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On 7/16/25 00:11, AlleyCat wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:31:06 -0400, -hh says...

"Fahy, of the NWS employees union, told us that the Austin/San Antonio >>>> weather forecasting office was operating with six job vacancies and the >>>> San Angelo office had four job vacancies on July 4.

So the fuck what?

It is proof that they weren't at full capability.

No it's not.

Oh... OK... they didn't have the cleaning crew they would have had if Trump hadn't cut THOSE jobs.>
Tell us, EXACTLY, how NEW hires would have saved all those people.

Repeating your BS deflection doesn't make it any more true. As I said
in my other post:

[quote]
You can't fucking read: "warning coordination meteorologist"

That ain't a cleaning crew.
[/quote]

Was it Lyndon Johnson's fault people died in the EXACT same way as they did in Kerr County?

WHOSE fault was this?

Entirely yours. Go read my other reply.


-hh

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On 7/16/25 00:11, AlleyCat wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:31:06 -0400, -hh says...

"Fahy, of the NWS employees union, told us that the Austin/San Antonio >>>> weather forecasting office was operating with six job vacancies and the >>>> San Angelo office had four job vacancies on July 4.

So the fuck what?

It is proof that they weren't at full capability.

No it's not.

Oh... OK... they didn't have the cleaning crew they would have had if Trump hadn't cut THOSE jobs.

Tell us, EXACTLY, how NEW hires would have saved all those people.

You can't fucking read: "warning coordination meteorologist"

That ain't a cleaning crew.

Was it Lyndon Johnson's fault people died in the EXACT same way as they did in Kerr County?

WHOSE fault was this?

Martin Cooper's for not inventing the cellphone a decade earlier?

Sanderson, Texas flood of 1965. Killed 26, including ten children...

SillyCat's trying to deflect back to a far earlier era.

And its two dozen dead was but 1/9th as many as this event, despite
being blindsided by that period's relative lack of technology. Looks
like 100 year flood maps didn't even come to Texas until a decade later.

Since this was preventable, just whose fault is it today that many opportunities to employ beneficial technologies that would have
mitigated risk exposures were eschewed?


-hh

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On 2025-07-15 21:11, AlleyCat wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 12:31:06 -0400, -hh says...

"Fahy, of the NWS employees union, told us that the Austin/San
Antonio weather forecasting office was operating with six job
vacancies and the San Angelo office had four job vacancies on
July 4.

So the fuck what?

It is proof that they weren't at full capability.

No it's not.

Oh... OK... they didn't have the cleaning crew they would have had
if Trump hadn't cut THOSE jobs.

Tell us, EXACTLY, how NEW hires would have saved all those people.

"Pagurek told colleagues at FEMA that the delay was the tipping point
that led to his voluntary departure after months of frustration with the
Trump administration’s efforts to dismantle the agency, according to two sources familiar with his thinking. It took more than 72 hours after the flooding for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to authorize the deployment of FEMA’s search and rescue network."

<https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/21/politics/fema-search-and-rescue-chief-resigns>

'Cost controls
As CNN first reported, FEMA leaders were unable to quickly mobilize some critical resources, including these elite teams, in the crucial first
hours of the Texas floods. The holdup stemmed from a new rule imposed by
Noem, who continues to require her personal approval for every contract
and grant over $100,000 before funds can be released – a threshold that
FEMA officials called “pennies” during a disaster response.

Some FEMA teams, which are involved in large area searches, water
rescues and finding human remains, didn’t arrive in Texas and begin
field work until a week after the flood.'

Was it Lyndon Johnson's fault people died in the EXACT same way as
they did in Kerr County?

WHOSE fault was this?

I don't know.

But do you think that perhaps such responses have gotten better with time?

Fun fact: FEMA didn't even EXIST when Johnson was president.

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On 2025-07-25 06:12, AlleyCat wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 16:25:55 -0700, Alan says...

Tell us, EXACTLY, how NEW hires would have saved all those people.

"Pagurek told colleagues at FEMA that the delay was the tipping point
that led to his voluntary departure after months of frustration with the
Trump administration?s efforts to dismantle the agency, according to two
sources familiar with his thinking. It took more than 72 hours after the
flooding for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to authorize the
deployment of FEMA?s search and rescue network."

Since that has NOTHING to do with "new hires saving people"...

LOL!

PLONK!

Run away, Phil!

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On 7/27/25 10:02, AlleyCat wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 09:50:40 -0400, -hh says...

Tell us, EXACTLY, how NEW hires would have saved all those people.

You can't fucking read: "warning coordination meteorologist"

I fucking read fine.

A "warning coordination meteorologist" would have been superfluous and would NOT have changed the outcome of the flood.

The ONLY people who could have been saved, were the people who heeded

the watches and warnings, which they got in AMPLE time.

And when not all the warnings went out because the "warning
coordination" job wasn't filled...?

...what was that again? "I fucking read fine.".

The houses, cars and people in the path of the flood never stood a chance, unless they heeded the warnings.

ANY time we hear a siren, we check both TV and radio.

But were there sirens present?

Or did the county specifically decide to not use the Fed money they were
given to go buy & install some?

You liberals are making excuses and/or trying to make it seem it's Trump's fault.

DOGE's cuts were ennabled by Trump.

Ridiculous.

You can't fucking read: "Although Trump's cuts did affect staffing at the two weather service offices in charge of the affected
area, AN AGENCY SPOKESPERSON TOLD US VIA EMAIL THAT BOTH OFFICES WERE *****FULLY STAFFED***** AT THE TIME OF THE FLOODS.

Because the shorthanded staff was working overtime. Clearly, you've
never had a real job where you've seen firsthand how performance drops
off after a certain amount of overtime hours are exceeded. When was the
last time that you worked a 12+ hour shift (if ever)?

Also... WHO doesn't have a smartphone which usually has an Emergency notice app on it?

Was there celltower coverage there to make said smartphones functional?

-hh

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-hh wrote:

On 7/27/25 10:02, AlleyCat wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 09:50:40 -0400, -hh says...

Tell us, EXACTLY, how NEW hires would have saved all those people.

You can't fucking read: "warning coordination meteorologist"

I fucking read fine.

A "warning coordination meteorologist" would have been superfluous and
would NOT have changed the outcome of the flood. > The ONLY people who
could have been saved, were the people who heeded

the watches and warnings, which they got in AMPLE time.

And when not all the warnings went out because the "warning
coordination" job wasn't filled...?

...what was that again? "I fucking read fine.".

The houses, cars and people in the path of the flood never stood a
chance, unless they heeded the warnings.

ANY time we hear a siren, we check both TV and radio.

But were there sirens present?

Or did the county specifically decide to not use the Fed money they were given to go buy & install some?

<https://www.texastribune.org/2025/07/10/texas-kerr-county-commissioners-flooding-warning/>

I still feel this is a Texas problem. Before TACO Texas could get help
from the federal government. Kerr created this problem and refused all solutions. As usual for Republicans they chose to kill their children.

I am not stopping them from choosing wiser.

It makes it easier why they are livid California spends money to save Republicans's children in San Joaquin Valley.

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On 2025-07-27 07:02, AlleyCat wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jul 2025 18:30:01 -0400, Governor Swill says...

When a siren goes off, who knows what it means?

So, because people are too lazy to find out what the siren is about,
it's someone else's fault?

Nope.

ANY time we hear a siren, we check both TV and radio.

You mean the radio that Trump is now defunding, which is the source that
some communities depend on for such warnings?

<https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-public-broadcasting-cuts-rural-communities-1.7587683>

You liberals are making excuses and/or trying to make it seem it's
Trump's fault.

Ridiculous.

WHO doesn't have a smartphone which usually has an Emergency notice
app on it?

I would bet heavily lots of people.

Because there are still many poor people who don't have smartphones.

And there are still many people who have smartphones who don't know how
to get the most out of them.

And there are still many people who don't even know what an "Emergency
notice app" is?

BTW, what's the name of the emergency notice app on your smartphone, Phil?

People were given a 12 hour flash flood watch and a 3 hour flash
flood WARNING.

A 24 hour flood watch and a 6 hour flood warning and even an amber
alert, would not have made any difference. If people didn't heed 12
hours and 3 hours, they wouldn't have heeded any thing more, or
less.

The only thing I can think of that would have helped more, were
emergency personnel out and broadcasting over P.A. speakers to
IMMEDIATELY evacuate... NOW!

And FEMA assistance rendered afterwards in a more timely manner.

Which is why a FEMA administrator quit: because Noem fucked that up.

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On 7/27/25 16:29, AlleyCat wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 12:01:19 -0700, Alan says...

<https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-public-broadcasting-cuts-rural-communities-1.7587683>

So fucking what? You can't turn the radio dial a 10th of a turn without picking up a radio station anymore. It's not like the 70s
and before, dumb ass. Radio is big now.

Not in rural areas. AM radio stations peaked in 1990, as the commercial industry shifted to FM band for better fidelity.

And a trade-off of going from AM to FM was reduced audience sizes which increased operating costs due to shorter reception range: AM had useful
ranges of ~100 miles, whereas FM is half of that, so one FM station
covers roughly 1/4 the area of what an AM station did. The result is
that more rural regions of the US are increasingly radio deserts.

WHO doesn't have a smartphone which usually has an Emergency notice
app on it?

I would bet heavily lots of people.

Fuck, you're a special kind of stupid. The POOREST of the poor
ALWAYS have smartphones. It might be ALL they have, but they have
them.

And the celltower infrastructure out in the boonies ... is what?

When I lived in Mississippi, the dirt poorest walking down the road,
was always yapping away on a smartphone.

I learned to be aware of where I'd travel in the midwest, because the
cellphone towers were mostly in towns and along the major highways.

That lack of coverage surprised me the first time that I went into some "backwoods" at one facility in MO and found that I lost both CDMA
(Verizon) and GSM (AT&T) reception.

Since then, I've learned to check reception when going further afield
and to put my phone into "airplane mode" to not drain its battery.

-hh

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