• The Deal - US Cars/Energy to Flood EU

    From c186282@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 28 01:30:56 2025
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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/27/donald-trump-meet-ursula-von-der-leyen-trade-talks-scotland/

    US cars and energy to flood Europe as Trump strikes trade deal

    . . .

    Not sure if the EU really *wants* kinda-crappy
    US autos ...........

    The 'small' ones that'll navigate UK/EU city
    streets ... well, they ARE kinda crappy. The
    USA doesn't seem able to produce quality small
    vehicles anymore ... BARELY large vehicles.

    It's all $$$ ... quality = Too Expensive.

    US *energy* ... now THAT'S far more important.

    Cutting out the RUSSIANS - which so much of
    the EU had become totally dependent upon -
    is a Big Deal.

    Trump has the "Drill Baby DRILL" philosophy and
    is facilitating that to the max. Oil and LNG.
    The USA has VAST petroleum/gas reserves. Russia
    CAN be totally cut out of the equation.

    Expect fair prices - this is Cold War v2.0 and
    Trump KNOWS it.

    "The West" NEEDS to be free of Russian/Chinese
    energy. It's been the yoke around so many necks.
    It's been our path to SLAVERY. Suck Vlad's dick
    OR ELSE.

    For a TIME at least, the USA can more than
    out-supply Russia. This interval is of great
    importance, BIG in the world power equation.

    Get another left-leaning US govt and it's
    ALL SCREWED. Act NOW ! Ink The Deals ! Make
    it all Official !

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 28 17:01:19 2025
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    On 7/28/25 01:30, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/27/donald-trump-meet- ursula-von-der-leyen-trade-talks-scotland/

    US cars and energy to flood Europe as Trump strikes trade deal

    . . .

      Not sure if the EU really *wants* kinda-crappy
      US autos ...........

    They don't, as shown by how they already can buy them if they wanted to.


      The 'small' ones that'll navigate UK/EU city
      streets ... well, they ARE kinda crappy. The
      USA doesn't seem able to produce quality small
      vehicles anymore ... BARELY large vehicles.

    In the meantime, it appears that the new 15% tariff is being expressed
    as a 'comprehensive' tariff, where the implications are that it
    supersedes all existing rates. What makes that interesting is that
    until now, EU exports of SUVs and Light Trucks were subject to the USA’s
    25% “chicken tax” (tariff). So by being 'comprehensive', the result may
    be a 25%-15% = 10% *cut* in US tariff rates on EU SUVs/LtTrucks exported
    to the US market.

    TL;DR: "Oops!", EU SUVs may become 10% cheaper in the USA.


      It's all $$$ ... quality = Too Expensive.

      US *energy* ... now THAT'S far more important.

    Not really, because the market has already baked in the planned
    increases in EU purchases of LNG from US, which is underway to replace
    Russian natural gas.

    Plus note the absence of time scale on the $750B claim. Over a decade,
    that's ~$75B/yr (hardly a "flood") which is roughly just replacing the
    Russian natural gas sales to the EU prior to Russia's 2022 invasion of
    Ukraine and when EU started shopping for alternatives.

    Plus this EU market won't be highly profitable for American suppliers
    when Russia is cut off, because there's already another competitor in
    the West: Canada. Canadian natural gas which was going to the US East
    Coast market before the US-CA tariff squabble will go east, unless the
    US is willing to pay higher natural gas prices.


      Cutting out the RUSSIANS - which so much of
      the EU had become totally dependent upon -
      is a Big Deal.

    Sure, but that's been underway for quite some time now. Long enough
    that some of the new LNG terminals are under construction and scheduled
    to open quite soon (if not already):

    <https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=54780>

    <https://www.offshore-technology.com/data-insights/top-five-upcoming-lng-regasification-terminals-in-europe/>

      Trump has the "Drill Baby DRILL" philosophy and
      is facilitating that to the max. Oil and LNG.

    But the Industry's going the other way: Baker Hughes oil rig count has
    fallen -15% to 415, down from its recent high of 489 in April 2025:

    <https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-rigs>
      The USA has VAST petroleum/gas reserves. Russia
      CAN be totally cut out of the equation.

    It can, but so far it hasn't been cut out = TACO applies, and it looks
    like the usual "2 weeks" dodge is being replaced with "oh, 10-12 days".


      Expect fair prices - this is Cold War v2.0 and
      Trump KNOWS it.

    If it was true that Trump knows that & is not actively working against
    US interests, then why hasn't Russian oil been cut off yet? Likewise,
    why did he disband the US task force targeting Russian Oligarchs for
    applying economic pressure on Russia? See:

    <https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-disbands-task-force-targeting-russian-oligarchs-2025-02-06/>


      "The West" NEEDS to be free of Russian/Chinese
      energy. It's been the yoke around so many necks.
      It's been our path to SLAVERY. Suck Vlad's dick
      OR ELSE.

    Then you should look into who was really behind Germany's "green" party
    which got their nuclear powerplants shut down, since that increased
    DEU's reliance on Russian natural gas.


      For a TIME at least, the USA can more than
      out-supply Russia. This interval is of great
      importance, BIG in the world power equation.

      Get another left-leaning US govt and it's
      ALL SCREWED. Act NOW ! Ink The Deals ! Make
      it all Official !
    FYI, it was a "left-leaning" US government which initiated the 'Asia
    Pivot' to address China's expansionist activities.

    And despite all of the so-called "deals" on tariffs from Trump, try to
    find one where the agreement has actually been inked so that we can all
    go read it. Case in point:

    "Cracks widen in Japan and US’s interpretation of tariff trade deal

    Tokyo officials contest Washington’s claim that American investors
    assured of vast share of profits from joint investment"

    <https://www.ft.com/content/c1183b13-9135-41f6-9206-7b52af66f0a5>

    -hh

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  • From pothead@21:1/5 to -hh on Mon Jul 28 21:40:40 2025
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    On 2025-07-28, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    On 7/28/25 01:30, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/27/donald-trump-meet-
    ursula-von-der-leyen-trade-talks-scotland/

    US cars and energy to flood Europe as Trump strikes trade deal

    . . .

      Not sure if the EU really *wants* kinda-crappy
      US autos ...........

    They don't, as shown by how they already can buy them if they wanted to.

    Tax on a Mustang, which has a cult like following in EU can go as
    high as 35% overall.
    Either way, EU is a different can of worms except for maybe Germany
    which has it's fair share of exotics.

    They have plenty of fine cars and enthusiasts aside prefer smaller
    cars due to conditions.

    Things are different.

    Last time I was in Germany, the taxi that took me to the hotel
    was a Mercedes.

    Middle East loves big American cars.
    Of course some countries use exotics as police vehicles.

    These are different markets.




      The 'small' ones that'll navigate UK/EU city
      streets ... well, they ARE kinda crappy. The
      USA doesn't seem able to produce quality small
      vehicles anymore ... BARELY large vehicles.

    In the meantime, it appears that the new 15% tariff is being expressed
    as a 'comprehensive' tariff, where the implications are that it
    supersedes all existing rates. What makes that interesting is that
    until now, EU exports of SUVs and Light Trucks were subject to the USA’s 25% “chicken tax” (tariff). So by being 'comprehensive', the result may be a 25%-15% = 10% *cut* in US tariff rates on EU SUVs/LtTrucks exported
    to the US market.

    TL;DR: "Oops!", EU SUVs may become 10% cheaper in the USA.

    Let's see how it plays out in real life.
    Some of Trump's plans were predicted by the experts to destroy
    the US economy and nothing of the sort has happened so far.

    Not everything can be measured by some metric.

    Snip----


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  • From c186282@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Jul 28 20:56:43 2025
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    On 7/28/25 5:40 PM, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-07-28, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    On 7/28/25 01:30, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/27/donald-trump-meet-
    ursula-von-der-leyen-trade-talks-scotland/

    US cars and energy to flood Europe as Trump strikes trade deal

    . . .

      Not sure if the EU really *wants* kinda-crappy
      US autos ...........

    They don't, as shown by how they already can buy them if they wanted to.

    Tax on a Mustang, which has a cult like following in EU can go as
    high as 35% overall.
    Either way, EU is a different can of worms except for maybe Germany
    which has it's fair share of exotics.

    They have plenty of fine cars and enthusiasts aside prefer smaller
    cars due to conditions.

    Things are different.

    Last time I was in Germany, the taxi that took me to the hotel
    was a Mercedes.

    Middle East loves big American cars.
    Of course some countries use exotics as police vehicles.

    These are different markets.




      The 'small' ones that'll navigate UK/EU city
      streets ... well, they ARE kinda crappy. The
      USA doesn't seem able to produce quality small
      vehicles anymore ... BARELY large vehicles.

    In the meantime, it appears that the new 15% tariff is being expressed
    as a 'comprehensive' tariff, where the implications are that it
    supersedes all existing rates. What makes that interesting is that
    until now, EU exports of SUVs and Light Trucks were subject to the USA’s >> 25% “chicken tax” (tariff). So by being 'comprehensive', the result may >> be a 25%-15% = 10% *cut* in US tariff rates on EU SUVs/LtTrucks exported
    to the US market.

    TL;DR: "Oops!", EU SUVs may become 10% cheaper in the USA.

    Let's see how it plays out in real life.
    Some of Trump's plans were predicted by the experts to destroy
    the US economy and nothing of the sort has happened so far.

    Not everything can be measured by some metric.

    Snip----

    I pref the Italian styles - Lambo, Ferrari ...
    but I'll probably buy a used Corolla when my
    current ancient ride can't be fixed anymore.

    But yea, tastes and needs vary across the world.
    Except maybe a few 'iconics' like the Mustang
    (Trans-Am ?) I just don't see Euros buying lots
    of American cars.

    And hell, for older Euro cities, a Mini Cooper
    is "right sized". Maybe a few makers can re-introduce
    some "classics" in close to original specs ... Citroen 2cv,
    maybe a proper Beetle ? DO fasten down the VW seats a bit
    better, know TWO people who got broken necks from being
    rear-ended - one died - both cases the front bolts on the
    seat stripped out of the floor and let 'em smack hard
    back against the edge of the rear seat.

    The air-cooled engines were nice ... not sure why
    nobody does air-cooled anymore - no corrosion.
    The old Corvair turbo 6 was pretty strong.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 28 17:42:38 2025
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    On 2025-07-27 22:30, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/27/donald-trump-meet- ursula-von-der-leyen-trade-talks-scotland/

    US cars and energy to flood Europe as Trump strikes trade deal

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to pothead on Mon Jul 28 18:50:36 2025
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    On 2025-07-28 14:40, pothead wrote:
    On 2025-07-28, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
    On 7/28/25 01:30, c186282 wrote:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/27/donald-trump-
    meet- ursula-von-der-leyen-trade-talks-scotland/

    US cars and energy to flood Europe as Trump strikes trade deal

    . . .

    Not sure if the EU really *wants* kinda-crappy US
    autos ...........

    They don't, as shown by how they already can buy them if they
    wanted to.

    Tax on a Mustang, which has a cult like following in EU can go as
    high as 35% overall. Either way, EU is a different can of worms
    except for maybe Germany which has it's fair share of exotics.

    "cult like following"?

    The MODERN Mustang?

    Please.


    They have plenty of fine cars and enthusiasts aside prefer smaller
    cars due to conditions.

    Things are different.

    Last time I was in Germany, the taxi that took me to the hotel was a Mercedes.

    Middle East loves big American cars. Of course some countries use
    exotics as police vehicles.

    Ummmmmm... ...no. They do NOT.


    These are different markets.




    The 'small' ones that'll navigate UK/EU city streets ... well,
    they ARE kinda crappy. The USA doesn't seem able to produce
    quality small vehicles anymore ... BARELY large vehicles.

    In the meantime, it appears that the new 15% tariff is being
    expressed as a 'comprehensive' tariff, where the implications are
    that it supersedes all existing rates. What makes that
    interesting is that until now, EU exports of SUVs and Light Trucks
    were subject to the USA’s 25% “chicken tax” (tariff). So by being
    'comprehensive', the result may be a 25%-15% = 10% *cut* in US
    tariff rates on EU SUVs/LtTrucks exported to the US market.

    TL;DR: "Oops!", EU SUVs may become 10% cheaper in the USA.

    Let's see how it plays out in real life. Some of Trump's plans were
    predicted by the experts to destroy the US economy and nothing of
    the sort has happened so far.

    How long has it been?


    Not everything can be measured by some metric.
    Actually, pretty much EVERYTHING of importance can be measured by some
    metric.

    That is literally what "metric" means.

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