• Re: "[T]he right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited."

    From russ@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 24 19:43:38 2025
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    On 24 Jul 2025, rudy forging Klaus Schadenfreude <karvatt@gmail.com>
    posted some news:FsugQ.129459$hR%a.2131@fx14.iad:

    On 7/24/2025 8:20 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:fph48ktuqa6tbrsg2hbgvhqcgrvtajr7um@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 19:53:47 -0700, "max headroom" wrote:
    Governor Swill  typed:
    <snip>
    When has any militia been instrumental in defending the nation?

    Civil War.

    Hm . . . 170 years ago . . .

    Be more specific, please, because as a Civil War buff, iirc the
    various southern states called up their militias to ATTACK the
    Union, not to defend it.

    The best defense is a strong offense.

    How did that work out for them, scooter?

    Long term Trump is making their offspring look like the asshats their
    foolish relatives were. Who in their right mind would open the gates of
    zoos and turn wild animals loose on an unsuspecting public?

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  • From russ@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 24 19:25:18 2025
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    On 24 Jul 2025, rudy forging Klaus Schadenfreude <karvatt@gmail.com>
    posted some news:2VtgQ.138414$Tc12.33941@fx17.iad:

    On 7/24/2025 8:31 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and lied:


    On 7/24/2025 7:49 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
    On 7/24/2025 5:36 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and
    lied:


    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kyblatt@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:cM9gQ.23653$4DJ8.14534@fx04.iad...
    On 7/23/2025 11:03 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled
    and lied:


    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kyblatt@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:M79gQ.363$N308.152@fx02.iad...
    On 7/23/2025 10:02 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled
    and lied:


    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kyblatt@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dm8gQ.766$H1Q.473@fx44.iad...
    On 7/23/2025 8:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and >>>>>>>>> gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy,
    trolled and lied:


    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kyblatt@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:UL6gQ.5539$RDB4.811@fx09.iad...
    On 7/23/2025 4:54 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper >>>>>>>>>>> and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, >>>>>>>>>>> trolled and lied:



    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <kobatt@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:68RfQ.3$Tc12.2@fx17.iad...
    On 7/22/2025 10:54 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia >>>>>>>>>>>>> camper and gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Rudy, trolled and lied:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
    news:qggv7klgo8qanphs1ikiof7ke2ipf4dlku@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2025 08:17:22 -0400, "Scout"wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 18:12:30 +0000, Mitchell Holman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    "Scout" wrote
    "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2025 18:20:38 -0700, Rudy Canoza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    I note it's time for a refresher.
    Get rid of the damn thing. Armed militias roaming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the countryside are
    not the hallmark of a civilized, peaceful nation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed.. but their ability to do so is what assures >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only that they
    have civilized, peaceful nation but a free one as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
    George Washington himself had lead
    troops against "armed militias" (Shay's
    rebellion, Whisky rebellion).
    "Arned militias" have no respect for
    democracy, much less the rule of law.
    Agreed. They're only useful if the homeland is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invaded. That's not going to happen.

    And yet it has happened. Time and time again.

    Tell us when the United States was invaded by a foreign >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power who was driven off by ordinary citizens taking up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their private arms against them.

    War of 1812 in several incidents.

    That's not "time and time again," scooter. And the militia >>>>>>>>>>>>> was *utterly* ineffective in that conflict.

    Well several times they were very effective.

    No, scooter.

    In Citizen Soldiers in the War of 1812, Skeen
    investigates militia participation at the state level and >>>>>>>>>>> its use to supplement regular
    forces. He
    also provides an overview of militia performance and
    concludes that
    these
    troops were ineffective for carrying out the war.

    They weren't there to be "carrying out the war", they were >>>>>>>>>> there to serve as the militia,

    And they were *atrocious* as a military force, scooter:
    untrained, disorganized, cut-and-run, etc.

    In some cases,

    In *all* cases, scooter.

    Ok.. Prove that

    Your concession of defeat is noted, scooter.

    You certainly

    kicked your fat flabby doughy ass. Yes, scooter I did.

    Maybe you want to abandon this thread, in which you've humiliated
    yourself, and go back to defending your idiotic view that the "5th"
    [sic] amendment is a gun control law <chortle>


    And scooter has kicked my ass again.

    So much winning. Like Trump.

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  • From russ@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 24 19:44:21 2025
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    On 24 Jul 2025, rudy forging Klaus Schadenfreude <karvatt@gmail.com>
    posted some news:xqugQ.129458$hR%a.24918@fx14.iad:

    On 7/24/2025 10:04 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and
    lied:


    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <karvatt@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:9xtgQ.5077$Twe1.861@fx48.iad...
    On 7/24/2025 8:20 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled and
    lied:


    "Klaus Schadenfreude" <karvatt@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:wKrgQ.15723$RKVc.10678@fx12.iad...
    On 7/24/2025 5:32 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
    gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, trolled
    and lied:


    "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:ue338k1dimgr0sm97i8n8u441a8boilm0o@4ax.com...
    On Wed, 23 Jul 2025 15:57:37 -0700, "max headroom"
    <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote:

    In news:105qrv5$10e05$2@dont-email.me, Scout
    <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:

    "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> wrote in message
    news:105prr0$s1k9$4@dont-email.me...
    In news:XaRfQ.4$Tc12.1@fx17.iad, "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
    <kvyatt@gmail.com> forged:
    On 7/22/2025 10:56 AM, Scout typed::
    "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <kvyatt@gmail.com> forged in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:0LNfQ.133786$FIUe.37894@fx35.iad...
    On 7/21/2025 11:54 AM, Scout typed:
    ""Cunt Flaps" Canoza <notgenx32@yahoo.com> forged in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:105m06j$2ufra$2@dont- email.me...

    There isn't any "militia" as the founders envisioned it. >>>>>>>>
    Sure there is.. just catch the start of every deer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> season.

    Nothing to do with any militia, scooter.

    Sure it does.. look at the legal requirements to be a
    member of the unorganized militia. The overwhelming bulk of >>>>>>>>>>>> them qualify.

    No, scooter. It has nothing to do with the militia, scooter. >>>>>>>>>>> Women, teenage
    boys under age 18 and adult men above age 45 all hunt deer, >>>>>>>>>>> scooter, and they are excluded by law from the unorganized >>>>>>>>>>> militia.

    By federal law... but states define their own militias.

    That was exceptionally stupid even by your appallingly low >>>>>>>>>> standards, Cunt Flaps.

    RCW 38.04.030
    Composition of the militia.
    The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all >>>>>>>>>> able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able >>>>>>>>>> bodied persons who have declared their intention to become >>>>>>>>>> citizens of the United States, residing within this state, >>>>>>>>>> who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall
    include all persons who are members of the national guard and >>>>>>>>>> the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two >>>>>>>>>> classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

    Excellent point.. lets add to it

    § 44-1. Composition of militia.
    The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of >>>>>>>>> all able- bodied
    residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of the United >>>>>>>>> States and all other able-bodied persons resident in the
    Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become
    citizens of the United States, who are at least 16
    years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more
    than 55 years of age. The militia shall be divided into three >>>>>>>>> classes: the National Guard, which includes the Army National >>>>>>>>> Guard and the Air National Guard; the Virginia Defense Force; >>>>>>>>> and the unorganized militia.

    So women count as do 16 & 17 year olds. Further any not older >>>>>>>>> than 55 unless
    exclusions apply.

    Another inconvenient truth.


    When has any militia been instrumental in defending the nation?

    Define "instrumental" the militia's involvement has occurred in
    pretty much

    That's a Category 2 scooterism: weasel words to try to create
    wiggle room. scooter means "every," without exception.

    What I say means exactly what I said.

    No, scooter. This is a well-known category of scooterism:

       "The second amendment to the constitution of the United States
    of America    would pretty much render any gun control law you
    want to be null and void."

       scooter, lying on 04/26/2023 at 12:45pm ET

    Totally accurate statement.

    No, a complete bullshit statement,

    You make a lot of those.

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