "nervous breakdown."

    As such, lack of official recognition does not mean that TDS is not a real mental condition.


    Lay Understandings of "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

    There is no shared lay understanding of TDS, mainly because it is a folk category rather than a professional category. As such,
    there is currently much armchair speculation about the nature and existence of TDS, without consensus.

    The name itself explicitly suggests a "syndrome," which the Oxford English Dictionary defines as "a characteristic combination of
    opinions, emotions, or behavior." Several commentators have run with this, putting forth suggestions about opinions, emotions and
    behaviors characterizing TDS.

    Shared amongst these is a notion that the everyday activities of President Trump trigger some people into distorted opinions,
    extreme emotions and hysterical behaviors. Well-known writer Bernard Goldberg gives supposed behavioral examples of TDS among
    Trump's political opponents, including fainting, vomiting, students retreating to "safe spaces" and others demanding "therapy
    dogs." Political commentator Justin Raimondo focuses on opinions, language and cognition, writing in the LA Times that "sufferers
    speak a distinctive language consisting of hyperbole [leading to] a constant state of hysteria... the afflicted lose touch with
    reality."

    Such forms of highly emotional reaction could be something akin to the fainting and screaming characterizing American Beatlemania
    in the 1960s. Unlike the Beatles, however, the extreme emotional reaction alleged to characterize TDS is not based on adoration
    and admiration, but on fear and loathing.

    Contrariwise, many others ridicule the notion that TDS is anything but a malicious slur term used to discredit and delegitimize
    criticism of President Trump. For example, CNN's Chris Cillizza may speak for many when he stated: "The truth is that TDS is just
    the preferred nomenclature of Trump defenders who view those who oppose him and his policies as nothing more than blind hatred."
    Likewise, Adam Gopnik writes that "our problem is not TDS; our problem is Deranged Trump Self-Delusion."

    In other words, there are polarized opinions about the nature, reality and existence of TDS.


    Conclusion

    The wider public may be unaware that psychiatrists and social scientists spend considerable time and energy behind closed doors
    pondering over the existence and reality of mental conditions. This has led the APA to revise the DSM five times since 1952,
    considerably expanding the list of official mental disorders with each revision. As far as I am aware, few psychiatrists are
    currently arguing that DSM-6 should contain TDS as a mental disorder.

    That said, in its official definition of mental disorder, the DSM-5 states that "a mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by
    clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior... mental disorders are usually
    associated with significant distress in social, occupational, or other important activities."

    Many have argued that some people have been seriously disturbed and distressed by the policies, speech, behavior, and tweets of
    President Trump, so much so that it has affected their cognitive, affective, and behavioral functioning. Such people may need
    mental health support. As such, further research is necessary to investigate the extreme reactions toward President Trump, in the
    same way that researchers investigate other extreme social phenomena, such as Beatlemania or the like. This will shed light on
    the reality of this emerging folk category that has been labelled by many as "Trump Derangement Syndrome."


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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Mon Jun 2 13:17:13 2025
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    On 2025-06-02 13:11, AlleyCat wrote:

    On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 15:41:27 -0400, -hh says...

    pwned

    What are you... 12?
    Says the "adult" who regularly calls people "faggot"....

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