• Re: "Big Beautiful Bill" Massively Unpopular With Voters

    From NoBody@21:1/5 to AlleyCat on Wed Jun 18 07:30:35 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when
    they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion.

    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout"
    (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions >Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense?

    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the
    endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Wed Jun 18 09:21:26 2025
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    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-06-18 04:30, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when
    they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion.

    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout"
    (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions >> Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense?

    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

    The facts are there...

    ...and they don't look good for you MAGAts:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?"

    54% disapprove.

    Read the poll for yourself:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf>

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Thu Jun 19 07:02:40 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:21:26 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 04:30, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when
    they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion.

    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout"
    (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions
    Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense?

    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the
    endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

    The facts are there...

    ...and they don't look good for you MAGAts:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling - >immigration issues?"

    54% disapprove.

    Read the poll for yourself:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf>

    Laughter.

    16. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling - immigration issues?
    REGISTERED VOTERS.....................
    Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom
    Approve 43% 87% 4% 43% 55% 32%
    Disapprove 54 9 95 52 41 65
    DK/NA 3 3 1 5 3 4

    You can see by looking at the responses that the poll oversampled
    Democrats as their responses carried far too much weight to the
    average.

    Oh and how come they don't include party affiliation questions
    anymore?....

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Thu Jun 19 11:15:51 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-06-19 04:02, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:21:26 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 04:30, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when >>>>> they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion. >>>>>
    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout"
    (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions
    Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense?

    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the
    endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

    The facts are there...

    ...and they don't look good for you MAGAts:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?"

    54% disapprove.

    Read the poll for yourself:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf>

    Laughter.

    16. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling - immigration issues?
    REGISTERED VOTERS.....................
    Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom
    Approve 43% 87% 4% 43% 55% 32%
    Disapprove 54 9 95 52 41 65
    DK/NA 3 3 1 5 3 4

    You can see by looking at the responses that the poll oversampled
    Democrats as their responses carried far too much weight to the
    average.

    How is that shown? Explain.


    Oh and how come they don't include party affiliation questions
    anymore?....

    And yet, they include party affiliation breakdowns.

    Again: explain.

    Oh, and look at that!

    They include a link to their website where you can view the methodology
    of the poll!

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Fri Jun 20 07:24:03 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 11:15:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-19 04:02, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:21:26 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 04:30, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when >>>>>> they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion. >>>>>>
    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout" >>>>>> (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions
    Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense?

    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the >>>> endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

    The facts are there...

    ...and they don't look good for you MAGAts:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?"

    54% disapprove.

    Read the poll for yourself:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf>

    Laughter.

    16. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?
    REGISTERED VOTERS.....................
    Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom
    Approve 43% 87% 4% 43% 55% 32%
    Disapprove 54 9 95 52 41 65
    DK/NA 3 3 1 5 3 4

    You can see by looking at the responses that the poll oversampled
    Democrats as their responses carried far too much weight to the
    average.

    How is that shown? Explain.

    Oh good grief.

    If only 4% of Republicans disapprove but 95% of Democrats disapprove
    and they get a total of 43% disapproval, this would indicate a high
    bias to Democrats.



    Oh and how come they don't include party affiliation questions
    anymore?....

    And yet, they include party affiliation breakdowns.


    Irrelevant since we do not know the party make up of the total. This
    used to be a standard metric included in political polls. Now they
    hide it.

    Why?

    Again: explain.

    Oh, and look at that!

    They include a link to their website where you can view the methodology
    of the poll!

    Would you be kind enough to post that link as it relates to this
    specific poll? I don't see it in the poll. Just a generic link to
    their website.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to NoBody on Fri Jun 20 09:55:16 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On 2025-06-20 04:24, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 11:15:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-19 04:02, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:21:26 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 04:30, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when >>>>>>> they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion. >>>>>>>
    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout" >>>>>>> (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions
    Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense?

    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the >>>>> endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

    The facts are there...

    ...and they don't look good for you MAGAts:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?"

    54% disapprove.

    Read the poll for yourself:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf>

    Laughter.

    16. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?
    REGISTERED VOTERS.....................
    Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom
    Approve 43% 87% 4% 43% 55% 32%
    Disapprove 54 9 95 52 41 65
    DK/NA 3 3 1 5 3 4

    You can see by looking at the responses that the poll oversampled
    Democrats as their responses carried far too much weight to the
    average.

    How is that shown? Explain.

    Oh good grief.

    If only 4% of Republicans disapprove but 95% of Democrats disapprove
    and they get a total of 43% disapproval, this would indicate a high
    bias to Democrats.

    It would.. ...if that's what had happened.

    But you haven't show that is what happened, and have instead inferred
    that that must be the reason.




    Oh and how come they don't include party affiliation questions
    anymore?....

    And yet, they include party affiliation breakdowns.


    Irrelevant since we do not know the party make up of the total. This
    used to be a standard metric included in political polls. Now they
    hide it.

    Actually, we do.

    And it isn't hidden.


    Why?

    Again: explain.

    Oh, and look at that!

    They include a link to their website where you can view the methodology
    of the poll!

    Would you be kind enough to post that link as it relates to this
    specific poll? I don't see it in the poll. Just a generic link to
    their website.

    Funny how you whine when I ask for such, but I'll continue being the
    bigger person:

    You go to that website:

    <https://poll.qu.edu>

    Click the HUGE article right at the top:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3924>

    And then click the "Sample and Methodology" link:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_demos_usfa29.pdf>

    From there you read:

    "PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION WORDING - Generally speaking, do you
    consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?

    REGISTERED VOTERS

    PARTY IDENTIFICATION

    Republican 26%
    Democrat 28%
    Independent 36%
    Other/DK/NA 9%"

    Kind of destroys your bullshit, doesn't it?

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Jun 21 08:35:31 2025
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, can.politics, alt.politics.liberalism
    XPost: alt.politics.democrats, alt.politics.usa.republican

    On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 09:55:16 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-20 04:24, NoBody wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 11:15:51 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-19 04:02, NoBody wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:21:26 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2025-06-18 04:30, NoBody wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 19:09:19 -0500, AlleyCat <katt@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>

    On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 09:51:05 -0400, NoBody says...

    https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf


    What's the point of asking the question if they support the bill when >>>>>>>> they clearly don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion. >>>>>>>>
    Of course this information was available to both you and "truthout" >>>>>>>> (laughter) but you chose not to find it.

    And that's exactly why I said this: "Why Lee Lee Dare Not List The Questions
    Posed In Polls"

    https://tinyurl.com/mr39ebdp

    These polls are used as propaganda tools. They don't deal in truth. At this point, I don't know why they even BOTHER will polls. Trump's
    not going anywhere. What good is a poll at this point?

    They can screech, "IMPEACH", all they want. If they couldn't get him impeached before after doing some questionable things, HOW can they
    impeach him now? WHAT has he done that's an impeachable offense? >>>>>>>
    Deport ILLEGALS without due process? Hell... EVERY President has done that, since they started deporting ILLEGALS.

    I've already proven that.


    Yeah the usual suspects around here - Bradley, Lying Lee, Siri and the >>>>>> endless version of the moron Rudely simply can't deal in facts.

    The facts are there...

    ...and they don't look good for you MAGAts:

    "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling -
    immigration issues?"

    54% disapprove.

    Read the poll for yourself:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_usfa29.pdf>

    Laughter.

    16. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling - >>>> immigration issues?
    REGISTERED VOTERS.....................
    Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom
    Approve 43% 87% 4% 43% 55% 32%
    Disapprove 54 9 95 52 41 65
    DK/NA 3 3 1 5 3 4

    You can see by looking at the responses that the poll oversampled
    Democrats as their responses carried far too much weight to the
    average.

    How is that shown? Explain.

    Oh good grief.

    If only 4% of Republicans disapprove but 95% of Democrats disapprove
    and they get a total of 43% disapproval, this would indicate a high
    bias to Democrats.

    It would.. ...if that's what had happened.

    But you haven't show that is what happened, and have instead inferred
    that that must be the reason.

    Laughter.
    The numbers explain themselves.
    Alternate theories are accepted but that would require you to think.





    Oh and how come they don't include party affiliation questions
    anymore?....

    And yet, they include party affiliation breakdowns.


    Irrelevant since we do not know the party make up of the total. This
    used to be a standard metric included in political polls. Now they
    hide it.

    Actually, we do.

    And it isn't hidden.

    It should have been embedded in the poll itself.
    One shouldn't have to hunt around for it.




    Why?

    Again: explain.

    Oh, and look at that!

    They include a link to their website where you can view the methodology
    of the poll!

    Would you be kind enough to post that link as it relates to this
    specific poll? I don't see it in the poll. Just a generic link to
    their website.

    Funny how you whine when I ask for such, but I'll continue being the
    bigger person:

    Laughter. When have I declined to cite for you something I stated
    when you requested?

    You go to that website:

    <https://poll.qu.edu>

    Click the HUGE article right at the top:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3924>

    And then click the "Sample and Methodology" link:

    <https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us06112025_demos_usfa29.pdf>

    From there you read:

    "PARTY IDENTIFICATION QUESTION WORDING - Generally speaking, do you
    consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what?

    REGISTERED VOTERS

    PARTY IDENTIFICATION

    Republican 26%
    Democrat 28%
    Independent 36%
    Other/DK/NA 9%"

    Kind of destroys your bullshit, doesn't it?

    36% "Independent"
    Laughter
    They realy mean liberal Democrat.

    Oh and the title is hysterically funny:

    "With Just 67% Of Republicans In Support, "

    67% is not "only". That's an overwhelming majority.

    Bias noted.

    Thank you for providing the link BTW.

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